This is interesting. A rare case indeed, where the person criticising the gift actually does speak in tongues.



Because most of those who criticise it or say it isn't necessary do not speak with tongues.

jesusjnr:


Therefore I waited for the Wind and wasn't really bothered or ashamed that most people around me in the church were "speaking in tongues" because I knew that it was more less false tongues. But even on the rare occasion when it was genuine, I knew that if that person could be given the utterance of the Spirit of God so could I!

And though it tarried for a while, the wind finally came. And when it came it with an unusual force, as if it was trying to make up for lost time.

And today the extent of the force of the wind I feel within me is such that I can speak in tongues from morning to night without and hundred percent with the utterance of the Holy Spirit.

And also His utterances were not just mysteries to me but also what I can understand even as it was in the first church, such as, Hosanna, Gaskiya(Truth in Hausa), Lazarus, Glorious, Chukwu(God in Igbo), Holy Ghost power etc.,

And the beauty of it is in the fact that I'm not the one saying those words but the Holy Spirit Himself via my voice. And the latest addition to my list of tongues in that respect which I can understand is Hallelujah, and that is one that i have yet gotten over as it still amazes me as we speak.

And apart from that there are other ways which he expresses Himself through my voice and body that I've never seen or heard of anyone of the church of recent time. And though it's yet behind the veil, the force and intensity of His expression gives me the impression that when He's ready to unveil me that it wouldn't be any less what was obtainable when the church first began, at least considering the similarity in both of our spoken tongues.

But that's what I would have missed out on had I not decided to wait, and not settle for what was obtainable in today's church, but that which was at the first when the church began, when they waited for the Wind and allowed the Wind to do His job.

The present day church has really lost it in terms of the purpose for which the church was founded, and hence it has a lot to learn from that church that Jesus built upon His words.

And this is one of the areas it needs to learn from that church, even to wait for the utterance of the Spirit of God, so that instead of having the present situation where about ninety nine percent of all the tongues being spoken in the church are without the utterance of the Spirit of God, it can come much closer to the level of the first church where it was done hundred percent with the utterance of the Spirit of God.

So in a nutshell the whole message is that today's church Waits for Wind.

#SonofIssachar

So only your own is genuine? Do away with that pride brother.

The wind blew on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost came. He didn't go back to heaven ever since, so why wait?

What is required is readiness and hunger of the heart to receive Him by faith.

And there are tongues of men and tongues of angels. Do not confuse the two.

That's not to say one cannot supernatural receive ability to speak in a human language he never learned. I've heard from people who have experienced such.

If a donkey could speak in the bible, why not man?

Trizyd:


I only have an argument with the statement above, if you are implying that Paul wasn't with the disciples, and speaking in an unknown tongue is an error, the you are simply saying the Bible lied to us in some areas and we are not to even believe what Paul said in God's word(Bible). If I'm mistaken, please explain more on the statement I quoted above.

My point with respect to speaking in tongues is that it could be known or unknown, because the Spirit of God who is supposed to gives the utterance can do both.

So it's wrong for speaking in tongues to be observed as speaking in unknown tongues for that is tantamount to putting the Holy Spirit who ought to give the utterance in a box and trying to dictate to Him what to do.

It's His job, so let Him decide whatever kind of utterance He so desires to give, for it would always be spiritually relevant. So let us focus on our own part which is to give Him a conducive and suitable environment for Him to do His job which He alone can do.

As for the Bible which seems to be an obligation to you as it is to most of the church who view every word in it as the Word of God, I do not share such views, for I believe that there is also the word of men inside.

Therefore I'm not under any obligation to such words which don't live up to the standard of the Word of the kingdom of God which Jesus brought to us, for that is the standard of my walk with God and also what I believe ought to be the standard of the church.

So if the Bible is your standard as it is to most of the church, then that is expected. But mine is the teaching of Jesus and every other word that matches up to that standard.

So I can disagree with any such occasion even though it is in the Bible, for I'm not under obligation to the Bible but to Jesus.

donnie:
This is interesting. A rare case indeed, where the person criticising the gift actually does speak in tongues.



Because most of those who criticise it or say it isn't necessary do not speak with tongues.

Maybe you know those who criticize the gift, but you're highly mistaken to include me in that list.

You should know a thing or two about originals and fake, a gift is not fake but original.

And I think it's high time the fake tongues left the church because it profits nothing.

jesusjnr:
My point with respect to speaking in tongues is that it could be known or unknown, because the Spirit of God who is supposed to gives the utterance can do both.

So it's wrong for speaking in tongues to be observed as speaking in unknown tongues for that is tantamount to putting the Holy Spirit who ought to give the utterance in a box and trying to dictate to Him what to do.

It's His job, so let Him decide whatever kind of utterance He so desires to give, for it would always be spiritually relevant. So let us focus on our own part which is to give Him a conducive and suitable environment for Him to do His job which He alone can do.

As for the Bible which seems to be an obligation to you as it is to most of the church who view every word in it as the Word of God, I do not share such views, for I believe that there is also the word of men inside.

Therefore I'm not under any obligation to such words which don't live up to the standard of the Word of the kingdom of God which Jesus brought to us, for that is the standard of my walk with God and also what I believe ought to be the standard of the church.

So if the Bible is your standard as it is to most of the church, then that is expected. But mine is the teaching of Jesus and every other word that matches up to that standard.

So I can disagree with any such occasion even though it is in the Bible, for I'm not under obligation to the Bible but to Jesus.

Thanks, I fully understand you now

donnie:


So only your own is genuine? Do away with that pride brother.

Pride, really? The last thing the Holy Spirit can condone at this level?
Certainly not! For i never said all were fake, for 99% is not 100%.

Which means I believe that there are definitely genuine tongues in the church, only that they are so few compared to the false ones!

donnie:
The wind blew on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost came. He didn't go back to heaven ever since, so why wait?

You asked the question why wait, but you couldn't even wait for me to give you an answer myself as you virtually answered the question yourself:

donnie:
What is required is readiness and hunger of the heart to receive Him by faith.

donnie:
And there are tongues of men and tongues of angels. Do not confuse the two.

Maybe you are speaking in fake tongues here because this is an absolute fabrication of yours!

donnie:
That's not to say one cannot supernatural receive ability to speak in a human language he never learned. I've heard from people who have experienced such.

If a donkey could speak in the bible, why not man?

It was a norm in the beginning for all living creatures to communicate vocally with each other, but this was one of the abilities that was lost as a consequence of man's disobedience.

And that donkey didn't on it's own just develop the unusual ability to speak as it did on that occasion, for it was said that God opened its mouth, and hence the donkey was able to do that which it was able to do in the beginning.

So why not wait for God to open your mouth as He did with the donkey, and also those of the first church in the respect of tongues, so that He can give you the ability to do what you cannot do on your own, such as to speak the one language as man was able to do in the beginning, even the ability that God gave to those of the first church who waited for the wind?

Last, last, na your call.

jesusjnr:
Pride, really? The last thing the Holy Spirit can condone?

So do away with it Asap

jesusjnr:
Maybe you are speaking in fake tongues here because this is an absolute fabrication of yours!

Do I blame you? Ignorance is your problem.

1Cor 13:1
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ..."

jesusjnr:
So why not wait for God to open your mouth as He did with the donkey, and also those of the first church in the respect of tongues, so that He can give you the ability to do what you cannot do on your own such what man were able to do in the beginning when there was one language, even as He gave to those of the first church?

Last, last, na your call.

The donkey spoke tongues of men on that occasion. When we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels.

Besides, we are not donkeys; we're the seed of Abraham to whom have been given all things.

The Lord said, " ...open your mouth wide, and I will fill it. Psalms 81:10

We obeyed and he filled our mouths with heavenly tongues. Hallelujah! And that's a miracle.

It doesn't have to be spectacular to be supernatural. It doesn't have to delay. God is more willing to give than we're willing to receive.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

donnie:


So do away with it Asap




Do I blame you? Ignorance is your problem.

1Cor 13:1
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ..."

So why not wait for God to open your mouth as He did with the donkey, and also those of the first church in the respect of tongues, so that He can give you the ability to do what you cannot do on your own such what man were able to do in the beginning when there was one language, even as He gave to those of the first church?

Last, last, na your call.

The donkey spoke tongues of men. When we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels.

Besides, we are not donkeys; we're the seed of Abraham to whom have been given all things.

The Lord said, " ...open your mouth wide, and I will fill it. Psalms 81:10

We obeyed and he filled our mouths with heavenly tongues. Hallelujah! And that's a miracle.

It doesn't have to be spectacular to be supernatural. It doesn't have to delay. God is more willing to give than we're willing to receive.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Keep up with the deceit! That's why you'll never be like the first church. Of course you are very right to say that ignorance is my problem, because that's something I have in common with those of the first church:

"In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, r and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."Luke 10:21 (KJV)

So it's obvious the church needs ignoramuses like myself that God has reveal such things to, not the wise and the prudent like yourself who He has hidden it from, that would be satisfied with lying in tongues because they are not willing to wait for the wind.

Enjoy with your spiritually empty knowledge liar!

jesusjnr:
Keep up with the deceit! That's why you'll never be like the first church. Of course you are very right to say that ignorance is my problem, because that's something I have in common with those of the first church:

"In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, r and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."Luke 10:21 (KJV)

So it's obvious the church needs ignoramuses like myself that God has reveal such things to, not the wise and the prudent like yourself who He has hidden it from, that would be satisfied with lying in tongues because they are not willing to wait for the wind.

Enjoy with your spiritually empty knowledge liar!

Cry cry baby...

Don't you have any more scriptural backing for your theology?

donnie:


Cry cry baby...

Don't you have any more scriptural backing for your theology?

For you to be satisfied with the spiritual level of the present day church which is also reflected the extent of falsehood of spoken tongues, exposes you as one of those responsible for its loss of savor.

But don't worry just a little while and all imposters as yourself who the devil has planted in my Master's church shall be uprooted.

The ground work has only just started.

Watch this space!

jesusjnr:
For you to be satisfied with the spiritual level of the present day church which is also reflected the extent of falsehood of spoken tongues, exposes you as one of those responsible for its loss of savor.

But don't worry just a little while and all imposters as yourself who the devil has planted in my Master's church shall be uprooted.

The ground work has only just started.

Watch this space!

From where did you deduce the bolded?
Is tongues now a measure of spirituality of the Church?
Of course it is a great gift and necessary for every Christian who will live a powerful and effective Christian life. But it is not a measure of spiritual maturity.

So rather than insult me for showing you the truth, why don't you start by repenting of your pride; then we can talk about spiritual growth.

donnie:


From where did you deduce the bolded?
Is tongues now a measure of spirituality of the Church?
Of course it is a great gift and necessary for every Christian who will live a powerful and effective Christian life. But it is not a measure of spiritual maturity.

So rather than insult me for showing you the truth, why don't you start by repenting of your pride; then we can talk about spiritual growth.

Certainly! for if you didn't know before now at least you've learnt something spiritually valuable from the ignorant!

The quality of tongues is a criteria to measure the quality of a church. For instance the tongues of the first church was of the highest spiritual quality, hence it is not a coincidence that, that same church is generally regarded as the model church for subsequent versions, inclusive of this one, for the spiritual quality of the church was at it highest level ever.

And today you have the tongues of the lowest spiritual quality, therefore it's not by accident that this is the most savorless church ever, and the lowest in terms spiritual quality.

So quality of tongues can also serve as a basis to gauge the spiritual level of the church, as well as other basis such as extent of sacrifice, the Word level which also determines the level of obedience, righteousness, and also the extent of works and other manifestations of the spirit.

With respect your allegation of pride, it seems you didn't understand my speech earlier that no pride is not allowed here at my spiritual level, for the minimum requirement to be able to get here where I am is that one must have denied himself.

So maybe when you speak of pride you should take a good look at yourself, because I don't think you can comfortably say that you have denied yourself, taken up your cross and followed Jesus, because if so then you would have better understood my language.

So humble yourself and become as a little child first, otherwise you no go fit see out back, for no be by claiming imaginary right, because when it comes to the things of the spirit, if you no get am, you no get am.

jesusjnr:
Certainly! for if you didn't know before now at least you've learnt something spiritually valuable from the ignorant!

The quality of tongues is a criteria to measure the quality of a church. For instance the tongues of the first church was of the highest spiritual quality, hence it is not a coincidence that, that same church is generally regarded as the model church for subsequent versions, inclusive of this one, for the spiritual quality of the church was at it highest level ever.

And today you have the tongues of the lowest spiritual quality, therefore it's not by accident that this is the most savorless church ever, and the lowest in terms spiritual quality.

So quality of tongues can also serve as a basis to gauge the spiritual level of the church, as well as other basis such as extent of sacrifice, the Word level which also determines the level of obedience, righteousness, and also the extent of works and other manifestations of the spirit.

With respect your allegation of pride, it seems you didn't understand my speech earlier that no pride is not allowed here at my spiritual level, for the minimum requirement to be able to get here where I am is that one must have denied himself.

So maybe when you speak of pride you should take a good look at yourself, because I don't think you can comfortably say that you have denied yourself, taken up your cross and followed Jesus, because if so then you would have better understood my language.

So humble yourself and become as a little child first, otherwise you no go fit see out back, for no be by claiming imaginary right, because when it comes to the things of the spirit, if you no get am, you no get am.

You think you speak in tongues more than the Corinthian church? The Corinthians were full of spiritual gifts, yet they were carnal. Spiritual gifts are never the measure of spirituality. See how Paul addressed the Corinthian church...

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

You think you know bible?

It's no use replying you further; my mission has been accomplished. From the conversation we've had so far, the truth is clear for all to see. Only those who like to be misled will be misled.

NOTE: I didn't engage you on this thread with hope that you'll correct yourself after seeing glaring truth. I know your kind.

Good bye.

donnie:


You think you speak in tongues more than the Corinthian church? They Corinthian brethren were full of spiritual gifts, yet they were carnal. Spiritual gifts are never the measure of spirituality. See how Paul addressed the Corinthian church...

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

You think you know bible?

It's no use replying you further; my mission has been accomplished. From the conversation we've had so far, the truth is clear for all to see. Only those who like to be misled will be misled.

NOTE: I didn't engage you on this thread with hope that you'll correct yourself after seeing glaring truth. I know your kind.

Good bye.

Your spiritual ignorance knows no limits. I truly feel for you because you you think you know, buy the fact that you have not been able to discern the truth concerning me despite the lengthy conversations, establishes the fact that you are spiritually blind, and are lacking knowledge of the kingdom of God.

You remind me of the Pharisees who were concerned about John the baptist and Jesus, and thought that they were the ones on the wrong path because they brought the truth of their falsehood to light, but as Jesus said, "wisdom is justified of her children".

You are concerned about someone who well respected in heaven and in hell, and also among little children who have more spiritual pedigree than the likes of you adults.

You think I'm being misled? Corinthian church? My level is the level of the first church, which was before even the conversion of Paul, whose spiritual quality has not been matched because it was founded by Jesus upon the His Words which is the greatest ever treasure on earth and also the most solid foundation that any church can be founded upon, for those are the same Words that produced me.

So please leave me the way I am, except you want me to become spiritually Insignificant as your words have exposed you to be.

Maybe you are one of those that is being deceived by men's positive view of you which had misled to think that same also applies in heaven, but you should know that, "that which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God"(Lk 16:15)

So keep living in your deception like Satan, who dreads my spiritual quality, would have you do!

Good riddance!

donnie:
So do away with it Asap

Do I blame you? Ignorance is your problem.

1Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ..."

The donkey spoke tongues of men on that occasion.
When we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels.
Besides, we are not donkeys; we're the seed of Abraham to whom have been given all things.

The Lord said, " ...open your mouth wide, and I will fill it. Psalms 81:10

We obeyed and he filled our mouths with heavenly tongues. Hallelujah! And that's a miracle.

It doesn't have to be spectacular to be supernatural. It doesn't have to delay. God is more willing to give than we're willing to receive.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

donnie & jesusjnr, come now, and let us reason together
1/ Are you saying when we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels?
2/ If yes, where and how did you get this pretty wrong idea from?
3/ To what purpose, and/or what's the reason for the need of speaking tongues of angels ?
4/ Why do tongues of angels have to be audible?
5/ Why have angels always communicated to man in human languages and never in tongues of angels?

Say no to fake tongues!

Jesusjnr and Donnie, You both sound like lawyers in a court-Plaintiff and Defense counsel arguing out a case. There will be no winner in this argument.

You see only what you want to see. Open your minds.

Do you have a personal revelation?

Enough is enough for the fake tongues in the church!

All we are saying, no more fake tongues!

Flee from fake tongues!

Don't do fake tongues, wait for the real one!

OP God bless you. This topic has been a source of headache for me and an embarrassment as well. How can a fellow man teach another how to speak in tongues when that fellow is not even genuinely born again?. The truth will always prevail.

Tongues are for the glory of God, and must therefore be directed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. Pretense can't add any value to the church.

Thank you broda, you know how far.

I know the Truth hurts a times but only the Truth can set people free.

So we gats do our job men even though we may be very few and hence see ourselves swimming against the tide.

For very few with God is majority!

JesusJnr, please explain what these verses means.

1 Corinthians 14:2 [b]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[\b]


1Cor 14:14 For [b]if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful[\b].


Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings [b]which cannot be uttered.[\b]

Hier:
JesusJnr, please explain what these verses means.

1 Corinthians 14:2 [b]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[\b]


1Cor 14:14 For [b]if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful[\b].


Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings [b]which cannot be uttered.[\b]

This is Apostle Paul opinion about speaking in tongues, so i'd give my own opinion about his opinion in this respect.

Now this opinion of Paul concerning tongues is more or less responsible for the general misconception about tongues in church, and hence the consequent extent of false tongues In the church.

And I am going to address that in my thread with respect to the many mistakes of Apostle later on, but I would still say a thing or two here concerning that.

I have seen your comments in your thread about the church in the acts of apostles, so now may I ask which particular church were you talking about, if not this one?

"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1(KJV)

Now do you know what a standard is?

If yes, have you ever heard of any other church any other time in history, where such a thing ever happened, where all the people in the same church, at the same time, heard a sound as of a rushing mighty wind, and also saw visible cloven tongues as that of fire sitting on every one of them?

I guess never, so what else should that tell you, but that, what happened right there was the Holy Spirit in the fullness of His presence.

For you can also remember what happened with Jesus after His baptism right? the presence of the Holy Spirit was also visible, so that should already let you know that it was the same measure of the Spirit of God which was upon Jesus that came upon that very church.

You should know where this is taking us to right? Yes, it is the spoken tongues, for if it was the Holy Spirit in the fullness of His presence, then it should also apply to the tongues that were spoken on that occasion, for those tongues were tongues of the highest grade.

And yet the tongues were understandable by the persons who were present there, so if someone who wasn't there when this happened now comes and tells you that speaking in tongues means speaking mysteries and in unknown tongues, why should you believe the person even though he's an apostle of Jesus as Paul?

I don't know if you went thru my first post before asking me to explain this sayings of Paul, because you should have know that I don't see tongues as unknown or known, but that I see it as the utterance of the Holy Spirit who can do both.

So my point is that the Holy Spirit has the exclusive right to decide which utterance He wants to give, for He knows far better than we could ever do, and has far more ability than we could ever have, as He showed on the occasion of the first tongues.

So why don't we just trust Him with our vessels, so that He could do whatever He likes, wants, and decides to do with it, as those of that first church did?

Bro, see, let me be frank with you, if we don't do that, then your dream of today's church being as that of the church of the acts of the apostles would only remain a pipe dream.

Presence would never help the church.

Lies, lies, and more lies.

jesusjnr:
"Virtually" was another option but I chose to go with "about 99%" which meant just about the same thing, because it was closer to what I had in mind, as virtually sounded like 99.9%.

You are quoting Paul who wasn't there when the first tongues were spoken. Maybe that's where you get the erroneous idea that speaking in tongues mean speaking in an unknown tongue.

Because by the first fruits of spoken tongues in the church, it was not in unknown tongues to the people present there.

It is the Holy Spirit that ought to give the utterance for tongues and the Holy Spirit can speak every language inclusive of that of the person via which He's speaking. So why not let the Holy Spirit decide what He wants to do with His utterances as He did there, or do you intend to put Him in a box?

Are you trying to suggest that the disciples were already speaking in tongues as is common with this of today's church before the coming of the Spirit and when He gave them utterance?

Hope not because that's not waiting but lying, and usurping the exclusive prerogative of the Holy Spirit. Waiting means praying in truth, fasting and obedience of the Word of the Kingdom of God in the meantime. But it seems you don't want to wait for the Spirit of God do you?

And you would rather start doing what you call praying in the Spirit by speaking in tongues with conscious effort which is also known as lies!

And the Spirit of God is not the Spirit of lies but the Spirit of Truth. So for you to truly pray in the Spirit, you must also pray in Truth.

Your parameter is vague, null and void. Your analysis are emotional

asuustrike1:

Your parameter is vague, null and void. Your analysis are emotional

Oh boy your shallowness precedes you. Wow you really ooze spiritual mediocrity, and you make it even more pronounced and obvious with your such reactions and speech.

Tufiakwa!

jesusjnr:
Oh boy your shallowness precedes you. Wow you really ooze spiritual mediocrity, and you make it even more pronounced and obvious with your such reactions and speech.

Tufiakwa!

You are foolish because you know nothing. You are still a baby that knows nothing about life

asuustrike1:

You are foolish because you know nothing. You are still a baby that knows nothing about life

I don't blame you because you think wood can sharpen iron.

Don't upgrade spiritually first, and think that you would be able to understand my spiritual language at your mediocre level.

Mr Lukewarm look for your type!

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