ChrisKels:


I guess na tbaba1234 bring Rooney come to buttress a point that at a young age one can still shun youth tourneys for the major ones. But that "xplosion" na u bring am come when u said Rooney xploded at the Euros and not Everton.

Please stop the dribbles, answer this simple question; On what basis did Rooney make the Euros at such a young age? U know he had to stand on something to make the Euros that birthed his supposed xplosion

Double post

sheyishemba:
In my own opinion i think chukweiser should go to AFCON coz he'll be great addition as we know that kalu has sealed the position he can come on at the second half to make impact I've never seen chukweiser as a winger but a supporting striker we can play a 4 3 3 formation in the first half but second half they can switch to 4 4 2 bringing ighalo out onyekuru and chukweiser for iwobi(cox he'd have been tired )it'll be like


musa. chukweiser

onyekuru mikel. ndidi. kalu


so without an iota of biasness and prejudices chukweiser should go to AFCON
#chukweiser TO AFCON

Chukwe what did u call him?

Well, I know where that came from: Chile 2015 U17 commentator.

Mickael2:


How many goals in LA Liga? I am sure if Rooney was playing the Europa league against the likes of Rapid Vienna he would have helped himself to a few more goals. But let us look at this impact wise;
Barcelona----> 0 goals and 0 assists.
Real Madrid----> 1 assist
Atletico Madrid----> Record not found, not even sure he played but I will have to check again.
Sevilla----> Ehm,
Valencia----> Let's just end it here.

This is not to diminish his achievements at all, I mean scoring against Rapid Vienna and the likes in the Europa league is a big achievement on it's own but do not compare that with Rooney at all at all. Just my point sha

Stop the shenanigans oga. Even the greatest Messi didn't score against any of those teams u mentioned in his first full season as a pro so why should Samuel's case be different? I am not arguing ur point but abeg use another analogy because this one won't fly. Let us just enjoy the good football he is playing. Just because u don't want to hype him doesn't not mean u have to belittle his accomplishments.

ChrisKels:


U said it urself, Dat Rooney xploded at the Euros, den we asked u how he made it to the Euros at such a young age, buh u dodged the question

Nobody ever said Chuks's explosion rests on the Afcon as Rooney's did on the Euros. Abi u get something to back it up?

By the balls, we hold u today

Bros that "explosion" didn't start from me. Go check again

BascoVanVeli:



Stop the shenanigans oga. Even the greatest Messi didn't score against any of those teams u mentioned in his first full season as a pro so why should Samuel's case be different? I am not arguing ur point but abeg use another analogy because this one won't fly. Let us just enjoy the good football he is playing. Just because u don't want to hype him doesn't not mean u have to belittle his accomplishments.

You are making my point for me actually. (By the way Messi scored a hattrick in his first El Classico but let me go with what you just said) Messi's first full season was practically 2004/2005 and yet he attended the U20 World Cup, he wasn't too big for it. As a matter of fact he barely made the bench at the 2006 World Cup at which time he was already the next best thing after sliced bread.

By the way I have never ever mentioned the calibre of teams he scored against because it never really mattered to me, this is a matter of context, we are comparing his early years to that of Rooney so I am trying to be as objective as possible that does not mean I am belittling his achievements it means I am pointing out that Rooney has an edge there.

I hope folks here are aware that Chuks has the right to decide if he would play at the world cup or AFCON?

Danielnino00:
I hope folks here are aware that Chuks has the right to decide if he would play at the world cup or AFCON?

No he doesn't, the coaches decide. The NFF also decides.

Mickael2:


How many goals in LA Liga? I am sure if Rooney was playing the Europa league against the likes of Rapid Vienna he would have helped himself to a few more goals. But let us look at this impact wise;
Barcelona----> 0 goals and 0 assists.
Real Madrid----> 1 assist
Atletico Madrid----> Record not found, not even sure he played but I will have to check again.
Sevilla----> Ehm,
Valencia----> Let's just end it here.

This is not to diminish his achievements at all, I mean scoring against Rapid Vienna and the likes in the Europa league is a big achievement on it's own but do not compare that with Rooney at all at all. Just my point sha

U aint trynna make him look poor, really? Alryt, could u please help us with Rooney's? Were his, then, against the likes of Man U and the other top four teams in the premier League?

with the kind of coach we have in SE,I suggests Samuel should snub AFCON and play the U-20 tournament.
with the U-20, he is guaranteed a starting shirt but with the SE @ AFCON , I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get a single minute.

Icon4s:


Bros that "explosion" didn't start from me. Go check again

Big bro biko hapu m aka. Simple question wey I ask u, u just circumvented it and have been rigmarolling ever since.

Airport and hote better pass this one. No fact checker this time around. Should Chukweiser go to AFCON or U20? Make I ask una this one first, Nigeria don qualify for U20 WC yet?

ChrisKels:


U aint trynna make him look poor, really? Alryt, could u please help us with Rooney's? Were his, then, against the likes of Man U and the other top four teams in the premier League?

First of all, please please please I am not trying to make him look poor not by any stretch of the imagination, I mean Iheanacho couldn't score against Newport County, Success couldn't score against...whatever the name of that team is, I can go on. So scoring a goal, regardless of the team is an achievement so no, I am not saying it is poor but this is strictly in comparison to Rooney's debut season and why he was easily noticed. I hope I have enlightened you now.

Rooney scored against Arsenal twice (second placed team), Newcastle (third placed team) and Blackburn(6th placed team). He also scored against Leeds and I am sure you know Leeds used to be among the elite then and Aston Villa. So there you go

Joebie:
Airport and hote better pass this one. No fact checker this time around. Should Chukweiser go to AFCON or U20? Make I ask una this one first, Nigeria don qualify for U20 WC yet?

With our 50year olds, it should be easy.

ChrisKels:


Big bro biko hapu m aka. Simple question wey I ask u, u just circumvented it and has been rigmarolling.

You want to compare Rooney's early career with that of Chukwueze?

See if you didn't watch the young Rooney play don't let those stats deceive you. They don't tell the full story.

Mickael2:


First of all, please please please I am not trying to make him look poor not by any stretch of the imagination, I mean Iheanacho couldn't score against Newport County, Success couldn't score against...whatever the name of that team is, I can go on. So scoring a goal, regardless of the team is an achievement so no, I am not saying it is poor but this is strictly in comparison to Rooney's debut season and why he was easily noticed. I hope I have enlightened you now.

Rooney scored against Arsenal twice (second placed team), Newcastle (third placed team) and Blackburn(6th placed team). He also scored against Leeds and I am sure you know Leeds used to be among the elite then and Aston Villa. So there you go

If scoring against the top teams is now the yardstick, then a player like Iheanacho should be knighted by the queen already.

Chuks did/does his thing as a winger for a shitty team, Rooney had a paradise behind him, plus Rooney was a striker.

We never reach that bridge. 50 year old or not.

Mickael2:


With our 50year olds, it should be easy.

ChrisKels:


If scoring against the top teams is now the yardstick, then a player like Iheanacho should be knighted by the queen already.

Chuks did/does his thing as a winger for a shitty team, Rooney had a paradise behind him, plus Rooney was a striker.

Keep in mind the comparison is still early careers. Yes Iheanacho had a scintillating early career better than what Chukwueze is having.

Chukwueze's current game level is not at that level that you will be comparing him with Rooney of 2002-2004. So because Rooney was exempted from the U20 we must exempt Chukwueze? Isn't that your line of argument?

Mickael2:


You are making my point for me actually. (By the way Messi scored a hattrick in his first El Classico but let me go with what you just said) Messi's first full season was practically 2004/2005 and yet he attended the U20 World Cup, he wasn't too big for it. As a matter of fact he barely made the bench at the 2006 World Cup at which time he was already the next best thing after sliced bread.

By the way I have never ever mentioned the calibre of teams he scored against because it never really mattered to me, this is a matter of context, we are comparing his early years to that of Rooney so I am trying to be as objective as possible that does not mean I am belittling his achievements it means I am pointing out that Rooney has an edge there.

Messi got an assist in his first el clasico the treble came in his third el clasico in the 06/07 season. Like I said I am not against what u are getting at but u of all people should know how tough La Liga is right now.

Rooney wasn't scoring on all the big teams either. The fact is that Samuel is not Rooney or Messi so we shouldn't hold him to their yardstick. We need to give this boy what is best for him and what can best help him to be the best he can be. All I know is that elite level players make their own rules.

mostob:
with the kind of coach we have in SE,I suggests Samuel should snub AFCON and play the U-20 tournament.
with the U-20, he is guaranteed a starting shirt but with the SE @ AFCON , I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get a single minute.

The thing is he is more likely to be part of the AFCON because the Laliga season is closing a day after the commencement of the WYC. That means he may only join the Eagles camp.

Icon4s:


You want to compare Rooney's early career with that of Chukwueze?

See if you didn't watch the young Rooney play don't let those stats deceive you. They don't tell the full story.

Ok, no wahala. Yes stats be like mini shirt, it doesn’t show everything, buh at the long run, stats count a lot. Records remember stats more than everything, hence generations to come, would look up stats to rate players they never saw play. Stat wise, some guys in here are already under rating Kanu despite his exploits. Stat wise, Chuks beats Rooney. Yes Rooney had that artistic movement and was cerebral as a striker buh Chuks has also shown he aint no slouch. And, with what I have seen of Chuks, he is the best Nigerian forward in Europe, so far this season, hence taking him to the Afcon is a no brainer.

komekn:


All this season❓

So out of 19 La Liga games this season he has played so far 9 games. That's good progress but keep things in perspective.

But it also means that the club is not as reliant on him as many have perceived.

Cup games are not given the same priority as league games.

In this regard he may be on the radar of but not necessarily first choice for Barcelona and Real Madrid and all the big clubs in Europe as some have stated and or implied here. But he is being considered without a doubt. I think he should stay in Villareal and develop. A move to soon may not be the best.

Young players often blow hot and cold he needs to time to develop he is not Wayne Rooney as some have compared him too.

Playing for the U20, we shouldn't necessarily try to replicate England, Spain and or Argentina we are not on the same level.

He doesn't even play much Cup games ,he is mostly on the bench being rested for important laliga games,you know laliga games are important than cup games as Villarreal are fighting from the relegation zone

He started last Cup game because it's a most win game

Yes he is not Wayne Rooney

There is no offer for chukwueze yet ,people are just saying rumors and nothing else,even the boy confirm it him self

I repeat no offers for chukwueze yet

He is an important player for Villarreal

ChrisKels:


If scoring against the top teams is now the yardstick, then a player like Iheanacho should be knighted by the queen already.

Chuks did/does his thing as a winger for a shitty team, Rooney had a paradise behind him, plus Rooney was a striker.

It is about getting noticed. I mean how many Nigerians except the ones that are well grounded in football matters are well aware of his exploits? Even those who do still have doubts considering who he is performing against. But remember when Keshi refused to invite Iheanacho and the kind of nationwide uproar it caused? Is Iheanacho a better player than Chuks? That is open for debate but Iheanacho was performing against the top teams so he was easily noticed, that is what football is all about.


Ehm Bros oh, how did Rooney have a paradise behind him? I mean Everton are not exactly a top team, more like the Leicester/WestHam/Watford of those days. They were struggling wirh relegation a season before that so it was a poor team with a good coach. I get that Vullareal are struggling in the league this season but otherwise they are a top 6 team and comfortably qualified from their Europa League group and they could still finish 7th this season. Rooney did not have any paradise behind him, maybe you should check that first. And Rooney played almost all the season as a support striker

Icon4s:


Keep in mind the comparison is still early careers. Yes Iheanacho had a scintillating early career better than what Chukwueze is having.

Chukwueze's current game level is not at that level that you will be comparing him with Rooney of 2002-2004. So because Rooney was exempted from the U20 we must exempt Chukwueze? Isn't that your line of argument?

lol comparing chukwueze to Rooney now right ?

I will never forget about what's being said about iheanacho.

BascoVanVeli:




Messi got an assist in his first el clasico the treble came in his third el clasico in the 06/07 season. Like I said I am not against what u are getting at but u of all people should know how tough La Liga is right now.

Rooney wasn't scoring on all the big teams either. The fact is that Samuel is not Rooney or Messi so we shouldn't hold him to their yardstick. We need to give this boy what is best for him and what can best help him to be the best he can be. All I know is that elite level players make their own rules.

We actually agree on this one, maybe you just did not like the analogy I used and for that I apologise.

This is the point I am making, do what is best for him. You and I know that what he may think is best for him may not exactly be. But remember that Barcelona almost stopped Messi from attending that 2008 Olympics but Pep then said it was vital for his development, Pep the best coach in the world(sorry Liverpool fans but that's the truth) pointed out that attending an age grade tournament is important in a player's career even if the player is named Messi shows just how important that stuff is. Solanke is getting his big money move to Bournemouth off the back of his U20 exploits, there are better players but Bournemouth settled for him, I believe a stellar campaign in the U20 would earn him his own big money move and from there I believe he can continue moving up. I believe the Olympics is next year too, he should even be ready for it as well, seeing that he is actually the age he said he is there is no point rushing him and then burning him out, let's take our time, we ain't winning the AFCON with Rohr anyways

Icon4s:


The thing is he is more likely to be part of the AFCON because the Laliga season is closing a day after the commencement of the WYC. That means he may only join the Eagles camp.

Villarreal can excuse him for the WYC and if they didn't, it is a gain for the SE

Mickael2:


It is about getting noticed. I mean how many Nigerians except the ones that are well grounded in football matters are well aware of his exploits? Even those who do still have doubts considering who he is performing against. But remember when Keshi refused to invite Iheanacho and the kind of nationwide uproar it caused? Is Iheanacho a better player than Chuks? That is open for debate but Iheanacho was performing against the top teams so he was easily noticed, that is what football is all about.


Ehm Bros oh, how did Rooney have a paradise behind him? I mean Everton are not exactly a top team, more like the Leicester/WestHam/Watford of those days. They were struggling wirh relegation a season before that so it was a poor team with a good coach. I get that Vullareal are struggling in the league this season but otherwise they are a top 6 team and comfortably qualified from their Europa League group and they could still finish 7th this season. Rooney did not have any paradise behind him, maybe you should check that first. And Rooney played almost all the season as a support striker

Lol Michael my brother, I'm sorry buh in ur bid to defend ur points, u just had a boner. The same Everton that finished 7th in the 02/03 season, were relegation battlers in ur own book? Remember, that was the season before the Euro. I will reiterate, Rooney played for a better team, yet Chuks floors his stats playing for a shitty team.

ChrisKels:


Lol Michael my brother, I'm sorry buh in ur bid to defend ur points, u just had a boner. The same Everton that finished 7th in the 02/03 season, were relegation battlers in ur own book? Remember, that was the season before the Euro. I will reiterate, Rooney played for a better team, yet Chuks floors his stats playing for a shitty team.

I said a season before that, read through what I wrote again, that is the 01/02 season and they finished 15th. The next season the same set of players now finished 7th. How is Villarreal a shitty team? A team that finished 6th last season? They are struggling yes but they are not a shitty team by any stretch of the imagination.
Should I also pull out Rooney's stats in the 2003/2004 season so you will see further why he went to the Euro? For goodness sake this is Chuks' first professional season, Rooney already played two complete seasons before he was considered for the Euro, that too because he performed when the ovation was loudest

Mickael2:


I said a season before that, read through what I wrote again, that is the 01/02 season and they finished 15th. The next season the same set of players now finished 7th. How is Villarreal a shitty team? A team that finished 6th last season? They are struggling yes but they are not a shitty team by any stretch of the imagination.
Should I also pull out Rooney's stats in the 2003/2004 season so you will see further why he went to the Euro? For goodness sake this is Chuks' first professional season, Rooney already played two complete seasons before he was considered for the Euro, that too because he performed when the ovation was loudest

Rooney wasn't part of the crappy 2001 Everton team. He played for a better Everton team in 2002. His debut, I think was against Tottenham. Yes, the season before, Everton was bad buh the Everton team Rooney had his debut with was no poor team unlike the Villarreal team Chuks had his break through with, even though a season before Chuks's debut, Villarreal did better.

mostob:
Villarreal can excuse him for the WYC and if they didn't, it is a gain for the SE

Keep in mind Villarreal's current position in the league. There is every likely hood that the the last two games of the season will determine whether they will remain in the Laliga top flight or not. Cos even if at that point they are 6points above relegation they will want to win the last 2 games to avoid any slips.

Now if Villarreal can release Chukwueze even understand such circumstance it only tells us something: that " he is not as important to the team as we term it to be".

ChrisKels:


Rooney wasn't part of the crappy 2001 Everton team. He played for a better Everton team in 2002. His debut, I think was against Tottenham. Yes, the season before, Everton was bad buh the Everton team Rooney had his debut with was no poor team unlike the Villarreal team Chuks had his break through with, even though a season before Chuks's debut, Villarreal did better.

So u now agree that Chukwueze's break-in was because Villarreal had a poor team this season.

Thank you for this vital line

Joebie:
Airport and hote better pass this one. No fact checker this time around. Should Chukweiser go to AFCON or U20? Make I ask una this one first, Nigeria don qualify for U20 WC yet?

Boss Joseph abeg when next we do awards, include worst topic of discuss. That Hotel and Airport thing still dey lead for this year thus far.

Mickael2:


We actually agree on this one, maybe you just did not like the analogy I used and for that I apologise.

This is the point I am making, do what is best for him. You and I know that what he may think is best for him may not exactly be. But remember that Barcelona almost stopped Messi from attending that 2008 Olympics but Pep then said it was vital for his development, Pep the best coach in the world(sorry Liverpool fans but that's the truth) pointed out that attending an age grade tournament is important in a player's career even if the player is named Messi shows just how important that stuff is. Solanke is getting his big money move to Bournemouth off the back of his U20 exploits, there are better players but Bournemouth settled for him, I believe a stellar campaign in the U20 would earn him his own big money move and from there I believe he can continue moving up. I believe the Olympics is next year too, he should even be ready for it as well, seeing that he is actually the age he said he is there is no point rushing him and then burning him out, let's take our time, we ain't winning the AFCON with Rohr anyways

But I told u agreed from the beginning na. Winning the golden ball as been a spring board to stardom for most and u are right it is the reason Bournemouth paid 19 mil for an unproven Solanke.

The thing is that he likely will not be able to start the U20 WC with the team. I personally don't think there will be a problem if both coaches manage his minutes. There are 7 matches in both competitions, if he is missing at least 2 matches in both and eased into the competitions he could end up playing less minutes than 7 matches.