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TATIME:
What the OP typed has already been typed and no amount of criticism or arguments can erase that fact!

Who doesn't know it is men's approval you seek?

TATIME:
Your mind is filled with lawlessness, so go and learn the difference between pointing out the mistakes of a whole organization and hanging on the wrongdoing of some in an organization that's not condoling wrongdoing!
Are you saying Jehovah's Witnesses approved such or that some wrongdoers are BEGGING Jehovah's Witnesses to help them do away with wrongdoing?
For your information, Jesus preached against covetousness of the Pharisees (Matthew 23:23-25) while His own Apostles were bitterly complaining against Judas Iscariot (an Apostle)for the same offense. John 12:4-6
But can we now conclude that Jesus is hypocritical?
So go and learn how to distinguish between pointing out the error of a whole group and blackmailing a group for the error of few!

All these apply more to you still. Check your magazines very well and you'll that you alone are guilty of all these.

Janosky:
The " Jehovah's witnesses scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" is our working document ,not that almost three decades old watchtower article which U probably copied from a questionable source & quoted out of context.

These days,anti child abuse laws
are being updated by governments & JWs have done the same in order to comply with the law .

U no dey current with facts of this matter, that is why u dey copy & share outdated expired stuff for here

If your position on child abuse are scripturally guided, then how come you keep reviewing and updating them? Do the scriptures change in meaning with time and government laws? So the world governments you so much demonize are essentially the compass that guides the review of your doctrines? Wow! What an interesting Irony!
If a three decade old Watchtower publication doesn't represent your doctrine anymore, then it follows that the current adjustments and reviews you've made to them are still not reliable as they too will become invalid in another three decades from now. How does that really represent God's laws which never change with time?
Isn't it clear to you that you are under the manipulation of 8 men in far away New York?

Deadlytruth:
If your position on child abuse are scripturally guided, then how come you keep reviewing and updating them? Do the scriptures change in meaning with time and government laws? So the world governments you so much demonize are essentially the compass that guides the review of your doctrines? Wow! What an interesting Irony!
If a three decade old Watchtower publication doesn't represent your doctrine anymore, then it follows that the current adjustments and reviews you've made to them are still not reliable as they too will become invalid in another three decades from now. How does that really represent God's laws which never change with time?
Isn't it clear to you that you are under the manipulation of 8 men in far away New York?

U are an educated ,career person, I suppose, in a specific profession.

How come u go for seminars, & conferences hosted by your professional body?

If a child alleged that u abused him, and U met the body of elders, where some one (1 witness) confirmed U spent 2 hours alone with that child but u denied having any sexual contact with that child.
Then , the child's parents had their child undergo medical tests that confirmed that something sinister took place with firm evidence to back up such claims.
Thereafter, being a suspect, u are called in for interrogation by the Police & charged to court, after thorough investigation.
In spite of your denial in court of law, the medical/forensic evidence proves that u committed the crime (that's 2nd witness against u) & therefore convicted of the crime, has justice been served?

What law ( s) in the bible was broken in order to fulfill the course of justice?

Mr prejudiced fellow, God's word goes beyond do's & don'ts, many scriptural principles are very relevant for our present day.
Your prejudice & bigotry dey shine pass Sonny king.....

Deadlytruth:
Who doesn't know it is men's approval you seek?

And how many people have SEEN God in the sky saying something contrary?
Keep deceiving yourself, someone looked at all the religious groups he knew and it's the one he disapproved that he could see doing GOOD, he couldn't hide it anymore so he voiced out and you're calling that "men's approval"
Can't you grasp that he didn't say this to approve but was moved to voice out facts?
Jesus has helped all of you enough, so Jehovah is righteous if you perish in your disbelief your blood is on your own heads! Jesus warns you people with love
* "By their FRUIT" Matthew 7:16-20
* "Wisdom is justified by her children" Luke 7:35
* "everyone will hate true Christians" Matthew 10:22 John 17:14
* "true Christians will love themselves" John 13:35
* "people will speak injuriously about them" Matthew 5:11,12
Why is it that you're spiritually deaf?
All of these are fulfilled in Jehovah's Witnesses and now one of you came out PUBLICLY to say all of that and the next thing is to silence him.
God has shown you people enough mercy!

Deadlytruth:
All these apply more to you still. Check your magazines very well and you'll that you alone are guilty of all these.

Yes they can be TRUTHFULLY applied to us!
Don't worry,Jesus said if this ones refused to voice out the stones will shout! Luke 19:40
Majority of mankind like you can hide the TRUTH in their minds without saying it out but not everyone my friend, NOT EVERYONE IS HARDHEARTED to that degree.
For your information, before Jesus came as the promised Messiah Satan used some Jews to deceive the people, these ones claims to be the Messiah! Act 5:36,37 These self acclaimed Messiah's misled the Jews into wrong expectations, so when Jesus (the real Messiah) arrives the people already have totally wrong view of what the Messiah supposed to do!
Today you can be expecting to see a religion where all the members or few will be PERFECT! Know now that that's impossible, Jesus is the only person who can PERFECTLY exhibit all those qualities mentioned at Galatians 5:22,23 None of all God's prophets could get it 100% not even Paul who wrote it! Romans 7:13-25
So what are we saying?
The TRUTH is that you can only notice people that's working out those qualities as a GROUP not as a PERSON!
Forget about what any religion is teaching their members, because that's just theoretical. What matters most is their ability to exhibit Galatians 5:22,23 AS A GROUP! According to Apostle Paul of blessed memory, you shouldn't think of quoting any laws against such attributes!
Therefore go and meditate on those qualities,examine carefully the GROUP that's working it out amongst them and find out from them what is helping them to meet up, if they claim that it's God's word that's behind it PLEASE! PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! Stop arguing with them because Jesus said "a bad tree cannot bear good fruit" Matthew 7:15-20

TATIME:
Yes they can be TRUTHFULLY applied to us!
Don't worry,Jesus said if this ones refused to voice out the stones will shout! Luke 19:40
Majority of mankind like you can hide the TRUTH in their minds without saying it out but not everyone my friend, NOT EVERYONE IS HARDHEARTED to that level.

This is how you lie and call it truth. What happened in John 19:40 was that children were praising Jesus as Messiah and the Jews questioned why he allowed them, and he made that response.
Is your organization now Messiahnic to warrant referencing such verse? Was the situation there about offering system which is the case here? Unlike the children whose praise for Jesus was an indication that they found no single fault in him, the OP here clearly stated that he doesn't like your doctrines but that only on offering issue you impress him.... meaning that he doesn't see your organization as genuine even though you appear to get it right on only one out of thousand doctrinal issues.....but you are here comparing the two situations.
If you read between the lines thoroughly you should have even discerned that the OP actually condems your organization in totality than otherwise.
How could a speech made in near total condemnation of you people by an observer be said to be similar to one made by children in total commendation and acceptance of Jesus?
Those children didn't insinuate that though they saw Jesus as imperfect but they accept him as Messiah all the same since he got it right on just one aspect of his teachings and actions.
So what parallel are you trying to draw between the two scenarios?
See how your rabid quest for men's approval drives you into very poor comprehension of the scriptures?
The hatred you accuse me of is actually coming from the very OP you claim is speaking the 'truth' about you. He clearly say '.....I don’t like their doctrines but on this i am impressed."

"don't like" means "hate". The OP hates your doctrine and he makes it clear....meaning that to him all other doctrines of your group are wrong and unacceptable. So if he is speaking the truth as you seem to imply, then his hatred for your doctrine must be founded on the truth hence you have implicitly accepted that your organization is heretic and apostate.

TATIME:
Yes they can be TRUTHFULLY applied to us!
Don't worry,Jesus said if this ones refused to voice out the stones will shout! Luke 19:40
Majority of mankind like you can hide the TRUTH in their minds without saying it out but not everyone my friend, NOT EVERYONE IS HARDHEARTED to that degree.
For your information, before Jesus came as the promised Messiah Satan used some Jews to deceive the people, these ones claims to be the Messiah! Act 5:36,37 These self acclaimed Messiah's misled the Jews into wrong expectations, so when Jesus (the real Messiah) arrives the people already have totally wrong view of what the Messiah supposed to do!
Today you can be expecting to see a religion where all the members or few will be PERFECT! Know now that that's impossible, Jesus is the only person who can PERFECTLY exhibit all those qualities mentioned at Galatians 5:22,23 None of all God's prophets could get it 100% not even Paul who wrote it! Romans 7:13-25
So what are we saying?
The TRUTH is that you can only notice people that's working out those qualities as a GROUP not as a PERSON!
Forget about what any religion is teaching their members, because that's just theoretical. What matters most is their ability to exhibit Galatians 5:22,23 AS A GROUP! According to Apostle Paul of blessed memory, you shouldn't think of quoting any laws against such attributes!
Therefore go and meditate on those qualities,examine carefully the GROUP that's working it out amongst them and find out from them what is helping them to meet up, if they claim that it's God's word that's behind it PLEASE! PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! Stop arguing with them because Jesus said "a bad tree cannot bear good fruit" Matthew 7:15-20

All these are pure rubbish.
One of your cardinal doctrines as written in your book titled "Mankind's Search for God" is that a true organization of God should be such that its individual member's attitudes, behaviors, conducts and and responses to questions about their beliefs must be identical irrespective of the parts of the world they reside in....as that would show that they are guided not by human interpretation of the scriptures but by the mind of the omnipresent and omniscient God Almighty.
So go back and expunge this doctrinal declaration form that book first before anyone can take you seriously on this your latest attempt to shift goalpost.

Janosky:
U are an educated ,career person, I suppose, in a specific profession.

How come u go for seminars, & conferences hosted by your professional body?

If a child alleged that u abused him, and U met the body of elders, where some one (1 witness) confirmed U spent 2 hours alone with that child but u denied having any sexual contact with that child.
Then , the child's parents had their child undergo medical tests that confirmed that something sinister took place with firm evidence to back up such claims.
Thereafter, being a suspect, u are called in for interrogation by the Police & charged to court, after thorough investigation.
In spite of your denial in court of law, the medical/forensic evidence proves that u committed the crime (that's 2nd witness against u) & therefore convicted of the crime, has justice been served?

What law ( s) in the bible was broken in order to fulfill the course of justice?

Mr prejudiced fellow, God's word goes beyond do's & don'ts, many scriptural principles are very relevant for our present day.
Your prejudice & bigotry dey shine pass Sonny king.....

Seminars and conferences are held by professional bodies to review and update human fallible knowledge towards aligning it with most recent findings about reality. But there is no need for the review and updating of the scriptures since they are authoured by an infallible and omniscient God. In fact God's words dictate reality.
For example, far before Ferdinand Magellan undertook the circumnavigation voyage, the scriptures had described the earth as geoid in shape. So the scriptures rule reality hence it is absurd to try upgrading or updating the scriptures to align with the latest human findings which could still be invalidated by more future findings. Therefore any organization that is always reviewing her doctrines to be in concordance with existing secular laws is definitely not being guided by the mind of God the author of the scriptures who say the world and all within it shall pass away but that not a jot of His words shall pass away.
The bolded is what all other Christian groups have been trying to make your organization understand all this while but you refused and continued insisting on the contrary that it is a matter of dos and don'ts. They told you that all scripture is simply and essentially about following one's conscience to loving one's neighbours as one's self rather than laws or ordinances, but you refused and cooked up different rules of dos and don'ts as standards and propagated them in publications for ages. You condemned other groups' simple message of love for one's neighbours as intellectual laziness and aversion to searching the scriptures in pursuit of their apostate leanings. Now, without first acknowledging you were initially wrong, you are trying to turn round and embrace the fact that it is not about dos and don'ts?

Deadlytruth:
individual member's attitudes, behaviors, conducts and and responses to questions about their beliefs must be identical irrespective of the parts of the world they reside in..... .

ALL THESE ARE RUBBISH!
Hmmmmmmmmmmm don't allow this hatred to render you spiritually blind my friend!
Throughout the earth today,Jehovah's Witnesses are known for the same
ATTITUDES
BEHAVIORS
CONDUCTS and
RESPONSES to questions about our beliefs is identical irrespective of the parts of the world we reside in!
The OP only noticed one good thing about the way we make offerings and that's exactly the same thing you'll see in any of our kingdom hall including the ones you'll find in your villages!
What i am telling you is "don't expect everyone attending our meetings to be perfect" but you'll notice that no matter how degraded such person's lifestyle, even those in his/her neighborhood will say "he/she is not truthfully their REAL member".
Because Terrence Howard(a renown American actor) only noticed JWs in his own neighborhood and after making a comparison with those he has found elsewhere he could publicly say....

TATIME:
ALL THESE ARE RUBBISH!
Hmmmmmmmmmmm don't allow this hatred to render you spiritually blind my friend!
Throughout the earth today,Jehovah's Witnesses are known for the same
ATTITUDES
BEHAVIORS
CONDUCTS and
RESPONSES to questions about our beliefs is identical irrespective of the parts of the world we reside in!
The OP only noticed one good thing about the way we make offerings and that's exactly the same thing you'll see in any of our kingdom hall including the ones you'll find in your villages!
What i am telling you is "don't expect everyone attending our meetings to be perfect" but you'll notice that no matter how degraded such person's lifestyle, even those in his/her neighborhood will say "he/she is not truthfully their REAL member".
Because Terrence Howard(a renown American actor) only noticed JWs in his own neighborhood and after making a comparison with those he has found elsewhere he could publicly say....

In a previous post you already said as follows:

"The TRUTH is that you can only notice people that's working out those qualities as a GROUP not as a PERSON!"

Now you changed tune to:

"Throughout the earth today,Jehovah's Witnesses (i.e the individual persons) are known for the same
ATTITUDES
BEHAVIORS
CONDUCTS and
RESPONSES to questions about our beliefs is identical irrespective of the parts of the world we reside in!"

So which do we choose between these two conflicting claims coming from one and the same person?
However, just on this thread alone we have seen a JW who argued that his organization is pacifist in orientation and doctrine contrary to the organization's own categorical statement in an edition of her own magazine that her members are permitted to take up arms in defense of their beliefs. He has abandoned this thread completely ever after he was shown that publication. There is yet another member of yours above who has just said it is not a matter of do's and don'ts whereas you have been harping on a set of do's and don'ts by which your members are supposedly identified with. So how do we reconcile this variation between the two of you here with the claim you just made?

There is no big deal about the universality of the pattern by which make offerings. Other religious groups' manners of offering are even more identical in universality. What matters therefore is not whether the members of a group stick religiously to a style all over the world but whether that style or belief in it is based on the scriptures... and that is what this thread has trashed thoroughly.

Some other prominent figures too have said of other religious groups what Torrence Horward said of you.
If everyone lived like Mahatma Ghandi and his followers, the world would just be perfectly perfect. If everyone lived like Mother Theresa, the world would be a utopia. And so many others.
If you consider the lifestyle of Eskimos and their culture you can also end up concluding that the world would be free of all famine, pestilence and what have you, if everyone else acted like them. These groups of persons and their followers have shown far better examples of ideal living than any body of organized religion anyone can think of. So it is not about being a member of an organization in the formal sense. Horward Torrence was speaking from a very limited sample space restricted to the US. He never travelled to India, Greenland, etc to get a wider first hand experience.

Let us look at Torrence's words more deeply:
If he is right that the world would be a paradise provided everyone acted and lived according to your doctrine irrespective of their religious beliefs or the religious groups they belong to, then that would seem to suggest that making the world a better place is not about formally belonging to a so-called God's organization but about just living by the dictates of the Bible which that organization claims to derive her beliefs from. Afterall he himself never joined your organization after saying so. Doesn'tell you then that your doctrine that says that "compulsory membership of your organization is the only qualification to paradise" is pure bunkum therefore?

Deadlytruth:
Seminars and conferences are held by professional bodies to review and update human fallible knowledge towards aligning it with most recent findings about reality. But there is no need for the review and updating of the scriptures since they are authoured by an infallible and omniscient God. In fact God's words dictate reality.
For example, far before Ferdinand Magellan undertook the circumnavigation voyage, the scriptures had described the earth as geoid in shape. So the scriptures rule reality hence it is absurd to try upgrading or updating the scriptures to align with the latest human findings which could still be invalidated by more future findings. Therefore any organization that is always reviewing her doctrines to be in concordance with existing secular laws is definitely not being guided by the mind of God the author of the scriptures who say the world and all within it shall pass away but that not a jot of His words shall pass away.
The bolded is what all other Christian groups have been trying to make your organization understand all this while but you refused and continued insisting on the contrary that it is a matter of dos and don'ts. They told you that all scripture is simply and essentially about following one's conscience to loving one's neighbours as one's self rather than laws or ordinances, but you refused and cooked up different rules of dos and don'ts as standards and propagated them in publications for ages. You condemned other groups' simple message of love for one's neighbours as intellectual laziness and aversion to searching the scriptures in pursuit of their apostate leanings. Now, without first acknowledging you were initially wrong, you are trying to turn round and embrace the fact that it is not about dos and don'ts?

Of a truth, the word of God is infallible but imperfect man is fallible.

JWs did not "update" or review the scriptures, every serious Bible student knows that he can read one particular verse a thousand times, yet he receives fresh insight & understanding as if he just read that verse for the first time.
Jehovah is a God of justice ,it's one of His cardinal quality & justice is a principle spelt out in the Bible (Job34:11,12 . Gal 6:7. Luk18:7,8.)
The more u pray & study God's word, (God's word is our work tools, as workmen we must keep improving & refining our skills & our steps to align with Jehovah's standard, (2Tim 2:15) to do that is humility. )
. Peter denied Jesus &made his mistakes, did Jesus throw him out?
Yet Jesus kept teaching his disciples continuously to refine them.
They were humble & improved, so do JWs as long as no scriptural principle is violated.


If u find fault with that,it's your problem.
Your prejudice no go let u see road well well..

Deadlytruth:
In a previous post you already said as follows:

"The TRUTH is that you can only notice people that's working out those qualities as a GROUP not as a PERSON!"

Now you changed tune to:

"Throughout the earth today,Jehovah's Witnesses (i.e the individual persons) are known for the same
ATTITUDES
BEHAVIORS
CONDUCTS and
RESPONSES to questions about our beliefs is identical irrespective of the parts of the world we reside in!"

So which do we choose between these two conflicting claims coming from one and the same person?
However, just on this thread alone we have seen a JW who argued that his organization is pacifist in orientation and doctrine contrary to the organization's own categorical statement in an edition of her own magazine that her members are permitted to take up arms in defense of their beliefs. He has abandoned this thread completely ever after he was shown that publication. There is yet another member of yours above who has just said it is not a matter of do's and don'ts whereas you have been harping on a set of do's and don'ts by which your members are supposedly identified with. So how do we reconcile this variation between the two of you here with the claim you just made?

There is no big deal about the universality of the pattern by which make offerings. Other religious groups' manners of offering are even more identical in universality. What matters therefore is not whether the members of a group stick religiously to a style all over the world but whether that style or belief in it is based on the scriptures... and that is what this thread has trashed thoroughly.

Some other prominent figures too have said of other religious groups what Torrence Horward said of you.
If everyone lived like Mahatma Ghandi and his followers, the world would just be perfectly perfect. If everyone lived like Mother Theresa, the world would be a utopia. And so many others.
If you consider the lifestyle of Eskimos and their culture you can also end up concluding that the world would be free of all famine, pestilence and what have you, if everyone else acted like them. These groups of persons and their followers have shown far better examples of ideal living than any body of organized religion anyone can think of. So it is not about being a member of an organization in the formal sense. Horward Torrence was speaking from a very limited sample space restricted to the US. He never travelled to India, Greenland, etc to get a wider first hand experience.

Let us look at Torrence's words more deeply:
If he is right that the world would be a paradise provided everyone acted and lived according to your doctrine irrespective of their religious beliefs or the religious groups they belong to, then that would seem to suggest that making the world a better place is not about formally belonging to a so-called God's organization but about just living by the dictates of the Bible which that organization claims to derive her beliefs from. Afterall he himself never joined your organization after saying so. Doesn'tell you then that your doctrine that says that "compulsory membership of your organization is the only qualification to paradise" is pure bunkum therefore?

What you're disputing has been rubbed in your face sir and there is nothing as in NOTHING you can do to remove the credits Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten!
The OP is not Terrence Howard but both of them sincerely confessed how impressed they are with what they've seen so far in Jehovah's Witnesses.
The fact that they've not yet joined the organization simply means their conscience is telling them to do something but their nature as humans is saying otherwise! Matthew 19:16-24
Note that it's not riches that's the problem with people but their heart condition to stick to what majority praises. What the OP and Terrence Howard says is not general acceptable, that's why Nicodemus came to say what both the OP and Terrence Howard are saying now AT NIGHT! John 3:1,2
Nicodemus remained a member of those opposing Jesus so when they spoke on how to arrest Jesus, Nicodemus tried to speak in Jesus' defence and they all raised their voices to silence him just as all of you are doing right now. John 7:45-52
My friend, your agitation and hatred won't change what Terrence Howard and the OP have said!

@Deadlytruth,
"I don't like" does not mean "hate", U really know say no be the same thing.
Why eee dey pain u say the OP see something wey "impressed" him about JW?

Janosky:
@Deadlytruth,
"I don't like" does not mean "hate", U really know say no be the same thing.
Why eee dey pain u say the OP see something wey "impressed" him about JW?

Pontius Pilate saw the outstanding courage, boldness and stringent principle in Jesus, so after he has ordered Jesus to be whipped mercilessly in order to please Jesus' enemies but seeing that these enemies of TRUTH have rendered their conscience dead, Pontius Pilate said about Jesus with high regard for Jesus' dignified stand "Look the Man!" John 19:5
So let him SHAMELESSLY deny his own username by turning himself to "TrulyDead"
The Pharisees after Pilate told them "I've found no fault in him" said aloud "we have a law" which of course supposed to mean God's law, so to them, they're condemning Jesus ACCORDING to God's word!
Let him keep arguing bitterly against what he knew is good simply because of the tradition of the churches that he himself can't defend under scrutiny! John 19:6-10

Janosky:
Of a truth, the word of God is infallible but imperfect man is fallible.

JWs did not "update" or review the scriptures, every serious Bible student knows that he can read one particular verse a thousand times, yet he receives fresh insight & understanding as if he just read that verse for the first time.
Jehovah is a God of justice ,it's one of His cardinal quality & justice is a principle spelt out in the Bible (Job34:11,12 . Gal 6:7. Luk18:7,8.)
The more u pray & study God's word, (God's word is our work tools, as workmen we must keep improving & refining our skills & our steps to align with Jehovah's standard, (2Tim 2:15) to do that is humility. )
. Peter denied Jesus &made his mistakes, did Jesus throw him out?
Yet Jesus kept teaching his disciples continuously to refine them.
They were humble & improved, so do JWs as long as no scriptural principle is violated.


If u find fault with that,it's your problem.
Your prejudice no go let u see road well well..

It is simple. Paul warned them in the Corinthian Church that they must never accept any new or updated teaching different from the one he taught them. He added that even if he himself was the one who later came back to them to give them a different teaching, they should not accept it. That is how the scriptures are. Any religious organization that keeps changing doctrines in the name of improvement is definitely being guided by men's minds and not the Holy Spirit the true interpreter promised by Jesus.
Initially your organization published in her 1902 Awake edition that despite being a festival rooted in paganism, her members were free to celebrate Christmas as long as the intention behind the celebration had become different. But in later editions, the tune changed to "Don't celebrate Christmas because it has paganistic origins".
The Holy Spirit can't lead you to believe that a thing is acceptable in the sight of God today, and then on a later day it tells you that due to improvement it has realized that what it taught you initially was not of God. That definitely is not the Holy Spirit. He is not an author of confusion and inconsistency in the name of improvement. God's words are perfect so they need no improvement.
If however you agree that your doctrines change due to your own human improvement in understanding, that is a different thing. And it means you don't really have any doctrine since what you currently hammer on as your belief upon which you condemn others may soon change possibly to the ones of the very others you condemn.

Janosky:
@Deadlytruth,
"I don't like" does not mean "hate", U really know say no be the same thing.
Why eee dey pain u say the OP see something wey "impressed" him about JW?

Stop deceiving yourself. "I don't like" simply is the negation of "I like" which is same as "I hate".
I am not pained that the OP saw anything that impressed him about you.
I understand you people are always looking for the approval of men.
People do express being impressed with moslems and the simplicity of their modes of worship which attracts converts to it hence it is the fastest growing religion in the world. But that doesn't automatically translate to it being the Organization of God. And the moslems themselves don't even salivate over such commendation.
It actually smacks of inferiority complex to always relish commendations from the world. Christ never did it. None of the Apostles did so.

TATIME:
Pontius Pilate saw the outstanding courage, boldness and stringent principle in Jesus, so after he has ordered Jesus to be whipped mercilessly in order to please Jesus' enemies but seeing that these enemies of TRUTH have rendered their conscience dead, Pontius Pilate said about Jesus with high regard for Jesus' dignified stand "Look the Man!" John 19:5
So let him SHAMELESSLY deny his own username by turning himself to "TrulyDead"
The Pharisees after Pilate told them "I've found no fault in him" said aloud "we have a law" which of course supposed to mean God's law, so to them, they're condemning Jesus ACCORDING to God's word!
Let him keep arguing bitterly against what he knew is good simply because of the tradition of the churches that he himself can't defend under scrutiny! John 19:6-10

If Pontius Pilate flogged Jesus before trying him and then finding no fault in him, then that should tell you he was prejudiced hence his later commendation of Jesus was pure hypocrisy hence Jesus didn't celebrate it. If he was really sincere about his declaration that he found no fault in Jesus, then honesty demanded that he should have first apologized to Jesus for flogging Him innocently, and then proceed to announce Jesus' innocence to to the Jews, and then set Him free regardless of the sentiments of the Jews. After all he had all the state power to effect Jesus' release and arrest and severely deal with any Jew who resisted him. But he tendered no single appology, ended up still delivering the innocent Jesus up for crucifixion, yet you take his declaration seriously. You and that your religious organization must be very naive.
Does that not contrast with you people's celeberaton of commendations emanating from the same world system you accuse of having persecuted you innocently over the years?
The scriptures you reference are always out of context so I don't even bother to look them up again.

My analysis are hitting you in the right places and exposing your inconsistencies and hypocritic doctrines hence your personal attacks on my moniker. I am happy about that. You can say all you like against my person, but that won't stop me from replying you and exposing your ever changing doctrines controlled and decided by a group of 8 men in New York acting as God.

TATIME:
What you're disputing has been rubbed in your face sir and there is nothing as in NOTHING you can do to remove the credits Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten!
The OP is not Terrence Howard but both of them sincerely confessed how impressed they are with what they've seen so far in Jehovah's Witnesses.
The fact that they've not yet joined the organization simply means their conscience is telling them to do something but their nature as humans is saying otherwise! Matthew 19:16-24
Note that it's not riches that's the problem with people but their heart condition to stick to what majority praises. What the OP and Terrence Howard says is not general acceptable, that's why Nicodemus came to say what both the OP and Terrence Howard are saying now AT NIGHT! John 3:1,2
Nicodemus remained a member of those opposing Jesus so when they spoke on how to arrest Jesus, Nicodemus tried to speak in Jesus' defence and they all raised their voices to silence him just as all of you are doing right now. John 7:45-52
My friend, your agitation and hatred won't change what Terrence Howard and the OP have said!

The OP's post is about an erroneous impression he got as a distant observe that your organization's offering is optional. However he has been clarified that compulsion is really more of a JW thing than others. Examples have been given to include your organization's practice of specifically listing bonds, shares, treasury bills, stocks, and other investments as what her members should surrender as offering. An Awake edition was referenced which none of you could deny. Neither the Pentecostals or Orthodox Churches are known to go as far as demanding their members' investments as offering.
Even you yourself admitted here that no elder of your congregation is to avoid paying offering as without giving 'cogent' reasons. That is itself a form of compulsion as it suggests that those elders have persons assigned to monitor them and question them if they are found guilty. What compulsion can be greater than that?
Moreover, the OP specifically mentioned only the Pentecostals in his comparisons.. meaning he doesn't see any compulsion in the Orthodox Churches' manner of offerings. So he indirectly also commends the latter. But they are not here celebrating it because they know it is unchristian.

Deadlytruth:
The OP's post is about an erroneous impression he got as a distant observe that your organization's offering is optional. However he has been clarified that compulsion is really more of a JW thing than others. Examples have been given to include your organization's practice of specifically listing bonds, shares, treasury bills, stocks, and other investments as what her members should surrender as offering. An Awake edition was referenced which none of you could deny. Neither the Pentecostals or Orthodox Churches are known to go as far as demanding their members' investments as offering.
Even you yourself admitted here that no elder of your congregation is to avoid paying offering as without giving 'cogent' reasons. That is itself a form of compulsion as it suggests that those elders have persons assigned to monitor them and question them if they are found guilty. What compulsion can be greater than that?
Moreover, the OP was specifically mentions only the Pentecostals in his comparisons.. meaning he doesn't see any compulsion in the Orthodox Churches' manner of offerings. So he indirectly also commends the latter. But they are not here celebrating it because they know it is unchristian.

In FACTS you're not interested so don't expect Jehovah's Witnesses to keep wasting our time and data on lies that is fabricated to keep you in the dark since you prefer lies to the TRUTH.
This month alone Jehovah's Witnesses globally over the release of our deluxe Bible in different languages all is FREE! What you should have asked is "how are Jehovah's Witnesses meeting up with our expenses?" Instead of speculating and been presumptuous.
None of Jehovah's Witnesses will give a bleep to those who prefer darkness to light!

Deadlytruth:
If Pontius Pilate flogged Jesus before trying him and then finding no fault in him, then that should tell you he was prejudiced hence his later commendation of Jesus was pure hypocrisy hence Jesus didn't celebrate it.
Does that not contrast with you people's celeberaton of commendations emanating from the same world system you accuse of having persecuted you innocently over the years?
The scriptures you reference are always out of context so I don't even bother to look them up again.

My analysis are hitting you in the right places and exposing your inconsistencies and hypocritic doctrines hence your personal attacks on my moniker. I am happy about that. You can say all you like against my person, but that won't stop me from replying you and exposing your ever changing doctrines controlled and decided by a group of 8 men in New York acting as God.

You're welcome Sir!

TATIME:
In FACTS you're not interested so don't expect Jehovah's Witnesses to keep wasting our time and data on lies that is fabricated to keep you in the dark since you prefer lies to the TRUTH.
This month alone Jehovah's Witnesses globally over the release of our deluxe Bible in different languages all is FREE! What you should have asked is "how are Jehovah's Witnesses meeting up with our expenses?" Instead of speculating and been presumptuous.
None of Jehovah's Witnesses will give a bleep to those who prefer darkness to light!

Lies and truth can only be established on the precepts of the Bible. So as long as you can't prove me wrong based on the scriptures, all your attempt to create the impression that I am lying is self delusion

Jehovah's Witnesses, according to Awake magazine, meet up with their expenses by imposing compulsory donation of investments on their members. They also rely on asking for donations from even outsiders whom they label apostates. Ironically they don't join others in prayes because, according to them, they don't yet believe in the same god to whom the prayers will be directed. But when it comes to asking those 'apostates' for donation, they forget that those outsiders don't also yet believe in the same god whose message they want to use the donations to propagate.
Jesus never asked for donations towards his ministry from those who had not accepted his messages. Even though he could read people's minds and know who really was planning to be his convert soon, he didn't still capitalize on that to ask such for donations. He rather spent money on those whom he was evangelizing. Genuine Christians never take from unbelievers under any excuse. They rather give to unbelievers and the society at large. In 2 Corinthians 12:14, Paul said to even the believers in Corinth, "It is you I want, not your money'. Then how much more should true Christians be wary of unbelievers' moneys and donations ? Likewise, the Pentecostals and Orthodox Churches never ask unbelievers or non members for donations towards their mission when they go out to enangelize. They would rather win converts by identifying the needy unbeliever and get their Churches to assist him first before further preaching to him as Christians are asked to do in the book of James.
But your organization does the opposite to this by never rendering help to unbelievers at first it even second encounter, but demands for their donations towards their ministry without even caring to first find out how they are surviving. That definitely can't be of God. Never!

nairavsdollars:
I attended the church of Jehovah's Witnesses and i noticed they don't compel people to pay Tithes and Offerings like most Pentecostal churches.

All they have is a box where any willing attendee is free to drop whatever he or she desires. No POS, no long sermon, no threat on giving like most Pentecostal churches. Jesus Christ never forced people to give and Christians are meant to emulate Christ.

I don’t like their doctrines but on this i am impressed.

They don't talk much about the subject because they lack spiritual understanding about it. Any church that stop talking about offering is programming her members for poverty. It lays the foundation for your wealth. Stop giving and poverty will visit you.

Deadlytruth:
Lies and truth can only be established on the precepts of the Bible. So as long as you can't prove me wrong based on the scriptures, all your attempt to create the impression that I am lying is self delusion

Jehovah's Witnesses, according to Awake magazine, meet up with their expenses by imposing compulsory donation of investments on their members. They also rely on asking for donations from even outsiders whom they label apostates. Ironically they don't join others in prayes because, according to them, they don't yet believe in the same god to whom the prayers will be directed. But when it comes to asking those 'apostates' for donation, they forget that those outsiders don't also yet believe in the same god whose message they want to use the donations to propagate.
Jesus never asked for donations towards his ministry from those who had not accepted his messages. Even though he could read people's minds and know who really was planning to be his convert soon, he didn't still capitalize on that to ask such for donations. He rather spent money on those whom he was evangelizing. Genuine Christians never take from unbelievers under any excuse. They rather give to unbelievers and the society at large. In 2 Corinthians 12:14, Paul said to even the believers in Corinth, "It is you I want, not your money'. Then how much more should true Christians be wary of unbelievers' moneys and donations ? Likewise, the Pentecostals and Orthodox Churches never ask unbelievers or non members for donations towards their mission when they go out to enangelize. They would rather win converts by identifying an unbeliever in need and get their Churches to assist them first before further preaching to him as Christians are asked to do in the book of James.
But your organization does the opposite to this by never rendering help to unbelievers at first it even second encounter, but demands for their donations towards their ministry without even caring to first find out how they are surviving. That definitely can't be of God. Never!

Go in search for a better group that's producing a tenth(10%) of the FRUITS that Jehovah's Witnesses are producing, then you'll have something tangible as a LAW against US. Galatians 5:23b

TATIME:
Go in search for a better group that's producing a tenth(10%) of the FRUITS that Jehovah's Witnesses are producing, then you'll have something tangible as a LAW against US. Galatians 5:23b

The Galatians 5:23 you reference above admonishes humility and self control hence is actually meant for your boastful, self glorifying yet carnal minded and sinful organization. It is a worldly attribute to be good in your own eyes. Even Jesus, despite being the perfect embodiment of goodness, said "no man is good" in response to a man who described Him with the adjective 'good'. That is an example of the humility admonished in Gal: 5:23. If your organization were really talking after Jesus, you would realize that His true followers shouldn't therefore ever relish commendations from the world because it is the same world that would later turn around and accused them falsely like it later did to Jesus.

You can however get help from 2 Corinthians 10:18

Deadlytruth:
The Galatians 5:23 you reference above admonishes humility and self control hence is actually meant for your boastful, self glorifying yet carnal minded and sinful organization. It is a worldly attribute to be good in your own eyes. Even Jesus, despite being the perfect embodiment of goodness, said "no man is good" in response to a man who described Him with the adjective 'good'. That is an example of the humility admonished in Gal: 5:23. If your organization were really talking after Jesus, you would realize that His true followers shouldn't therefore ever relish commendations from the world because it is the same world that would later turn around and accused them falsely like it later did to Jesus.

You can however get help from 2 Corinthians 10:18

We know your type Sir. You're Mr TalkBack, those who just feel like talking back "never allow Jehovah's Witnesses to win arguments"
For your information, we're NOT to argue with you if you've not seen the qualities that Christ expect people to notice as the identity of Christianity in JWs! 1Timothy 6:4,Philippians 2:14,Titus 3:9,Colossians 2:4
Boasting is one aspects or attribute of TRUE Christianity, but it's like your anger coupled with hatred for JWs won't allow you think before you type.
Christians are not to boast of money,having children, building house or possession of other material things just as your folks will come out in your assemblies only to start telling people "praise the Lord, i possessed this i possessed that" but when it comes to the UNDERSTANDING of God's word WE MUST BOAST before all your so called Pastors who kept asking you to pay them TITHES for their claims as teachers of God's word (Jeremiah 9:24,Matthew 23:23,24)Christians are to keep going about to offer assistance to others in GIVING what we have which is Godly wisdom FREELY. Matthew 10:8
The irony of the matter is you don't understand what you're saying at all,is it wrong to keep doing what Jesus asked Christians to do?(Matthew 10:3-15,28:19,20) Or we should just join you people in doing what we've discovered is wrong? 1Corinthians 10:20
Instead of arguing blindly why not think deeply to know that Christians can boast of Goldy wisdom but NOT to bear religious titles like you people do?
Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses knows his/her office of duty (Ephesians 4:11) yet you can never hear of title bearers in our midst WE ARE ALL BROTHERS! Matthew 23:8
Your Pastors can tell you Jehovah's Witnesses boasts,please tell them we will boast to silence false Christians who are adding titles to their names,YES Sir Jehovah's Witnesses will tell them "you're not Christians!" We'll never accord them that recognition they are commanding with those useless titles! 2Corinthians 11:12-15

TATIME:
We know your type Sir. You're Mr TalkBack, those who just feel like talking back "never allow Jehovah's Witnesses to win arguments"
For your information, we're NOT to argue with you if you've not seen the qualities that Christ expect people to notice as the identity of Christianity in JWs! 1Timothy 6:4,Philippians 2:14,Titus 3:9,Colossians 2:4
Boasting is one aspects or attribute of TRUE Christianity, but it's like your anger coupled with hatred for JWs won't allow you think before you type.
Christians are not to boast of money,having children, building house or possession of other material things just as your folks will come out in your assemblies only to start telling people "praise the Lord, i possessed this i possessed that" but when it comes to the UNDERSTANDING of God's word WE MUST BOAST before all your so called Pastors who kept asking you to pay them TITHES for their claims as teachers of God's word (Jeremiah 9:24,Matthew 23:23,24)Christians are to keep going about to offer assistance to others in GIVING what we have which is Godly wisdom FREELY. Matthew 10:8
The irony of the matter is you don't understand what you're saying at all,is it wrong to keep doing what Jesus asked Christians to do?(Matthew 10:3-15,28:19,20) Or we should just join you people in doing what we've discovered is wrong? 1Corinthians 10:20
Instead of arguing blindly why not think deeply to know that Christians can boast of Goldy wisdom but NOT to bear religious titles like you people do?
Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses knows his/her office of duty (Ephesians 4:11) yet you can never hear of title bearers in our midst WE ARE ALL BROTHERS! Matthew 23:8
Your Pastors can tell you Jehovah's Witnesses boasts,please tell them we will boast to silence false Christians who are adding titles to their names,YES Sir Jehovah's Witnesses will tell them "you're not Christians!" We'll never accord them that recognition they are commanding with those useless titles! 2Corinthians 11:12-15

See firewood pot calling electric kettle black. Haven't you yourself been talking back all this while? For the first bolded: thank God you now confess in a Freudian slip that JWism is about winning arguments thus not really about living by example. On that, you can get help in 2 Timothy 2:23.

For the second bolded: that is purely illogical. People don't argue with those who already have a positive view of them. If a person already sees good in JW, then why still argue with him? Does that make sense? By this utterance alone you have confessed how much your organization loves stupid arguments that you keep doing it even when it is no longer necessary.
The third bolded is actually a testimonial to the depravity and carnal mindedness of your organization. Even in the secular world, boasting is viewed as evil. All human cultures detest boasting about self in any form. In the Bible Jesus said "If you do exactly what the world does, then how are you better than them?" Isn't it laughable that your organization doesn't see anything wrong with a thing which even the world rightly sees as morally wrong?

For the fourth bolded: Of course you obviously don't know anything about testimony of the Lord's goodness and blessings because your organization doesn't even believe in the possibility of material blessings from God.
Giving testimony of God's goodness is different from chest beating which you people are fond of. Testimony giving is commanded of Christians in the Bible...1 Corinthians 1:31. But chest beating about having knowledge of God's words is forbidden in the scriptures.....................1 Corinthians 3:18-21, 1 Corinthians 4:7-8, 1 Corinthians 3:21.

The scriptures go deeper and more specific in 2: Cor 12 - 19 where it admonishes that followers of Christ should even rather talk about their weakness and failures if they truly desire to become acceptable in God's sight. But since your own desire is to look great in the eyes of sinful and mortal men you do the reverse.
Then 2 Corinthians 12: 5-6 kills it completely by admonishing Christians never to try to, through boasting, get other to have a high opinion of them.
Even in the secular world, whoever tries to boast his way to higher public esteem is usually viewed as very stupid and senseless, and then ends up being looked down upon. Yet a self acclaimed God's organization's doctrine upholds boasting as a way to seeking higher esteem in the eyes of the public. What a satanic and shameless group!


Like I already noted, the verses you do quote above are totally unrelated to the topic. Take Mathew 10:3-15 for example: it talks about Jesus sending out his disciples on evangelism and healing the sick. How does that relate to the issue of the propriety of boasting about the knowledge of God by Christians? Not that your organization still follows the mandates given in that passage though. There Jesus commands his disciples to heal the sick, drive away demons from them and avoid going from house to house. But your organization mandates its members to go from house to house in pure violation of Jesus' own directive, yet you boast of doing God's will. Which god please? Again, you lack the Holy Spirit hence you don't have the power to chase demons out of the sick, but you rationalize this by claimimg that the time for miracles has passed and in defense reference the passage in Thessalonians which says the gifts of miracles, teaching, etc will cease when the perfect day (i.e. eternity) comes but that love will remain.
If your perfect day has already come to make the performance of miracles unnecessary, then why doesn't your teaching and evangelism as stop since they are equally listed among the things that will not last into the perfect day?
And these are the people who claim superior knowledge of the scriptures.

It is evil to boast of knowledge which is accurate. But it is simply demonic to boast of knowledge when you don't even really have it.

The Bible is also against boasting about any acomplishment in the Christian race...as Ephesians 2: 8-9 clearly says as follows:

"For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it."
Therefore, any religious organization whose doctrine permits boasting about it is definitely a false religion. Such are not Christians. For the carnal and worldly minded, the true teachings of the Bible are difficult to live by, hence your decision to create your own translation of the Bible which deliberately distorts these hard teachings to those which suit your carnal and earthly desires.

As for the other parts of your watery self defense: the bearing of titles is not forbidden anywhere in the scriptures. In fact 1 Timothy 3:1-2 even permits brethren to aspire to Leadership position titled "Bishop". So your organization's aversion to it is therefore just in pursuit of its vainglorious quest to outwardly appear different from others just for the sake of deceiving the spiritually gullible.
The 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 you referenced doesn't have anything to do with titles issue. Paul in all his letters to churches in Asia always introduced himself as an Apostle of the Lord. That is a title for you. It is same as Pastor, Bishop, etc and are meant for identity purposes. If it were a form of boasting Paul wouldn't have ever given himself the title 'Apostle'. Only in your carnal minded organization does such translate to self exaltation above others.
And above all, all these appologetics you are doing are likely to become invalid in the nearest future when the body of 8 men in New York update your organization's interpretations of all these verses you currently reference here and there. By that time you will start singing a different tune from the ones you currently sing.

We all saw it here how your 8 New York elders initially told you that nothing was wrong with celeberaton of Christmas, but later declared the same festival evil many years later after a lot of your members had lived and died with the previous belief. Who will be responsible for their souls if they don't make the 'paradise' on account of that belief assuming the new one is actually from God while the old one is of the devil as you want people to believe?

Deadlytruth:
See firewood pot calling electric kettle black. Haven't you yourself been talking back all this while? For the first bolded: thank God you now confess in a Freudian slip that JWism is about winning arguments thus not really about living by example. On that, you can get help in 2 Timothy 2:23.

For the second bolded: that is purely illogical. People don't argue with those who already have a positive view of them. If a person already sees good in JW, then why still argue with him? Does that make sense? By this utterance alone you have confessed how much your organization loves stupid arguments that you keep doing it even when it is no longer necessary.
The third bolded is actually a testimonial to the depravity and carnal mindedness of your organization. Even in the secular world, boasting is viewed as evil. All human cultures detest boasting about self in any form. In the Bible Jesus said "If you do exactly what the world does, then how are you better than them?" Isn't it laughable that your organization doesn't see anything wrong with a thing which even the world rightly sees as morally wrong?

For the fourth bolded: Of course you obviously don't know anything about testimony of the Lord's goodness and blessings because your organization doesn't even believe in the possibility of material blessings from God.
Giving testimony of God's goodness is different from chest beating which you people are fond of. Testimony giving is commanded of Christians in the Bible...1 Corinthians 1:31. But chest beating about having knowledge of God's words is forbidden in the scriptures.....................1 Corinthians 3:18-21, 1 Corinthians 4:7-8, 1 Corinthians 3:21.

The scriptures go deeper and more specific in 2: Cor 12 - 19 where it admonishes that followers of Christ should even rather talk about their weakness and failures if they truly desire to become acceptable in God's sight. Then 2 Corinthians 12: 5-6 kills it completely by admonishing Christians never to try to, through boasting, get other to have a high opinion of them.
Even in the secular world, whoever tries to boast his way to higher public esteem is usually viewed as very stupid and senseless, and then ends up being looked down upon. Yet a self acclaimed God's organization's doctrine upholds boasting as a way to seeking higher esteem in the eyes of the public. What a satanic and shameless group!


Like I already noted, the verses you do quote above are totally unrelated to the topic. Take Mathew 10:3-15 for example: it talks about Jesus sending out his disciples on evangelism and healing the sick. How does that relate to the issue of the propriety of boasting about the knowledge of God by Christians? Not that your organization still follows the mandates given in that passage though. There Jesus commands his disciples to heal the sick, drive away demons from them and avoid going from house to house. But your organization mandates its members to go from house to house in pure violation of Jesus' own directive, yet you boast of doing God's will. Which god please? Again, you lack the Holy Spirit hence you don't have the power to chase demons out of the sick, but you rationalize this by claimimg that the time for miracles has passed and in defense reference the passage in Thessalonians which says the gifts of miracles, teaching, etc will cease when the perfect day (i.e. eternity) comes but that love will remain.
If your perfect day has already come to make the performance of miracles unnecessary, then why doesn't your teaching and evangelism as stop since they are equally listed among the things that will not last into the perfect day?
And these are the people who claim superior knowledge of the scriptures.

It is evil to boast of knowledge which is accurate. But it is simply demonic to boast of knowledge when you don't even really have it.

The Bible is also against boasting about any acomplishment in the Christian race...as Ephesians 2: 8-9 clearly says as follows:

"For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it."
Therefore, any religious organization whose doctrine permits boasting about it is definitely a false religion. Such are not Christians. For the carnal and worldly minded, the true teachings of the Bible are difficult to live by, hence your decision to create your own translation of the Bible which deliberately distorts these hard teachings to those which suit your carnal and earthly desires.

As for the other parts of your watery self defense: the bearing of titles is not forbidden anywhere in the scriptures. In fact 1 Timothy 3:1-2 even permits brethren to aspire to Leadership position titled "Bishop". So your organization's aversion to it is therefore just in pursuit of its vainglorious quest to outwardly appear different from others just for the sake of deceiving the spiritually gullible.
The 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 you referenced doesn't have anything to do with titles issue. Paul in all his letters to churches in Asia always introduced himself as an Apostle of the Lord. That is a title for you. It is same as Pastor, Bishop, etc and are meant for identity purposes. If it were a form of boasting Paul wouldn't have ever given himself the title 'Apostle'. Only in your carnal minded organization does such translate to self exaltation above others.
And above all, all these appologetics you are doing are likely to become invalid in the nearest future when the body of 8 men in New York update your organization's interpretations of all these verses you currently reference here and there. By that time you will start singing a different tune from the ones you currently sing.

We all saw it here how your 8 New York elders initially told you that nothing was wrong with celeberaton of Christmas, but later declared the same festival evil many years later after a lot of your members had lived and died with the previous belief. Who will be responsible for their souls if they don't make the 'paradise' on account of that belief assuming the new one is actually from God while the old one is of the devil as you want people to believe?

You're really trying Sir!

TATIME:
You're really trying Sir!

I am always ready for you people. I will never allow you have your way here with your organization's false teachings and distortion of Bible verses. My next responses will now dwell on digging up the ugly historical deeds of the Watchtower Society.

Deadlytruth:
Lies and truth can only be established on the precepts of the Bible. So as long as you can't prove me wrong based on the scriptures, all your attempt to create the impression that I am lying is self delusion

Jehovah's Witnesses, according to Awake magazine, meet up with their expenses by imposing compulsory donation of investments on their members. They also rely on asking for donations from even outsiders whom they label apostates. Ironically they don't join others in prayes because, according to them, they don't yet believe in the same god to whom the prayers will be directed. But when it comes to asking those 'apostates' for donation, they forget that those outsiders don't also yet believe in the same god whose message they want to use the donations to propagate.
Jesus never asked for donations towards his ministry from those who had not accepted his messages. Even though he could read people's minds and know who really was planning to be his convert soon, he didn't still capitalize on that to ask such for donations. He rather spent money on those whom he was evangelizing. Genuine Christians never take from unbelievers under any excuse. They rather give to unbelievers and the society at large. In 2 Corinthians 12:14, Paul said to even the believers in Corinth, "It is you I want, not your money'. Then how much more should true Christians be wary of unbelievers' moneys and donations ? Likewise, the Pentecostals and Orthodox Churches never ask unbelievers or non members for donations towards their mission when they go out to enangelize. They would rather win converts by identifying the needy unbeliever and get their Churches to assist him first before further preaching to him as Christians are asked to do in the book of James.
But your organization does the opposite to this by never rendering help to unbelievers at first it even second encounter, but demands for their donations towards their ministry without even caring to first find out how they are surviving. That definitely can't be of God. Never!

Deadlytruth your moniker says it all.
"Jehovah's witnesses meet up their expenses by imposing voluntary donations on their members.
They also rely on asking for donations even from outsiders whom they label apostates"
Oturugbeke!!!
What a lying, bigoted clown!

Pharisee dey form Christian , misquoted matt10:3-15 , & rejected Jesus instructions to preach from house to house.
vs11 -14 "As you enter the home , give it your greeting... if anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town"

Is this Pharisee normal?

Deadlytruth:
Stop deceiving yourself. "I don't like" simply is the negation of "I like" which is same as "I hate".
I am not pained that the OP saw anything that impressed him about you.
I understand you people are always looking for the approval of men.
People do express being impressed with moslems and the simplicity of their modes of worship which attracts converts to it hence it is the fastest growing religion in the world. But that doesn't automatically translate to it being the Organization of God. And the moslems themselves don't even salivate over such commendation.
It actually smacks of inferiority complex to always relish commendations from the world. .

U can not read the OP's mind, neither can u impose your bigotry on him.

If ,in your bigoted opinion JWs "always relish commendations from the world" is your problem, that's a red flag....

Of a truth u have serious self esteem issues.
Bully like u dey vex say person dey praise him fellow man wey u hate.
Hhmmm

Deadlytruth:
I am always ready for you people. I will never allow you have your way here with your organization's false teachings and distortion of Bible verses. My next responses will now dwell on digging up the ugly historical deeds of the Watchtower Society.

You're not the first and you can't be the last person that's fighting against the TRUTH!
When Jesus started Christianity, He made us understand that deceitful workers always dwell on bad reports that's based on rumours about good people, but honest hearted individuals are Jesus' friends so they'll search for the TRUTH, know it and the TRUTH will set them free from rumours and blackmailers.
Jehovah's Witnesses are performing EXCELLENTLY in virtuous works globally today so my friend go and learn from Jesus' statement, He said "a GOOD tree will NEVER produce routine FRUITS and a BAD tree will NEVER produce good FRUITS" Matthew 7:16-19
So it's not how far but how well,
* Jesus was reported by the first century religious title holders as a CULTIST. Matthew 10:25,12:24-27
* They tried to erase His activities from people's minds.Acts 5:28
* They raised a lot of rumours and bad reports about Jesus and His followers. Matthew 26:59-62
* They kept raising touts against Christians. Acts 17:5-9
So my friend all your agitations is FUTILE because the OP has spoken his own mind and it's left to sincere persons to investigate EACH PERSON for himself/herself NOT you or any other blackmailers can stop people from IDENTIFYING true Christianity! Matthew 7:24-27 If God's holy spirit has moved someone to utter statements that can help people to reason, you're the tiniest thing to come out and block their minds! Isaiah 54:17