irukandji89:






It should be your business if you will quote me.
This Hadith is portraying our prophet to be hypersexual, sleeping with 9 wives in one night.

And that he does it every night.

And you're saying it doesn't contradict another one that also says he prays every night for long hours till his feet become swollen.

How long will someone stand till his feet become swollen?


How many hours was he spending with his wives or was it an orgy?

I believe the Hadith about him sleeping with all his wives in one night is fake, and should be discarded.

It's a disgusting account.

This hadith by Anas Ibn Malik is very fake and must be discarded. It is not possible for a man to sleep with 9 woman in one night. I wonder why they included this stuff in the hadith.

This is to show that sahih Bukhari is not completely sahih; there are many wrong stuffs in there.

true2god:
This hadith by Anas Ibn Malik is very fake and must be discarded. It is not possible for a man to sleep with 9 woman in one night. I wonder why they included this stuff in the hadith.

This is to show that sahih Bukhari is not completely sahih; there are many wrong stuffs in there.

And you will see morons defending it because they've idolized sahih Bukhari. What is authentic in Sahih Bukhari is less than 10%. It has been established beyond reasonable doubt that sahih Bukhari was not written or compiled by the acclaimed Imam Bukhari. Besides, the book passed through series of distortion from the first version compiled about 150 years after the death of Imam Bukhari (the supposed author) till the 9 volumes versions we have in our possession today.


# How is it possible for Prophet to sleep with 9 or 11 women within 1 hour? That means he spent 5 minutes 4 seconds with each women: no pre-intimacy, no clean up or ghusl, he just jumped from one woman to the other in that state of najazat (impurity)

Apart from the fact that the so-called hadith is FAKE NEWS, it completely contradicted several ahadith from the wives of the Prophet which clearly state that each wife has her own time/night with the Prophet.


# That is how another fake hadith claimed Prophet Sulayman slept with 60, 70, 90, 100 women (as stated.by different contradictory versions) in one night and he REFUSED to say "in sha Allah"; therefore, none of those women bore him child except one who bore him a deformed child. All these nonsensical nonsense are recorded by "Sahih Bukhari" and morons will continue defending them.

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And you will see morons defending it because they've idolized sahih Bukhari. What is authentic in Sahih Bukhari is less than 10%. It has been established beyond reasonable doubt that sahih Bukhari was not written or compiled by the acclaimed Imam Bukhari. Besides, the book passed through series of distortion from the first version compiled about 150 years after the death of Imam Bukhari (the supposed author) till the 9 volumes versions we have in our possession today.


# How is it possible for Prophet to sleep with 9 or 11 women within 1 hour? That means he spent 5 minutes 4 seconds with each women: no pre-intimacy, no clean up or ghusl, he just jumped from one woman to the other in that state of najazat (impurity)

You blew my mind today Al-Baqir, so sahihul Bukhari was not written by Imam Bukhari, never knew,,, hmm always learning knew things.

true2god:
This hadith by Anas Ibn Malik is very fake and must be discarded. It is not possible for a man to sleep with 9 woman in one night. I wonder why they included this stuff in the hadith.

This is to show that sahih Bukhari is not completely sahih; there are many wrong stuffs in there.

See this man speaks like muslim lately. You are so close to muslims now than before. You know deep down your heart Islam is the truth. You just trying to hold on to the shell on the other side. Drop that shell, buddy.

AlBaqir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFi_UgEo8DM

spiritualmubi

Empiree:
See this man speaks like muslim lately. You are so close to muslims now than before. You know deep down your heart Islam is the truth. You just trying to hold on to the shell on the other side. Drop that shell, buddy.

You are being delusional. I open my mind to a rational discussion and never again blinded by religious dogma. We are all human beings being artificially separated by religion.

true2god:
You are being delusional. I open my mind to a rational discussion and never again blinded by religious dogma. We are all human beings being artificially separated by religion.

so you are admitting that in the days of ifeann you were dogmatic and hating Islam for no apparent reason

Empiree:
so you are admitting that in the days of ifeann you were dogmatic and hating Islam for no apparent reason

What do you mean by the bolded, in the days of ifeann?

true2god:
What do you mean by the bolded, in the days of ifeann?

you no longer remember Finland Igbo lady yrs ago?

Empiree:
you no longer remember Finland Igbo lady yrs ago?

Oh I do remember. That was some years back before the Islamic section was moved away from public access.

true2god:
Oh I do remember. That was some years back before the Islamic section was moved away from public access.

so you are now a reformed "moderate Christian"?

Empiree:
so you are now a reformed "moderate Christian"?

You are right bro.

AlBaqir:
4. DID ALLAH FORGOT THERE WERE HANDICAPPED?

Imam Bukhari documents:

Narrated Al-Bara:

When the Verse:--"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home)," (4.95) was revealed, the Prophet said, "Call so-and-so." That person came to him with an ink-pot and a wooden board or a shoulder scapula bone. The Prophet (s) said (to him), "Write: ' Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah." Ibn Um Maktum who was sitting behind the Prophet (s) then said, "O Allah's Messenger (s)! I am a blind man." So there was revealed in the place of that Verse, the Verse:--" Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury, or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah." (4.95)


USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 118
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4594
https://sunnah.com/urn/42730

We sought Allah's refuge from such nonsense.

You keep doing the same thing every time, your mission is to attack the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) but unfortunately for you, your deceit cum ignorance can easily be seen even for a layman! I was expecting by now, the narrations you would have presented would have been in the hundreds, but alas! Just 14?! 14 narrations which if we start analyzing from proper Islamic and academic approach, would be found to be sound, in fact some of these hadiths had already been properly explained on this section. To point one of your deceit, or to better put, ignorance, is the above narration of a blind sahabah asking about his plight during revelation...Allah (SWT) Says in the Qur'an:

“O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”

[al-Maa’idah 5:101]

It is well known that the revelation of the Qur'an through 23 years dealt with real issues affecting the Muslims, people came to the Prophet (SAW) asked questions, and revelation comes to address them, I guess you think the Qur'an was revealed to address aliens issues right or you were never taught part of the wisdom of 23 years for revelation?! Let me remind you another verse which you often quote when it suits you:

Allah (SWT) Says:

“Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Walee (protector or guardian) nor any helper.”

[al-Baqarah 2:106-107]

I guess this also means Allah (SWT), in your own words, forgets?! I just hope you really understand sincerely the implications of your deeds on here, whatever you think you want to gain here wouldn't help you in any way on the day you account for them!

Salam.

true2god:
You are right bro.

I sensed that

sino:


your mission is to attack the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) but



Let me remind you another verse which you often quote when it suits you:

Allah (SWT) Says:

“Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

# I will only respond to two sensible points highlighted above. You can keep other stories to yourself

1. Fighting "Sunnah" of the Prophet? You mean the fabrications and lies concocted in Sahih Bukhari?

It is only when people like you cannot handle real issues that you go pathetic and fume such senseless talk. Note that Sunnah of the Prophet had been established ever before ANY BOOK OF HADITH or sahih Bukhari was compiled (more than a century before his alleged author.).

Books of hadith or ahadith attributed to the Prophet, in them are not Sunnah of the Prophet o. Sunnah of the Prophet are living traditions transmitted practically from one generation to the other. And any hadith that contradict Qur'an, other more authentic hadith and aql (guided intellect) can never be from the Prophet not to mention of being part of his Sunnah.


2. As per the ayah of nasikh wa mansukh, both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to `Uthman bin `Affan (while he was collecting the Qur'an) regarding the Verse:-- "Those of you who die and leave wives ..." (2.240) "This Verse was abrogated by an other Verse. So why should you write it? (Or leave it in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "O son of my brother! I will not shift anything of it from its place."


USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 53Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4530
 https://sunnah.com/urn/42080

This is the consensus of all ulama - be it Shia or Sunni - both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.
So, help us out and bring the initial verse that do not mentioned handicapped? We can only see what is in the Qur'an which mention handicaps. Lobatan.

^^^

I don't even believe any ayah of Quran was abrogated. As reported above, if Uthman(ra) said he would not shift anything ayah from their place it means they are valid till Qiyamah. Which means, abrogation or cancellation of ayah is taking about previous Divine Laws (Tawrat and Injil) for examples.

AlBaqir:


# I will only respond to two sensible points highlighted above. You can keep other stories to yourself

1. Fighting "Sunnah" of the Prophet? You mean the fabrications and lies concocted in Sahih Bukhari?

It is only when people like you cannot handle real issues that you go pathetic and fume such senseless talk. Note that Sunnah of the Prophet had been established ever before ANY BOOK OF HADITH or sahih Bukhari was compiled (more than a century before his alleged author.).

Books of hadith or ahadith attributed to the Prophet, in them are not Sunnah of the Prophet o. Sunnah of the Prophet are living traditions transmitted practically from one generation to the other. And any hadith that contradict Qur'an, other more authentic hadith and aql (guided intellect) can never be from the Prophet not to mention of being part of his Sunnah.


2. As per the ayah of nasikh wa mansukh, both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to `Uthman bin `Affan (while he was collecting the Qur'an) regarding the Verse:-- "Those of you who die and leave wives ..." (2.240) "This Verse was abrogated by an other Verse. So why should you write it? (Or leave it in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "O son of my brother! I will not shift anything of it from its place."


USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 53Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4530
 https://sunnah.com/urn/42080

This is the consensus of all ulama - be it Shia or Sunni - both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.
So, help us out and bring the initial verse that do not mentioned handicapped? We can only see what is in the Qur'an which mention handicaps. Lobatan.

But if you believe the Qur'an is not abrogated why where you arguing about the story of Musa and Al-khidr A.S.

najib632:
But if you believe the Qur'an is not abrogated why where you arguing about the story of Musa and Al-khidr A.S.

# There is nowhere I wrote there are no abrogated and abrogating verses in the Qur'an. My point is that both verses (abrogated and abrogating) MUST be in the Qur'an; not that one will be and the other missing. That is what make me reject the saying of Umar that there is or used to be "verse of stoning" in the Qur'an. And ahlu Sunnah scholars claimed that "verse" has been "erased"

# Second, which story of Prophet Musa and Prophet Khidr did you accused me of "arguing against"? That the later killed an innocent boy? If that is it, interpretation and understanding is where we differ. Qur'an, lafzan remains the same.

Empiree:
^^^

I don't even believe any ayah of Quran was abrogated. As reported above, if Uthman(ra) said he would not shift anything ayah from their place it means they are valid till Qiyamah. Which means, abrogation or cancellation of ayah is taking about previous Divine Laws (Tawrat and Injil) for examples.

Some ayah in the quran were cancelled (sahih bukhari 4:52:69 and sahih bukhari 3:31:170). These ayah were 'revealed' but was later cancelled hence cannot be found in the quran.

The abrogated and the new ayah are all still in the quran. Abrogated verse: revealed in mecca (surah al-baqara 2:256) and 'new' verse: revealed in medina (quran 9:28-30). Surah 9 is the last surah in the quran which strengthened or abrogated former surah.

AlBaqir:


# There is nowhere I wrote there are no abrogated and abrogating verses in the Qur'an. My point is that both verses (abrogated and abrogating) MUST be in the Qur'an; not that one will be and the other missing. That is what make me reject the saying of Umar that there is or used to be "verse of stoning" in the Qur'an. And ahlu Sunnah scholars claimed that "verse" has been "erased"

# Second, which story of Prophet Musa and Prophet Khidr did you accused me of "arguing against"? That the later killed an innocent boy? If that is it, interpretation and understanding is where we differ. Qur'an, lafzan remains the same.

Ok if it's interpretation that varies, that's fine then. I thought you were falsifying the verse.

AlBaqir:


# I will only respond to two sensible points highlighted above. You can keep other stories to yourself

1. Fighting "Sunnah" of the Prophet? You mean the fabrications and lies concocted in Sahih Bukhari?

It is only when people like you cannot handle real issues that you go pathetic and fume such senseless talk. Note that Sunnah of the Prophet had been established ever before ANY BOOK OF HADITH or sahih Bukhari was compiled (more than a century before his alleged author.).

Books of hadith or ahadith attributed to the Prophet, in them are not Sunnah of the Prophet o. Sunnah of the Prophet are living traditions transmitted practically from one generation to the other. And any hadith that contradict Qur'an, other more authentic hadith and aql (guided intellect) can never be from the Prophet not to mention of being part of his Sunnah.

We both know what I mean, this is not the first time we are engaging on issues like this, but one thing is certainly clear, your deceit cum ignorance!

AlBaqir:

2. As per the ayah of nasikh wa mansukh, both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to `Uthman bin `Affan (while he was collecting the Qur'an) regarding the Verse:-- "Those of you who die and leave wives ..." (2.240) "This Verse was abrogated by an other Verse. So why should you write it? (Or leave it in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "O son of my brother! I will not shift anything of it from its place."


USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 53Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4530
 https://sunnah.com/urn/42080

This is the consensus of all ulama - be it Shia or Sunni - both abrogated and abrogating verses MUST be part of the Qur'an.
So, help us out and bring the initial verse that do not mentioned handicapped? We can only see what is in the Qur'an which mention handicaps. Lobatan.

Always shifting the goal post when exposed, na your way! I didn't quote the verses of the Qur'an to talk about some fictitious consensus, the verse of the Qur'an is clear, Allah (SWT) Says: “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

What does "or cause to be forgotten" means Mr. intellect?! If abrogated verses must be in the Qur'an, what about the verse(s) caused to be forgotten?! My question about the verse was, did it also mean that Allah (SWT) forgets (audhubillah min dhalik!), since Allah (SWT) had to reveal another verse to nullify a previously revealed verse?!

Now back to your claim about the hadith in question, I first quoted a verse that permits companions to ask questions during revelation so as to make things clear, you ignored that... Again the narration explicitly stated the revelation was revealed to INCLUDE further clarification (so as to placate the blind man's worries), which normally was inherent in the first revelation. If I tell a group of students to run, and I know that one of them is handicapped, you don't need to be told that the handicapped is exempted, but for clarification, especially seeing the protest by the handicapped student, I would have to tell the student that he is definitely exempted! But in your quest to find fault where there is none, you claim that the narration meant that Allah (SWT) forgot (audhubillah min dhalik!)

This is your deceit and ignorance, it always manifest when you attack the sunnah!

sino:


We both know what I mean, this is not the first time we are engaging on issues like this, but one thing is certainly clear, your deceit cum ignorance!



Always shifting the goal post when exposed, na your way! I didn't quote the verses of the Qur'an to talk about some fictitious consensus, the verse of the Qur'an is clear, Allah (SWT) Says: “Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

What does "or cause to be forgotten" means Mr. intellect?! If abrogated verses must be in the Qur'an, what about the verse(s) caused to be forgotten?! My question about the verse was, did it also mean that Allah (SWT) forgets (audhubillah min dhalik!), since Allah (SWT) had to reveal another verse to nullify a previously revealed verse?!

Now back to your claim about the hadith in question, I first quoted a verse that permits companions to ask questions during revelation so as to make things clear, you ignored that... Again the narration explicitly stated the revelation was revealed to INCLUDE further clarification (so as to placate the blind man's worries), which normally was inherent in the first revelation. If I tell a group of students to run, and I know that one of them is handicapped, you don't need to be told that the handicapped is exempted, but for clarification, especially seeing the protest by the handicapped student, I would have to tell the student that he is definitely exempted! But in your quest to find fault where there is none, you claim that the narration meant that Allah (SWT) forgot (audhubillah min dhalik!)

This is your deceit and ignorance, it always manifest when you attack the sunnah!

On the bolded, if the companions were permitted to ask questions when revelations were being given, that meant that the quran was subject to human interference hence cannot be from God, or that the quran is from both God and man (since man can influence what should be revealed, in the case of the blind man).

God can of course pre-determine circumstances before giving his revelation without waiting for human input before taking decisions. I don't buy your argument bro. As a non-Muslim putting on the Islamic shoe here, that hadith is surely a fabricated one.

true2god:
On the bolded, if the companions were permitted to ask questions when revelations were being given, that meant that the quran was subject to human interference hence cannot be from God, or that the quran is from both God and man (since man can influence what should be revealed, in the case of the blind man).

God can of course pre-determine circumstances before giving his revelation without waiting for human input before taking decisions. I don't buy your argument bro. As a non-Muslim putting on the Islamic shoe here, that hadith is surely a fabricated one.

Trust me Sir, it is better for you to learn Islam from the orthodox creed so that you will have a better understanding. Yes Allah knows everything that will happen before it happens and after it does, but revealing the Qur'an an illiterate messenger(Muhammad S.A.W) and encouraged memorization as these were the best ways to preserve it. The Jews and Christians succeeded in changing their scriptures because they were mostly written and not memorized. Also another reason for revealing verses one at a time was for us to have a hadith, a tafsir or a spiritual connection to the verse, the Qur'an is the Last testament, and Islam is the final creed so out of the justice of Allah S.W.T. He had to teach the Sahaba many things so that they will pass it on to the future generations and these teachings can be applied until the last generations.

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Albaqir gives you something to ponder on and reveals in his posts what an average Nigerian Muslim might not have come across in his/her years of practising Islam; but for our abject divisions along the line of sectarianism his posts, unfortunately, would be deemed agenda-pushing however honest they may seem.
It's a sad reality for us, Muslims.

true2god:
On the bolded, if the companions were permitted to ask questions when revelations were being given, that meant that the quran was subject to human interference hence cannot be from God, or that the quran is from both God and man (since man can influence what should be revealed, in the case of the blind man).

God can of course pre-determine circumstances before giving his revelation without waiting for human input before taking decisions. I don't buy your argument bro. As a non-Muslim putting on the Islamic shoe here, that hadith is surely a fabricated one.

If you ask me a question and I provide answers, does that mean that the answers are from you?!

If I am to provide a guide for you (in real time) as you navigate your path in a jungle for instance, is it logical that you would ask me questions and I should provide answers?! Does these answers come from both of us?! Who is the guide and who is being guided?! Does your questions interfere in the fact that I am the one providing the guidance?! Does your interference or influence takes away the fact that I already know the answers and I am just attending to your needs as it comes?!

The Qur'an was revealed for 23 years addressing different issues some of which includes providing guidance to issues early Muslims faced. The Qur'an is meant for mankind, the practicality and the reality we face. It wasn't revealed at once for the early Muslims to figure out as they lived their lives, rather, they had the rare opportunity to experience the practicality of divine revelation, so that we can learn, apply accordingly and not make silly excuses that the guidance is impracticable!

As already explained, the question the blind man asked was for clarification, strengthening the fact that you are indeed allowed to ask questions in Islam, as well as the practicability of revealed knowledge and wisdom.

I am sorry but you do not have the requisite knowledge to "put your mouth" in this issue, let alone give a verdict on the authenticity of any hadith!

najib632:
Trust me Sir, it is better for you to learn Islam from the orthodox creed so that you will have a better understanding. Yes Allah knows everything that will happen before it happens and after it does, but revealing the Qur'an an illiterate messenger(Muhammad S.A.W) and encouraged memorization as these were the best ways to preserve it. The Jews and Christians succeeded in changing their scriptures because they were mostly written and not memorized. Also another reason for revealing verses one at a time was for us to have a hadith, a tafsir or a spiritual connection to the verse, the Qur'an is the Last testament, and Islam is the final creed so out of the justice of Allah S.W.T. He had to teach the Sahaba many things so that they will pass it on to the future generations and these teachings can be applied until the last generations.

You are preaching and not making a logical case for your argument and you seem to be deviating into a Muslim-Christian debate. Most of us are not here to listen to preaching.

The crust of the matter here is that an hadith was deemed fabricated because it was narrated that a blind man raised an objection which made the prophet to modify the 'revelation' in order to protect the concern of the man. If this hadith is pronounced 'sahih', that means that Allah's revelation is subject to human interference, and if this hadith is not sahih, we can then conclude that the hadith is fabricated. Whichever way, both contrary opinion cannot be true.

And again, it is a known fact that many hadith has been proven to be fabricated, which means that this hadith in question can also be fabricated. Can I ask you a simple question? Do you believe that Allah can change his mind to accommodate human concern?

sino:


If you ask me a question and I provide answers, does that mean that the answers are from you?!

If I am to provide a guide for you (in real time) as you navigate your path in a jungle for instance, is it logical that you would ask me questions and I should provide answers?! Does these answers come from both of us?! Who is the guide and who is being guided?! Does your questions interfere in the fact that I am the one providing the guidance?! Does your interference or influence takes away the fact that I already know the answers and I am just attending to your needs as it comes?!

The Qur'an was revealed for 23 years addressing different issues some of which includes providing guidance to issues early Muslims faced. The Qur'an is meant for mankind, the practicality and the reality we face. It wasn't revealed at once for the early Muslims to figure out as they lived their lives, rather, they had the rare opportunity to experience the practicality of divine revelation, so that we can learn, apply accordingly and not make silly excuses that the guidance is impracticable!

As already explained, the question the blind man asked was for clarification, strengthening the fact that you are indeed allowed to ask questions in Islam, as well as the practicability of revealed knowledge and wisdom.

I am sorry but you do not have the requisite knowledge to "put your mouth" in this issue, let alone give a verdict on the authenticity of any hadith!

You are subjecting (or comparing) divine revelation to human interference which is a wrong comparison. If you read the sirah rasool allah by ibn Ishaq page 550 (this story was also narrated by Abu Dawood hadith 38: 4346), one of the scribes who wrote the koran, by name Abdullah ibn Sarr Ibn Abi Sarh, had the same issue and almost lost his life for that. In Islam, under no circumstances is human interference permissible in the course of quranic revelation. Or are you saying the blind man was asking for clarification from the prophet on the course of the revelation and yet could not influence the outcome (which he certainly did in this case)?

On the bolded, I am not sure you are an Islamic scholar either. Your argument seems one-sided and sentimental.

true2god:
You are preaching and not making a logical case for your argument and you seem to be deviating into a Muslim-Christian debate. Most of us are not here to listen to preaching.

The crust of the matter here is that an hadith was deemed fabricated because it was narrated that a blind man raised an objection which made the prophet to modify the 'revelation' in order to protect the concern of the man. If this hadith is pronounced 'sahih', that means that Allah's revelation is subject to human interference, and if this hadith is not sahih, we can then conclude that the hadith is fabricated. Whichever way, both contrary opinion cannot be true.

And again, it is a known fact that many hadith has been proven to be fabricated, which means that this hadith in question can also be fabricated. Can I ask you a simple question? Do you believe that Allah can change his mind to accommodate human concern?

I agree the Hadith might be a fabricated Sahih, but you should still consider what I said, because I wasn't talking about the hadith I was explaining why the Qur'an was revealed in that format.

No one can ever interfer with the Will of Allah not even a prophet or a Messenger.

@Albaqir how can we find the original Sahih Al-Bukhari?

true2god:
Some ayah in the quran were cancelled (sahih bukhari 4:52:69 and sahih bukhari 3:31:170). These ayah were 'revealed' but was later cancelled hence cannot be found in the quran.

The abrogated and the new ayah are all still in the quran. Abrogated verse: revealed in mecca (surah al-baqara 2:256) and 'new' verse: revealed in medina (quran 9:28-30). Surah 9 is the last surah in the quran which strengthened or abrogated former surah.

Nonsense! The only one who could tell us that a verse of Qur'an was removed was prophet Muhammad (saw) himself. No one else has the authority.

So abrogations of verse that Quran is talking about refers to previous Books like your Bible and Torah.

true2god:
You are subjecting (or comparing) divine revelation to human interference which is a wrong comparison. If you read the sirah rasool allah by ibn Ishaq page 550 (this story was also narrated by Abu Dawood hadith 38: 4346), one of the scribes who wrote the koran, by name Abdullah ibn Sarr Ibn Abi Sarh, had the same issue and almost lost his life for that. In Islam, under no circumstances is human interference permissible in the course of quranic revelation. Or are you saying the blind man was asking for clarification from the prophet on the course of the revelation and yet could not influence the outcome (which he certainly did in this case)?

On the bolded, I am not sure you are an Islamic scholar either. Your argument seems one-sided and sentimental.

No, there is a difference between asking questions and revelation came down to answer and a fictitious claim about being the one writing your own words to be revelation! The blind man didn't claim to have received revelation, nor did he influence the outcome, he only asked a question and answers were provided through revelation. What is the purpose of having a Prophet amongst you if you cannot ask questions and get response via revelation?! Perhaps when you understand this, you would not keep trying to force your Christian propagandist views about the Qur'an and what you think is interference in the cause of revelation.

How do you want me to address your ignorance in claiming that a hadith is surely fabricated?! Are you now an Islamic scholar of hadith?!

This is for Sino.

I am posting on behalf of albaqir. He got caught by spambot. This was his reply to you.