Empiree:
Interesting. Never knew this alfa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Apalara

May Allah have mercy on him.

tintingz:
Are you now grasping straw or what?

We have over thousands of Gods in religions and cultures. Do you want me to start mentioning them?

Now answer the premise.

Grasping straw, Red herring or argument from ignorance na u sabi.

Na only Allaah i sabi fit be my God! Q.E.D

Rashduct4luv:


Don't confuse yourself. We do not regard everyone as Muslims. They are better regarded as marabout posing as a Muslim. We also have atheist posing as Christians/Muslims. In actuality, they are not Muslims.

In Summary:

Fortune telling throws one out of Islam.
It's either Islam or Idol worship and never both!

One man's idle worship is another man's true worship. Over 99% of Christians believe that the idea of kissing a stone, throwing stones at an imaginary devil, in Saudi Arabia is a form of idol worship while Muslims take it as a religious ritual. It all depends on the side of the camp you belong.

Rilwayne001:


What of the 3in1 God?

This is the topic: There's No God But Allah?

Rilwayne001:


I know.. I know. I deliberately asked that even though I know he'll deflect it. He's always being a closet atheist that passionately hate Islam. I'm sure Truthman2012 is somewhere doing same too. Or probably somewhere collecting tithe. That one appears to like money than anything.. Haha

The bolded is a lie; never an atheist and never hate Muslims. I am however against Mohammed and his sahabas for their savagery and ability to brainwash and deceive the medieval Arabs.

Empiree:
and malvisguy2012. Damn, we missed crazy ppl here. The way true2god sounds lately got me thinking where he stands between christianity and atheism

Never an atheist bro.

Empiree:
Alfa apalara

https://m.facebook.com/vgastuffs/photos/a.1003729839662240/1273108272724394/?type=3

What is the significant of all these?

najib632:
I am a Borgu from Kaima, Kwara state the name for the one true diety in my language is "Luda" and most of the time when our scholars are preaching they use the word, we swear by it, ask for a favour with and many more. If there was anything wrong with the word Islamic scholars would have preached against it already. We used to be a people that worshipped fire in the ancient times before Islam and also we had other lesser dieties like the god of calabash(hahaha! Crazy right), I never knew we even had other lesser dieties because of how profound Islam is amongst my people even though I heard there are still some that are pagans, but they're a different dialect(sister tribe). So your aim of saying it's impossible for a single Diety is demeaning, Ifa in the language of the Yoruba's can be considered as the word Allah, if they consider the word to represent the supreme God and the Islamic scholars from their tribe deem it fit, due to attributes the people consider their Supreme diety to have and also from the theological perspective of their culture they can replace the word Allah with Ifa, Just like my tribe does. The greek mythology of Zeus as their Supreme God is a very degrading and weak portrayal and hence Zeus cannot to be used as the word to replace Allah in their language, Just like how the Hausas discarded the word representing their supreme diety due to it's weakness. A tribe can also do that out of preference, Indian scholars use the word Allah even though they have their own word for it[It's not that blue god you see, some researchers have identified it to be the devil himself due to the symbolism of the serpent, and the occultic karbala Jews (may Allah's curse be upon them) use it.] You should do more research on occults before concluding your atheism and you will definitely see proof of the devil's handiwork against you. I will tell you once again watch the series titled the arrivals, download it from the internet from torrent sites, or YouTube(but some of the videos are deleted because of the evidence they contain)

Allah knows best.

You said so much without making yourselve clear enough.

Rashduct4luv:


Grasping straw, Red herring or argument from ignorance na u sabi.

Na only Allaah i sabi fit be my God! Q.E.D

So you have no logical reason or evidence Allah is the only existing true God? Lol what a delusion.

It's like saying na only Superman fit be my hero.

Keep on believing in your imaginary master.

tintingz:
So you have no logical reason or evidence Allah is the only existing true God? Lol what a delusion.

It's like saying na only Superman fit be my hero.

Keep on believing in your imaginary master.

Thanks.

Keep on living a fake life! At least i can boast anywhere that Allah is my Lord!

You will get your logical reason when you die.

true2god:
One man's idle worship is another man's true worship. Over 99% of Christians believe that the idea of kissing a stone, throwing stones at an imaginary devil, in Saudi Arabia is a form of idol worship while Muslims take it as a religious ritual. It all depends on the side of the camp you belong.

Same Christians kneel for graven image of Jesus & Mary and seek help from dead saints! The Christian book contains the old Testament that contains a lot of things done with the Tabernacle... So this is no Judgement. The Judgement without doubt is what our texts says about the black stone? About Allaah? About stoning the devil?

The truth is clear from falsehood!

Rashduct4luv:


Same Christians kneel for graven image of Jesus & Mary and seek help from dead saints! The Christian book contains the old Testament that contains a lot of things done with the Tabernacle... So this is no Judgement. The Judgement without doubt is what our texts says about the black stone? About Allaah? About stoning the devil?

The truth is clear from falsehood!

We are saying the same from different point of view. The shia Muslims also venerate their dead, like Imam Ali, Imam Hassan and the family of the prophet. Some of them even worship on their graves. This act, to the sunnis, is idol worship but to the shia it is ok.

The Catholics worship the saints and Mary, to other Christians it is idolatry but to the Catholics, they are merely reverencing the saints. So one man's idol worship is another man's righteous deed.

true2god:
You said so much without making yourselve clear enough.

What do you not understand Sir?

Rashduct4luv:


Thanks.

You're welcome

Keep on living a fake life! At least i can boast anywhere that Allah is my Lord!

Irony. Lol

I'm not living a fake life, I'm being honest in my position, there's no evidence of Allah existence talkless of other Gods, I've no reason to believe they exist, I lack the belief of their existence until they can be proven then I will believe. That's honesty.

You on the other hand are living in delusion, you can't even prove your God, you can't even give logical reason for his existence and discredit other Gods existence, you just worship him everyday for empty delusional reason.

You will get your logical reason when you die.

So it's death that proves Allah? What a messed up logic.

How you know you will meet Allah after you die still amaze me.

najib632:
What do you not understand Sir?

You have to paragraph each point so that your argument will be more coherent. If you can make you points in paragraphs, short and precise. Thanks.

true2god:
You have to paragraph each point so that your argument will be more coherent. If you can make you points in paragraphs, short and precise. Thanks.

Ok, here it is.

I am a Borgu from Kaima, Kwara state the name for the one true diety in my language is "Luda" and most of the time when our scholars are preaching they use the word, we swear by it, ask for a favour with and many more. If there was anything wrong with the word Islamic scholars would have preached against it already.

We used to be a people that worshipped fire in the ancient times before Islam and also we had other lesser dieties like the god of calabash(hahaha! Crazy right). I never knew we even had other lesser dieties because of how profound Islam is amongst my people even though I heard there are still some that are pagans, but they're a different dialect(sister tribe).

So your aim of saying it's impossible for a single Diety due to the presence of other gods in a culture is weak demeaning. Ifa in the language of the Yorubas can be considered as the word Allah, if they consider the word to represent the supreme diety among their gods and the Islamic scholars from their tribe deem it fit, due to attributes the people consider their Supreme diety to have and also from the theological perspective of their culture they can replace the word Allah with Ifa, Just like my tribe does. The greek mythology of Zeus as their Supreme God is a very degrading and a weak portrayal to be compared with Allah. Hence, Zeus cannot to be used as the word to replace Allah in their language, just like how the Hausas discarded the word representing their supreme diety due to it's weakness.

A tribe can also do that out of preference, Indian scholars use the word Allah even though they have their own word for it [It's not that blue god you see, some researchers have identified it to be the devil himself due to the symbolism of the serpent, and the occultic karbala Jews (may Allah's curse be upon them) use it].

The message that Allah sent his messengers and prophets with since the beginning of time is to worship Him alone without worshipping false gods. Almost all cultures have a Supreme diety but they associate partners in worship with Allah. The concept of going through someone to reach Allah is what humans have, So Islam has come to refute that notion of intermediaries and smaller gods with powers.

You should do more research on occults and you will definitely see proof of the devil's handiwork against mankind. I will tell you once again watch the series titled the arrivals, download it from the internet from torrent sites, or YouTube(but some of the videos are deleted because of the evidence they contain)

tintingz:
You're welcome

Irony. Lol

I'm not living a fake life, I'm being honest in my position, there's no evidence of Allah existence talkless of other Gods, I've no reason to believe they exist, I lack the belief of their existence until they can be proven then I will believe. That's honesty.

There's no evidence or science has never being able to prove it?
You don't believe in God so why disturb those who choose to believe

tintingz:
You on the other hand are living in delusion, you can't even prove your God, you can't even give logical reason for his existence and discredit other Gods existence, you just worship him everyday for empty delusional reason.

So it's death that proves Allah? What a messed up logic.

How you know you will meet Allah after you die still amaze me.

Wait a little! Stop the argument from ignorance!

Rashduct4luv:


There's no evidence or science has never being able to prove it?

Can you provide any empirical evidence that proves Allah?

You don't believe in God so why disturb those who choose to believe

Because you people also disturb us.

Wait a little! Stop the argument from ignorance!

Lol, is that argument from ignorance?

true2god:
One man's idle worship is another man's true worship. Over 99% of Christians believe that the idea of kissing a stone, throwing stones at an imaginary devil, in Saudi Arabia is a form of idol worship while Muslims take it as a religious ritual. It all depends on the side of the camp you belong.

The reason religions are just filled with delusions.

tintingz:
Can you provide any empirical evidence that proves Allah?

Because you people also disturb us.

Lol, is that argument from ignorance?

Read my Quote.

najib632:
Ok, here it is.

I am a Borgu from Kaima, Kwara state the name for the one true diety in my language is "Luda" and most of the time when our scholars are preaching they use the word, we swear by it, ask for a favour with and many more. If there was anything wrong with the word Islamic scholars would have preached against it already.

We used to be a people that worshipped fire in the ancient times before Islam and also we had other lesser dieties like the god of calabash(hahaha! Crazy right). I never knew we even had other lesser dieties because of how profound Islam is amongst my people even though I heard there are still some that are pagans, but they're a different dialect(sister tribe).

So your aim of saying it's impossible for a single Diety due to the presence of other gods in a culture is weak demeaning. Ifa in the language of the Yorubas can be considered as the word Allah, if they consider the word to represent the supreme diety among their gods and the Islamic scholars from their tribe deem it fit, due to attributes the people consider their Supreme diety to have and also from the theological perspective of their culture they can replace the word Allah with Ifa, Just like my tribe does.

Olorun is the supreme deity in the Yoruba religion, Ifa is a religion or philosophy of Orunmila (Odu Ifa). Ifa was replaced with Christianity and Islam when they came to Nigeria.

Now back to Olorun and Allah, these two Gods are not only different by name they are also totally different by attributes and their mythology.

You need to read about Olorun before making claims ignorantly.

The greek mythology of Zeus as their Supreme God is a very degrading and a weak portrayal to be compared with Allah. Hence, Zeus cannot to be used as the word to replace Allah in their language, just like how the Hausas discarded the word representing their supreme diety due to it's weakness.

Zeus is the supreme God and all other gods including the ancient greeks see him that way, whether his attributes is weak compare to your God is irrelevant, there are weak attributes about your God as well.

The Hausas didn't discarded their real God because of it weakness, it was because of the conquest of the Muslim jihadists.

A tribe can also do that out of preference, Indian scholars use the word Allah even though they have their own word for it [It's not that blue god you see, some researchers have identified it to be the devil himself due to the symbolism of the serpent, and the occultic karbala Jews (may Allah's curse be upon them) use it].

This is blasphemous to call other people's God a devil, Brahma is the supreme deity in Hinduism. Brahma is very different from Allah in every ways.

India scholars don't use Allah for Brahma, maybe some ignorant Muslim scholars. This same ignorance yoruba Muslim and Christians using Allah and Yahweh as Olorun.

The message that Allah sent his messengers and prophets with since the beginning of time is to worship Him alone without worshipping false gods.

This is highly a false claim. No messengers were sent to anywhere just some middle eastern men preaching about their deities.

Almost all cultures have a Supreme diety but they associate partners in worship with Allah. The concept of going through someone to reach Allah is what humans have, So Islam has come to refute that notion of intermediaries and smaller gods with powers.

All cultures have their own mythology about their Gods and it has nothing to do with Allah. Allah was just a local deity in a tribe in Saudi Arabia worshiped by Arab pagans.

Islam is not the only monotheistic religion, there are other monotheistic religions.

You should do more research on occults and you will definitely see proof of the devil's handiwork against mankind. I will tell you once again watch the series titled the arrivals, download it from the internet from torrent sites, or YouTube(but some of the videos are deleted because of the evidence they contain)

You believe in those conspiracies. Lol.

Religion is actually part of the problem with mankind, not some imaginary devil.

najib632:
Read my Quote.

You mean the bias nonsensical post above?

How does that post prove Allah, is that the empirical evidence? Lol.

true2god:
What is the significant of all these?

just to throw in some history. I found it interesting yesterday, especially that story of Apalara. I never heard of it before. That was incredible. It put into perspective and gives clue about missing radio presenter, Abdul Razak Gawat.

true2god:
Never an atheist bro.

Good to know

tintingz:
Olorun is the supreme deity in the Yoruba religion, Ifa is a religion or philosophy. It's nonsensical to claim Ifa is replaced with Allah. Ifa was replaced with Christianity and Islam when they came to Nigeria.

Now back to Olorun and Allah, these two Gods are not only different by name they are also totally different by attributes and their mythology.

You need to read about Olorun before making claims out of ignorance.

Zeus is the supreme God and all other gods and the ancient greeks see him that way, whether he's weak compare to your God is irrelevant, there are weak attributes about your God as well.

The Hausas didn't discarded their real God because of it weakness, it was because of the conquest of the Muslim jihadists.

This is blasphemous to call other people's God a devil, Brahma is the supreme deity in Hinduism. Brahma is very different from Allah in every ways.

India scholars don't use Allah for Brahma, maybe some ignorant Muslim scholars. This same ignorance yorubas using Allah as Olorun.

This is highly a false claim. No messengers was sent to anywhere just some middle eastern men preaching about thier deities.

All cultures have their own mythology about their Gods and it has nothing to do with Allah. Allah was just a local deity in a tribe in Saudi Arabia worshiped by Arab pagans.

Islam is not the only monotheistic religion, there are monotheistic religions.

You believe in those conspiracies. Lol.

Religion is actually part of the problem with mankind, not some imaginary devil.

I swear you act like you have a block head or something worsen in fact you're not open minded you ask questions in order to ridicule people, from my write up is it not obvious that I was trying to explain to you the concept of Allah in other Tribes? If the Islamic scholars from the Yoruba deem it fit as calling Allah, Olorun then I have no problem with that.

"Zeus is the supreme God and all other gods and the ancient greeks see him that way, whether he's weak compare to your God is irrelevant, there are weak attributes about your God as well. " - There's no weakness about Allah, you are here claiming logical today, the Angels will use it to taunt and torture you in the hereafter.


"The Hausas didn't discarded their real God because of it weakness, it was because of the conquest of the Muslim jihadists" - That's a lie the Hausas were Muslims before the Jihad of Usman bin Fodio R.A. They were not practising the correct Islam that's why the scholar took action. Your ignorance and arrogance misguided you.

"This is blasphemous to call other people's God a devil, Brahma is the supreme deity in Hinduism. Brahma is very different from Allah in every ways." - I was talking about Vishnu the blue god with a serpent around his neck.

"India scholars don't use Allah for Brahma, maybe some ignorant Muslim scholars. This same ignorance yorubas using Allah as Olorun." - What is your evidence that many Indian Islamic scholars don't use the word?

"This is highly a false claim. No messengers was sent to anywhere just some middle eastern men preaching about thier deities." - What are you even reading? The Persians had a prophet named Zoroastra A.S, The Indians had prophets, in some of their books there's a prophecy of the coming of Muhammad S.A.W, the Chinese too did and many other Tribes did have their prophets, with time their teachings were lost, twisted and some of them were Idolized by their people. Get your facts straight.

"All cultures have their own mythology about their Gods and it has nothing to do with Allah. Allah was just a local deity in a tribe in Saudi Arabia worshiped by Arab pagans." - It baffles me that you were once a Muslim for you to say this it shows that the devil targeted you by your ignorance. Common fundamental seerah you don't know you'll come here and be claiming versatile. SMH.

"Islam is not the only monotheistic religion, there are monotheistic religions." - Yes there are, but this is the religion of the final prophet Muhammad S.A.W, and he is prophesied in all monotheistic religions.

"You believe in those conspiracies. Lol. " - They're not conspiracies they're facts.

tintingz:
You mean the bias nonsensical post above?

How does that post prove Allah, is that the empirical evidence? Lol.

Allah is the word for Supreme God in Arabic it literally translates to "The God", Luda is the Supreme God in my language. So I can use which ever one I choose. I have stated facts, while you displayed your ignorance and arrogance as usual.

AlBaqir:


He seems to be lonely and desperately needs someone to "argue" with to double check his new beliefs. Very uncomfortable.

The thread is useless and uncalled for. Lots have been discussed here already:
https://www.nairaland.com/4641276/argument-possibility-necessity-does-god

To all so-called atheists (real and fake), the most important thing if at all they intend to argue is to discuss about EXISTENCE OF GOD. Someone that do not believe in existence of God, how would he believe in God's attributes (e.g wahdaniyyat - oneness of God)?

The guy simply intend to argue as a result of his mental instability. He's never sincere.

I told him to ease on his obsession with theism. It could kill him.

tintingz:
Can you provide any empirical evidence that proves Allah?

Because you people also disturb us.

Lol, is that argument from ignorance?

Wake up Taiwo! You are in a faith based section not a Science section!

And who is disturbing you? Am i not in the right section?

lanrexlan:
He can't live without mocking and ridiculing religious people and their beliefs. That's the foundation of his belief. That thread is an eye opener but he is not ready to learn. To him, he already knows and religious people are deluded. He and his folks are the ones walking upright! Pathetic.

I have told him something similar. An atheist worried about multiple gods. For example, I believe Esther is barren and can't give birth to a baby. Then, how will the questions: "When did Esther put to bed? " "What's the gender of the baby?" "What's the complexion of the baby? " be relevant? Asking such questions will make me look plain stupid. But, he just wanna argue.


It is insecurity. He is looking for means to validate his misguidance. It is obvious with his meaningless threads and jumping from religion section to Islam section. He is NEVER sincere with himself.

I have never taken him seriously. Everyone can see he's obsessed with theism. Ask him and his ilks to tell you about atheism, they'll give you zilch in return.
Imagine scientists writing about the shoddy practices in the banking in their peer-reviewed journals yearly and failing to tell us what science has got for us, who would take them seriously ?

Rilwayne001:


I know.. I know. I deliberately asked that even though I know he'll deflect it. He's always being a closet atheist that passionately hate Islam. I'm sure Truthman2012 is somewhere doing same too. Or probably somewhere collecting tithe. That one appears to like money than anything.. Haha

LOL!!!

Rilwayne001:


He's certainly not a true follower of Jesus. I'm sure of that. The Bible and Christianity has been exposed so much on the religion section for him to remain one. He's only here wishing and trying to make Islam appear usless like his Christianity is. He's on a futile mission with Taiwo.

The guy don fail already. Only fake atheists like tintingz would see sense in his facade.

Rilwayne001:
He's certainly not a true follower of Jesus. I'm sure of that. The Bible and Christianity has been exposed so much on the religion section for him to remain one. He's only here wishing and trying to make Islam appear usless like his Christianity is. He's on a futile mission with Taiwo.

aadoiza:

The guy don fail already. Only fake atheists like tintingz would see sense in his facade.

Ad hominem. You can make your point without attacking strawman. We are all here to learn one thing or the other and you don't need to divert. The subject is There's No God But Allah? and you can defend your beliefs with a convincing argument. I think I understand Islam than most of you.