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achorladey:
I was not making a case for ANYONE THAT CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN, You know why people accuse JWs of not being a Christian, It is because of this statement of yours......."Am a Christian. Identified as a Jehovah's witnesses due to the fulfilment of 1 Corinthians 11:9" (please check the scripture cited it does not seem to fit the knowledge you are passing across).


When this your words is rephrased this way as an example..........Am a Christian. Identified as Redeemed Christian congregation. How will you view such person?

A. a true christian based on the sense of the word "Christian"(PILLAR and SUPPORT of the TRUTH)

B. a false Christian simply based on the sense of your comment that such person is not Identified as Jehovah's Witnesses(the PILLAR and SUPPORT of TRUTH).

Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the only Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" does that mean Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians !? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Identify where you belong Ogbeni ; !?

Barristter07:
Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all Christians do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different"

Identify where you belong !?

So it is the view of Moslems that dictate the criteria for being a follower of Christ?
Moslems also chide Christianity over the belief that Jesus is the Son of God hence rhetorically ask what is the relationship between God and Mary if the Christian teaching that Jesus is the Son of God is a correct teaching. Now, I guess your organization'll also stop believing in the Sonship of Jesus so as to appear to Moslems that your are different, right?

Contrary to Christian belief that Jesus was cricifued and rose on the third day, Moslems rather believe that a supposed Son of God and a supposedly powerful saviour couldn't have been caught and killed so cheaply by the very people he came to save. In their eyes, this belief in the cricifixion of God's Son and mankind's saviour is as silly and illogical as the belief in Trinity. I guess your organization should also do away with the belief in Jesus' death so as to look different in the eyes of Moslems since all that matters to you people is just how to appear outwardly different to please moslems and other non-christians regardless of how unscriptural that element of outward appearance or difference might be.

Deadlytruth:
So it is the view of Moslems that dictate the criteria for being a follower of Christ?
Moslems also chide Christianity over the belief that Jesus is the Son of God hence rhetorically ask what is the relationship between God and Mary if the Christian teaching that Jesus is the Son of God is a correct teaching. Now, I guess your organization'll also stop believing in the Sonship of Jesus so as to appear to Moslems that your are different, right?

Contrary to Christian belief that Jesus was cricifued and rose on the third day, Moslems rather believe that a supposed Son of God and a supposedly powerful saviour couldn't have been caught and killed so cheaply by the very people he came to save. In their eyes, this belief in the cricifixion of God's Son and mankind's saviour is as silly and illogical as the belief in Trinity. I guess your organization should also do away with the belief in Jesus' death so as to look different in the eyes of Moslems since all that matters to you people is just how to appear outwardly different to please moslems and other non-christians regardless of how unscriptural that element of outward appearance or difference might be.

Highly irrelevant to the original thought!

Barristter07:
Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the only Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" does that mean Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians !? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Identify where you belong Ogbeni ; !?

I cor 11:7-10

7 A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[c] head, because of the angels.

You will put up a verse and shame will not allow you quote the verse. You are a very deceitful person. How does 1 cor 11:9 now translate to many sects springing up? How does it confirm your line of reasoning? Do you even read the verses you put up here?

Barristter07:
Highly irrelevant to the original thought!

The usual refrain when they are carpeted with their own logic.

Barristter07:
You definitely have hanged , your first post which I addressed on this aspect acknowledged Jesus is the truth. So why going back ?

The Center of this discussion was Jesus has a congregation and Without becoming a part of this congregation, THE Pillar and support of truth , you can never be said to be walking in the truth - 1John 2:19; 3John 3,4

Have you found this group of Christians, identify for us !?

Barristter07: You definitely have hanged , your first post which I addressed on this aspect acknowledged Jesus is the truth.


Achorladey: I only want you to restate the obvious, when you stated that initially the post was not meant for me

Barristter07:So why going back ?


Achorladey: I only want you to restate the obvious, when you stated that initially the post was not meant for me. So thanks for stating the obvious once again. Jesus is indeed the TRUTH.

Barristter07: The Center of this discussion was Jesus has a congregation

Achorladey: Very correct, 100% correct in fact Ephesians 5: 23 says Jesus is the HEAD of the CONGREGATION.

Barristter07: and Without becoming a part of THIS CONGREGATION,

Achorladey: Regarding "THIS CONGREGATION" from your comment above which is correct:

A. Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
B. Christian CONGREGATION
C The Redeemed Christian congregation of God
D. The Catholic CONGREGATION
E. The Christian CONGREGATION of every other denominations.


Barristter07: and Without becoming a part of this congregation
THE Pillar and support of truth you can never be said to be walking in the truth.

Achorladey: What you stated above will only be more than 100 percent correct based on your response to the question above. Apart from that, what did the scripture say concerning WALKING in the TRUTH?

Barristter07: - 1John 2:19; 3John 3,4

Achorladey: You should notice that I split these cited bible verses from your last statement. I had to do so because.......1 John 2:19 states They went out from us, but they were not of our sort, for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.

Who are the THEY that WENT OUT? Barristter07

3 John 3,4.... At least you know and have identified the TRUTH we all should keep WALKING INSIDE OF.

Barristter07: Have you found this group of Christians, identify for us?

Achorladey: You will get to know this GROUP the moment you answer the multiple choice question above.

Hairyrapunzel:
I cor 11:7-10

7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.

You will put up a verse and shame will not allow you quote the verse. You are a very deceitful person. How does 1 cor 11:9 now translate to many sects springing up? How does it confirm your line of reasoning? Do you even read the verses you put up here?

Same question I asked one of them on another thread. They just quote verses which don't even have any bearing at all with the topic in question. Talk of the effect of brainwashing by some 8 manipulation experts in Warwick.

Barristter07:
Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the only Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" does that mean Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians !? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Identify where you belong Ogbeni ; !?

Barristter07: Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Achorladey: Where will you have me kick start this from?

Barristter07: Your reasoning is faulty, no offense.

Achorladey: Of course my reasoning is FAULTY after evading the question up to the extent of not being able to HIGHLIGHT anything of note to prove the conclusion you arrived at. From LACK of COMPREHENSION to LACK of MEDITATION to REASONING is FAULTY. I don't think have seen the last of these.

Barristter07: Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples [b] and they will look similar

Achorladey: Indeed Jesus made mention of the above concerning HIS disciples.

Barristter07: 1 Cor 11:9

Achorladey: Do well to check the scripture you have cited, many follwing this thread had pointed this out.

Barristter07: Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian.

Achorladey: Is the "Christian CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" a sect of the CHRISTIAN CNGREGATION? Did the christian "congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" came down from HEAVEN?

Barristter07: This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those APPROVED

Achorladey: Hahahahahahaha, everyone will carry his or her own load whether Identified or not identified, referenced or not referenced. Regarding those APPROVED who determine or decides that in relation to the WHEAT and WEEDS illustration made by JESUS as cited by you in this post?

Barristter07: Okay, take this real life scene.

Achorladey: I hope the scene is Interesting.

Barristter07: A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23.

Achorladey: You mean the same Muslim that despise and detest the good news about the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ on behalf of all mankind. The same Muslim you that will not readily accept JESUS as the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE to GOD. Barristter07! As it is, the Muslim becomes an approver of TRUE Christian, I hope you don't eventually deny JESUS.

Barristter07: Someone now said "NOT ALL DO THAT, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the ONLY Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" DOES THAT MEAN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are not CHRISTIANS? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Achorladey: You said your a Christian previously do you want to RENOUNCE your christianship?
The scene in conclusion looks like someone trying to market JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES as a product.

Barristter07: Identify where you belong Ogbeni

Achorladey: You should have seen or identify that by now.

Barristter07:
Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Your reasoning is faulty, no offense. Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples and they will look similar,

- 1 Cor 11:9 Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian .


This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those approved

Okay, take this real life scene .

A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23

Someone now said " not all do that, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the only Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" does that mean Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians !? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Identify where you belong Ogbeni ; !?

See someone that says somebody should restart bible study interpreting 1 core 11:9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man

As saying it confirms many sects springing up. Lol.
Bible study instructor indeed.

You read the Scriptures to substantiate your convictions, not to be shaped into God’s image.
During the time of Jesus, no one knew more Scripture than the Pharisees. They studied the Scriptures relentlessly.

Modern-day Pharisees do the same. But they turn around and use the knowledge to convince others why they are wrong. The Bible is their personal weapon. Modern-day Pharisees use it to throw rocks at all the misguided, evil sinners in the world.

To modern-day Pharisees, the Scriptures are not a means to grow into the image of God. It is a means to convince the world of fallacies and misguided theology.

All Members of your Congregation act just like You. No one is allowed to be different.
Pharisees are exclusive. They pick and choose who enters the group. But Jesus never valued exclusivity. Just look at his chosen twelve. A tax collector (Matthew). A doctor (Luke). Fishermen (Peter and Andrew). A Zealot (Simon). That’s a conglomerate of guys from many different backgrounds.

So, look around at your group? Is it essentially a collection of men and women cut from the same mold?
For modern-day Pharisees, Christian living is not so much about transforming into the image of God. It is more about living up to the standard of God. And no one can live up to God’s standard. Except Jesus.

This is a Pharisee trademark. Before non-Christians can be considered “part of the group,” they must conform to a certain lifestyle. Stop all of the cursing and drinking. And stop doing all the stuff “bad people” do.

Once potential followers “fix their lives,” modern-day Pharisees gladly welcome these people into their family. Just don’t revert back to “sinning” again. Membership in the group is always conditional.

Instead of meeting people where they are, modern-day Pharisees force people to come up to their level. And until these people live up to the standard, they will be on the outside looking in.

You spend more time talking about what you are against, not what you are for.
Pharisee love to spend their time convincing others. If they had to list the actions and issues they are against, the pencil would run out of lead. But turn around and ask them to list what they are for? The pencil would not have to be re-sharpened.

Pharisees believe their job is to defend God and legislate morality. So they are against drinking, smoking, cursing, short skirts, talking back to parents, holding hands before marriage, and so on. And all of these things come before the gospel. Or maybe they are the gospel. Modern-day Pharisees can’t tell the difference.

You believe God actually needs you.
Modern-day Pharisees believe God needs them on His team. They believe God is dependent upon them.

Let me be real with the modern-day Pharisees. If God needs a human being for His church to survive, He is not a God worth serving. Or worshipping. Or following.
You think your salvation is based on your works, not on Jesus.
Modern-day Pharisees believe in their works. That’s why they love James 2:14-26. But they skirt around passages about grace. Oh, yeah. They believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. But they turn around and mock the cross by trying to earn their salvation.

FRUIT of the spirit is all i'm searching for!
Quoting scriptures was as easy as pap and moimoi for the Pharisees,Jesus also is a skilled teacher but the only difference is while the first party just keep teaching and teaching their followers without bearing the FRUIT,Jesus' followers were bearing the FRUIT of God's holy spirit!
Let everyone SEE the FRUIT or WORKS! Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:18-26
God bless us all!

achorladey:
Barristter07: Seems you need to restart your Bible study.

Achorladey: Where will you have me kick start this from?

Barristter07: Your reasoning is faulty, no offense.

Achorladey: Of course my reasoning is FAULTY after evading the question up to the extent of not being able to HIGHLIGHT anything of note to prove the conclusion you arrived at. From LACK of COMPREHENSION to LACK of MEDITATION to REASONING is FAULTY. I don't think have seen the last of these.

Barristter07: Jesus prophesied that a time will come when there Will be numerous weeds will be among his true disciples [b] and they will look similar

Achorladey: Indeed Jesus made mention of the above concerning HIS disciples.

Barristter07: 1 Cor 11:9

Achorladey: Do well to check the scripture you have cited, many follwing this thread had pointed this out.

Barristter07: Also confirms this saying many sects will sprang up. All claiming Christian.

Achorladey: Is the "Christian CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" a sect of the CHRISTIAN CNGREGATION? Did the christian "congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" came down from HEAVEN?

Barristter07: This is why each group need to be specially identified for easy reference in knowing those APPROVED

Achorladey: Hahahahahahaha, everyone will carry his or her own load whether Identified or not identified, referenced or not referenced. Regarding those APPROVED who determine or decides that in relation to the WHEAT and WEEDS illustration made by JESUS as cited by you in this post?

Barristter07: Okay, take this real life scene.

Achorladey: I hope the scene is Interesting.

Barristter07: A Muslim accused Christians {everyone} of worshiping Trinity, worshiping Jesus as God instead of the only true God - John 4:23.

Achorladey: You mean the same Muslim that despise and detest the good news about the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ on behalf of all mankind. The same Muslim you that will not readily accept JESUS as the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE to GOD. Barristter07! As it is, the Muslim becomes an approver of TRUE Christian, I hope you don't eventually deny JESUS.

Barristter07: Someone now said "NOT ALL DO THAT, Jehovah's witnesses for example are different , that's why they are the ONLY Christian I allowed". The man replied " really , I will listen to them too" DOES THAT MEAN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are not CHRISTIANS? How does the Name help show their adherence to Bible truths?

Achorladey: You said your a Christian previously do you want to RENOUNCE your christianship?
The scene in conclusion looks like someone trying to market JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES as a product.

Barristter07: Identify where you belong Ogbeni

Achorladey: You should have seen or identify that by now.

achorladey:
Barristter07: You definitely have hanged , your first post which I addressed on this aspect acknowledged Jesus is the truth.


Achorladey: I only want you to restate the obvious, when you stated that initially the post was not meant for me

Barristter07:So why going back ?


Achorladey: I only want you to restate the obvious, when you stated that initially the post was not meant for me. So thanks for stating the obvious once again. Jesus is indeed the TRUTH.

Barristter07: The Center of this discussion was Jesus has a congregation

Achorladey: Very correct, 100% correct in fact Ephesians 5: 23 says Jesus is the HEAD of the CONGREGATION.

Good
Tell your understanding of this congregation?

Who are your brothers ?

Act 28:14,15 says Paul met the brothers who came from even Seemingly long distance to encourage him on his way to Rome, they know him and he knows them - unity and uniqueness of belonging to the same congregation. .


Tell this thread, who are your brothers with whom you associate and can vouch to meet and identify one another anywhere ?

Barristter07: and Without becoming a part of THIS CONGREGATION,

Achorladey: Regarding "THIS CONGREGATION" from your comment above which is correct:

A. Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
B. Christian CONGREGATION
C The Redeemed Christian congregation of God
D. The Catholic CONGREGATION
E. The Christian CONGREGATION of every other denominations.

A. Above

Barristter07: and Without becoming a part of this congregation
THE Pillar and support of truth you can never be said to be walking in the truth.

Achorladey: What you stated above will only be more than 100 percent correct based on your response to the question above. Apart from that, what did the scripture say concerning WALKING in the TRUTH?

Identified.

Do identify yours , option B Is self deceit knowing fully well 1 Cor 11:19, be specific... Unless you can identify your brothers

Barristter07: - 1John 2:19; 3John 3,4

Achorladey: You should notice that I split these cited bible verses from your last statement. I had to do so because.......1 John 2:19 states They went out from us, but they were not of our sort, for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.

Who are the THEY that WENT OUT? Barristter07

3 John 3,4.... At least you know and have identified the TRUTH we all should keep WALKING INSIDE OF.

Barristter07: Have you found this group of Christians, identify for us?

Achorladey: You will get to know this GROUP the moment you answer the multiple choice question above.

" US " indicate they are a UNITED group. Not divided , and their been part of the " US " makes then a member of the congregation walking in the truth. You can't walk in the truth, when you can't recognize the Pillar and SUPPORT OF TRUTH - Fact

Going by 1Cor 11:19_ , where do you belong, !? WHO are your brothers ? Act 28:14,15

QnVee:
You spend more time talking about what you are against, not what you are for.
Pharisee love to spend their time convincing others. If they had to list the actions and issues they are against, the pencil would run out of lead. But turn around and ask them to list what they are for? The pencil would not have to be re-sharpened.

Pharisees believe their job is to defend God and legislate morality. So they are against drinking, smoking, cursing, short skirts, talking back to parents, holding hands before marriage, and so on. And all of these things come before the gospel. Or maybe they are the gospel. Modern-day Pharisees can’t tell the difference.

You believe God actually needs you.
Modern-day Pharisees believe God needs them on His team. They believe God is dependent upon them.

Let me be real with the modern-day Phahirisees. If God needs a human being for His church to survive, He is not a God worth serving. Or worshipping. Or following.
You think your salvation is based on your works, not on Jesus.
Modern-day Pharisees believe in their works. That’s why they love James 2:14-26. But they skirt around passages about grace. Oh, yeah. They believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. But they turn around and mock the cross by trying to earn their salvation.

CROSS!!! Just a tradition Sir.
The Bible encourages sincere,honest hearted,interested persons to MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Historical facts reveals that Roman's system of executing criminals was NOT on CROSSES but on STAKES! Meaning just on single pole not double Sir.
So Jesus was not CRUCIFIED but IMPALED!
But the churches have been lying to sincere souls all these centuries and it's time everyone knows the TRUTH that the tradition "CROSS" is from pagan origin!

QnVee:
All Members of your Congregation act just like You. No one is allowed to be different.
Pharisees are exclusive. They pick and choose who enters the group. But Jesus never valued exclusivity. Just look at his chosen twelve. A tax collector (Matthew). A doctor (Luke). Fishermen (Peter and Andrew). A Zealot (Simon). That’s a conglomerate of guys from many different backgrounds.

So, look around at your group? Is it essentially a collection of men and women cut from the same mold?
For modern-day Pharisees, Christian living is not so much about transforming into the image of God. It is more about living up to the standard of God. And no one can live up to God’s standard. Except Jesus.

This is a Pharisee trademark. Before non-Christians can be considered “part of the group,” they must conform to a certain lifestyle. Stop all of the cursing and drinking. And stop doing all the stuff “bad people” do.

Once potential followers “fix their lives,” modern-day Pharisees gladly welcome these people into their family. Just don’t revert back to “sinning” again. Membership in the group is always conditional.

Instead of meeting people where they are, modern-day Pharisees force people to come up to their level. And until these people live up to the standard, they will be on the outside looking in.

Fallacies with many loopholes.
That's what to expect from a gullible sheepie led by pastorpreneurs & all the gods of men 'oleys' of this world.


* "All Members of your Congregation act just like you"
Fallacy of generalization coming from a bigot.

"They pick & choose who enters the group"
* Jesus himself picked & choose
who became his disciples , it wasn't an all comers affair.

* "Before non Christians can be considered 'part of the group' to must conform to a certain lifestyle" shioor !
Jesus disapproved the rich young man who refused to conform to Jesus approved life style.

*Your pastorpreneurs & gods of men con men rubber stamped your anything goes life style ("no one can live up to God's standard " fallacy) as long as u pay your tithes religiously (from your premier bet money spinning lottery & shady biz , your 'u will make heaven' mantra is guaranteed), who cares?

*"Membership of the group is always conditional"
Jehovah no get righteous Standard? So , his servants/people no go get righteous standard?
(Membership of NBA, NMA ,NUJ, NSE/ COREN etc is always conditional. Stop deluding yourself).

For the same reason of Jesus disapproval of the rich young man.

QnVee:
You read the Scriptures to substantiate your convictions, not to be shaped into God’s image.
During the time of Jesus, no one knew more Scripture than the Pharisees. They studied the Scriptures relentlessly.

Modern-day Pharisees do the same. But they turn around and use the knowledge to convince others why they are wrong. The Bible is their personal weapon. Modern-day Pharisees use it to throw rocks at all the misguided, evil sinners in the world.

To modern-day Pharisees, the Scriptures are not a means to grow into the image of God. It is a means to convince the world of fallacies and misguided theology.

That's what to expect from a gullible follower of "My Pastor said" fables.
The satanic doctrines & "motivational fairytale" of your pastorpreneurs are more important to you than the sacred words of the holy scriptures.
Lol.


Man was "created in God's image" (irrevocable & sacrosanct) but u wan "grow into the image of God", (or rather,'image of your triune pagan gods.')
Follower of my pastor said fables.
U just dey do all this write up here to console yourself,because your pastorpreneurs' satanic doctrines were laid bare for all to see....
Do,do,do,do......

QnVee:
You spend more time talking about what you are against, not what you are for.
Pharisee love to spend their time convincing others. If they had to list the actions and issues they are against, the pencil would run out of lead. But turn around and ask them to list what they are for? The pencil would not have to be re-sharpened.

Pharisees believe their job is to defend God and legislate morality. So they are against drinking, smoking, cursing, short skirts, talking back to parents, holding hands before marriage, and so on. And all of these things come before the gospel. Or maybe they are the gospel. Modern-day Pharisees can’t tell the difference.

You believe God actually needs you.
Modern-day Pharisees believe God needs them on His team. They believe God is dependent upon them.

Let me be real with the modern-day Pharisees. If God needs a human being for His church to survive, He is not a God worth serving. Or worshipping. Or following.
You think your salvation is based on your works, not on Jesus.
Modern-day Pharisees believe in their works. That’s why they love James 2:14-26. But they skirt around passages about grace. Oh, yeah. They believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. But they turn around and mock the cross by trying to earn their salvation.

QnVee, why e dey pain u nau?
Pls don't "defend God", u can legislate immorality, get drunk, invent offensive/ taboo words, put on suggestive dressing/grooming, smoke coke, increase your body count b4/after marriage,insult your elders & so on....
Don't worry, u will make heaven.
Jesus prepared a mansion for u,next door to his.
Where he is, you will always be.


"you think your salvation is based on your works..."
Ananias & Saphira were greedy & deceitful, but they were punished & went to heaven.
Shebi u see am?

God gave u grace to be a gifted person....

Pls don't border to study for your next semesters exams ("Grace cover nau) or don't read/study anything related to the exam subjects.
Just fast & pray until the D-Day,U must make top spot above your peers.
Grace cover you nau....
Lol

QnVee:
Deut 4:2 KJV You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you nor take away from it that you may keep the commandments of the Lord.

2John 1:10 If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that bidders him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds.

Don't be brainwashed. All we need is scripture and no other publication to explain scripture to us. Wisdom and understanding is an annointing from God through reading the scriptures. If you have an annointing from God you don't need any man to teach you. The same annointing teaches you all things. Study to show thyself approved by precept upon precept.
Believing any other doctrine makes one a whoremonger and prostitute to false beliefs and false prophets. It's spiritual adultery and fornication. In that day it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah than these false prophets and their followers.
A JW told me if I didn't call Him by the name Jehovah my prayers would not be heard because that's his real name. The letter J is only 400 years old and can't be found in kjv 1611. Scripture was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Jehovah is Latin language. He is God, Elohim, El, Jah, El Shaddai, Yahweh, Yahuah, and many other names to different people.
If anyone thinks religion or denomination is going to matter in that day is being deceived. We must serve him in spirit (NOT FLESH) and in truth. [color=#770077][/color]

Qwantiinu to deceive yourself.

Janosky:
That's what to expect from a gullible follower of "My Pastor said" fables.
The satanic doctrines & "motivational fairytale" of your pastorpreneurs are more important to you than the sacred words of the holy scriptures.
Lol.


Man was "created in God's image" (irrevocable & sacrosanct) but u wan "grow into the image of God", (or rather,'image of your triune pagan gods.')
Follower of my pastor said fables.
U just dey do all this write up here to console yourself,because your pastorpreneurs' satanic doctrines were laid bare for all to see....
Do,do,do,do......

now lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
everyone knows that it's false jw's who are polytheist and believe in multiple gods
a almighty god father and a mighty god jesus

but truly Almighty and Mighty are two names-titles for the one true God

want scriptures again?

TATIME:
CROSS!!! Just a tradition Sir.
The Bible encourages sincere,honest hearted,interested persons to MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Historical facts reveals that Roman's system of executing criminals was NOT on CROSSES but on STAKES! Meaning just on single pole not double Sir.
So Jesus was not CRUCIFIED but IMPALED!
But the churches have been lying to sincere souls all these centuries and it's time everyone knows the TRUTH that the tradition "CROSS" is from pagan origin!

Human error bound historical records are to be used as validation for biblical accounts written by God Himself?

What is the difference between "impaled" and "crucified"?
Meanwhile your cult organization has started reviewing its doctrine that Jesus died on a pole. Once this is concluded and you are reminded of all you just said above in defense of it, you'll save face by claiming your light just got brighter. Clowns!

Janosky:
"you think your salvation is based on your works..."
Ananias & Saphira were greedy & deceitful, but they were punished & went to heaven.
Shebi u see am?

Well this is why ORGANIZATION really matters!
First Jesus said you will know the TRUTH and it will free your souls(from lies and false teachings). Ananias & Saphira DID NOT GO to heaven ooooooooo,they simply returned to dust{Genesis 3:19} It's only born again Christians that will go to heaven for a special assignment {Revelations 1:6,5:9,10,20:6}
From Abel to John the baptist will be resurrected here on earth{Matthew 11:11} along with millions of Christians(who are not born again)and many who lived by conscience but have no opportunity to know the righteousness of God! Revelations 20:13
All these pagan religions you are calling Christians will simply lead you to destruction! Matthew 7:13,14
Remember now, if they're teaching you that all peoples are going to heaven just as you've just asserted, these religions are indirectly telling you that Jesus is a LIAR! Because Jesus emphatically mentioned and taught people about RESURRECTION {John 5:28,29} and Christians believed in the day of RESURRECTION {John 11:24} So if their souls or spirits have gone to heaven after death as these churches taught you and i before JWs came, then how do you correlate that with RESURRECTION of the dead Or are you a Sadducee? Matthew 12:18
So my friend you're not yet a Christian at all if you don't strongly believe and speak CONVINCINGLY with people about RESURRECTION! 1Corinthians 15:12-14

TATIME:
CROSS!!! Just a tradition Sir.
The Bible encourages sincere,honest hearted,interested persons to MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Historical facts reveals that Roman's system of executing criminals was NOT on CROSSES but on STAKES! Meaning just on single pole not double Sir.
So Jesus was not CRUCIFIED but IMPALED!
But the churches have been lying to sincere souls all these centuries and it's time everyone knows the TRUTH that the tradition "CROSS" is from pagan origin!

This was Thomas speaking in John 20:24-25

24. One of the twelve disciples, Thomas (called the Twin), was not with them when Jesus came.

25. So the other disciples told him, We have seen the Lord!* Thomas said to them, *Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger on those scars and my hand in his side, I will not believe.

Please note that in referring to how Jesus was cricifued, Thomas used nails (plural) and not nail singular. This means two nails ran through Jesus' hands meaning one nail per hand hence the hands were separated and nailed separately. If Jesus were crucified on a pole, his two hands would have been nailed with just one nail hence Thomas would not have spoken of where the "nails passed through Jesus'hands". He would have rather said "... until I see where the nail passed through his hands.

John 21:18-19 says:

18. I am telling you the truth: when you were young, you used to get ready and go anywhere you wanted to; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands[/b]and someone else will tie you up and take you where you don't want to go.


19. (In saying this, Jesus was indicating the way in which Peter would die and bring glory to God.) Then Jesus said to him, *Follow me!*

Compare the two bolded parts and ask yourself if it would be possible for Peter to be crucified on a straight pole yet his hands strenched out.
You can see again that you don't need human records of history to validate the Bible because the Bible is the word of God and validates itself if you read it deeply and between the lines but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit which your organization obviously lacks. The same Bible says God does not need anymore to bear Him witness because he doesn't lie. So your organization's use of human records of history to bear validational witness to God's words is unscriptural.
Once again you are advised to free yourself from mental slavery to some 8 men in Warwick.

Deadlytruth:
This was Thomas speaking in John 20:24-25

24. One of the twelve disciples, Thomas (called the Twin), was not with them when Jesus came.

25. So the other disciples told him, We have seen the Lord!* Thomas said to them, *Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger on those scars and my hand in his side, I will not believe.

Please note that in referring to how Jesus was cricifued, Thomas used nails (plural) and not nail singular. This means two nails ran through Jesus' hands meaning one nail per hand hence the hands were separated and nailed separately. If Jesus were crucified on a pole, his two hands would have been nailed with just one nail hence Thomas would not have spoken of where the "nails passed through Jesus'hands". He would have rather said "... until I see where the nail passed through his hands.

John 21:18-19 says:

18. I am telling you the truth: when you were young, you used to get ready and go anywhere you wanted to; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands[/b]and someone else will tie you up and take you where you don't want to go.


19. (In saying this, Jesus was indicating the way in which Peter would die and bring glory to God.) Then Jesus said to him, *Follow me!*

Compare the two bolded parts and ask yourself if it would be possible for Peter to be crucified on a straight pole yet his hands strenched out.
You can see again that you don't need human records of history to validate the Bible because the Bible is the word of God and validates itself if you read it deeply and between the lines but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit which your organization obviously lacks. The same Bible says God does not need anymore to bear Him witness because he doesn't lie. So your organization's use of human records of history to bear validational witness to God's words is unscriptural.
Once again you are advised to free yourself from mental slavery to some 8 men in Warwick.

Jesus actually talked about how Peter would die but this has NOTHING to do with CROSS Sir!
You will stretch out your hand and someone else will LEAD you where you don't want to go. Please tell us what this statement has to do with CROSS?
Of course when someone grows old the young and energetic will LEAD your way,and it is this one that will determine the way but you must STRETCH OUT your hand TO BE LED! Sorry Sir,why not go and study the history of the Romans to verify how they do execute criminals instead of arguing in support of the TRADITION of these fake Churches!

@DeadlyTruth
This is the reason why most of those churchgoers are fast becoming ATHEISTS! After discovering FACTS.

Barristter07:
Good
Tell your understanding of this congregation?

Who are your brothers ?

Act 28:14,15 says Paul met the brothers who came from even Seemingly long distance to encourage him on his way to Rome, they know him and he knows them - unity and uniqueness of belonging to the same congregation. .


Tell this thread, who are your brothers with whom you associate and can vouch to meet and identify one another anywhere ?


A. Above




Identified.

Do identify yours , option B Is self deceit knowing fully well 1 Cor 11:19, be specific... Unless you can identify your brothers



" US " indicate they are a UNITED group. Not divided , and their been part of the " US " makes then a member of the congregation walking in the truth. You can't walk in the truth, when you can't recognize the Pillar and SUPPORT OF TRUTH - Fact

Going by 1Cor 11:19_ , where do you belong, !? WHO are your brothers ? Act 28:14,15

Acts 28:14-15
14 Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome.

15 And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.

Where did you see united or uniqueness? You make us laff. Shame will not even allow you quote the verse you listed. You just put up your speculation and think we are dullards so we should agree with you. Lol

So 'US' in a verse now means UNITED? Na wa o. You will just assume rubbish and try to force it down the throat of people. Thank God every thing you said is your own assumption. Thank God bible never mentioned such.






No apology for quoting a wrong verse. Let's look at the 1 cor 11: 19 you quoted

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!


Where did they say you should identify your brothers in these verses?

I no fit laff. Read 1 cor 11. The whole chapter first. Before you pick one verse in isolation and misinterprete it. Even Paul knew there was division/differences among people in respect to taking the Lord's super.

Barristter07:
Good
Tell your understanding of this congregation?

Who are your brothers ?

Act 28:14,15 says Paul met the brothers who came from even Seemingly long distance to encourage him on his way to Rome, they know him and he knows them - unity and uniqueness of belonging to the same congregation. .


Tell this thread, who are your brothers with whom you associate and can vouch to meet and identify one another anywhere ?


A. Above




Identified.

Do identify yours , option B Is self deceit knowing fully well 1 Cor 11:19, be specific... Unless you can identify your brothers



" US " indicate they are a UNITED group. Not divided , and their been part of the " US " makes then a member of the congregation walking in the truth. You can't walk in the truth, when you can't recognize the Pillar and SUPPORT OF TRUTH - Fact

Going by 1Cor 11:19_ , where do you belong, !? WHO are your brothers ? Act 28:14,15

You will even say Bible is wrong to prove that your watchtower magazine is right.
If we ask you to show us where the Christian congregation is called Christian congregation of jehovah witnesses. You will go and hide.


If people in redeemed say their denomination is the true christian congregation you will call them false prophet and false religion whereas you are saying your religion is the true Christian congregation. Hypocrite.


If we ask you to show us where bible said to know the true Christian congregation you need to identify your brothers. You will still not be able to provide any verse.


You should be hiding your head in shame. Bible instructor that gives false bible passages for his explanation.

Bible instructor that thinks people should not check the bible to look up his assumption instead they should check watchtower magazine or website.

Bible study instructor indeed.

Janosky:
Fallacies with many loopholes.
That's what to expect from a gullible sheepie led by pastorpreneurs & all the gods of men 'oleys' of this world.


* "All Members of your Congregation act just like you"
Fallacy of generalization coming from a bigot.

"They pick & choose who enters the group"
* Jesus himself picked & choose
who became his disciples , it wasn't an all comers affair.

* "Before non Christians can be considered 'part of the group' to must conform to a certain lifestyle" shioor !
Jesus disapproved the rich young man who refused to conform to Jesus approved life style.

*Your pastorpreneurs & gods of men con men rubber stamped your anything goes life style ("no one can live up to God's standard " fallacy) as long as u pay your tithes religiously (from your premier bet money spinning lottery & shady biz , your 'u will make heaven' mantra is guaranteed), who cares?

*"Membership of the group is always conditional"
Jehovah no get righteous Standard? So , his servants/people no go get righteous standard?
(Membership of NBA, NMA ,NUJ, NSE/ COREN etc is always conditional. Stop deluding yourself).

For the same reason of Jesus disapproval of the rich young man.

You now compare God's group to man made social groups. Lol. Wonders shall never end.
If you decided to be a zombie that doesn't mean others will also follow your footsteps.

Are you joining a cult that you must conform to their man made laws?

Deadlytruth:
Human error bound historical records are to be used as validation for biblical accounts written by God Himself?

What is the difference between "impaled" and "crucified"?
Meanwhile your cult organization has started reviewing its doctrine that Jesus died on a pole. Once this is concluded and you are reminded of all you just said above in defense of it, you'll save face by claiming your light just got brighter. Clowns!

TRUTH Sir is not that cheap!
God wrote the TEN commandment and gave it to Moses,HE also wrote on the wall in Babylonian palace.
Apart from these two occasions, God only INSPIRED men to write down HIS thoughts. This inspired writtings were later translated into other languages and in the process Satan later employed worldly Politicians to insert twisted things into the Bible.
So to be sure of the facts,you and i need to compared historical evidence with what is WRITTEN and handed over to us! That is what the Beroeans did,they compared what the Apostles are teaching people with the HISTORICAL evidences found in the Hebrew/Historical scriptures. Acts 17:11
So my friend,don't just believe what was TRANSLATED instead try to find out what the REAL inspired writers penned down and the meaning of what was later passed to you as the TRANSLATION!

Barristter07:
Good
Tell your understanding of this congregation?

Who are your brothers ?

Act 28:14,15 says Paul met the brothers who came from even Seemingly long distance to encourage him on his way to Rome, they know him and he knows them - unity and uniqueness of belonging to the same congregation. .


Tell this thread, who are your brothers with whom you associate and can vouch to meet and identify one another anywhere ?


A. Above




Identified.

Do identify yours , option B Is self deceit knowing fully well 1 Cor 11:19, be specific... Unless you can identify your brothers



" US " indicate they are a UNITED group. Not divided , and their been part of the " US " makes then a member of the congregation walking in the truth. You can't walk in the truth, when you can't recognize the Pillar and SUPPORT OF TRUTH - Fact

Going by 1Cor 11:19_ , where do you belong, !? WHO are your brothers ? Act 28:14,15

Believing in the Bible is now considered self deceit because barrister07 feels his watchtower magazine is the only thing he should believe in.
He now even says his magazines assumptions should be held in high esteem and the Bible's actual words should be dumped. Lol.

White and white garment church members can identify themselves, Mormons can identify themselves too, winners members can identify themselves, Catholics can identify themselves. They are all the true Christian congregation of jehovah too.

TATIME:
TRUTH Sir is not that cheap!
God wrote the TEN commandment and gave it to Moses,HE also wrote on the wall in Babylonian palace.
Apart from these two occasions, God only INSPIRED men to write down HIS thoughts. This inspired writtings were later translated into other languages and in the process Satan later employed worldly Politicians to insert twisted things into the Bible.
So to be sure of the facts,you and i need to compared historical evidence with what is WRITTEN and handed over to us! That is what the Beroeans did,they compared what the Apostles are teaching people with the HISTORICAL evidences found in the Hebrew/Historical scriptures. Acts 17:11
So my friend,don't just believe what was TRANSLATED instead try to find out what the REAL inspired writers penned down and the meaning of what was later passed to you as the TRANSLATION!

Since you were with Satan when he employed worldly politicians to insert wrong things in the Bible no problem.