Good update.

Strictly for Entertainment Purposes

Kenya Defense Forces (including SF tactics, training, drills & missions)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboKOloXqn4

This got me gingered and laughing
https://www.facebook.com/513141502358014/posts/851460285192799/

Warfare takes many many means! When the MSM splashes ' HIV AIDS conspiracy theory,' crazies like myself and assorted idlers have been saying for years you know poo done changed!?

A South Africa-based mercenary group has been accused by one of its former members of trying to intentionally spread Aids in southern Africa in the 1980s and 1990s.

The claims are made by Alexander Jones in a documentary that premieres this weekend at the Sundance film festival. He says he spent years as an intelligence officer with the South African Institute for Maritime Research (SAIMR), three decades ago, when it was masterminding coups and other violence across Africa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/south-african-intelligence-officers-spread-aids-black-communities

The implications of this piece are very very interesting-is the MSM no longer under Global Elite control? Why is it being revealed now? Non MSM players have said the same for years. What else,formerly secret will be revealed-is this revelation the end of secrecy itself? Guys, this is potentially groundbreaking!!

Saffas,jln115,patches689,ssaengine,andrewza,frumentius,61mech and anyone I've missed do you know Putfontein where the 'doctor' had a clinic?

AndrewZA, we expect loads of photos seeing as Armed Forces Week 2019 is in your neck of the woods!

SA ARMY DISPLAYS
Infantry
Armour
Artillery
Air Defence Artillery
Engineer
Signal
Intelligence
Technical
Training

SAAF DISPLAY
A109/BK117/Rooivalk
Armament equipment
Survival equipment
Aircraft mechanic
E & I Equipment
1 ASU Technical equipment
Tactical mobile radar/Umlindi radar antenna
Mobile tower
2 x Impala simulators
10 x PC with flight simulator
2 x Fire and rescue services vehicles

SA NAVY DISPLAY
MRS Boat Displays
Divers including Diving Tank
Hydrographic display
SANAD
MCM
Seamanship

SAMHS DISPLAY
1 x Air droppable surgical post
1 x Gecko
2 x CB detection vehicle
3 x Level 2 field hospital components
1 x Pharmacy component
Search and rescue equipment
2 x Mfezi
1 x Soft skin ambulance
Communicable disease isolation unit
Specialised unique medical equipment
1 x CBR equipment

SPECIAL FORCES
1. Survival displays
2. Seaborne equipment
3. Urban equipment
5. Signal land and sea
7. Parachutes
8. 4 x Hornets
9. Special forces weapon
10. 4 X Free Fall jumpers
11. Rural Eqpt
12. Dive Eqpt

LOGISTICS
1. Ammunition display
2. Environmental management display
3. Works formation capabilities
4. Procurement display
5. Hospitality services (Catering services)
6. Help desk (Corp Com)

PIC1: Poster;
PIC2: Event locality;
PIC3: Fan park;
PIC4: Night shoot;
PIC5: Main parade;
PIC6: Capability demo.

jln115:

-MSDS is not that new it's been around since 2003(Yes I know i said it wasn't implemented yet my bad ) but was restructured to it's current form in 2005/6.

-It takes 2 years, successful candidates will then be assigned their ranks as either none comm officers or officers.

@frumentius @andrewza are both in the SANDF so they would most likely have better information with regards to recruitment than I do.

Pardon my tardiness, been busy with checking out, checking in with the Reserves etc.

1) Regardless of whether matriculant or graduate, rightly, all are equal at MSDS/basics (the instructors are NCOs and naturally give graduates i.e. future officers, a hard time);

2) Broadly across Army, Air Force, Navy and Health Services, MSDS encompasses:

- In the first year of MSDS:
--- Basic military training and functional training;
--- Service-specific training;
--- Participation in practical military exercises;
--- Combat-ready training exercises;
--- Selection of junior leaders (matriculants with promise who pass the Selection are put on the NCO stream; graduates on Officer stream).

- In the second year of MSDS expect:
--- To undergo young officers formative training;
--- Junior leaders (officers) will receive leader group service training;
--- A selection process for officers to study at the Military Academy;
--- A focus on the utilisation and deployment of MSDS troops.

3) After 2 years of MSDS, either a contract on the regulars, or the Reserve Force.

For the purposes of this discussion, university graduates who come through the above attain the rank of LT.

frumentius:


Pardon my tardiness, been busy with checking out, checking in with the Reserves etc.

1) Regardless of whether matriculant or graduate, rightly, all are equal at MSDS/basics (the instructors are NCOs and naturally give graduates i.e. future officers, a hard time);

2) Broadly across Army, Air Force, Navy and Health Services, MSDS encompasses:

- In the first year of MSDS:
--- Basic military training and functional training;
--- Service-specific training;
--- Participation in practical military exercises;
--- Combat-ready training exercises;
--- Selection of junior leaders (matriculants with promise who pass the Selection are put on the NCO stream; graduates on Officer stream).

- In the second year of MSDS expect:
--- To undergo young officers formative training;
--- Junior leaders (officers) will receive leader group service training;
--- A selection process for officers to study at the Military Academy;
--- A focus on the utilisation and deployment of MSDS troops.

3) After 2 years of MSDS, either a contract on the regulars, or the Reserve Force.

For the purposes of this discussion, university graduates who come through the above attain the rank of LT.

I wondered how could a graduate after all military training start his career as a private as said by @jiln. It's the Same thing all over the world but different selection process. Thanks for the explanation.

Geronimoe:

I wondered how could a graduate after all military training start his career as a private as said by @jiln. It's the Same thing all over the world but different selection process. Thanks for the explanation.

jln is correct. During MSDS everyone is equal in being "absolutely less than nothing", as the instructors say. University graduates are commissioned as LTs only after they successfully complete MSDS.

frumentius:


Pardon my tardiness, been busy with checking out, checking in with the Reserves etc.

1) Regardless of whether matriculant or graduate, rightly, all are equal at MSDS/basics (the instructors are NCOs and naturally give graduates i.e. future officers, a hard time);

2) Broadly across Army, Air Force, Navy and Health Services, MSDS encompasses:

- In the first year of MSDS:
--- Basic military training and functional training;
--- Service-specific training;
--- Participation in practical military exercises;
--- Combat-ready training exercises;
--- Selection of junior leaders (matriculants with promise who pass the Selection are put on the NCO stream; graduates on Officer stream).

- In the second year of MSDS expect:
--- To undergo young officers formative training;
--- Junior leaders (officers) will receive leader group service training;
--- A selection process for officers to study at the Military Academy;
--- A focus on the utilisation and deployment of MSDS troops.

3) After 2 years of MSDS, either a contract on the regulars, or the Reserve Force.

For the purposes of this discussion, university graduates who come through the above attain the rank of LT.

There is a reason why I quoted you and your last words in bold. At a point in time on this same topic I had to ask if you guys have an officer training school. If I'm not wrong, my deduction from what you wrote is that MSDS is not the end school for officer training, it's just to learn the rudimentary of military life and from there the best are selected for officer training depending on grade and whatever else. Correct? My question is how can you start your military career as a private as a university graduate?

Geronimoe:

There is a reason why I quoted you and your last words in bold. At a point in time on this same topic I had to ask if you guys have an officer training school. If I'm not wrong, my deduction from what you wrote is that MSDS is not the end school for officer training, it's just to learn the rudimentary of military life and from there the best are selected for officer training depending on grade and whatever else. Correct? My question is how can you start your military career as a private as a university graduate?

Because that's how it works......Graduates don't just walk in to top positions at multi million $ businesses without any experience.....same thing with the military, and just as in the business world the higher you are qualified(and component) the faster you are promoted!!

The question you actually want to ask is why would a university graduate want to join the military.....and the answer is pretty simple, they want to, and are willing to go through basic as a private knowing that their degree will be advantageous for future promotions.

jln115:
Because that's how it works......Graduates don't just walk in to top positions at multi million $ businesses without any experience.....same thing with the military, and just as in the business world the higher you are qualified(and component) the faster you are promoted!!

The question you actually want to ask is why would a university graduate want to join the military.....and the answer is pretty simple, they want to, and are willing to go through basic as a private knowing that their degree will be advantageous for future promotions.

I suspect crossed lines here:
We are looking at a military career starting when someone shows up for Basics/MSDS - as a private. I suspect Geronimoe sees the start of a military career immediately post-basics.

frumentius:


I suspect crossed lines here:
We are looking at a military career starting when someone shows up for Basics/MSDS - as a private. I suspect Geronimoe sees the start of a military career immediately post-basics.

Nope, no lines crossed, if you look back at his previous posts you would see he meant a military career as in immediately when joining.

jln115:
Nope, no lines crossed, if you look back at his previous posts you would see he meant a military career as in immediately when joining.

The man asked if we had "an officer training school"/military academy.
Obviously there's a lot he doesn't know, so let's ask the man direct questions so our answers properly inform.
Geronimoe, what do you mean by start of military career? Do you mean when someone reports for Basics?
Or do you mean when they're finished with Basics?

frumentius:


The man asked if we had "an officer training school"/military academy.
Obviously there's a lot he doesn't know, so let's ask the man direct questions so our answers properly inform.
Geronimoe, what do you mean by start of military career? Do you mean when someone reports for Basics?
Or do you mean when they're finished with Basics?

Original question:

Ibrahimanis:

Most Nigerians prefer going through NDA. You'll make it to General then.

I knew someone who was studying mech. Engineering 300L, 2 years to go yet he left to join NDA (another 5 years).

BTW how does it work in SA? Do you have to go through your military academy to become a general/equivalent or you can attain that position if you graduated from civilian uni

My response:

jln115:
Regardless if you have a degree or not you'll still need to apply and complete the Military Skills Development System MSDS. After which you are either given a permanent contract to join the regular force or subsequently you join the reserve force.

Having a degree(depends on degree!) however gives you a much better chance of landing a regular force contract(from what i heard) and being chosen to complete officers courses ect ect.

P.S regardless of qualification......if you join the SANDF you'll start off as a private, you can't instantly obtain a certain rank just because of your qualification.....There are however ceremonial ranks given to certain civilians from time to time however.

jln115:
Nope...

BTW, you're now in the Western Cape, aren't you? If so, and you aren't too busy with fire season down there, I volunteer you as this thread's official photographer during Armed Forces Week 2019.

frumentius:


BTW, you're now in the Western Cape, aren't you? If so, and you aren't too busy with fire season down there, I volunteer you as this thread's official photographer during Armed Forces Week 2019.

Unfortunately going to have to decline your offer, I have cricket matches on the 16th and 17th and as much as I would love to go to the events in the week, I still live 3,5 hours from Cape Town.

@andrewza by default will be the official photographer!!

jln115:
... have cricket matches on the 16th and 17th and as much as I would love to go to the events in the week, I still live 3,5 hours from Cape Town.

@andrewza by default will be the official photographer!!

To paraphrase: cricket as a game is more than life and death!

frumentius:


To paraphrase: cricket as a game is more than life and death!

exactly

Ratel shot out in Yemen

jln115:

Original question:


My response:

Obviously when someone is finished with basics.

frumentius:


I suspect crossed lines here:
We are looking at a military career starting when someone shows up for Basics/MSDS - as a private. I suspect Geronimoe sees the start of a military career immediately post-basics.

After all the back and forth, I think I misunderstood jln. It's different here in Nigeria.
P.S. Does a career include when you are learning?

Geronimoe:

Obviously when someone is finished with basics.

So why couldn't you understand this post?

jln115:
This was before the MSDS was implemented also not sure if he did basic then earned his rank or if he was Captain from the start, which would be strange as my Dad also had a degree and even he started as a troopy in the Army, and After his Basic he earned his rank as Lieutenant.

As far as i know Basic=troopy after basic you earn your rank.

Geronimoe:

After all the back and forth, I think I misunderstood jln. It's different here in Nigeria.
P.S. Does a career include when you are learning?

It does when you get paid to do it!!

This people ehn
https://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-seeking-next-chapter-makes-inroads-through-west-africa-11549220824?redirect=amp#click=https:///hmL1hmY0Qi

jln115:

Original question:


My response:

Frumentius was able to understand where I was coming from. Me was referring to a career as being done with basics,that's when you are actually a soldier,you passed through all the processes successfully. I couldn't understand it that as a university graduate, you will have to progress through the ranks to attain a general(which is almost impossible) until frumentius explained the complete process. I initially thought it was as being done here : the officer Corp is mostly from NDA where you graduate as a Lt, and enlisted from Nigerian army depot where some of them graduate as PRIVATES. You said everybody starts as private including university graduates but you didn't include the other processes described by frumentius.

Geronimoe:

Frumentius was able to understand where I was coming from. Me was referring to a career as being done with basics,that's when you are actually a soldier,you passed through all the processes successfully. I couldn't understand it that as a university graduate, you will have to progress through the ranks to attain a general(which is almost impossible) until frumentius explained the complete process. I initially thought it was as being done here : the officer Corp is mostly from NDA where you graduate as a Lt, and enlisted from Nigerian army depot where some of them graduate as PRIVATES. You said everybody starts as private including university graduates but you didn't include the other processes described by frumentius.

I literally said the exact same thing as frumentius:

frumentius:


Pardon my tardiness, been busy with checking out, checking in with the Reserves etc.

Regardless of whether matriculant or graduate, rightly, all are equal at MSDS/basics (the instructors are NCOs and naturally give graduates i.e. future officers, a hard time);

After 2 years of MSDS, either a contract on the regulars, or the Reserve Force.

For the purposes of this discussion, university graduates who come through the above attain the rank of LT.

ME:

jln115:
Regardless if you have a degree or not you'll still need to apply and complete the Military Skills Development System MSDS. After which you are either given a permanent contract to join the regular force or subsequently you join the reserve force.

Having a degree(depends on degree!) however gives you a much better chance of landing a regular force contract(from what i heard) and being chosen to complete officers courses ect ect.

Also ME:

jln115:
This was before the MSDS was implemented also not sure if he did basic then earned his rank or if he was Captain from the start, which would be strange as my Dad also had a degree and even he started as a troopy in the Army, and After his Basic he earned his rank as Lieutenant.

As far as i know Basic=troopy after basic you earn your rank.

SO what other processes did i not describe??

Pantsyr S algeria

New AN/TPS-78HM High Mobility spotted in algerian army

capable of tracking 1,000 targets at a range of over 445 km !


Pic1, 2 .

Sukhoi 24 MK II

Algerian1:
New AN/TPS-78HM High Mobility spotted in algerian army

capable of tracking 1,000 targets at a range of over 445 km !


Pic1, 2 .

American product?

Odunayaw:
American product?

Yes , algerian army have in service many US radars . AN/TPS-43 , AN/TPS-70 , AN/TPS-78

jln115:

I literally said the exact same thing as frumentius:



ME:



Also ME:



SO what other processes did i not describe??

No need going back and forth. It's OK.