₦airaland Forum

SmithRussell:
BYU is a top rated University in the US and it's cheap. . Google it. . More than 20% of their students are in full paid scholarships - both members and non members. . There are other financial grants and loans for their members. .
So what exactly are yhu defending? An African man simply gains satisfaction by stashing cash and not helping others - it's not their fault

When you talk of top ranked christian varsities in developed nation you talking about, Yonsei, ORU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Pepperdine, Villanova, Loyola Marymount etc and they are incredibly expensive.

shugabasbn:
U mean Catholic the largest group are no longer existing or Anglica, seriously I don't understand you

Sorry. I meant their free schools.

Saint Francis secondary School around idimu here in Lagos charge 250,000 for boarders per term. No school fees no entrance.owned by the Catholic. You pipu should attack the government and stop yarning nonsense

Adakintroy:
The church is a parallel government to the world. If the world think this way, the church ought to think otherwise. Dominion mandates if they understand it well Ought to consider the poor giving they are in their majorities... If they can win more poor over, The church already have more members. But I guess am senseless

Instead of giving selfish advice why not show us one church that does that and still survives? Show us an example or be the first to do it and stop poisoning peoples mind against innocent pastors and churches.

Alexk2:
Your argument is vague my brother. it's like saying since gay/lesbianism is accepted and celebrated in some churches in western countries, so it must be accepted here too. I don't evewant to go into the argument of who are the current owner of most of these top universities you're referring to here because it's not important for the sake of this argument; UK, USA, CANADA, FRANCE, e.t.c are not in the same league as Nigeria in so many ways. their citizens don't struggle to pay school fees; In most of these countries, education is basically free for her citizens and in their privately owned institutions where it's not free, different grades/shades of scorlarships are available for as many as interested. Here in nigeria, it's the very opposite. even our public universities that are heavily subsidized is still not affordable to many; at least, you'll know about no less five poor around you who want and wish to be in school be are not because they can't afford it; the story is same all over the country. So, what should be our priorities? where do you think the churches in Nigeria should come in? What challenges should be addressed first by Churches/christians?
Churches in the western world don't need to fight poverty and lack of their members because the government is working well over there and almost everything is provided for so they can afford to spend their money whatever they feel like whether biblical or not(but some of them are using if wisely on foreign missions and evengelism). We're losing priority by copying them here. We have a more serious challenges to deal with here instead of building universities that isn't beneficial to her members. My original argument is not even against the building those higher institutions of learnings but in the way it's not affordable to the Christian majority. so if it cannot be made affordable, it's just not neccessary; it's a misplaced priority.


Are you for real bro.? do your survey very well pls. btw, a lot of example abound of those who finish from public schools and are doing very well spiritually/morally so much so that your argument becomes irrelevant. May I remind you that all these respected men of God finished from these public universities to start with.

finally, the church shouldn't be competing with the government on whose facility is better or who can build the best and most beautiful university; we should be the light in showing the government on how to solve the many challenges in Nigeria such as poverty and unaffordable educational systems.

Your submissions are SPOT ON! Many (Christians) argue about a subject with an already determined notion, hence they fail to see the Truth. What you said is very rational and I think those refuting you are bias because they hold the churches involved in very high esteem

ArchAngelos999:
Great idea, but will they ever reason like that? They seem to just want to make a name for themselves and building a school is very appropriate for that purpose unlike giving bursary etc

They already give scholarship to those they can. Google DavidOyedepoFoundation for example. That's his own personal foundation oh. others exist.
That Alexk2 guy is just being plainly illogical and selfish here.

The school fee is a direct function of the chosen standard of the services the school offers and this standards were borne out of the vision of establishing the school ( CU ).
Do proper research and know how much govt spends on public uni to help bring the school fee down.

Na Naija na

TrueNigerian300:
When you say something be very sure of what you are saying. This is a public domain bro good quality education is available in some part of Europe I mean you dont pay a dime. Although, tertiary education is really expensive in most part of the world but there are still free schools in some part of Europe.

I hope you are not offended for the correction.

If you claim totally free schools education exists, then who pays the lecturers? or do they lecture for free also?
Please before you parade as a knowledgeable person, know there is a difference between subsidized education or education on scholarship with strings attached to free education. Free in the meantime does mean it is free totally. Is a bank loan without collateral free? No of course because you bound to pay back and even with interests.
Same logic applies for those so called free European schools.

What makes the fees outrageous?
Is it because the schools are owned by the church or because they are Nigerian universities?
If not for the federal and state govts subsidising tertiary institutions, their fees would have been more than this.
Education is very expensive everywhere, and don't be surprised Nigerian universities will gain autonomy one day and be running their schools themselves. Na then you go hear gobe

CptCharlesVane:
what makes it outrageous? Don't come and rant like a poor man here. If you cannot afford it, go somewhere else.

Some people have their poverty planned out for the next 20 years. just observe them closely. They are sure of poverty.

I see no big deal there. Nobody is forcing you to go there. At this time, there are other issues at hand, not Universities. I believe that if the doctrines of covenant University is practiced, there would be peace and Serenity in d country.��

wanger50:
Ask the white missionaries how they were able to afford free education and free living costs to the indigenous peoples. Church members who were better off paid the bills.In those times u didn't have all these tithes of a thing

So where did the missionaries get their funds from or betters still, tell us why they aren't maintaining that free school system today.
Please keep it simple and straight.

Alexk2:
It is my business first because I'm a Nigerian and secondly because I'm a Christian with good knowledge of the word of God.....consequently, I can't understand how the Bible can justify a church building universities with or without members contributions and members/christians can't attent such higher institutions; I don't see how God can be happy with such arrangement. The common justification is that of "spreading gospel" but we know practically speaking, it's either not entirely true or the products are not significantly different from public institutions after all we have campus fellowships and churches in our public institutions too.

If you read my line of thought very well, you'll understand I just don't see why it's necessary for churches to go into building universities that won't have direct benefits to her members and Christians at large. As far as I'm concerned, there are so many other beneficial ways churches can help build the educational systems some of which I've highlighted above.
Finally, I want you to know that almost all public institutions in Nigeria are heavily subsidised so that it can be affordable to more nigerians. If govt can do that, churches are expected to do more with her universities. If the running cost won't allow them, then starting it all together seems to me as a wrong priority. Shalom!

But many church members still send their children to these universities. Or are you saying members of winners don't have their children in Canaan land university? Not all members can have their children there because they dont have the capacity for that in terms of space and facilities. I doubt they can cater for more than 50000 students ( I may be wrong though).
I've always wondered why a person that pays 5K monthly tithes will comfortably expect her 4 children to go to Cannanland on account of free education things . How does that add up? The maths isn't adding up at all for me. Because you pay 60k yearly doesn't mean your children should benefit from an education of at least 3million per child for their period in uni. That's 12milla for 4 children.
I know that sounds like a good investment, but there's really no free lunch in Freetown.
Everyone loves awuff, but its also good to reason things na. I'm sure these same people would not agree to clean the schools for free or lecture for free, or do anything for free in these schools in order to make free education work. There's really nothing like that to be honest- free education. Someone else is paying for it

Alexk2:
Your argument is vague my brother. it's like saying since gay/lesbianism is accepted and celebrated in some churches in western countries, so it must be accepted here too. I don't evewant to go into the argument of who are the current owner of most of these top universities you're referring to here because it's not important for the sake of this argument; UK, USA, CANADA, FRANCE, e.t.c are not in the same league as Nigeria in so many ways. their citizens don't struggle to pay school fees; In most of these countries, education is basically free for her citizens and in their privately owned institutions where it's not free, different grades/shades of scorlarships are available for as many as interested. Here in nigeria, it's the very opposite. even our public universities that are heavily subsidized is still not affordable to many; at least, you'll know about no less five poor around you who want and wish to be in school be are not because they can't afford it; the story is same all over the country. So, what should be our priorities? where do you think the churches in Nigeria should come in? What challenges should be addressed first by Churches/christians?
Churches in the western world don't need to fight poverty and lack of their members because the government is working well over there and almost everything is provided for so they can afford to spend their money whatever they feel like whether biblical or not(but some of them are using if wisely on foreign missions and evengelism). We're losing priority by copying them here. We have a more serious challenges to deal with here instead of building universities that isn't beneficial to her members. My original argument is not even against the building those higher institutions of learnings but in the way it's not affordable to the Christian majority. so if it cannot be made affordable, it's just not neccessary; it's a misplaced priority.


Are you for real bro.? do your survey very well pls. btw, a lot of example abound of those who finish from public schools and are doing very well spiritually/morally so much so that your argument becomes irrelevant. May I remind you that all these respected men of God finished from these public universities to start with.

finally, the church shouldn't be competing with the government on whose facility is better or who can build the best and most beautiful university; we should be the light in showing the government on how to solve the many challenges in Nigeria such as poverty and unaffordable educational systems.

Many people in the UK are not going to university again because they cannot afford it, and dont want to be indebted with loans after finishing school. This is a fact.
These private universities have benefitt3d a lot of Nigerians and they are meeting a need. If not for these unis, many more Nigerians wouldn't have had access to tertiary education, so I believe they are meeting a need. Afterall their members are also Nigerians, so what are you saying?

obstead200:
Bros, Ur reasoning is twisted. Anyway, I recognise Ur Monika as a well known praise singer of the money churches and their deeds, whether right or wrong. Arguing with u is totally pointless.
But the dude u replied is right. It does not make sense to build universities that can't impact on the lives of many because of the high tuition costs. I am convinced that 90% of these church universities are built just to stroke the ego of the church leadership. It has become a status symbol for big churches to own universities. Nonsense

You are barely making sense.

Covenant University for example wasn't built to stroke church leadership ego, it was conceived VOA a divine vision from God as long as 2 decades back and the visioner - Oyedepo never hid it but told the whole world from his small auditorium back then. The vision for a 50,000 seat church was also given. same thing too for the live transmission of messages to nations of the earth before satellite devices became commercially available. These are divine mandates and not ego massaging stunts.

I understand what you are trying to pass across but how many times will we see this?
Those guys are not willing to change fees and if you don't like the fees, find another school to attend na.
Na by force?

Babcock University Ben Carson's school of Medicine students pay nothing less than 3M per session. No one in Babcock pays less than 425k as the OP we have use believe.

NLbully:
1. Bowen university

Bowen University is owned and operated by the Nigerian Baptist Convention. Located at Iwo in Osun state it is housed on the campus of the Baptist College which is a teacher-training institution just outside the city of Iwo.

For Bowen university their school fees are as follows:

– For students in B.A. and B. Sc. Programmes, a minimum of N300,000 must be paid from the session fees in the first semester before registration.

– For students in the law faculty, a minimum of N500,000 must be paid from the session fees in the first semester before registration.

– For students in the medicine and surgery department (pre-clinical) , all fees and levies must be fully paid at the beginning of the first semester while a minimum of N 800,000 must be paid before registration.

– For students in the medicine and surgery department (clinical) , all fees and levies must be fully paid at the beginning of the first semester while a minimum of N 1,000,000 must be paid before registration.

2. Covenant university


Covenant University is a private Christian university and a member of the Association of Commonwealth Universities. It located in Ota, Ogun state, Nigeria.
For Covenant university the school fees ranges from N774, 500 for courses such as Banking an Finance, Economic and Development studies, Business management and so on to to N814,000 for engineering programmes and Architecture.


3. Benson Idahosa university


The Benson Idahosa University (BIU) is a private, Christian university in Benin City. It was named in honor of Archbishop Benson Idahosa, a charismatic pentecostal minister from Benin and the university reflects his evangelical beliefs.
At Benson Idahosa university the students of Agriculture pay the lowest fees, which is N278,000 per session in their final year, while students of law pay as much as N1,150,000 in their first year and N643,800 by their final year. Mathematics students pay N583,000 per session.


4.Babcock university

Babcock University is a private Christian co-educational Nigerian university owned and operated by the Seventh-day Adventist church in Nigeria.
In Babcock university, education program students pay the lowest school fees which is N244,000 per session, while the highest paying students are Accounting, Nursing science and Computer science students who pay as much as N482,000 in their first year alone.

5. Redeemer’s University

Redeemer’s University was established in 2005, and it is owned by the Redeemed Christian Church of God. It is located at Ede, off Gbongan-Oshogbo Road, Osun state, Nigeria.
At Redeemer’s university, admission fees alone run into N110,000 in the first year. With tuition fees and other fees running into N695,000 in the first year alone.

6. Ajayi Crowther university

The Ajayi Crowther university is located in Oyo state, Nigeria. The university was established by the Supra Diocesan Board , West of the Church of Nigeria popularly known as the Anglican Communion.
The faculty of humanities in the Ajayi Crother university pays as much as N395,000 per session and it happens to be the lowest. The faculty of law students pay N690,000 in tuition fees every session.

7. Madonna university

Madonna university is a private catholic university in Nigeria. It was founded on May 10, 1999 in Okija, Anambra state. In Madonna, medicine students pay as much as N925,000 in their first year’s first semester alone. In the second semester they pay N575,000, which brings the total they pay in their first year to about N1,490,000.

Is Education really worth it




#Peace

. Thank God there are public schools and private school graduates are not better than public school products....

Tertiary Edu is free in some places in the world
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asuustrike1:
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Many churches are already doing that. They give scholarship to brilliant students. Living faith for example gives scholarship to study postgraduate degree for students with first class.
Tertiary education isn't cheap anywhere in the world. The top universities in the world are owned by churches. The aim of those universities( Nigeria to be precise) is build men with sound character and moral with sound Christian doctrine. This is what is lacking in many public universities.

CodeTemplar:
So where did the missionaries get their funds from or betters still, tell us why they aren't maintaining that free school system today.
Please keep it simple and straight.

More privileged members put money together to pay for the poor. For example, u had the Church Missionary Society(CMS)which mobilized those monies for the benefit of the less privileged.With us here and nowadays, the poor contributes towards building universities only the rich can access.This makes it looks like the poor are providing for the rich

Alexk2:
It is my business first because I'm a Nigerian and secondly because I'm a Christian with good knowledge of the word of God.....consequently, I can't understand how the Bible can justify a church building universities with or without members contributions and members/christians can't attent such higher institutions; I don't see how God can be happy with such arrangement. The common justification is that of "spreading gospel" but we know practically speaking, it's either not entirely true or the products are not significantly different from public institutions after all we have campus fellowships and churches in our public institutions too.

If you read my line of thought very well, you'll understand I just don't see why it's necessary for churches to go into building universities that won't have direct benefits to her members and Christians at large. As far as I'm concerned, there are so many other beneficial ways churches can help build the educational systems some of which I've highlighted above.
Finally, I want you to know that almost all public institutions in Nigeria are heavily subsidised so that it can be affordable to more nigerians. If govt can do that, churches are expected to do more with her universities. If the running cost won't allow them, then starting it all together seems to me as a wrong priority. Shalom!

Although I'm often uncomfortable as to churches owning universities, the truth is that it is exorbitantly expensive to fund universities. As far back as 2006, I remember a Private University's V.C telling me that it cost upwards of 100m to run generators for the hostels per semester; I wonder how much that would cost 12 years later.Government owned universities despite TETFUND and government subsidies are barely getting by, hence the endless ASUU strikes - how much more privately-owned universities?

To show you how subsidized university education has become, an increasing number of state-owned universities have begun to charge fees that a few years ago would have been unthinkable. Until we start to move away from the mindset that university education should be free or dirt-cheap, we would never make progress in advancing the quality of university education in Nigeria.

Tejiriseth:
Tertiary Edu is free in some places in the world
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Yes it is free because those countries have enough resources and citizens comply to tax regulations but Nigeria is the opposite

obstead200:
oga, expensive is relative. Average starting salary for a graduate in the US is 75000 dollars a year. Someone who earns that much won't see 10,000 dollar tuition fee as outrageous. Not to mention the availability of student loans that make things easy. So do you still feel that education is Soo expensive for those who live in the US? It costs them money agreed, but it is still within the range of what an average middle class worker can comfortably afford to spend on his kids without stealing.

Can u say the same about the fees in covenant University and co? Can a state civil servant on level 15 comfortably train even one child in covenant University? And u can barely call a level 15 officer middle class, he is rather upper class!!

$10,000 university fees in America? Please don't make me laugh. Most poor or middle families in this same america you mentioned start saving for their children's university fees almost as soon as they are born, and in a lot of cases, the students take loans from the government that they struggle to pay back for decades. And even at that, how many graduates do $75,000 immediately after university?

In respect to Level 15 civil servants being upper class, you couldn't be more wrong -at best they are middle-class. Thats how poor their pay is.

stanliwise:
you are not invited here. Only reasonable people are.

How reasonable are you first of all idiot

ejimatic:
. Thank God there are public schools and private school graduates are not better than public school products....

Public school pass public school. If you are not in UNILAG, U.I, UNN and possibly OAU, chances are that you would be passes over by a number of blue-chips for entry-level jobs - dont believe me, ask about Access Bank's tier-one, tier-two and tier-three university rankings.

wanger50:
More privileged members put money together to pay for the poor. For example, u had the Church Missionary Society(CMS)which mobilized those monies for the benefit of the less privileged.With us here and nowadays, the poor contributes towards building universities only the rich can access.This makes it looks like the poor are providing for the rich

You are very ignorant sir.

Those churches that used to provide free services have either stopped those services totally or have vvery high fees today because the previous method was killing the church financially. How do you expect a church to take tithes and offerings or #5,000 and #500 and flip them into #500k of free school ? it is commonsense that the church cant afford such at this time. show me one church still doing that and I will take you serious.

Tejiriseth:
Tertiary Edu is free in some places in the world
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You mean the lecturers lecture for free or somebody subsidizes the school ?

ejimatic:
. Thank God there are public schools and private school graduates are not better than public school products....

Thank God.

eyinjuege:
But many church members still send their children to these universities. Or are you saying members of winners don't have their children in Canaan land university? Not all members can have their children there because they dont have the capacity for that in terms of space and facilities. I doubt they can cater for more than 50000 students ( I may be wrong though).
I've always wondered why a person that pays 5K monthly tithes will comfortably expect her 4 children to go to Cannanland on account of free education things . How does that add up? The maths isn't adding up at all for me. Because you pay 60k yearly doesn't mean your children should benefit from an education of at least 3million per child for their period in uni. That's 12milla for 4 children.
I know that sounds like a good investment, but there's really no free lunch in Freetown.
Everyone loves awuff, but its also good to reason things na. I'm sure these same people would not agree to clean the schools for free or lecture for free, or do anything for free in these schools in order to make free education work. There's really nothing like that to be honest- free education. Someone else is paying for it

Sometimes in 2016/2017, Winners Chapel built a new secondary school in Delta state and I heard first hand from the resident pastor of that state, that the school cost in excess of N1 Billion. Now if you add up all the fee they charge for all student there and try to repay the cost of constructing the school it will take decades.
People who don't know jack about how the church runs will see the school fees and out of jealousy or whatever will start lamenting about some contributing church members not being able to afford the school. they expect the church to make it free so that every church member can afford it but is that really feasible? No it isn't. Now multiply the secondary schools the church subsidizes and add universities and then add primary schools also and Imagine what it takes to run the church schools alone.
People dont even know how finances work in a open society and it explains why they always expect the govt to do everything for them.

eyinjuege:
Many people in the UK are not going to university again because they cannot afford it, and dont want to be indebted with loans after finishing school. This is a fact.
These private universities have benefitt3d a lot of Nigerians and they are meeting a need. If not for these unis, many more Nigerians wouldn't have had access to tertiary education, so I believe they are meeting a need. Afterall their members are also Nigerians, so what are your saying?

There was a report on timeshighered some times back indicating that as high as 70% of tertiary education in some European countries are non-university education. They take technical colleges and polytechnics very serious their and it is working for them. Here people don't even know what polytechnic are meant to achieve.

Alexk2:
It is my business first because I'm a Nigerian and secondly because I'm a Christian with good knowledge of the word of God.....consequently, I can't understand how the Bible can justify a church building universities with or without members contributions and members/christians can't attent such higher institutions; I don't see how God can be happy with such arrangement. The common justification is that of "spreading gospel" but we know practically speaking, it's either not entirely true or the products are not significantly different from public institutions after all we have campus fellowships and churches in our public institutions too.

If you read my line of thought very well, you'll understand I just don't see why it's necessary for churches to go into building universities that won't have direct benefits to her members and Christians at large. As far as I'm concerned, there are so many other beneficial ways churches can help build the educational systems some of which I've highlighted above.
Finally, I want you to know that almost all public institutions in Nigeria are heavily subsidised so that it can be affordable to more nigerians. If govt can do that, churches are expected to do more with her universities. If the running cost won't allow them, then starting it all together seems to me as a wrong priority. Shalom!

Please how is the above possible?