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Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by JujuSugar(f): 12:03am On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel:Fair enough, I will confess i was quick to comment and did not notice that your post was a reply to another moniker...... However, I've skimmed through this thread with utmost disgust at the poor quality of arguments you've employed..... Hence my quick quoting of your moniker...... I have neither the time nor hopelessness to engage in e-fights at this hour, so i'll let your insulting remarks slide...for now..... I assume you're looking to have a reasonable debate, unless maybe I'm wrong and you're the type who just wants to hear himself talk.... So I'm going to ask these questions, then tomorrow (or anytime) if you want to have an argument, we'll move on from here...... a/ Have you any evidence that would be acceptable in a court of law or in a science classroom in any secular university that the god of the Christians actually exists? b/ Since I consider evidence is required before evaluating claims, why should I believe your claim to be a Christian? c/ Have you read your bible from cover from cover? d/ In conjuction with the previous question, what stories in the bible are almost identical to stories that predate the bible? e/ I believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster. Now prove he doesn't exist I'm a girl by the way |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 3:50pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
JujuSugar:everyone are talking. Talk is meant for eveyone, you are talking i am talking so whats your point ?? no court has ever barred a christian in a secular world from going to church simply because he believes that God exist. put it this way, since you have refused to see the evidence i presented on this thread, why should you believe my claim? i have never seen any one story that predate bible, or do you have any? I am eagar to learn it doesnt matter! It is your willingness to know new things that matter. But if you are not willing to know there is absolutely nothing i can do. I mean, whether you are christian or not it doesn't change anything. You are perculiar and good the way you are, and me that believes i am perculiar and good as well. But one truth that will prevail, before you can convince a christian that there is no God you will first have to understand what the christian has understood that makes him believe that God exist for you to counter him and convince him properly. Otherwise, you are chasing a wild goose |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by JujuSugar(f): 4:10pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel:My point is your arguments are poor and i'm here to show you why....... no court has ever barred a christian in a secular world from going to church simply because he believes that God exist.*Whistle!!!* Offside! Leave that ball and come back into the discussion, sir!..... Everyone is free to believe what he believes. You are answering another question.... So let me rephrase it for you: Where is your objective, dependable evidence which can be accepted worldwide, that your christian god exists? paxonel:You have presented no reasonable evidence. Hence this reversal of my initial question fails horribly..... |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by JujuSugar(f): 4:15pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel: c/ Have you read your bible from cover from cover?[/b]lie, you did not.Its a simple question. Answer yes or no. i have never seen any one story that predate bible, or do you have any?Ever heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh? Let's begin with that it doesnt matter! You cant imagine how much this post made me laugh kikikiki...... Below is an excerpt from your OP..... Atheists, what are your proves or evidence that a spirit God do not exist?Can you see how you christians dribble yourselves thinking you're making an argument? ......... I've now returned you the favor by asking you to disprove the FSM and here you are soaking yourself in the storm you started by yourself ..... By your original post, you seem to think evidence is required not to believe in something,..... so presumably you have taken the time to eliminate all the other gods that humankind has worshipped fervently over the millennia ....... What is your evidence that they don’t exist (not to mention the evidence that your particular deity-of-choice actually does exist)?....... Meanwhile, let me give you another assignment.... Christianity: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Seventh Day Adventism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism Islam: Shia, Sunni, Wahhabism, Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Mahdavia, Taoism Confucianism Jainism Zoroastrianism Mandaeism Buddhism: Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana The Assignment: Please kindly post the reasoning why these widely-followed religions listed above are wrong (ignore the one you belong to)....... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 5:56pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
JujuSugar:ok, go ahead you brought the ball, its my turn to play and you are blowing whistle, what kinda ref are you? did you even care to read the op at all? you did not read the op, how will you see the evidence? You did not read the op, all of a sudden my argument is poor |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 6:21pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
JujuSugar:ok, i didnt noticed you were asking the question ofcourse yes, a lot of christians have done that too so how does this predate bible? what if after laughing and saying all these you do not come out with something reasonable? oga the op did not say that, okpe!!! first, you said the op seem to think (that means you are not sure Now, you are saying presumably My guy, you have to be sure of what you saw in the op forget the assignment, The op never disputed the existence of other deities Now that you did not come out with something reasonable can you take back all that laugh you posted previously? No you cannot. Thats why it good to present your argument deductively rather than inductively especially when you are not sure where to arive |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by JujuSugar(f): 9:44pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel:Oh, i will as you shall soon see, paxonel You are now starting to sound like a broken record as the 3 sentences above are saying the same thing ..... Sir, i knew this would be a labor of love and i'd have to spoonfeed you in this argument ...... Let's look @ your evidence, shall we?..... How did theists come to the conclusion that a spirit God exist?This is as malnourished an evidence than anyone can imagine...... If we believe anything we read to exist, I am wrong to read a Quran & believe in Allah instead of YHWH?........ If you think this qualifies as an evidence in any way, then I'm sorry to say you lack knowledge when it comes to theological philosophy......... Jesus Christ about 2000 years ago predicted in one of his parables that christianity is going to be the largest religion on earth matthew 13:31-3231 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, 32 which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.” - Matthew 13: 31-32 What kind of vague-ass passage is this? ..... This passage says NOTHING about christianity eventually being the largest religion.... And this just proves that if you read the bible, Jesus only vaguely fulfils the prophecies. Even being generous and assuming everything in the New Testament happened as written......... If the Bible really wanted to prove its accuracy, God should have told Moses to inscribe the medalists of the 2016 Olympic Games - not some pseudo-history that would be impossible to verify....... Your prophecy is the kind that a few (ignorant) Christians like to pull from the debating bag...... Based on these "fulfilled prophecies" you are jumping to the claim that the Bible, as a whole, is the truth. This is the logical fallacy of overgeneralization. E.g some Christians think homosexuals are evil, therefore all Christians think homosexuals are evil). Based on those prophecies, I am printing my own edition of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Here are my prophecies: a) Tharr will be lightning that strikes homes b) Tharr will be rockets that malfunction c) Tharr will be ramen noodles thrown in the trash All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! his truth is omni-present!!! 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 9:48pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel: 1. Define these terms: spiritual, spirit, god. 2. What evidence do you have to show that these things: spiritual, spirit, god, exist. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by JujuSugar(f): 9:52pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel:Since you christians claim to value truth more than anything, i want to believe you are saying the truth that you've read the bible front to back.... so how does this predate bible?http://time.com/44631/noah-christians-flood-aronofsky/ There are other sub links in the post too. Look those up if you're interested...... If you need any more links of the Gilgamesh myth or other myths older than Noah's ark, let me know...... oga the op did not say that, okpe!!!You said and I quote: "Atheists, what are your proves or evidence that a spirit God do not exist?" Stop shooting yourself in the foot. Are you still denying this?.... Unlike you sir, i'm not confused .... I just want to make sure that YOU know what your statement implies...... forget the assignment,I was expecting this reply You mean you just happen to somehow know without evidence that the religion you follow just happens to be the only one in the entire history of the world that is absolutely correct? ....... What an amazing stroke of luck! ....... It’s a shame that all the people who follow the various other faiths mentioned above all think exactly the same way as you! Kudos, paxonel! You don’t seem to feel the need for evidence to support not believing in 99% of religions. We both agree on that...... Why do you think I suddenly need evidence to go just 1% further, namely the 1% that just happens to include only your own religion?........ Why does your religion require a different standard of epistemology to all the other religions you reject without a second thought, or even a first one?........... [img]https://media./images/75491050af5236464061d077827e4bb9/tenor.gif[/img] patapata la foju, kunna kunna la dete, oju afofotan ija ni da sile. You're out of your depth in this topic sir Here's a genuinely helpful tip for the future...... Believe whatever you want, but keep it to yourself. Don't try to challenge atheists, we've heard it all before and you're not going to make a dent ..... You'll be way happier just believing ......... Getting your arguments ripped to shreds isn't fun........ That kind of thing will make you doubt ........ 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 10:33pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel: Dafuq?! What kind silly reasoning is this? 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 11:25pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
johnydon22: you just a bitter bloke. Archaeological evidences have proven the existence of different occurrences as stated in the bible. White atheist I can understand But being an AFRICAN growing up in AFRICA and still being an atheist is the greatest form of fuvkery this earth has seen. Even if Jesus Christ appears to us all atheist will prolly shift goalpost to say our brains went through a phase. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by johnydon22(m): 11:28pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
PapiFlin:lol. ok |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 9:55am On Feb 20, 2019 |
PapiFlin: Which archaeological evidence proves which bible occurrence? Hope its not things like the existence of cities mentioned in the bible because that will also mean Spiderman is real because New York is mentioned in the comic. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by frank317: 11:06am On Feb 20, 2019 |
paxonel:Good for them? Shouldn't u be repenting for being in the wrong religion? Well, good for u too for being a Christian, which I think is wrong a deceitful. I have seen good and bad fruits in a religion and even in non religious people. How u claim monopoly of good deed is surprising. Ur God drowned people... What's good about that? Christianity has its rituals too... Fast, vigil, anointing oil, repeat prayer over and over again. Not a Muslims believe in killing or anyone, they will tell u its a misunderstanding of their holy book |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 3:22pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
frank317:if you are truly serious with all these your claims about christianity, you would have disproved the evidence presented by the op on this thread. Since you didnt mention anything about the evidence presented by the op, go and rest till you made up your mind to do so |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 3:26pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
UyiIredia:monkey, comment on the reasoning if you can or get out. Insulting people will not help you. Rubbish!! |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by frank317: 4:05pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
paxonel:Sorry, maybe I missed it, I have read ur op over and over again and I see no single evidence u presented. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 4:34pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
JujuSugar:this article was written by one Ishaan Thadoor, that is his opinion? You are buying peoples opinion without requesting for evidences? What happened to the wikipadia you posted before if not for your desire to make references to errors? let me ask you, do any of these articles present live evidences like what the op of this thread presented? You are yet to go back to the evidence or prove of God existence presented by the op to see whether there are any element of truth or lies in it.
So,how does this question by the op makes the op seem to think that(i quote you) evidence is required not to believe in something" according to you ?? Where is the correlation between what you seemingly think the op said with this question the op asked atheists "what are your proves that God do not exist??" [/quote] Unlike you sir, i'm not confused ....[/quote] yes, you are extremely confused by the op's consistency may be you should be sincere enough to seek clarification first, before you start thinking or presume you are yet to point out where the op said his religion christianity is the only religion in history or disprove the existence of other deities. absolutely correct? ....... i did not agree with you on that. The op presented evidence or prove of God existence, you did not comment on the proves pretending as if you did not see it. Rather, you were saying many other things which did not relate to the prove in a bid to beg the simple question the op asked atheists " what are your proves that God do not exist? ' If any atheist has presented any prof to support their belief that God do not exist, the op will look at it. The op has presented it own, but no atheist has commented anything on it, rather they are diverting the only evidence of whether God exist or not comes from my religion and the op has revealed the evidence. If you were not interested to see it, then you should not comment in the first place. It was meant for atheists who were interested to read it. do the other standards of epistemology have live evidence? Let them say it, i want to see it. The op gave an undisputable live evidence, that christ predicted that christianity was going to be the largest religion even before the christianity was created. And when we googled it live today, we saw that it was exactly what he said, and you people cannot díspute it That is a resounding evidence. Let other standard of epistemology bring their own evidence lets see how live it is Dont post article, Bring out a fact from the article to show that something happen and relate it to present day reality, that should be your prof |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 4:35pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
frank317:so what do you want? I should go all over again |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by budaatum: 4:50pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
paxonel:This is one of those things that Christians do that I find comical, they bait atheists, and I wonder why. The atheist says they see no God or spirits but you want them to say the things they don't see and have no evidence for, exists. Why, pax? Can the blind witness to those who see? Besides, does anyone "see" beyond the physical? paxonel:You missed out 'going to the Jesustician for Jesusglasses', which the atheist hasn't gone and got. paxonel:Actually, many. Too many to list. The inability of the atheist to see God or spirits is confirm by what they have read and the fact that Christians take their blindness seriously thereby affirming what they can't see. Or would you rather they lie that God and spirits they haven't seen exists? paxonel:Atheist do not depend on instinct, paxonel You hear them yelling, "show me the evidence for your God!" Atheists depend on evidence of their senses and will always present it when asked for it, I can vouch for that. paxonel:Who's record and for whom? By the way everyone, something needs to be done about history not being taught in Nigerian schools! I got tired of the rest! |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by paxonel(m): 6:02pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
budaatum:if any christian want atheists see God by all means,even when they dont want to see any evidence of his existence, it is wrong for that christian to do that. and that is the only place the evidence lies, where atheists hasn't gone and got. Now, it will be ok for them to say they have not gone and they dont want to go, therefore they dont know what theists are talking about like the agnostics have done certainly not! But they should remain neutral. I tell you one truth, the human mind is convinced by what he has seen, hear and read. If theists have read their holy book, it will only take atheists to equally read that same holy book for them to have a critical mind to dispute what theists have believed. Otherwise, its of no use countering them by the atheistic state of mind. the evidence the op presented is that Jesus christ in the bible predicted that christianity was going to be the largest religion, that was approximately 2000 years ago. We are in 2019 today, we can google it. Christianity is actually the religion with the largest adherents today. The question is, are there anything like that in human history that someone will predict something, after 2000 years the whole world is seeing the evidence of truth in the prediction? I am yet to see anything like that, if you have any, please let me know. evidence from senses isn't enough. Records and reality are more reliable. When holy books from theists serves as record, and that record points to a reality such as someone predicting something in the holy book and that thing became reality after a long period,then i dont know how senses can explain that? i will see how far nigeria as a nation will go, when people who were supposed to grow up to become tommorrow leaders do not understand their history 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 6:39pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
LordReed: Noah's ark in Turkey. The human and horse bones and also wheels of chariots in the red sea. And Gomorrah 99% sulphur content(which is extreme in the world). No forgetting Goliath's remains. The Internet is actually free for all. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 6:44pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
paxonel: They're all dull...All these follow follow black atheists. ...The bible predicted the mark of the beast on the exact parts of the body the obamacare wanted.....But nooo!!The 'smart ones' will say they're all coincidences. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by budaatum: 6:59pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
paxonel:Very wrong indeed. So wrong that I'm going to begin calling such people bokochristian haram! paxonel:How can they possibly say they have not gone to the 'Jesustician for Jesusglasses' when they have no evidence whatsoever that such a thing and place exists? paxonel:Really? Why? paxonel:I disagree with your "atheist mind". Even Christians read their own holy book and disagree, how much less atheists. The Christian just hasn't presented God in such a way that they may see. Perhaps they should try harder. paxonel:There are many texts, even much older than some parts of the Bible that predicted what is happening today. Try reading the works of Plato for starts. You'd think God wrote it himself. paxonel:O, not only "their own history", but the history of the universe as well. But, do not worry. We are here in the University of Nairaland preaching history to one another. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 8:29pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
PapiFlin: Nothing of such was ever found. The closest was some pieces of wood that when dated showed it couldn't have been part of Noah's Ark, it was too recent. The human and horse bones and also wheels of chariots in the red sea. No such artifacts were ever recovered. Even the so called discovery turned out to be just coral formations.
Can not find any scieentific data on this. Can you provide a link? No forgetting Goliath's remains. This one is purely fake, all the supposed pictures are fake. The Internet is actually free for all. Yes I have searched and nothing substantial has emerged. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 9:56pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
LordReed: Chai....This is the most well constructed BS replies I've ever seen in my short time on NL. Noah's ark were pieces of wood?? where oga I'm not sure you're talking about the one in mount ararat. Humans and horses remains are corals?? WHEELS are corals I expected you to be smarter than this. And pictures of Goliath's remains are fake??...I'm done with you bruh. Don't ask for any link...if you'd rather wallow in your ignorance than using a little bit of data and time to search for issues pertaining faith without a prejudiced mind then so be it. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 10:06pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
PapiFlin: This is how stupid you turned out to be, instead of proving proof to counter my response you go on a stupid rant. You are both foolish and stupid. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 11:40pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
LordReed: God bless fam. But next time try doing a lil bit of research before wanking your ignorance all over a forum as big as NL. Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 11:44pm On Feb 20, 2019 |
LordReed: God bless fam. But next time try doing a lil bit of research before wanking your ignorance all over a forum as big as NL. Not everyone has time to go back and forth over information that's readily available on the Internet. Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 1:27am On Feb 21, 2019 |
PapiFlin: This is why you are stupid, the information that refutes all your fake evidence is right there on the internet but you won't find it because fake pictures has you convinced. |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by PapiFlin(m): 12:11pm On Feb 21, 2019 |
LordReed: alright fam. whatever paddles your canoe. God bless. 1 Like |
Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by LordReed(m): 12:33pm On Feb 21, 2019 |
PapiFlin: Next time bring real facts not fake arse nonsense. Bye! |
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