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Maximus69:
We all know that the only reference book for authentic information about everlasting life is the holy scriptures, but when it comes to facts we can't help it than to gather proofs from other secular historical books to get it.

You are being ambivalent here. Which one will you choose?

Maximus69:
The Bible wasn't written originally in english,therefore all the translations available today must be subjected to scrutiny if we want to know the TRUTH which was penned down by those first century Jews. One thing i've discovered so far is that there is lesser or virtually no disagreements on the Hebrew~Aramaic scriptures{Old Testament},most of the contradictions is found in the Christian Greek scriptures{New Testament}
I believe we need not to put our complete trust in any of today's translation until we compare the texts with facts from ancient events.

Does this mean that you have put your whole trust in the Watchtower magazine? Let me put it to you in another way. Let's say that I'm a soldier and I can only choose from two weapons, and I want the weapon that will both save my life and the folks around me. Which one would you choose, The Bible or Watchtower magazine?

Maximus69:
Pilate wrote something and placed it above Jesus' head and no translation dispute that,so it's simple that what was written could have been hung on anything like a nail or tied to the pole.

If the sign Pilate wrote was placed over Jesus' head, where were Jesus' hands?

Maximus69:
Please Olaadegbu, anybody who wants to know the truth can check the real meaning of 'Stauros' which means a straight pole,plank or stake.
The traditional 'Cross' was deliberately used as a translation of 'Stauros' to support the worship of the Cross which was an ancient deity on it's own!

Let's limit ourselves to the infallible word of God for now. Where were Jesus' hands if the sign was placed over His head?

Maximus69:
Hmmm that's really thoughtful! So is it true that the GB has sometimes sent a warning to all devoted JWs to desist from on going arguments on social media?
Truthfully speaking,there are many questions i had at first but while following threads like this i got a glimpse of what JWs had then i'll later meet my conductor one on one to be sure of what i've seen on NL.
To be candid JWs have flushed out all the fake religious ideologies and superstitious beliefs that i do carry in my head before now! And i'm really greatful to have you people around. Did you know it was difficult for me to agree that Jesus wasn't executed on a cross?
But after a thorough research ranging from secular history to encyclopedias that i had to let go the idea yet i'm wondering why aren't most people doing research to verify facts? A book i read on paganism answered the question 'Paganism connotes shallow knowledge of deities taught to be divine!' So most people are still practicing paganism since they're not ready to get to the root of certain traditions handed over to them! The irony of this is most of them even claims to be christians pointing accusing fingers at masqueraders who are just like them in sticking to old traditions without thorough scrutiny.
Thanks Janosky, but i won't argue with anyone because i've noticed that many only wish to trade hurtful words and insults,i'll only engage by tactfully asking or answering questions based on my little understanding of the scriptures until i also become a full flesh JW!

Maximus69: Here you are, paragraph 10 of the cited material........

10. Today, Jehovah’s people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation. Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them. It would be unwise to engage in debates with apostates, whether in person, by responding to their blogs, or by any other form of communication. Even when the intention is to help the individual, such conversation would be contrary to the Scriptural direction we just considered. Rather, as Jehovah’s people, we completely avoid, yes reject, apostasy.


Analysis.......
Watchtower cited..... Today, Jehovah’s people ARE NOT OFTEN CONFRONTED with APOSTASY within the CONGREGATION.

Achorladey: No statistics is presented to convince the members of JWS that the above is true. Members only need to take it hook line and sinker.


Watchtower cited......... Still, when EXPOSED to unscriptural TEACHINGS, regardless of the SOURCE, we must DECISIVELY REJECT THEM.

Achorladey: One can only wonder will or can the JWS DECISIVELY REJECT unscriptural TEACHINGS coming from the GOVERNING BODY regardless of the fact THAT the SOURCE is from the GOVERNING BODY. Hahahahahaha.


Watchtower cited...... It would be UNWISE to engage in DEBATES with APOSTATES, whether in PERSON, by responding to their BLOGS, or by any other form of COMMUNICATION. Even when the INTENTION is to help the INDIVIDUAL, such CONVERSATION would be contrary to the SCRIPTURAL DIRECTION we just CONSIDERED.

Achorladey: Maximus69, do you see Janosky as an individual not COMPLYING with the ORGANIZATION direction?

Can one rightly call those engaging the JWS on this PLATFORM APOSTATES? Who is an APOSTATE from the GB viewpoint?


Rather, as JEHOVAH’S PEOPLE, we completely avoid, yes reject, APOSTASY.

Do the JWs have the WILL power and MIND to REJECT APOSTASY WERE the SOURCE of such APOSTATE teaching be from the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

A very good example below.......


"But JEHOVAH GOD has also PROVIDED his VISIBLE ORGANIZATION, his "FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE", made up of spirit-anointed ONES, to help Christians in all nations to understand and APPLY PROPERLY the BIBLE in their LIVES. UNLESS we ARE in TOUCH with this CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION that GOD is USING, we will NOT PROGRESS along the ROAD to LIFE, no MATTER how much BIBLE READING we DO." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27

Achorladey: A scripture to back up the VISIBLE ORGANIZATION will just be fine if made available by the JWS/GB.

Another scripture to SHOW that the VISIBLE ORGANIZATION is GOD'S CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION will be welcomed as well from the JWS/GB.

You can tell from the cited material the FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE do not look like one APPLYING the scriptures PROPERLY. It is an example though. In one swoop John 14:6 Hebrews 1:1,2 Hebrews 4:12 got confirmed into ANNALS of APOSTASY.

Janosky:
Crooked spiritual fraudster, "the Head of Christ is God" 1Cor11:3.

confused false jw
Father is the head of the Son, oh duh who would have thought

Janosky: Mumu Pharisee, Jesus said "the scriptures can not be broken... I am God's son" John 10:34-36.

confused know nothing
oh duh again, yes Jesus is God's Son, mary didn't give birth to His Spirit the word of God
as you argued against me for posts and posts

Janosky: Why did you omit Col1:13-15 , ("The Father... transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of His love.... (who is ) the exact likeness of the unseen God. He is the first born of ALL creation" (( in other words, "Lord Jehovah created me", ( his son Jesus) at the beginning of his creation and from before ALL of his works",Prov 8:22 ))
those verses DESTROYED your twisted ,WAYO interpretation of Col1:16,17.

i omitted nothing oh great liar like your daddy, i posted all that is necessary and which you don't believe:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Janosky: **** Again, 1Cor 15:24-27 further DESTROYED your twisted ,WAYO interpretation of Col1:16,17.

scripture does not contradict scripture, you do that
because you don't have any understanding

Janosky: "vs16.... All things were created and exist THROUGH him ((Greek "Dia autou " is also the same exact word in John 1:3)). It rhymes with Pro8;27, " I was there when HE Jehovah established the heavens...
v30"Then I was the craftsman at his side"

*** "By him" is a cheap FRAUD to distort the scriptures.

** Spiritual fraudster dey twist & import wayo ideas & fake interpretation into the holy Bible.

*** Prov30:6 & Rev 22:18,19 still dey ring alarm to you.

truly disbeliever of God, the Word Jesus Christ created all that was created
nothing was created without Jesus


truly lying twister of God's word, Father God had the Word Jesus Christ created everything that was created
Father God never created anything except by Jesus, without Jesus was nothing made, oh duh duh duh:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

Janosky: ** Like I told you before, coming to a JW thread was your gross error.
Your Trinity scam done scatter & fall yakata..

oh puffed up self righteous pharisee
ha ha, on the contrary i successfully come here to show false jw's to be liars, taking after your daddy and god, the father of lies

Janosky: *** Last last, come and twist & dey misquote John 8:44.

lying pharisee deceiver janosky/OneJ
i will quote it for you exactly as it applies, oh son of the devil:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ
Jesus and paul speak of you:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

^^^ no one travels more than false jw's in doing their god of this world's work

Act 13:10  And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
Sir, i've been trained{though not yet a member} by devoted members of JWs

I chose to become one of them

mad max, there was never any doubt about it, and it's where you belong:

johnw47:
you would make a good false jw max, they lie like hell also

Maximus69: i won't accept a discuss from someone who gets easily angered emotionally because religious intolerance has led many to early grave,been killed or end up killing themselves!

you are talking about your false jw brother Janosky/OneJ

are you still around brothel mouth?

OLAADEGBU:
You are being ambivalent here. Which one will you choose?



Does this mean that you have put your whole trust in the Watchtower magazine? Let me put it to you in another way. Let's say that I'm a soldier and I can only choose from two weapons, and I want the weapon that will both save my life and the folks around me. Which one would you choose, The Bible or Watchtower magazine?

Good morning Sir,please note that i'm not interested in arguments but facts and findings!
As i have explained the Bible is the ONLY source of guidance needed for our spirituals growth,yet there are those assigned to broaden the understanding of others by explaining the deeper things. I know you worship with one church and you can't say that there is no other publications taught to be Bible based been put to use in your church!
JWs can speak with you using your own preferred translation of the Bible,their teachers of course have published so many books that has helped members to get the accurate understanding of the Bible{as they claim}. So instead of criticizing them for publishing books used as Bible study aid,why not compared what you've heard from them to your own beliefs to be sure they're wrong?
During the first century,the only authentic source of divine guidance is the Hebrew~Aramaic scriptures {Genesis~Malachi}and all Israelites and proselytes strongly believe in those inspired books written by the prophets. But when the Christians began worshiping God in a different setting,every other group criticized them a lot saying there shouldn't be any other books written for the worship of the God of Abraham. Today you and i have accepted those books as part of the inspired scriptures,calling it the New Testament but mind you the Jews till today are still claiming that we don't need those books{Matthew~Revelations}. Well i'm not saying the JWs are publishing books to replace the Bible but if your church has printed any publication that is currently in use to help members get the deeper understanding of the Bible,then it is pointless discouraging people from reading the publications of JWs.

OLAADEGBU:
If the sign Pilate wrote was placed over Jesus' head, where were Jesus' hands?



Let's limit ourselves to the infallible word of God for now. Where were Jesus' hands if the sign was placed over His head?

I wasn't present during the event Sir,so i can't say for sure whether Pilate's writing was close to his head or above his hands. But what the history of Romans reveal is that criminals back then were fastened to a straight pole or stake not a Cross! It's left for unbiased individuals now to try and visualise where the sign could have been placed.

achorladey:
Maximus69: Here you are, paragraph 10 of the cited material........

10. Today, Jehovah’s people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation. Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them. It would be unwise to engage in debates with apostates, whether in person, by responding to their blogs, or by any other form of communication. Even when the intention is to help the individual, such conversation would be contrary to the Scriptural direction we just considered. Rather, as Jehovah’s people, we completely avoid, yes reject, apostasy.


Analysis.......
Watchtower cited..... Today, Jehovah’s people ARE NOT OFTEN CONFRONTED with APOSTASY within the CONGREGATION.

Achorladey: No statistics is presented to convince the members of JWS that the above is true. Members only need to take it hook line and sinker.


Watchtower cited......... Still, when EXPOSED to unscriptural TEACHINGS, regardless of the SOURCE, we must DECISIVELY REJECT THEM.

Achorladey: One can only wonder will or can the JWS DECISIVELY REJECT unscriptural TEACHINGS coming from the GOVERNING BODY regardless of the fact THAT the SOURCE is from the GOVERNING BODY. Hahahahahaha.


Watchtower cited...... It would be UNWISE to engage in DEBATES with APOSTATES, whether in PERSON, by responding to their BLOGS, or by any other form of COMMUNICATION. Even when the INTENTION is to help the INDIVIDUAL, such CONVERSATION would be contrary to the SCRIPTURAL DIRECTION we just CONSIDERED.

Achorladey: Maximus69, do you see Janosky as an individual not COMPLYING with the ORGANIZATION direction?

Can one rightly call those engaging the JWS on this PLATFORM APOSTATES? Who is an APOSTATE from the GB viewpoint?


Rather, as JEHOVAH’S PEOPLE, we completely avoid, yes reject, APOSTASY.

Do the JWs have the WILL power and MIND to REJECT APOSTASY WERE the SOURCE of such APOSTATE teaching be from the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

A very good example below.......


"But JEHOVAH GOD has also PROVIDED his VISIBLE ORGANIZATION, his "FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE", made up of spirit-anointed ONES, to help Christians in all nations to understand and APPLY PROPERLY the BIBLE in their LIVES. UNLESS we ARE in TOUCH with this CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION that GOD is USING, we will NOT PROGRESS along the ROAD to LIFE, no MATTER how much BIBLE READING we DO." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27

Achorladey: A scripture to back up the VISIBLE ORGANIZATION will just be fine if made available by the JWS/GB.

Another scripture to SHOW that the VISIBLE ORGANIZATION is GOD'S CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION will be welcomed as well from the JWS/GB.

You can tell from the cited material the FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE do not look like one APPLYING the scriptures PROPERLY. It is an example though. In one swoop John 14:6 Hebrews 1:1,2 Hebrews 4:12 got confirmed into ANNALS of APOSTASY.

Oh thanks Mr achorladey for fetching those materials!
So now that you've found the instruction as written by the GB of JWs,we can emphatically say 'devoted members of JWs are faithfully following the instructions from their overseers'
As for the scriptures to back this,i don't think you really need that since you're not convinced the GB is the ONLY Chanel of communication between God and man. As for close to 9B individuals who strictly adhere to those instructions,it's understandable that each one of them have their personal reasons! Trust begins like a drop of water which grew till it becomes a might ocean. I believe the Bible and put my trust in what the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob says about the future today just because i've considered how he has proved to be the one and only true God in the past. So if some people claims to be atheists today and i decide to trust God's promises,i think there shouldn't be any dispute over that! Jehovah's Witnesses globally are looking at these 8 old men as their Governing Body therefore i can't blame them for putting faith in their Government which they strongly believe is under the direction of Jesus and Jehovah!

johnw47:
mad max, there was never any doubt about it, and it's where you belong:







you are talking about your false jw brother Janosky/OneJ

are you still around brothel mouth?

Hi Sir,why do you have to label someone who has not cursed or abused you 'mad'? Is it by force that i must think the way you do?
Sir i thought it's only Mr Hairyrapunzel that is aggressive in this podium,are you also of that sort?
Please Sir i've been trained by DEVOTED members of the JWs to be tactful and respectful always,though before now i would be thinking of how to trade insults with you but thanks to Jehovah i'm now a new personality{changed person}.Ephesians 4:24,Colossians 3:10
I think you too need to learn such virtuous attributes from devoted JWs and stop this fruitless,worthless,abusive,insulting,curses and unwarranted arguments with those half baked JWs.
God bless you!

Maximus69:
Hi Sir,why do you have to label someone who has not cursed or abused you 'mad'? Is it by force that i must think the way you do?
Sir i thought it's only Mr Hairyrapunzel that is aggressive in this podium,are you also of that sort?
Please Sir i've been trained by DEVOTED members of the JWs to be tactful and respectful always,though before now i would be thinking of how to trade insults with you but thanks to Jehovah i'm now a new personality{changed person}.Ephesians 4:24,Colossians 3:10
I think you too need to learn such virtuous attributes from devoted JWs and stop this fruitless,worthless,abusive,insulting,curses and unwarranted arguments with those half baked JWs.
God bless you!

Lol. So it is now hairyrapunzel is aggressive. Lol.
Last last your paradise earth and Armageddon are imaginary. In other words, it's not real and it's never going to happen because it's only inside your head and magazines. The earlier you come to terms with this the better for you.

Hairyrapunzel:
Lol. So it is now hairyrapunzel is aggressive. Lol.
Last last your paradise earth and Armageddon are imaginary. In other words, it's not real and it's never going to happen because it's only inside your head and magazines. The earlier you come to terms with this the better for you.

PEACE! Mr Hairyrapunzel,
It's has been agreed upon globally by world leaders that we are free to think,talk and act as we are pleased,provided 'nothing we're doing to PHYSICALLY cause harm to our neighbours'.
So if you truthfully think that whatever anyone believes is just the imagination of his/her naughty skull,then you're surely having PEACE in you! That's why i keep saying 'peace' Sir,and may you have true peace. Good morning!

Maximus69:
Good morning Sir,please note that i'm not interested in arguments but facts and findings!

I'm only interested in the Truth and the truth is not a concept but a personality.

Maximus69:
As i have explained the Bible is the ONLY source of guidance needed for our spirituals growth,yet there are those assigned to broaden the understanding of others by explaining the deeper things. I know you worship with one church and you can't say that there is no other publications taught to be Bible based been put to use in your church!

Which one is inspired, the holy scriptures or the Watchtower magazines?

Maximus69:
JWs can speak with you using your own preferred translation of the Bible,their teachers of course have published so many books that has helped members to get the accurate understanding of the Bible{as they claim}. So instead of criticizing them for publishing books used as Bible study aid,why not compared what you've heard from them to your own beliefs to be sure they're wrong?

That's what I believe I am doing here. We can use the KJV in our discussions and where you feel it doesn't convey your beliefs then you can quote what the NWT says in that instance.

Maximus69:
During the first century,the only authentic source of divine guidance is the Hebrew~Aramaic scriptures {Genesis~Malachi}and all Israelites and proselytes strongly believe in those inspired books written by the prophets. But when the Christians began worshiping God in a different setting,every other group criticized them a lot saying there shouldn't be any other books written for the worship of the God of Abraham. Today you and i have accepted those books as part of the inspired scriptures,calling it the New Testament but mind you the Jews till today are still claiming that we don't need those books{Matthew~Revelations}. Well i'm not saying the JWs are publishing books to replace the Bible but if your church has printed any publication that is currently in use to help members get the deeper understanding of the Bible,then it is pointless discouraging people from reading the publications of JWs.

Since I don't trust your Watchtower magazine and I assume you will not trust in my bible aids, let's come to a common ground where we both trust in the Old Testament of the Bible and you use the NWT. While I use the both the Old and New testaments of the holy scriptures (KJV) you can use both the Old and New Testaments of your version of the Bible (NWT) as a point of reference in our discussion, deal?

Maximus69:
I wasn't present during the event Sir,so i can't say for sure whether Pilate's writing was close to his head or above his hands. But what the history of Romans reveal is that criminals back then were fastened to a straight pole or stake not a Cross! It's left for unbiased individuals now to try and visualise where the sign could have been placed.

Since you weren't there let me help you out with the eyewitness' account of those who were there 'during the event.'

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

Note the underlined in the verse quoted above. It says the sign was placed "over His head." Do you agree with this truth or you want to go with what secular historians say?

OLAADEGBU:
I'm only interested in the Truth and the truth is not a concept but a personality.



Which one is inspired, the holy scriptures or the Watchtower magazines?



That's what I believe I am doing here. We can use the KJV in our discussions and where you feel it doesn't convey your beliefs then you can quote what the NWT says in that instance.



Since I don't trust your Watchtower magazine and I assume you will not trust in my bible aids, let's come to a common ground where we both trust in the Old Testament of the Bible and you use the NWT. While I use the both the Old and New testaments of the holy scriptures (KJV) you can use both the Old and New Testaments of your version of the Bible (NWT) as a point of reference in our discussion, deal?

Hmmm i think TRUTH connotes FACTS perhaps we can find another definition for it Sir.
The Bible is what all of us must rely upon as the inspired word of God.
During my research i used several translations to be sure of what i want to grip before i can confidently say 'yes,this is the TRUTH' so it's better we don't rely on just one or two translations,remember those translators can err and if we don't make critical comparisons for cross examination on their works, we might not find the real truth of the matter!
There is just one deal i can have with you Sir, let's first agree that both of us are christians,then iron out our differences NOT with the intention of subjecting one another to ridicule but just to be certain of what you believe and what i believe about Christ. That is why we have divers denominations in christianity, otherwise there would have been unresolved disputes between our various overseers leading to uncontrolled social unrest in the society!

Maximus69:
Hmmm i think TRUTH connotes FACTS perhaps we can find another definition for it Sir.
The Bible is what all of us must rely upon as the inspired word of God.
During my research i used several translations to be sure of what i want to grip before i can confidently say 'yes,this is the TRUTH' so it's better we don't rely on just one or two translations,remember those translators can err and if we don't make critical comparisons for cross examination on their works, we might not find the real truth of the matter!
There is just one deal i can have with you Sir, let's first agree that both of us are christians,then iron out our differences NOT with the intention of subjecting one another to ridicule but just to be certain of what you believe and what i believe about Christ. That is why we have divers denominations in christianity, otherwise there would have been unresolved disputes between our various overseers leading to uncontrolled social unrest in the society!

Since you agree with me that the Bible is the inspired word of God and not the Watchtower magazine, let's go from there.

OLAADEGBU:
Since you agree with me that the Bible is the inspired word of God and not the Watchtower magazine, let's go from there.

Yes Sir,so during our discuss please let's try to avoid pointing accusing fingers to the source of our understanding of the Bible and moreover we can quote from any available translation for references! So stop accusing the watchtower and if you've noticed in my posts,i never point accusing fingers to any source of doctrines,i only concentrated on what i understood from the Bible!

Maximus69:
Yes Sir,so during our discuss please let's try to avoid pointing accusing fingers to the source of our understanding of the Bible and moreover we can quote from any available translation for references! So stop accusing the watchtower and if you've noticed in my posts,i never point accusing fingers to any source of doctrines,i only concentrated on what i understood from the Bible!

The same goes for any extra-biblical reference. We should all base our convictions on the inspired word of God in arriving at the Truth. Can you now answer the question of where you believe Jesus' hands were at the crucifixion, using Matthew 27:37 quoted in my penultimate post above?

OLAADEGBU:
The same goes for any extra-biblical reference. We should all base our convictions on the inspired word of God in arriving at the Truth. Can you now answer the question of where you believe Jesus' hands were at the crucifixion, using Matthew 27:37 quoted in my penultimate post above?

Hmmmm don't forget what i said from the onset Sir 'this is NOT about ridiculing the beliefs of someone claiming christian,but to know the facts of matters since it's starring up controversies'
Well above his head is what all the translations mentioned,of course literally one can conclude that this sign was placed on top of his head. But considering the language and ethics of those penning down those words,we shouldn't forget how they often illustrate guiltiness of crime. For instance when answering Pilate they said 'let his blood come upon our heads,and that of our children' Matthew 27:25, 2 Samuel 1:16
So what the writer had in mind could also mean 'the accusation was placed on his head' NOT compulsorily placing it on top of his head.
Therefore to solve this we need to check the history of Rome to know for certain what they do use back then in the execution of criminals,is it a cross or a stake?

Maximus69:
Hmmmm don't forget what i said from the onset Sir 'this is NOT about ridiculing the beliefs of someone claiming christian,but to know the facts of matters since it's starring up controversies'
Well above his head is what all the translations mentioned,of course literally one can conclude that this sign was placed on top of his head. But considering the language and ethics of those penning down those words,we shouldn't forget how they often illustrate guiltiness of crime. For instance when answering Pilate they said 'let his blood come upon our heads,and that of our children' Matthew 27:25, 2 Samuel 1:16
So what the writer had in mind could also mean 'the accusation was placed on his head' NOT compulsorily placing it on top of his head.
Therefore to solve this we need to check the history of Rome to know for certain what they do use back then in the execution of criminals,is it a cross or a stake?

Remember that our modus operandi will be the inspired holy scriptures, nothing else. The statement of eyewitnesses said that the sign was placed 'over His head.' The language and context are clear enough for the unbiased mind to understand. We understand the language when the Jews said 'let His blood be upon us' we do not need to read other meanings into the plain language of the Bible, it is not complicated when we read it with an open mind.

OLAADEGBU:
Remember that our modus operandi will be the inspired holy scriptures, nothing else. The statement of eyewitnesses said that the sign was placed 'over His head.' The language and context are clear enough for the unbiased mind to understand. We understand the language when the Jews said 'let His blood be upon us' we do not need to read other meanings into the plain language of the Bible, it is not complicated when we read it with an open mind.

Well upon his head or above his head meant the same thing to those Jews, and since some translation of the holy scripture rendered it cross and some rendered it stake, there is no other way to resolve it than going back to secular history of the so called executioner 'Roman Empire'!
If two foreigners read something pertaining to the tribes in the western part of nigeria but they both had different perspectives regarding what was read,the best thing to do is to cross check from the historical background of this tribe that's the best way i think it could be resolved Sir!

Maximus69:
Well upon his head or above his head meant the same thing to those Jews, and since some translation of the holy scripture rendered it cross and some rendered it stake, there is no other way to resolve it than going back to secular history of the so called executioner 'Roman Empire'!
If two foreigners read something pertaining to the tribes in the western part of nigeria but they both had different perspectives regarding what was read,the best thing to do is to cross check from the historical background of this tribe that's the best way i think it could be resolved Sir!

I do not need to go to sinful secular men to understand what my Holy Father's love letter means. I don't think it will be difficult for a person who is born into a Chinese family to understand the Chinese language. Now if I have to go to a Nigerian for me to understand my father's letter written in Chinese then there is a problem.

I can only go by what the holy scriptures say, it says 'over His head.' Now, if the sign was placed over His head, where would His hands be?

Maximus69:
Well upon his head or above his head meant the same thing to those Jews, and since some translation of the holy scripture rendered it cross and some rendered it stake, there is no other way to resolve it than going back to secular history of the so called executioner 'Roman Empire'!
If two foreigners read something pertaining to the tribes in the western part of nigeria but they both had different perspectives regarding what was read,the best thing to do is to cross check from the historical background of this tribe that's the best way i think it could be resolved Sir!

Gbam !
5 star salute to you, my bro.
No mind the Pharisee wey say he no dey "venerate cross" but he dey defend cross whereas the Bible's stauros is simply an upright pole, a stake (the type used for public execution of convicted armed robbers like Anini & his gang) with out any cross beam attached.

***Whatever Pilate wrote ,is not the instrument for the impalement of Jesus Christ.

The point is that before Jesus came, the Jews had always hanged criminals on a stake, simply an upright pole , with out a beam. (Josh8:29. Esth 7:9,10.Ezra6:11.).
The same practice was evident in Jesus' case (Acts 5:30) , as a result,in Gal3:13, Paul quoted Deu21:22 ,23.

OLAADEGBU:
Remember that our modus operandi will be the inspired holy scriptures, nothing else. The statement of eyewitnesses said that the sign was placed 'over His head.' The language and context are clear enough for the unbiased mind to understand. We understand the language when the Jews said 'let His blood be upon us' we do not need to read other meanings into the plain language of the Bible, it is not complicated when we read it with an open mind.

Straw man argument.
The stuff wey Pontius Pilate write, na that one be the instrument wey them use hang Jesus?
Na wa ooo!

Janosky:
Gbam !
5 star salute to you, my bro.
No mind the Pharisee wey say he no dey "venerate cross" but he dey defend cross whereas the Bible's stauros is simply an upright pole, a stake (the type used for public execution of convicted armed robbers like Anini & his gang) with out any cross beam attached.

***Whatever Pilate wrote ,is not the instrument for the impalement of Jesus Christ.

The point is that before Jesus came, the Jews had always hanged criminals on a stake, simply an upright pole , with out a beam. (Josh8:29. Esth 7:9,10.Ezra6:11.).
The same practice was evident in Jesus' case (Acts 5:30) , as a result,in Gal3:13, Paul quoted Deu21:22 ,23.

Do you believe the the Bible is the inspired word of God?

Janosky:
Straw man argument.
The stuff wey Pontius Pilate write, na that one be the instrument wey them use hang Jesus?
Na wa ooo!

Between the Bible and the Watchtower magazine, which one do you trust your eternal destiny to?

Janosky:
Gbam !
5 star salute to you, my bro.
No mind the Pharisee wey say he no dey "venerate cross" but he dey defend cross whereas the Bible's stauros is simply an upright pole, a stake (the type used for public execution of convicted armed robbers like Anini & his gang) with out any cross beam attached.

***Whatever Pilate wrote ,is not the instrument for the impalement of Jesus Christ.

The point is that before Jesus came, the Jews had always hanged criminals on a stake, simply an upright pole , with out a beam. (Josh8:29. Esth 7:9,10.Ezra6:11.).
The same practice was evident in Jesus' case (Acts 5:30) , as a result,in Gal3:13, Paul quoted Deu21:22 ,23.

Is it the Jews or romans that executed jesus Christ?

OLAADEGBU:
I do not need to go to sinful secular men to understand what my Holy Father's love letter means. I don't think it will be difficult for a person who is born into a Chinese family to understand the Chinese language. Now if I have to go to a Nigerian for me to understand my father's letter written in Chinese then there is a problem.

I can only go by what the holy scriptures say, it says 'over His head.' Now, if the sign was placed over His head, where would His hands be?

Hmmm
I told you earlier before now that i'm not interested in arguments Sir,just to ascertain the facts surrounding the story.
Roman authority executed Jesus.
His followers penned down the event.
People from other races had interest in the matter.
Their translations confused later generations.
Now that we want to know exactly how Jesus was executed,could it have been that the Romans changed the instrument for execution because Jesus must die on a CROSS? What exactly do Romans use back then to impale criminals,STAKE or CROSS?
I don't think we need to be heady about this Sir,if the secular history of Roman Empire says criminals were fastened on Crosses, then Jesus must have been executed on one since he is of no importance to them and moreover two criminals were executed alongside him meaning three persons were executed the same day!
If you choose to believe the translation that says CROSS, it's OK and if another person decides to believe the translation that says STAKE fine. All still boils to the same point 'Jesus was executed by the Roman government' so it's left for individuals to tell who cares how exactly you believe he was killed!

Maximus69:
Hmmm
I told you earlier before now that i'm not interested in arguments Sir,just to ascertain the facts surrounding the story.
Roman authority executed Jesus.
His followers penned down the event.
People from other races had interest in the matter.
Their translations confused later generations.
Now that we want to know exactly how Jesus was executed,could it have been that the Romans changed the instrument for execution because Jesus must die on a CROSS? What exactly do Romans use back then to impale criminals,STAKE or CROSS?
I don't think we need to be heady about this Sir,if the secular history of Roman Empire says criminals were fastened on Crosses, then Jesus must have been executed on one since he is of no importance to them and moreover two criminals were executed alongside him meaning three persons were executed the same day!
If you choose to believe the translation that says CROSS, it's OK and if another person decides to believe the translation that says STAKE fine. All still boils to the same point 'Jesus was executed by the Roman government' so it's left for individuals to tell who cares how exactly you believe he was killed!

How many nails went into Jesus' hands?

OLAADEGBU:
How many nails went into Jesus' hands?

That question could only be answered CORRECTLY if we know 'how many nails the Roman executioners often use to impale criminals back then!

Maximus69:
That question could only be answered CORRECTLY if we know 'how many nails the Roman executioners often use to impale criminals back then!

Let's look into the holy scriptures for clues.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

Now, considering what Thomas said in the verse above, is it one nail or more than one?

OLAADEGBU:
Between the Bible and the Watchtower magazine, which one do you trust your eternal destiny to?

U are slyly dodging the point. The watchtower has strongly emphasized the biblical proof that Jesus was impaled on a stake , an upright pole (Greek stauros Acts5:30, Paul referenced it in Gal3:13, he lifted from Deu21:22,23, ) , u are here defending the cross, a pagan symbol u have claimed that u don't "venerate".
U have not answered the Jamb question posed to you:
Is the statement written by Pontius Pilate, the actual instrument used for the impalement of our lord Jesus Christ?