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rs172:
Funny enough, you will japaa to canada with visiting visa...

Just be talking trash.

if I were you, I would Focus on finishing my nysc and getting a job.

reading and learning

maternal:
People in Nigeria get taxed twice for almost everything, with the cost of living going up, while the quality of life decreases. You go for holidays to cheaper African countries because you can't get visa to a decent country overseas, nor can the naira even compete if you do get a visa for abroad. Its good to be positive but lets stop insulting ourselves here.

exactly

maternal:
Exactly. You go to these countries due to condition, not really by choice. Levels get levels. Back to the tax situation, when you pay for a service twice, you're getting double taxed. When you pay taxes and its suppose to fund your education, healthcare, roads/infrastructure system,etc, yet it doesn't, and you now have to pay out of pocket for these same services you've already paid taxes for, you're being double taxed. period !

When you need healthcare, do you go to your tax funded public hospital ? No. You go to a private hospital, essentially pay twice for healthcare.

When you need to educate your kids, do you go to your tax funded schools ? No. You go to a private school, essentially pay twice for education.

Why do you pay neppa bill yet get no light ? Then you now have to buy gen and fuel it up. Aren't you paying twice for electricity ?

My brotha I can go on. People in Nigeria are constantly getting double taxed and paying twice for almost every essential services. But for some reason they're too stupid to realize it.

He does not understand it

maternal:
You went from "where are people taxed twice in nigeria" to "all I see is complainers". This makes me believe you were one of the stupid ones who didn't realize they were getting taxed twice. I've given many simple solutions. Break up this British made nation and each ethnic group should go their own way. Or burn alive any politician who has been caught being corrupted on national TV, including their friends/family. Any other solution isn't realistic.

even breaking up the country will not solve anything

will that change the repugnant mentality prevalent in Nigeria?

Yuugen:
So true.

So true. People come here to form as if Canada is heaven, they won't tell u how they're living check to check, abt all the bills they've to pay every month (heating, water, electricity, internet, car, mortgage, etc), abt healthcare not being completely free but there r things you pay out of pocket for, abt their 30k, 50k, 70k student loans or other debts on their neck they've to be making monthly payments toward. I'm in the U.S but have friends in Canada and know how their reality

What is the percentage of Nigerians that are NOT living from paychevk to pay check?

For many hawkers and other unfortunate Nigerians, but going to hawk or to the shop or going out generally for THREE days at a stretch will put them in financial trouble

I have seen this with my eyes; how a woman who hawks beans in Lagos back then got sick, and in one week, her family was already in serious trouble

So what are you saying

Those who are working in the formal sector (which btw is very small and constricted) compared to its mates in other climes, How many of them can sustain themselves after being fired for even three months?

We saw how people became wretched overnight after the record job losses in 2016

Add that to the civil servant that are owed for months and are dying like rats

Baba Nigeria is a $hithole third world failed state.
the fact that a SMALL circle seems to be doing marginally better than the vast majority (which btw also expose you to security risk) does not change that.

I'm.not against whoever decided to remain there o, but it is what it is...

A failed state is a failed state

maternal:
I know you're trolling, but I have some time today.

Car insurance- In a civilized society it's important to have insurance to pay out people if you hurt them or damage their property with your car.

Mortgage- A nice investment. Not only do you own the house after X amount of years, the value of your house also goes up. So in X amount of years you're a home owner, unlike an average man who'll be paying rent and die without owning property or passing it down to their children. In a civilized country it's important everyone has a chance to own property whether you can do it by cash, or signing on to a mortgage.

Sales Taxes- These taxes are used to fund public services like healthcare so we don't have to pay out of pocket. Unlike in naija, people abroad don't pay for these services twice.

Income tax- Is used to again pay for crucial services and infrastructure, and gives the government money to operate.

Property tax- This tax is used to fund schools nearby and emergency services like police and fire. It'd cost more if you paid for it privately out of pocket.

House insurance- It can be optional. But one gets a pay out if their house is burned down for example. Plus it's usually dirt cheap.

Employment insurance- If one loses their job, the gov't will pay them small salary for close to a year until they get back on their feet. So they don't need to beg.

I fail to see why you're mentioning these taxes ? You see once the mandatory taxes are paid, a person doesn't have to worry about anything. But unlike in naija, once a tax is paid, you still have to worry about school fees, neppa, etc. What don't you understand ? People in Canada only wait a significant time for elective services. If it's an emergency you'll get it right away. This American medical system you're bragging about is ranked 7 spots BELOW Canada's healthcare system. Why would people in Canada go to the U.S, pay out of pocket, for an inferior product ? Canadian elites rarely leave Canada for treatment. 1% of the population doesn't mean anything. It's funny you mentioned that, because a famous U.S politician who's extremely wealthy, an elites, and bashed Canada's medical system is actually travelling to Canada for surgery. The irony. I thought the system in the U.S was so great ? The Canadian medical system is not perfect, but I'd take a system ranked 30th in the world through taxes, over naija's ranked basically dead last in the world


http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/rand-paul-canada-surgery/index.html

Provinces are starting to make University free. In Ontario if you're low income, you can go to university for free. Though the current governor is trying to abolish that. Those who do take out loans, it can be paid in due time after they're done school. In life you have to pay for quality. Anyone can afford to attend those jaga jaga naija universities where your toto has more impact than your intelligence. Moreover after graduating from a naija university, which employer, especially abroad will take a naija degree serious ? lol abeg. I don't know every Canadian so I can't say who's in debt or not. As for the cars, financing is no big deal in an advanced economy where most make a good salary and get paid on time. Stop comparing a developing economy to an advanced one. Levels get levels again.

I have to go now. Kaachiifooo

this one have never traveled to canada that is why he is giving you links, these are the type of people that even if you tell them things are not as rosy as they show on tv, they wont believe until they turn homeless before reality stuck.

and continue deceiving yourself that mortgage and insurance does not work in Nigeria

continuing deceiving yourself that it is your sales tax, income tax and property tax that funds infrastructures, so everybody in Canada is working. tax is just one source of govt revenue, most revenue for infrastructures comes from taxing big companies, rich people, money made from trade and other sources.

Ugosample:
What is the percentage of Nigerians that are NOT living from paychevk to pay check?

For many hawkers and other unfortunate Nigerians, but going to hawk or to the shop or going out generally for THREE days at a stretch will put them in financial trouble

I have seen this with my eyes; how a woman who hawks beans in Lagos back then got sick, and in one week, her family was already in serious trouble

So what are you saying

Those who are working in the formal sector (which btw is very small and constricted) compared to its mates in other climes, How many of them can sustain themselves after being fired for even three months?

We saw how people became wretched overnight after the record job losses in 2016

Add that to the civil servant that are owed for months and are dying like rats

Baba Nigeria is a $hithole third world failed state.
the fact that a SMALL circle seems to be doing marginally better than the vast majority (which btw also expose you to security risk) does not change that.

I'm.not against whoever decided to remain there o, but it is what it is...

A failed state is a failed state

so you call a country that has just conduct an election a failed state. LOL
funny how you love to compare but let me ask you, did you build their country for them.
you just love to enjoy things not meant for you that is why i will never take you serious, all your days are spent on NL calling nigeria a shithole and all sort of nonsense name, i hope you know you are disrespecting people who are working hard to make Nigeria great.

wetdick:
so you call a country that has just conduct an election a failed state. LOL
funny how you love to compare but let me ask you, did you build their country for them.
you just love to enjoy things not meant for you that is why i will never take you serious, all your days are spent on NL calling nigeria a shithole and all sort of nonsense name, i hope you know you are disrespecting people who are working hard to make Nigeria great.

Nigeria and greatness in one sentence


Lmao

election where dozens were killed, elections rigged and security across the length and breadth of the country like we are at war, plus agbero setting ballot boxes on fire and other foolish acts

is that how elections are conducted in a normal country?

It's only a mad house like Niggerarea that such absurdities can happen

Ugosample:
Nigeria and greatness in one sentence


Lmao

election where dozens were killed, elections rigged and security across the length and breadth of the country like we are at war, plus agbero setting ballot boxes on fire and other foolish acts

is that how elections are conducted in a normal country?

It's only a mad house like Niggerarea that such absurdities can happen

Good for you. At the end of the day, the election was conducted.

you and your other folks are just bunch of complainers and whiners. nothing more

wetdick:
Good for you. At the end of the day, the election was conducted.

you and your other folks are just bunch of complainers and whiners. nothing more

I wish you all the best in repairing Nigeria tho

Afterall, IF, and it's a big IF Nigeria gets better, na una go enjoy am

Shalom

maternal:
Exactly. You go to these countries due to condition, not really by choice. Levels get levels. Back to the tax situation, when you pay for a service twice, you're getting double taxed. When you pay taxes and its suppose to fund your education, healthcare, roads/infrastructure system,etc, yet it doesn't, and you now have to pay out of pocket for these same services you've already paid taxes for, you're being double taxed. period !

When you need healthcare, do you go to your tax funded public hospital ? No. You go to a private hospital, essentially pay twice for healthcare.

When you need to educate your kids, do you go to your tax funded schools ? No. You go to a private school, essentially pay twice for education.

Why do you pay neppa bill yet get no light ? Then you now have to buy gen and fuel it up. Aren't you paying twice for electricity ?

My brotha I can go on. People in Nigeria are constantly getting double taxed and paying twice for almost every essential services. But for some reason they're too stupid to realize it.

Guy your wisdom must be follow come beyond going to school. If you were a lady by now i for done slide in DM you .

Rickywowoz:
if I were you, I would Focus on finishing my nysc and getting a job.

Lolzzzzzz, kk


Swerve commot..

Just like that? Because you didn't lose anyone during the so called elections that's why you can just make such flimsy comment. Kai! That's why this country is the way it is.

wetdick:
Good for you. At the end of the day, the election was conducted.

you and your other folks are just bunch of complainers and whiners. nothing more

jhoci:
Just like that? Because you didn't lose anyone during the so called elections that's why you can just make such flimsy comment. Kai! That's why this country is the way it is.

stop acting like you lose any one. and anybody that died in this election put himself in that situation

Yuugen:
So true.

So true. People come here to form as if Canada is heaven, they won't tell u how they're living check to check, abt all the bills they've to pay every month (heating, water, electricity, internet, car, mortgage, etc), abt healthcare not being completely free but there r things you pay out of pocket for, abt their 30k, 50k, 70k student loans or other debts on their neck they've to be making monthly payments toward. I'm in the U.S but have friends in Canada and know how their reality

Lol, Canada is far from heaven. I’m in the U.S as well. It’s mostly people from third world countries who see Canada as heaven.

wetdick:
this one have never traveled to canada that is why he is giving you links, these are the type of people that even if you tell them things are not as rosy as they show on tv, they wont believe until they turn homeless before reality stuck.

and continue deceiving yourself that mortgage and insurance does not work in Nigeria

continuing deceiving yourself that it is your sales tax, income tax and property tax that funds infrastructures, so everybody in Canada is working. tax is just one source of govt revenue, most revenue for infrastructures comes from taxing big companies, rich people, money made from trade and other sources.

At this point you nullified your argument, he gave you links just to back up his point. He's been in Canada for years now.

Rickywowoz:
Why call me a troll ? can't you make your points without being petty?

I'm just gonna address a few false claims

Education
University education is not free for anyone in Canada. Even the OSAP program in Ontario comes as loans and grants. the grant is a small percentage of the entire funding package, so you have to pay back almost everything. the new Government is about canceling the small grant that students don't have to pay back. if you don't understand what free education means, go study the German education model.

Healthcare
Health care in canada is not entirely free, you have to pay a deductible amount (depending on your insurance package) and your insurance covers the rest. If you have minor health issues, a great portion will be covered by insurance but if you have serious health issue, your own son finish. you will pay a higher deductible and also have to wait a long time before you see a specialist. That's why companies provide better insurance for their employees.

Car
I only pointed this out because of the guy that said an individual on 500k a month salary cannot afford a car. You also just confirmed that most canadians are buying car on loans but you said it's no big deal because its canada.

The truth is majority of canadians are living on borrowed standards. everyone is in debt (including you maybe). Only the elites are killing it and enjoying life.

You need crawl out of your fantasy bubble and stop living in denial. Canada runs on capitalism, middle class and low income earners live to pay taxes.

Like you ones said "if you love money, Canada is not for you" take away credit facilities from canadians and everyone is broke. I'm using a very good iPhone, not because I'm rich but because I can take the phone on credit from network providers and pay in monthly installments. � Ututuoma

Chairman sorry to interrupt u, but whats ur main point on argueing in this matter now? Are u trying to compare Nigeria to Canada or what? Na question oo no vex.

Babyvet:
Lol, Canada is far from heaven. I’m in the U.S as well. It’s mostly people from third world countries who see Canada as heaven.

Yes, Canada is not so good as USA and both are not a paradise. It's natural for people to love their Homeland, Nigerians love Nigeria but many Nigerians are not only smart, very intelligent too, it's an amazing Nation, many handsome and intelligent people but ... many don't have place to grow up, to progress in their own country because it's not well developed and specially intelligent people understand, no paradise in Canada or USA, it will be hard the new start but for their kids Canada or USA will be their own country and their kids will have better future, more opportunities.

wetdick:
so you call a country that has just conduct an election a failed state. LOL
funny how you love to compare but let me ask you, did you build their country for them.
you just love to enjoy things not meant for you that is why i will never take you serious, all your days are spent on NL calling nigeria a shithole and all sort of nonsense name, i hope you know you are disrespecting people who are working hard to make Nigeria great.

Hey like seriously boss u are annoying me here. Are u not really bothered that Nigeria will not be great again till the world ends? Because as it seems now we are close to the endtime and naija has not really done anything good for its citizen. even ur leaders childern are all cooling of in another country. ur leaders are going to other countries to get better treatment. universities has been on strike for how many months now, and u still said naija its not a failed state. to be sincere the only thing that is keeping u in this country is because u dont have money to go abroad and thats y u just argue blindly without proper considretion.

Angela777:
Yes, Canada is not so good as USA and both are not a paradise. It's natural for people to love their Homeland, Nigerians love Nigeria but many Nigerians are not only smart, very intelligent too, it's an amazing Nation, many handsome and intelligent people but ... many don't have place to grow up, to progress in their own country because it's not well developed and specially intelligent people understand, no paradise in Canada or USA, it will be hard the new start but for their kids Canada or USA will be their own country and their kids will have better future, more opportunities.

Canada is not so good as the USA

I laugh

I did not say anything

I just dey laugh

Babyvet:
Lol, Canada is far from heaven. I’m in the U.S as well. It’s mostly people from third world countries who see Canada as heaven.

Canada has living standards commensurate with that of the USA.


No much difference

Jamestown123:
Hey like seriously boss u are annoying me here. Are u not really bothered that Nigeria will not be great again till the world ends? Because as it seems now we are close to the endtime and naija has not really done anything good for its citizen. even ur leaders childern are all cooling of in another country. ur leaders are going to other countries to get better treatment. universities has been on strike for how many months now, and u still said naija its not a failed state. to be sincere the only thing that is keeping u in this country is because u dont have money to go abroad and thats y u just argue blindly without proper considretion.

pls stop complaining and we are not close to any end time, those that want to build, will build, those that want to leave should leave, it is not by force but not everybody will be given visa no matter how they tried and when this is not possible what next, wasted time and energy. with those energy and time,smart people will be using it to get what they want from nigeria

wetdick:
pls stop complaining and we are not close to any end time, those that want to build, will build, those that want to leave should leave, it is not by force but not everybody will be given visa no matter how they tried and when this is not possible what next, wasted time and energy. with those energy and time,smart people will be using it to get what they want from nigeria

Eheee now i get where u are going. because them no gree give u visa now e con make all those countries bad place haba. All what am trying to say is this my friend, when u see something that is white and u failed to call it white instead choose to call it black it means that u are not been honest and thats the problem in Naija.

Jamestown123:
Eheee now i get where u are going. because them no gree give u visa now e con make all those countries bad place haba. All what am trying to say is this my friend, when u see something that is white and u failed to call it white instead choose to call it black it means that u are not been honest and thats the problem in Naija.

i am not being honest about what, where did i write that nigeria is a perfect place

this is fuuny coming from people who will not tell others the honest truth about living abroad, only few people do here on NL but me i know for sure that no place is perfect.

i have seen Nigerians beg on the street abroad, i have seen homeless and drug addict Nigerians, i have also seen the unemployed and paperless nigeria, i have seen the man who became the accidental pastor abroad just to survive or the young guy who became an accidental rapper to survive abroad and i have seen families share an apartment or 10 boys living in a room, or the unfortunate footballer, all these things nobody love to talk about when they are selling the abroad dreams, they portray the western world as heaven

me i know one thing, a normal westerner will prefer to feed a homeless dog than to feed a homeless man while in nigeria it is different.

wetdick:
i am not being honest about what, where did i write that nigeria is a perfect place

this is fuuny coming from people who will not tell others the honest truth about living abroad, only few people do here on NL but me i know for sure that no place is perfect.

i have seen Nigerians beg on the street abroad, i have seen homeless and drug addict Nigerians, i have also seen the unemployed and paperless nigeria, i have seen the man who became the accidental pastor abroad just to survive or the young guy who became an accidental rapper to survive abroad and i have seen families share an apartment or 10 boys living in a room, or the unfortunate footballer, all these things nobody love to talk about when they are selling the abroad dreams, they portray the western world as heaven

me i know one thing, a normal westerner will prefer to feed a homeless dog than to feed a homeless man while in nigeria it is different.

Huh ...This statement is a Big Lie and you know it.

I know you're going to argue back and forth but shows us the evidence of what western country will prefer the feed a homeless dog over a homeless human being?

Ugosample:
Canada has living standards commensurate with that of the USA.
No much difference

But less pay and more expensive things in the stores. Less business opportunities too. In America we have a saying, come to America to make money when you are young, go to Canada when you are old, Canada is good for to raise children and for to live being old, it's kinda socialist country, they don't let people to earn too much. America has more opportunities. It's the difference everybody knows. Also the climate in Canada is not very good, all food, clothes, furniture, cars are more expensive when the salaries are less than in USA.

Yet Canada now is more easy on immigrants and USA close doors. At the same time, black people in US have more possibilities to work and live well, we have many any color people, many Africans too and there are preferences to give jobs to them, also it's more easy to adapt in US for Africans, you easy can make friends, people used to see black skin everywhere, you can go to any state and see to blend in in the Afro-American neighborhood, more at home feeling.

Beautyaddy:
Huh ...This statement is a Big Lie and you know it.

I know you're going to argue back and forth but shows us the evidence of what western country will prefer the feed a homeless dog over a homeless human being?

ok.. i dont have time to argue, you can believe anything you want to, i dont have to show you anything, i have seen it many times, you can continue to believe what ever your fantasy tells you

when i was in a place, i told some guys that there are lot of homeless people in america, they wanted to argue. anyway...it up to you to believe what ever you want.

You took the words right out of my mouth! The guy is just frustrated.

Jamestown123:
Eheee now i get where u are going. because them no gree give u visa now e con make all those countries bad place haba. All what am trying to say is this my friend, when u see something that is white and u failed to call it white instead choose to call it black it means that u are not been honest and thats the problem in Naija.

Angela777:
But less pay and more expensive things in the stores. Less business opportunities too. In America we have a saying, come to America to make money when you are young, go to Canada when you are old, Canada is good for to raise children and for to live being old, it's kinda socialist country, they don't let people to earn too much. America has more opportunities. It's the difference everybody knows. Also the climate in Canada is not very good, all food, clothes, furniture, cars are more expensive when the salaries are less than in USA.

Yet Canada now is more easy on immigrants and USA close doors. At the same time, black people in US have more possibilities to work and live well, we have many any color people, many Africans too and there are preferences to give jobs to them, also it's more easy to adapt in US for Africans, you easy can make friends, people used to see black skin everywhere, you can go to any state and see to blend in in the Afro-American neighborhood, more at home feeling.

Just curious, have you ever lived in Canada? You seem to know a lot.

Angela777:
But less pay and more expensive things in the stores. Less business opportunities too. In America we have a saying, come to America to make money when you are young, go to Canada when you are old, Canada is good for to raise children and for to live being old, it's kinda socialist country, they don't let people to earn too much. America has more opportunities. It's the difference everybody knows. Also the climate in Canada is not very good, all food, clothes, furniture, cars are more expensive when the salaries are less than in USA.

Yet Canada now is more easy on immigrants and USA close doors. At the same time, black people in US have more possibilities to work and live well, we have many any color people, many Africans too and there are preferences to give jobs to them, also it's more easy to adapt in US for Africans, you easy can make friends, people used to see black skin everywhere, you can go to any state and see to blend in in the Afro-American neighborhood, more at home feeling.

I see your point
things are cheaper in USA because of economies of scale