₦airaland Forum

Akin1212:
You're killing this guy. Small small abeg

Lwkmd, the dude said Allah did his plans and choices at infinity. That's the stupidest thing I've heard this year

Lol, he should come and explain how someone can plan for eternity without no beginning.

Empiree:
I am sure this is gonna be eternal arguments because you to will not agree with anything he says regardless of what he says. So anyone who doesn't see to truth in anything or in others need to check himself.

Both of you have problems

So what he said, that 'God made his plans at infinity' makes a lot of sense to you and it's the truth?

And you just said we have problems? You need to be checked

tintingz:
There are conflicts in the Muslim world especially in their philosophy, there are various sects in Islam claiming to be the true Muslims, I think the large sects are the Sunni and Shia Muslims.

Muslim A claim Muslim B is not a true Muslim while Muslim B claim Muslim A is not a true Muslim, both sects are committing fallacy which is the "No true Scotsman or appeal to purity fallacy".

Now this is where the problem and confusion lies, there's an Hadith that said many sect of Islam will enter hell and only one will be in paradise.

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”


All these sects have their dogmas backup with the Islamic text, who is now the one true muslim sect going to paradise?

Even being a Muslim is a problem!

You have just proved me right that you are illogical . The answer to your misunderstanding has already been answered in the hadith you quoted..


Who are the main body = those that practice Islam according to the companions of rosul . That's all..

But, I don't expect you to understand

Abuheekmat:
You have just proved me right that you are illogical . The answer to your misunderstanding has already been answered in the hadith you quoted..


Who are the main body = those that practice Islam according to the companions of rosul . That's all..

But, I don't expect you to understand

Does a Muslim sect claim the opposite? @bolded.

All Muslim sects believe they are following the Quran and the Prophet, even Muslim terrorists believe they are the true Muslim and you're a false Muslim! They have their beliefs backup with Islamic texts.

How do we know true Muslims, who are they, what's the name of the sect?

tintingz:
Does a Muslim sect claim the opposite? @bolded.

All Muslim sects believe they are following the Quran and the Prophet, even Muslim terrorists believe they are the true Muslim and you're a false Muslim! They have their beliefs backup with Islamic texts.

How do we know true Muslims, who are they, what's the name of the sect?

As long as they don't follow companions.. They are not Muslims ...

As long as they have a name, a founder.. They are not Muslims..
Example, shia, Sufi and others

Abuheekmat:
As long as they don't follow companions.. They are not Muslims ...

So someone who follow Allah and the Prophet is not a Muslim? Or what's the Shahada again?

As long as they have a name, a founder.. They are not Muslims..
Example, shia, Sufi and others

What about Sunni?

No, what you mention does not discredit a true Muslim.

tintingz:
So someone who follow Allah and the Prophet is not a Muslim? Or what's the Shahada again?

What about Sunni?

No, what you mention does not discredit a true Muslim.

Whoever follows the companions have followed rosul..
Shia and others follow their founders and imams..


Sunni is everyone who follows rosul and sahabahs.


EOD

Abuheekmat:
Whoever follows the companions have followed rosul..
Shia and others follow their founders and imams..


Sunni is everyone who follows rosul and sahabahs.


EOD

Oga what's the Shahada again?

What's the difference between a Sunni following Sahabas and Shia following Sahabas or Ali is not Muhammad companion? Are any of these sects against the Quran and Muhammad?

Who made up the name "Sunni" what are there school of thoughts?

You're bias!

You're still committing the no true Scotsman fallacy.

tintingz:
The universe is also said to be infinite with no outside.

The thing is we don't even know if the universe is infinite or finite, there's no evidence of any entity existing outside the universe.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence of evidence, the most authentic scientific theory is that something outside of the Universe caused it so don't pretend.

tintingz:
Lol, God already know Ibrahim choice yet he test him to know if he will do it or not? Are you not confusing and contradicting yourself?

Allah knowing Ibrahim choices beforehand had been destined, his fate is already known. No matter his choices Allah has already know, testing him is meaningless.

You test someone to study them.

You claimed that you have read the Qur'an, where did you live out story of the companion of the fish? When Allah tested him with his people and sent him to his people as a messenger and they disbelieved in his message and he warned them of the consequences. Out of frustration and fear of the warth of Allah he left his people without seeking permission from Allah and without Allah telling him to do so. What happened to him? Was he not swallowed up by a fish? If not for the grace of Allah upon him he would have been digested, but Allah caused the fish vomit on the offshore, his people had repented when they saw the punishment of Allah Yunus A.S. was not around so they became afraid and repented, hence the Allah spared them and guided them. When Allah wanted to destroy the Jews for disbelieving in Isa A.S did he(Isa A.S.) not have the choice to allow Allah to destroy the Jews for their disbelief? But instead he asked Allah to forgive them. The same situation again happened when the people of Taif rejected the messenger of Allah S.A.W and Allah S.W.T wanted to destroy did he not say that he doesn't want their destruction but rather he prayed to Allah for Muslims to be born from their descendants. Also when the hypocrites were causing problems amongst the Muslims if he wanted he would have prayed to Allah for their destruction or executed them but instead he allowed them to live and many of them later ended up repenting to Allah. Are all these not tests from Allah the messengers making choices? Or you think a trail is a waste of time and they the messengers of Allah enduring it wouldn't be rewarded for it? Stupid arrogant atheists, they want to do as they want and blame religion for the problems of the world when most of the problems are caused by people who do not consider the laws of Allah when dealing in their affairs.

tintingz:
I've read the Quran and the stories in it, it's available everywhere.

They are ancient myths and fairytales.

I can mention a myth just like Nuh story, I can mention several myths just like Adam clay creation story.

You're a lier you have not read it, the British colonialists highered professors and scholars of religion to rewrite the Qur'an but most of them gave it up and became Muslims instead. If you atheists claim that the Qur'an is trash, then Allah has already challenged you to bring a book that's like it.

tintingz:
I was talking about Muhammad, is there anything hidden about him?

Save that your ridiculous belief for another day.

Why would anything be hidden about him? My beliefs are not ridiculous but your arrogance is.

tintingz:
No he's not perfect, for example Allah test people, that's a characteristics of an imperfect entity.

Foolishness, what will Allah gain by testing you? What will he learn from you when he designed your destiny? You're tested only to be rewarded accordingly.

tintingz:
No, I've only seen people with mental illness. Magic is trick, ritual is doing unreasonable things that yield to nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mavcJ007wU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dQOhQTaDjs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRXCIrnhXGQ

Now say that these videos too are fake.

tintingz:
Allah is a Santa for adult Muslims.

Santa is a belief system, I believe in Santa, don't be fallacious by saying everybody knows Santa doesn't exist, if he's known today he revealed himself today it doesn't negate his existence just like Allah revealed himself to Muhammad in a desert cave in an era.

I've seen Santa, you can't tell me I've not, it's my personal experience. Do you believe me? You disbelieve in Santa just like how the Jews and Christians disbelieve in your Allah.

Amazing I never knew you could be this stupid... Santa Claus is Christian myth everyone knows that abd he's not regarded as a diety by tge Christians so stop this rubbish. The Jews and the Christians do not disbelieve in Allah in fact we all worship Him. Only the ignorant ones say that we don't worship the same Allah, and if they need evidence we are ever ready to give them several.

tintingz:
This is nonsensical. You believe in all this nonsense conspiracy theories.

Prove it is nonsense, counter it with a logical proof that it's nonsense.

tintingz:
What question? You admit you don't know and i replied good, what am I dodging?

Tell me why everything in the universe fits into the Fibonacci sequence and why scientists are not explaining to the existence of the fossils of human gaints. Akin1212 didn't reply.

tintingz:
A thought has a beginning, are you saying there's a beginning for Allah?

I will say it again Allah is al Samad and Allah is uncreated. An insignificant person living on a blue planet in the milky wants to mock Allah, you're nothing but an arrogant person.

tintingz:
Thought has measurement, your God is limited to that thought.

You're limited to your arrogance that's why you think you're so smart and you can say all the trash you want. Allah is al Aalim while you're just a confused arrogant Jaheel.

tintingz:
My goodness. Big Bang is not an hoax, it's a theory, there are some evidences that supports the theory.

Nonsense it's the only theory that makes sense about the origin of the Universe. Stop saying some evidence it's the most factual evidence.

tintingz:
The timeline between the big bang and today is over billion of years, how do you expect humans to just know what happened in the early stage of the universe?

I don't expect you to know irrelevant things like that, but tell how some seated here on earth is able to, infact has the guts to claim Allah does not exist? How will knowing time the Universe was created improve the lives of people? Just another several billions of dollars wasted, while people are starving with hunger.

tintingz:
You're dwelling in assumptions and being delusional.

- The universe can be infinite.
- There's no evidence there's outside of universe
- There's no evidence of any entity outside the universe
- Time can be infinite because we don't know when time actually started, we just assume our time according to our observations.

How did you know there is outside of the universe?

No you're the one that's being delusional.
-If the Universe is infinite why are there theories speculating the end of the Universe?
-If there's no outside of the Universe then where do the black holes lead to?
-The atheistic scientists want a physical evidence that there's something outside the Universe but they'll never be able to get a physical evidence until the day of Judgement and then it will be too late
-You will never know when time started, just humble yourself and look inwards and stop persisting on irrelevant things. We haven't finished exploring the ocean its now space you want to explore, because you gathered some insignificant amount of data in space you claim that Allah does not exist, look at how foolish the devil makes you look.

tintingz:
If we can measure Allah's time with infinite is that not time? You are simply establishing time as infinite which he's still subjected to, it does not make him beyond time.

Infinite is not beyond time, you're just stretching time to infinite.

Look at what you're saying, tell me the formula for measuring time at infinity.

tintingz:
If Allah can be in a dimension moving, planning and thinking then he's in a dimension where there's time and space.

Stop talking out of assumptions, you don't know what you cannot see, feel or touch. There was only an empty space and no time until Allah created time, this is the fact wether you like it or not.

tintingz:
Now if Allah before creation can be in a state alone not doing anything(like in a frozen state) for infinite period of time and suddenly he started moving, thinking, planning, then we should ask what moved or wake Allah?

With Allah nothing is measured, and I will say it again there was no time only an empty space until Allah started the Universe.

tintingz:
He created time from prior time.

tell me the measurement of the prior time he used to create time, if you cannot shut up.

tintingz:
There must be time where Allah is either our time or a higher time, so who created that higher time?

You're the one who is saying that time is only considered inside the universe if you're outside of it you're out of time this is a simple logic and you can't say that there's no empty space outside universe because it will not be possible for it to expand talkless of the big bang happening.

tintingz:
LMAO!! Best joke today.

How can a plan and choice be infinite? Can you plan without a beginning?

Who's joking with you, Allah is beyond your feeble arrogant mindset, your the one who's inside the universe, everything inside the universe is limited.

Abuheekmat:
You have just proved me right that you are illogical . The answer to your misunderstanding has already been answered in the hadith you quoted..


Who are the main body = those that practice Islam according to the companions of rosul . That's all..

But, I don't expect you to understand

He once even claimed that his dad is an Imam. What sort of a Jaheel Imam is it that his son wouldn't even know the meaning of Sunnah = Sunni(follower of Sunnah), what is there that's hard to understand. I have only discovered that many atheists are just arrogant people.

najib632:
He once even claimed that his dad is an Imam. What sort of a Jaheel Imam is it that his son wouldn't even know the meaning of Sunnah = Sunni(follower of Sunnah), what is there that's hard to understand. I have only discovered that many atheists are just arrogant people.

He was never a Muslim nor from Islam home.

tintingz:
Does a Muslim sect claim the opposite? @bolded.

All Muslim sects believe they are following the Quran and the Prophet, even Muslim terrorists believe they are the true Muslim and you're a false Muslim! They have their beliefs backup with Islamic texts.

How do we know true Muslims, who are they, what's the name of the sect?

Any one that claims he follows the Rasul and Sahaba would have atleast no innovations or totally not associating partners with Allah in the name of practicing Islam. A former Muslim that doesn't even know the Tauheed which is the foundation of Islam which is La ilaaha illa llah Muhammadu rasululLah. Anyone that ascribes partners to Allah in worship or gives the attributes of Allah to anybody else even prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a kaafir, anyone who uses magic is a kaafir, anyone who kills people without any just reason is a kaafir. Any body that says he follows Qur'an alone and not hadith is on the verge of disbelief and an innovator, anyone who claims that he is a Muslim but doesn't pray is a kaafir or on the verge of disbelief depending on their reason, anyone. Any one who says that Qur'an is created is on the verge of disbelief depending on his situation, anyone who claims there's an intermediary to Allah is a kaafir. All the people situations I mentioned here is applicable to all the sects in Islam except the Ahlul Sunnah, even from amongst the Ahlul Sunnah anyone who participates in the above mentioned will either become a kaafir or an innovator. You are a staunch Jaheel no wonder you were easily misguided.

Abuheekmat:
He was never a Muslim nor from Islam home.

Don't mind the faasiq.

najib632:
Any one that claims he follows the Rasul and Sahaba would have atleast no innovations or totally not associating partners with Allah in the name of practicing Islam. A former Muslim that doesn't even know the Tauheed which is the foundation of Islam which is La ilaaha illa llah Muhammadu rasululLah. Anyone that ascribes partners to Allah in worship or gives the attributes of Allah to anybody else even prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a kaafir, anyone who uses magic is a kaafir, anyone who kills people without any just reason is a kaafir. Any body that says he follows Qur'an alone and not hadith is on the verge of disbelief and an innovator, anyone who claims that he is a Muslim but doesn't pray is a kaafir or on the verge of disbelief depending on their reason, anyone. Any one who says that Qur'an is created is on the verge of disbelief depending on his situation, anyone who claims there's an intermediary to Allah is a kaafir. All the people situations I mentioned here is applicable to all the sects in Islam except the Ahlul Sunnah, even from amongst the Ahlul Sunnah anyone who participates in the above mentioned will either become a kaafir or an innovator. You are a staunch Jaheel no wonder you were easily misguided.

Again every Muslim sects believe in Allah and the prophet and they have backup for whatever practice they do from Islamic texts. They call themselves Muslims because they believe in a divine texts.

Your beliefs are base on a school of thoughts just like every other Muslims.

E.g I'm a Yoruba but because I don't eat eba with my hand you said I'm not a true yoruba, such person in this case is committing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

tintingz:
Again every Muslim sects believe in Allah and the prophet and they have backup for whatever practice they do from Islamic texts. They call themselves Muslims because they believe in a divine texts.

Your beliefs are base on a school of thoughts just like every other Muslims.

E.g I'm a Yoruba but because I don't eat eba with my hand you said I'm not a true yoruba, such person in this case is committing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Am very sorry to say . You are all round crazy .

Sects causes division. Allah uses christans and jews as examples in Quran

Allah said they are kufar because they make law into the Deen

The 1st sect was killed by Sahabahs..


No Muslim would ever defend or belong to a sect..


Follow Allah. Follow rosul.. Follow Sahabahs. .



And shut your damn mouth about talking about Islamic issues..


Shut the hell up. .

tintingz:
Again every Muslim sects believe in Allah and the prophet and they have backup for whatever practice they do from Islamic texts. They call themselves Muslims because they believe in a divine texts.

Your beliefs are base on a school of thoughts just like every other Muslims.

E.g I'm a Yoruba but because I don't eat eba with my hand you said I'm not a true yoruba, such person in this case is committing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

We are talking about aqeedah . We are talking about worship..


You are talking about a race..


Like i said, shut the hell up

Abuheekmat:
We are talking about aqeedah . We are talking about worship..


You are talking about a race..


Like i said, shut the hell up

My goodness, didn't you see it's an example?

"No true Scotsman" Fallacy applies to race, tribe, religion, any group.

tintingz:
Again every Muslim sects believe in Allah and the prophet and they have backup for whatever practice they do from Islamic texts. They call themselves Muslims because they believe in a divine texts.

Your beliefs are base on a school of thoughts just like every other Muslims.

E.g I'm a Yoruba but because I don't eat eba with my hand you said I'm not a true yoruba, such person in this case is committing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Your thinking is very weak, if the prophet Muhammad S.A.W didn't know that there will later be divisions amongst the Muslims he would have never prophesied that hadith and to warn us against dividing into sects, it is exactly what that Hadith says that is happening. Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah, this is the orthodox creed and any body that's not from the Ahlul Sunnah is a kaafir or a mubtad'i, any sect that claims to have a backup should provide their evidence and let the Scholars of Ahlul Sunnah and their scholars debate so that we will see who is more knowledgeable and on the path of truth and by the way not all Muslims follow the schools of thought, a main example is the Shia. And you're wrong most of them either do not understand what they're getting from the Islamic texts because some of their so called scholars are jaheel, they're blind followers or they were sects that were created in order to misguide the Muslims e.g. like what Britain and did in India and some other sects that were influenced by Zoroastrianism and other pagan religions. The example of you eating food is very nonsensical, do you think the schools of thought do not have slight difference in jurisprudence? But they don't have any difference in theology. Anybody that differs from the orthodox theology is on his own, because that's what we inherited from the messenger of Allah S.A.W and our predecessors anything that is not from the Qur'an and Sunnah or cannot be related to the Qur'an and Sunnah is an innovation or disbelief depending on the magnitude. Talking about food smh... You'll later come and be forming intelligent.

So now because someone claims to be a Muslim and he worships an idol you will still call him a true Muslim?

Or Muslims that gives attributes of Allah to their scholars, you will still call them true Muslims?

Or a Muslim who says there are two deities, a diety of light and a diety of darkness and because he will provide some nonsense statements he cannot defend and he doesn't even know their origin, you will still call a true Muslim? You're a truly a Jaheel, do you think the brothers that are doing da'awah here are speak without facts or reasoning? It's because they try to reply you like a person who's truthful and intelligent, they don't know that you're just a dumb arrogant Jaheel.

Abuheekmat:
Am very sorry to say . You are all round crazy .

Sects causes division. Allah uses christans and jews as examples in Quran

Allah said they are kufar because they make law into the Deen

The 1st sect was killed by Sahabahs..


No Muslim would ever defend or belong to a sect..


Follow Allah. Follow rosul.. Follow Sahabahs. .

A Muslim must fall into a sect or school of thoughts, unfortunately sectarianism exist in Islam and each sect claim to be true following the Quran, saying a Muslim in a sect is not a true Muslim is fallacy, you might actually be a false Muslim to him.

Muslim A = Believes in Allah and Muhammad

Muslim B = Believes in Allah and Muhammad

What defines a Muslim? Someone who believes in Allah and Muhammad.

And shut your damn mouth about talking about Islamic issues..


Shut the hell up. .

Oops someone is frustrated.

tintingz:
A Muslim must fall into a sect or school of thoughts, unfortunately sectarianism exist in Islam and each sect claim to be true following the Quran, saying a Muslim in a sect is not a true Muslim is fallacy, you might actually be a false Muslim to him.

Muslim A = Believes in Allah and Muhammad

Muslim B = Believes in Allah and Muhammad

What defines a Muslim? Someone who believes in Allah and Muhammad.





Oops someone is frustrated.

Tell me the sect that prophet Muhammad S.A.W and his Sahaba belonged to and tell me if they ascribed partners to Allah, used amulets and did grave worshipping. You think we are like you who come here to talk about Islam without having facts?

Abuheekmat:
Whoever follows the companions have followed rosul..
Shia and others follow their founders and imams..


Sunni is everyone who follows rosul and sahabahs.


EOD

Is it the same companions that 'finished' the household of the prophet? Why should someone follow people that were responsible for the death of the family of their late leader?

najib632:
Your thinking is very weak, if the prophet Muhammad S.A.W didn't know that there will later be divisions amongst the Muslims he would have never prophesied that hadith and to warn us against dividing into sects, it is exactly what that Hadith says that is happening. Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah, this is the orthodox creed and any body that's not from the Ahlul Sunnah is a kaafir or a mubtad'i, any sect that claims to have a backup should provide their evidence and let the Scholars of Ahlul Sunnah and their scholars debate so that we will see who is more knowledgeable and on the path of truth and by the way not all Muslims follow the schools of thought, a main example is the Shia. And you're wrong most of them either do not understand what they're getting from the Islamic texts because some of their so called scholars are jaheel, they're blind followers or they were sects that were created in order to misguide the Muslims e.g. like what Britain and did in India and some other sects that were influenced by Zoroastrianism and other pagan religions. The example of you eating food is very nonsensical, do you think the schools of thought do not have slight difference in jurisprudence? But they don't have any difference in theology. Anybody that differs from the orthodox theology is on his own, because that's what we inherited from the messenger of Allah S.A.W and our predecessors anything that is not from the Qur'an and Sunnah or cannot be related to the Qur'an and Sunnah is an innovation or disbelief depending on the magnitude. Talking about food smh... You'll later come and be forming intelligent.

So now because someone claims to be a Muslim and he worships an idol you will still call him a true Muslim?

Or Muslims that gives attributes of Allah to their scholars, you will still call them true Muslims?

Or a Muslim who says there are two deities, a diety of light and a diety of darkness and because he will provide some nonsense statements he cannot defend and he doesn't even know their origin, you will still call a true Muslim? You're a truly a Jaheel, do you think the brothers that are doing da'awah here are speak without facts or reasoning? It's because they try to reply you like a person who's truthful and intelligent, they don't know that you're just a dumb arrogant Jaheel.

I just gave the food as example, some people make that statement of someone not being a true Yoruba when one deviate from universal generalization.

Lol, are you not also talking about your sect being the true one?, I'm very sure Shia Muslim like AlBaqir will defend his sect with same Islamic text.

And @bolded, please don't go ad hominem on me.

tintingz:
As at now there are over billions of people who are non-muslims in the world, Christians alone are estimated to be 2.4 billions, now add them(all non Muslims) with Muslim sects that won't make heaven, that's some hell of people going to burn forever! We have not even talk about the past and future!

My goodness what a merciful God, he love the smell of suya.

Jinns are not argument from ignorance, they are imaginary.

most of Ur post has always been against islam, why islam?, what do you stand to gain.
you also don't believe in jinn existence, I GIVE UP.

najib632:
Tell me the sect that prophet Muhammad S.A.W and his Sahaba belonged to and tell me if they ascribed partners to Allah, used amulets and did grave worshipping. You think we are like you who come here to talk about Islam without having facts?

The premise is about problem of today Muslim, ask any Muslim sect about his believe and he will explain it to you with reference from Islamic texts.

I've been on this forum for long and I've seen different Muslim sects arguing about their beliefs with references.

tintingz:
The premise is about problem of today Muslim, ask any Muslim sect about his believe and he will explain it to you with reference from Islamic texts.

I've been on this forum for long and I've seen different Muslim sects arguing about their beliefs with references.

I know more about them since I am a Sunni myself and I have to guard myself from innovations, So I learn about them so that I wouldn't be misguided or even become a disbeliever (I seek refuge in Allah from such). Many of the Muslims that comment on Nairaland are not scholars, they're mostly students of knowledge. They only quote what their scholars tell them and I don't think that there's any Sunni scholar on this platform. If not your likes, and other extreme Muslims would have been silenced.

tintingz:
I just gave the food as example, some people make that statement of someone not being a true Yoruba when one deviate from universal generalization.

Lol, are you not also talking about your sect being the true one?, I'm very sure Shia Muslim like AlBaqir will defend his sect with same Islamic text.

And @bolded, please don't go ad hominem on me.

It's not that I am saying my sect is the true one, it is an established fact that it's the true one, I am following what I inherited from the messenger of Allah S.A.W and the predecessors. All the imams of the shia were all Sunni, their scholars concucted lies that are hard to be disproved by the average student of knowledge, for all I know they only quote Hadith in a twisted way that promotes them and not in a straight forward way which will be against them and stress on matters even the prophet Muhammad S.A.W did not stress on, they insult the people that prophet Muhammad S.A.W loved and trusted. If there's anybody to be blamed for the disunity of the Muslims it should be the murderers of Uthman R.A., but they attack qnd curse everyone who was dragged into it. They behave as if the Ahlul Sunnah hate the Ahlul bayt which is a lie. Ask the shia about their origin and how they allowed the grandson of Muhammad S.A.W to be murdered and that's Imam Hussein R.A and after this incident these same people allowed the grandson of Imam Hussein R.A, Zayd ibn Ali to murdered the same way because he didn't curse the Sahaba. We know their history which even they cannot deny Shia started as a political movement where did their theology come from? Is it from Imam Ali himself? By Allah we know it is not, ask them if Imam Ali R.A was to be alive today and see his so called followers cursing the vicegerents of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W would he join them in doing so? Let them answer that.
Maybe you don't know your character so I decided to make it obvious to you.

najib632:
It's not that I am saying my sect is the true one, it is an established fact that it's the true one, I am following what I inherited from the messenger of Allah S.A.W and the predecessors. All the imams of the shia were all Sunni, their scholars concucted lies that are hard to be disproved by the average student of knowledge, for all I know they only quote Hadith in a twisted way that promotes them and not in a straight forward way which will be against them and stress on matters even the prophet Muhammad S.A.W did not stress on, they insult the people that prophet Muhammad S.A.W loved and trusted. If there's anybody to be blamed for the disunity of the Muslims it should be the murderers of Uthman R.A., but they attack qnd curse everyone who was dragged into it. They behave as if the Ahlul Sunnah hate the Ahlul bayt which is a lie. Ask the shia about their origin and how they allowed the grandson of Muhammad S.A.W to be murdered and that's Imam Hussein R.A and after this incident these same people allowed the grandson of Imam Hussein R.A, Zayd ibn Ali to murdered the same way because he didn't curse the Sahaba. We know their history which even they cannot deny Shia started as a political movement where did their theology come from? Is it from Imam Ali himself? By Allah we know it is not, ask them if Imam Ali R.A was to be alive today and see his so called followers cursing the vicegerents of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W would he join them in doing so? Let them answer that.

So what if you got your fact wrong?

A Shia will also say he has his own fact.

Maybe you don't know your character so I decided to make it obvious to you.

You're committing ad hominem fallacy, stay in line with the premises and stop attacking the character.

najib632:
I know more about them since I am a Sunni myself and I have to guard myself from innovations, So I learn about them so that I wouldn't be misguided or even become a disbeliever (I seek refuge in Allah from such). Many of the Muslims that comment on Nairaland are not scholars, they're mostly students of knowledge. They only quote what their scholars tell them and I don't think that there's any Sunni scholar on this platform. If not your likes, and other extreme Muslims would have been silenced.

You're not a Sunni scholar yourself or are you?

Every sects have references for their beliefs.

najib632:
He once even claimed that his dad is an Imam. What sort of a Jaheel Imam is it that his son wouldn't even know the meaning of Sunnah = Sunni(follower of Sunnah), what is there that's hard to understand. I have only discovered that many atheists are just arrogant people.

Abuheekmat:
He was never a Muslim nor from Islam home.

Lol. Do you have evidence for your claim?

Your delusion is solved here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3812963/what-wrong-tintingz

OLAJADON:
most of Ur post has always been against islam, why islam?, what do you stand to gain.
you also don't believe in jinn existence, I GIVE UP.

I'm an apostate and a critic of Islam.

najib632:
The absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence of evidence, the most authentic scientific theory is that something outside of the Universe caused it so don't pretend.

So far there Is no evidence of any entity existing outside the universe, there's no reason to believe one exist until it proven, it's better to be agnostic in this case than believing in fairytales.

Lol, and where is "scientific theory" that suggest something exist outside the universe?

You claimed that you have read the Qur'an, where did you live out story of the companion of the fish? When Allah tested him with his people and sent him to his people as a messenger and they disbelieved in his message and he warned them of the consequences. Out of frustration and fear of the warth of Allah he left his people without seeking permission from Allah and without Allah telling him to do so. What happened to him? Was he not swallowed up by a fish? If not for the grace of Allah upon him he would have been digested, but Allah caused the fish vomit on the offshore, his people had repented when they saw the punishment of Allah Yunus A.S. was not around so they became afraid and repented, hence the Allah spared them and guided them. When Allah wanted to destroy the Jews for disbelieving in Isa A.S did he(Isa A.S.) not have the choice to allow Allah to destroy the Jews for their disbelief? But instead he asked Allah to forgive them. The same situation again happened when the people of Taif rejected the messenger of Allah S.A.W and Allah S.W.T wanted to destroy did he not say that he doesn't want their destruction but rather he prayed to Allah for Muslims to be born from their descendants. Also when the hypocrites were causing problems amongst the Muslims if he wanted he would have prayed to Allah for their destruction or executed them but instead he allowed them to live and many of them later ended up repenting to Allah. Are all these not tests from Allah the messengers making choices? Or you think a trail is a waste of time and they the messengers of Allah enduring it wouldn't be rewarded for it? Stupid arrogant atheists, they want to do as they want and blame religion for the problems of the world when most of the problems are caused by people who do not consider the laws of Allah when dealing in their affairs.

You're just posting things that doesn't answer the real question.

I've powers and i already know beforehand you will pass the test what then is the need of a test when I know you will pass?

I can only be testing you when I don't know your choices and your fate.

You're a lier you have not read it, the British colonialists highered professors and scholars of religion to rewrite the Qur'an but most of them gave it up and became Muslims instead. If you atheists claim that the Qur'an is trash, then Allah has already challenged you to bring a book that's like it.

Lol, what's this nonsense.

The myths I'm talking about are ancient myths and fairytales that exist long before the Quran came, they sounds just like many stories in the Quran.

Ofcos the Quran can be replicated with more intelligent approach just that such person will be killed by Jihadists, who want to waste his life on that?

Why would anything be hidden about him? My beliefs are not ridiculous but your arrogance is.

So?

Foolishness, what will Allah gain by testing you? What will he learn from you when he designed your destiny? You're tested only to be rewarded accordingly.

If Allah already knows my end(destiny) he already knows my reward before I was born, testing is meaningless, I'm just following what Allah has destined upon me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mavcJ007wU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dQOhQTaDjs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRXCIrnhXGQ

Now say that these videos too are fake.

LMAO!!

They might not be fake but they will be some realistic explanation to this.

First video sounds like she's having some goodies, lol jokes apart I don't know what happened to her, if she's faking it or having some mental issues, I can't judge by just a video.

Second video looks staged.

Third video looks like someone that needed medical attention, he might be having some seizures.

You don't just conclude on what is not investigated.

Amazing I never knew you could be this stupid... Santa Claus is Christian myth everyone knows that abd he's not regarded as a diety by tge Christians so stop this rubbish. The Jews and the Christians do not disbelieve in Allah in fact we all worship Him. Only the ignorant ones say that we don't worship the same Allah, and if they need evidence we are ever ready to give them several.

Santa exist and I've seen him, infact I saw him this morning in my room, he's not a myth but real.

You're the ignorant one, you guys are not worshipping the same God or why are you not in a Hindu temple worshipping Brahma?

Prove it is nonsense, counter it with a logical proof that it's nonsense.

Do you understand what conspiracy theory is?

Tell me why everything in the universe fits into the Fibonacci sequence and why scientists are not explaining to the existence of the fossils of human gaints. Akin1212 didn't reply.

Lol, how does any of this proves your God?

I'm not a mathematician I don't know how Fibonacci sequence work but I can tell you it doesn't prove the universe to be perfect nor proves any God.

And can you provide the fossil of these Giants, what's up with it?

I will say it again Allah is al Samad and Allah is uncreated. An insignificant person living on a blue planet in the milky wants to mock Allah, you're nothing but an arrogant person.

Are you saying something can be uncreated?

You're limited to your arrogance that's why you think you're so smart and you can say all the trash you want. Allah is al Aalim while you're just a confused arrogant Jaheel.

Ad hominem.

Nonsense it's the only theory that makes sense about the origin of the Universe. Stop saying some evidence it's the most factual evidence.

The study of the universe is still ongoing.

I don't expect you to know irrelevant things like that, but tell how some seated here on earth is able to, infact has the guts to claim Allah does not exist? How will knowing time the Universe was created improve the lives of people? Just another several billions of dollars wasted, while people are starving with hunger.

How did you know Allah exist?

No you're the one that's being delusional.
-If the Universe is infinite why are there theories speculating the end of the Universe?

Have you heard of the cyclic model?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

-If there's no outside of the Universe then where do the black holes lead to?

To another universe or dimension (or this dimension). It support the infinite multiple universe(multiverse).

-The atheistic scientists want a physical evidence that there's something outside the Universe but they'll never be able to get a physical evidence until the day of Judgement and then it will be too late

Why can't we get it now why until we die?

Is this an excuse or what?

-You will never know when time started, just humble yourself and look inwards and stop persisting on irrelevant things. We haven't finished exploring the ocean its now space you want to explore, because you gathered some insignificant amount of data in space you claim that Allah does not exist, look at how foolish the devil makes you look.

If we haven't finish exploring the universe how come you conclude Allah exist?

Look at what you're saying, tell me the formula for measuring time at infinity.
Stop talking out of assumptions, you don't know what you cannot see, feel or touch. There was only an empty space and no time until Allah created time, this is the fact wether you like it or not.

There are formulas for infinity ∞.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity

The universe expanded from big bang and we have space and time, If Allah created time then he is bound to a time.

With Allah nothing is measured, and I will say it again there was no time only an empty space until Allah started the Universe.

If there was no time and Allah is not bound to time how those he work with his plan, thoughts?

tell me the measurement of the prior time he used to create time, if you cannot shut up.

I don't know, all I know is there can't be an existing entity without subjecting to space and time.

You're the one who is saying that time is only considered inside the universe if you're outside of it you're out of time this is a simple logic and you can't say that there's no empty space outside universe because it will not be possible for it to expand talkless of the big bang happening.

If I'm outside this universe then there must be time and space making it another dimension or universe or I would be in an oblivion state.

Who's joking with you, Allah is beyond your feeble arrogant mindset, your the one who's inside the universe, everything inside the universe is limited.

You have not demonstrate how one can plan for eternity.

tintingz:
You're not a Sunni scholar yourself or are you?

Every sects have references for their beliefs.

I am yet to be a scholar, and why are you asking me when I have already stated it? Any sect that claims to have any refrence that's not from the kitaab of Allah and the Sunnah of Muhammad S.A.W is on his own. Stop letting me repeat myself. Allah has exposed you as a Jaheel already, your nothing but an example of what happens to the people of ignorance.