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OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

Janosky:
My brother Maximus69, no how we dey?
I hope your day dey fine..
That link to jw.of, the paragraph 10 , pls read it again, to get the sense of it.
There's no reason ( s) to refer to fellow brothers in the faith as "half baked jw".

This is a public forum,any JW who wishes to, is free to participate,
where appropriate.

However, we do not interact nor communicate with apostates, whether online or offline, in accord with the biblical principle of Numbers16:1-3,20-27,31-35. 1Cor5:1-13.

Jahbless.

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee & charlatans pretending to be Christians....

OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

Maximus69:
Good morning Mr Olaadegbu hope the weekend was splendid,if so let's glorify God in his infinite mercy!
You've made yourself clear enough for anyone to grasp the type of Jesus you chose,as we read in the Bible there are more than one Jesus and he himself foretold that in our time many will have different ideas about him just as many of his contemporaries also had different opinion about him. Matthew 16:13-20

Maximus69: So the contradictions or complications about his identity is not a new thing,that is the more reason why each and every interested person need to be sure of his/her source of information. Matthew 5:3
Your presentation regarding the personality of Jesus is clear to me Sir but i'll prefer that of the JWs more due to thorough comparisons and harmony with historical facts. I believe Jesus is coming to judge the world NOT due to whatever each person calls him{Matthew 7:21-23} but on how obedient they are towards his commands! Matthew 7:24-27,28:20
So whether someone say Jesus is his/her driver,butler,cook,cleaner,gardener,gateman,messenger, farmer,carpenter,barber even housekeeper all that Jehovah requires of such a person is obedience to all instructions perceived to have been issued by Jesus of Nazareth. Jehovah spoke directly from heaven 'this is my SON the beloved,continue obeying him',but if you're convinced now that the one who spoke from heaven is still the same person he presented as 'my SON' it's OK, the admonition is just to continue obeying Jesus' instructions that' all. John 3:16-18

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee & charlatans pretending to be Christians....

achorladey:
I was pondering this as passed across by a FRIEND concerning IF God were to come and preach to us ONE on ONE or knock at our OUR doors individually personally. MY FRIEND said this account in 1 John 5: 9 - 13 will be likely what GOD will utter from his MOUTH .........

We ACCEPT HUMAN TESTIMONY, but GOD’S TESTIMONY is GREATER because it is the TESTIMONY OF GOD,
which he has GIVEN about his SON. WHOEVER believes in the SON of GOD accepts this testimony. WHOEVER does not
believe GOD has made him out to be a liar, because they
have not believed the TESTIMONY GOD has GIVEN about his
SON. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. WHOEVER has the SON has LIFE; WHOEVER does not have the SON of GOD does not have
LIFE. I write these things to YOU WHO BELIEVE in the NAME of the SON of GOD so that YOU may know that you have ETERNAL LIFE. This is the CONFIDENCE WE have in approaching God.

We are fortunate, that TESTIMONY of GOD is contained in the BIBLE.

Maximus69:
Hello Janosky,perhaps this is the main reason why it is inappropriate to engage in any ongoing debates and arguments on SOCIAL MEDIA.
Our faces are hidden,but the name of the organization to which we belong is not!
Please i'll really appreciate it if you can stop the name calling,just present what you've got and take your leave. Matthew 10:13
Jesus here stressed the importance of PEACEFUL presentation,if we're TRULY peaceful with them honest hearted ones in their midst will notice it and those disposed for everlasting life will surely have a rethink! Romans 12:17-19
Good morning my brother.

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee & charlatans pretending to be Christians....

Janosky:
Gbam!
Back then, the Pharisees refused & rejected (John8:38-44.10:36) the Son of God& the TESTIMONY of Jehovah God about his Son, Jesus Christ. (Matt3:16,17. Matt16:13-17. John 20:17,30,31).
These days, their "Jesus is Jehovah" slogan & "two persons in one spirit" FRAUD revealed who they really are (John 8:44).

brocab:
Now why would you take any notice to this JW above, who is a wringer and a complainer in heart, Janosky-you should know better, this is the guy you should be teaching the Watchtowers principles=how can he expect the JW's to be loving towards us. 'Doesn't he realise, your doctrines you preach is unbiblical against the biblical of Christ! 'Teach this man above to be quite-name calling is rule number one against those outside your organisation.

Maximus69 will give the JW's a bad name-it is your duty to give back evil from good works-your job is to shut the Word of God down-your job is to shut down those who stand for the Word of God, those who's spreading the truth about Christ, baptising them in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit in Jesus's Almighty Name.

brocab:
Now why would you take any notice to this JW above, who is a wringer and a complainer in heart, Janosky-you should know better, this is the guy you should be teaching the Watchtowers principles=how can he expect the JW's to be loving towards us. 'Doesn't he realise, your doctrines you preach is unbiblical against the biblical of Christ! 'Teach this man above to be quite-name calling is rule number one against those outside your organisation.

Maximus69 will give the JW's a bad name-it is your duty to give back evil from good works-your job is to shut the Word of God down-your job is to shut down those who stand for the Word of God, those who's spreading the truth about Christ, baptising them in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit in Jesus's Almighty Name.

Maximus69:
Thank you Sir!

TATIME:
Don't mind that Maximus,he is against Jesus' followers who are spreading the truth about Christ!

brocab:
And he is against you-who think you preach Jesus!!

brocab:
{2 Thessalonians 3:6} In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
This is why we don't walk with you!

TATIME:
YES ooooo no mind am,he even call me HALF BAKED JW. All because i follow una dey yan ooooooo!

Janosky:
Gbam!
Back then, the Pharisees refused & rejected (John8:38-44.10:36) the Son of God& the TESTIMONY of Jehovah God about his Son, Jesus Christ. (Matt3:16,17. Matt16:13-17. John 20:17,30,31).
These days, their "Jesus is Jehovah" slogan & "two persons in one spirit" FRAUD revealed who they really are (John 8:44).

brocab:
And he is against you-who think you preach Jesus!!

Maximus69:
As a machinery in the army,i know exactly what being a soldier means. Each soldier must recognise the central unit of command,this will help the army to be focused on a single mission,even any idea that differs SLIGHTLY from that of the controlling unit is tantamount to sabotage,each soldier even if not PHYSICALLY in the midst of his/her colleagues has a SINGLE mission in mind as if he/she is with them SPIRITUALLY! So when i heard of Christian soldiers for the very first time in my life it was amusing,because Jesus forbids the use of physical weapons therefore i don't understand how such a person could have REAL soldiers under his command. But when i met JWs and carefully study their doctrine and strategy,i immediately got the sense of Jesus and his human soldiers called 'Christians' vividly!
The idea i really detest is 'none denominational' because those claiming they believe in Jesus without having the place of the Apostles in their religious setting will automatically become LAWLESS{NO UNIQUE MISSION}! Matthew 7:21-23
There must be ONE group of overseers serving as the central controlling unit to make any organization really governable and orderly,otherwise NO single rule or doctrine is binding on members of such organization, hence they can't be truly ORGANISED!
I've been trying to correlate all the divers thoughts all of you are putting up to set a common belief about the identity of Jesus but to be candid Sir without a group authoritatively dispensing the spiritual food to the others,whatever anyone believe about Jesus can't efficiently be ruled out,in other words you must accept it!
JWs have gotten that group of overseers controlling their members globally just as the central controlling unit of an army,so any member that's not adhering STRICTLY to the teachings of this group,has not gotten the clear understanding of what an army means!
I'm not saying this in favour of any religious group but viewing this matter from the perspective of a trained combatant soldier{a machinery}, please anyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
Good morning Sir!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm,you've really done justice to the matter my brother!
With this your explanation in mind, now i understands FULLY why some worldly governments are outrightly against JWs.
So they can sense that JWs are not just another religious group but a global army of peacemaking soldiers without the use of physical weapons under one single controlling unit that's indomitable! Matthew 28:19,20
You know your conversion into JW will help many both inside and outside to fully grasp the meaning of harmless SOLDIERS called 'Christians'.
Hmmmmmmmm i'm really touched with this post and i will start using this from now to explain to others what it truthfully means if we're adhering STRICTLY to the orders of the GB!
Jehovah promised to rock the nations so that all the desirable things of the nations will come in to fill Jehovah's courtyard. Haggai 2:7
Maximus,you are indeed one of those precious things,thanks for this eyeopening comment.
May Jehovah continue to bless you and increase your wisdom!

Maximus69:
The idea i really detest is 'none denominational' because those claiming they believe in Jesus without having the place of the Apostles in their religious setting will automatically become LAWLESS{NO UNIQUE MISSION}! Matthew 7:21-23

johnw47:
false jw mad max
you haven't a clue what you are talking about there
and the reason you make up lies is because it is natural for you when you speak, to speak lies
like your god and father the devil:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Co 11:13  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 
2Co 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 
2Co 11:15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works

Maximus69:
Thanks Sir,you're blessed!

johnw47:
false jw mad max
you say those of non denomination will automatically become LAWLESS
and then you say to me you're blessed
see what pharisee hypocrites you false jw's are, and how you cannot stop lying, like your daddy god

a little of what Jesus says of you:
Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Maximus69:
Please Mr John can you try using a modern day Bible so that the 'woe' 'ye' and 'thou' could be understood by people?
Of course every reader of the Bible feels like quoting it to back up whatever they say,so it's not a crime if you're also doing the same thing but i'm sure you're aware that neither Jesus,his followers nor the Pharisees spoke English nonetheless those odd forgotten languages of the 16th century! The KJV was translated during the time when people speaks those old form of English,but today even you would rebuke your child if he or she decides to narrate an event with such English. God bless you Sir!

OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

Janosky:
*** Isaiah 45:22 contradicts your "Jesus must be Jehovah" FRAUD.
Fake analogy, fake doctrine.
U always agreed that your "God the Son" is NOT your "God the father".

Janosky: Isaiah 45:22 says "I am God..." that's a first person singular statement refering to Only one person. Naso your English teacher teach you.
Isaiah 45:22 "I am God" is NEVER "We are God".

Janosky: "One God the FATHER from who all things came" ( 1cor8:6)
Ogbeni, U have no point at all.

Janosky: " Jesus must be Jehovah'" na fraud.

Maximus69:
Please Mr John can you try using a modern day Bible so that the 'woe' 'ye' and 'thou' could be understood by people?
Of course every reader of the Bible feels like quoting it to back up whatever they say,so it's not a crime if you're also doing the same thing but i'm sure you're aware that neither Jesus,his followers nor the Pharisees spoke English nonetheless those odd forgotten languages of the 16th century! The KJV was translated during the time when people speaks those old form of English,but today even you would rebuke your child if he or she decides to narrate an event with such English. God bless you Sir!

johnw47:
pharisee hypocrit false jw max

once again, it's hypocritical for you to tell someone what bible to use or not use
while holding to your false jw book which has been added to

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

^^^ this may be speaking off the book of revelation, but it of course would apply to any of the books of the bible-God's word

love that not so old english
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



the 1600's kjv is easy to understand, but it could be hard to understand for those that have been blinded

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



now this is old english

geneva Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the deuill, and the lustes of your father ye will doe: hee hath bene a murtherer from the beginning, and abode not in the trueth, because there is no trueth in him. When hee speaketh a lie, then speaketh hee of his owne: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

Janosky:
*** CONTINUED...

* * John20:28"Thomas said: my lord and my God", Thomas never said "Our Lord and our God!

Janosky: ****Jesus never raised himself

Janosky: "Mary a virgin bore a child.
That child, "Jesus must be Jehovah'" was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us" .
Mary ,a virgin gave birth to God in the flesh, Mary is the mother of God, that's what they really mean but they are quick to label Catholics liars even though they & Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of Immanuel, God in the flesh.

Lol.

Janosky: Last last, " Jesus must be Jehovah' is a fraud.
Mr OLAADEGBU, Trinity is a scam.

TATIME:
If he didn't quote the texts found in the Bible,how are you going to know that Johnny self sabi quote?
Abeg leave am make him quote ooo,whether the thing match wetin you talk abi out of context Johnny self supposed quote Bible like Pastor. You no know say na born again?