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Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 12:45pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
You obviously don't know your rights! Detain someone indefinitely? You cannot detain anyone beyond 48 hours. If they do so, you have a right to go to court to apply for enforcement of your fundamental human rights. The proper thing is to do your investigation before arrest. You can go to people and question them. You can get a search warrant to search their house, documents, computers, even get an order to temporarily freeze their account. You can not just arrest or detain a person in a proper democracy under the rule of law except you have built a case against them. You need to know your rights! adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 12:45pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Evercurious: The justification is the reason why interrogation is carried out.
Any reason that will cause Naira scarcity in Nigeria means the CBN is either not doing its job or something wrong is going on. If you have $5,000, why would you change it to Nair? If you want to build a house in Nigeria for instance, you need Naira, if you want to capitalize on the FX market and the exchange rate favours Naira, you change. Etc You need a reason to change such huge money or even move it around. EFCC will investigate these reasons and determine if its legal or not then take necessary action such as going to court or discarding the case. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 12:47pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
I wonder o. The guy is arguing stubbornly Evercurious: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 12:52pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
He who alleges must prove. That is the law. It is the job of EFCC to prove that it is the proceeds of crime and not to tell someone to prove he is not a criminal. The burden of proof in criminal matters lies on the prosecution and they must prove beyond reasonable doubt. adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by Hedonisst: 12:59pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01: And I can choose not to say any gaddem thing at all, so that they would charge me to court and tender their 'suspicion' as evidence! The primitive model used in Nigeria is to arrest you first and expect you to supply them with 'confession' that would be used to nail you in court. Madness. You see why Nigeria is not a serious country? Which serious country would waste its resources in arresting people without substantial evidence and charging them to court on thin and watery charges? To what end? 1 Like |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by Nobody: 1:09pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Here in Somalia this kind of money from all over the world will move from person to person into puntaland and it can't be traced or tracked. Give a Nigeria $10000 he or she will disappear into thin air |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 1:12pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
So suspicion translates to commission? adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 1:22pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
https://www.google.com/amp/thenationonlineng.net/efcc-still-owes-me-n5m-says-sen-bala-mohammed/amp/ Senator bala Mohammed sued EFCC for unlawful detention and won. The court awarded N5m damages! adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 1:24pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
You can even sue them for unlawful detention https://www.google.com/amp/thenationonlineng.net/efcc-still-owes-me-n5m-says-sen-bala-mohammed/amp/ Hedonisst: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 1:29pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Hedonisst: Now we are talking. These things affect all of us but become a matter of concern if it affects the political elite. The way we as ordinary Nigerians come in defence of the elite rightly or wrongly makes us even more vulnerable to the intrigues of the elite. Back to the facts, you are bound (not legally) to write a statement if you are invited as a suspect. It is your choice to ask for a lawyer or not. You can only refuse to write a statement if you are a witness. When you dont say anything, that means you are uncooperative and that can be used against you even in court (not like an evidence). Judges dont like uncooperative suspects because the judge also needs you to open up so he would understand the case better. Any judge would easily give arrest warrant, search warrant, deny or give high bail conditions etc if you are uncooperative. It is better you ask for a lawyer who will guide you in the statement writing so as not to implicate yourself. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 1:35pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
sonofElElyon: Do you know what unlawful detention is? Now, you are really turning in circles. What is the lawful detention period? The context with which you quoted that story is not the subject here. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 1:44pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
sonofElElyon: Jeeeeez! Commission again? What are you up to really?
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Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 1:56pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Don't be lazy and click on the link. Must I spell it all out for you? You said questioning can take days and EFCC can detain in the process of that questioning. Detention should not exceed 2 days. That is the law. Ideally, there is even no need to detain. I said before that EFCC can get search warrant, freeze accounts, go to people's offices to question them instead of detaining them. The truth is that detention is used as a tool of psychological torture to break the will of suspects so that they can admit to a crime. adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 1:59pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
You don't know the law bro. EFCC must prove the commission of the crime beyond reasonable doubt. You don't treat people like convicted criminals simply because you suspect them. adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 2:01pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
And leave Jesus out of this! Jeeeeez is Jesus... Don't take the name of the Lord in vain adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by blujoi(m): 2:13pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Some of us have refused to use our God given ability to reason, due to political sentiments. Is it a secret that Atiku has a stake in Intels? Now someone used funds from his business to fund his accounts in Nigeria and then you term it money laundering. If you had such damning evidence why haven’t you charged them to court? Intels is an international Organisation, they transact in Dollars, so it’s now a crime for Atiku to convert money he earned through his business into Naira? Jeez! |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by deomelo: 3:03pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
Esseite: Bureau de change operators and other suspects allegedly involved in the laundering of €150m have told the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission how Atiku Abubakar’s lawyer, Uyiekpen Osagie-Giwa, and the ex-Vice-President’s son-in-law, Abdullahi Babalele, used an offshore firm, Intels West Africa, and shell companies to launder millions of dollars. Kabukabu NL bootlegged lawyer, Bureau de change operators are not Banks. Btw, they were released on bail, meaning they are still in legal jeopardy till investigation is completed and their case is adjudicated in the courts 1 Like |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 3:07pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
sonofElElyon: EFCC is allowed to detain for 2 days but no need to detain. How does this sound to you. Search warrant, freeze account which one is applicable to this context. Next, you mean EFCC should take their office to the suspect's office to take his statement. Besides why is it that you dont know what a statement is that you think you can write it at the comfort of your own office. Are you aware that a statement is officially a part of the case and admitted in court. An EFCC case officer should leave his office to all the cases on his table. If there are 10 cases he handles a day, he will be in 10 different offices to take their statements. Please next time think of the implications before making comments. Next time the court session will hold in Atiku's pocket. Next time my house is burgled, i will invite the police to come and take my case. Next time also, advice Atiku's son in-law to invite the EFCC to his office when he thinks he has a case. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by deomelo: 3:11pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
sonofElElyon: EFCC obtains court order to detain Fayose for two weeks …ex-gov to sue anti-graft agency Fayose spent 2 weeks in detention. All they need is a valid court order to detain till whenever. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 3:21pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:A person is not responsible for a limited company. If it is a person that the money is transferred to, the person himself can be arrested immediately. But if it is a limited company, the books of the company has to be checked first, and the laundering linked to the owner before he is arrested. If direct arrest was possible, why do you think USA has not arrested all the drug lords in their country. Know the difference. The investigation to indict the owner of a company is much more harder than one needed to indict a person. As far as it is a limited, the acts of the company cannot be placed on the owner without proof. The company itself can be closed down to force an investigation of it's books, but no owner of a company can be arrested without thorough investigation done on the records (both sales, services rendered, LPOs, invoices) of the company. For EFCC to arrest the owner, they have to prove that the money was not for services rendered, after which they have to prove that the transfer was instigated by the owner. It could have been done by the manager, secretary or accountant. EFCC has not gotten proof that the money was not for services rendered, not to talk of proof that it is the owner that instigated it. Without any of the proof, they can and should do nothing. To get those proof though is not a two months investigation. It sometimes take years. Why did they not show the company account since its inception so we can compare what they have been having with what they had in the three months. Or are they telling us the company was established in January 2019? 1 Like |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 3:24pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:And that is why the government is not winning cases. I can decide to keep quite and there is nothing they can do about it. The court sentence on investigated evidence that is beyond reasonable doubt, not based on suspension. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 3:35pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
dominusgai: Are you thinking at all, would EFCC charge someone to court without any fact or evidence? Do you think a judge would hear the case without facts or evidence. Most of the cases EFCC lost are based on technicalities. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 3:45pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
dominusgai: I think am lazy. Seeing this post, i am at lost how to reply you. I asked you to read section 19 only, but obviously you didnt. 19. (1) Where an offence under this Act which has been committed by a All the other guys arguing on this matter will not even think to follow this line of thought you are going. Go back and read the story again. Atiku's son in-law, the lawyer, the BDC operators were all arrested but they are all owners of the companies in the case. Dont forget Babachir, the former SGF was sacked and has been charged to court for awarding a contract to himself. He didnt actually awarded to himself directly but he probably forgot that the company he awarded the contract to has his name as a director. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 3:47pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:Please what evidence did they present other than their bank transactions? Did they get any of the staffs of both companies to deny the transaction? Did they arrest him because he transferred the money to his personal account? Did they investigate and not see an invoice? Not once did EFCC say any of that. The only thing they are presenting is a bank statement of a limited company. In Warri that is not a corporate hub, they can find at least 10 companies that have that amount of transaction in a Month. So you expect the son in-law of Atiku to do business in thousands? Eh you would have told us Idimi's son that married Buhari's daughter should also do business in thousands. You tell me what evidence they provided. 1 Like |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 3:56pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01: There is one word that should Stand out to you? PROVED. It has to be proved. To bring this proof requires you to investigate the company's books, which EFCC has not done. The three months bank statement is not enough proof, the owner can argue it is for future service. Kai, Lawyer go use you clear ground if you go court case o. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 3:56pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:Please what evidence did they present other than their bank transactions? Did they get any of the staffs of both companies to deny the transaction? Did they arrest him because he transferred the money to his personal account? Did they investigate and not see an invoice? Not once did EFCC say any of that. The only thing they are presenting is a bank statement of a limited company. In Warri that is not a corporate hub, they can find at least 10 companies that have that amount of transaction in a Month. So you expect the son in-law of Atiku to do business in thousands? Eh you would have told us Idimi's son that married Buhari's daughter should also do business in thousands. You tell me what evidence they provided. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by RevenGeMission: 4:01pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
dominusgai: Corporate accounts have unlimited transaction limit?, Brain must be paining you or you read the constitution upside down It's even posted in banking halls that ~100M transactions by corporate accounts must be reported to EFCC. These thieves did 50B naira transaction Stop twisting facts to suit your purpose |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 4:08pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:Hmm, yes they do, a lot. The thing with the law is that your facts must be beyond reasonable doubt. And since I have known EFCC, the only evidence they bring is bank statement. Concrete proof involves members of the company testifying against the owner with records to back his testimony is concrete proof. Any case with airtight evidence cannot be lost on a technicality. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by dominusgai(m): 4:09pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
adanny01:Please what evidence did they present other than their bank transactions? Did they get any of the staffs of both companies to deny the transaction? Did they arrest him because he transferred the money to his personal account? Did they investigate and not see an invoice? Not once did EFCC say any of that. The only thing they are presenting is a bank statement of a limited company. In Warri that is not a corporate hub, they can find at least 10 companies that have that amount of transaction in a Month. So you expect the son in-law of Atiku to do business in thousands? Eh you would have told us Idimi's son that married Buhari's daughter should also do business in thousands. You tell me what evidence they provided. |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 4:09pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
The practice is unconstitutional. https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/remand-order-is-a-breach-of-constitution-rights-of-suspects/amp deomelo: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by sonofElElyon: 4:13pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
I said IDEALLY there is no need to detain. Read well before commenting.. The problem with you is that you presume people guilty until proven innocent whereas the rule of law prescribes the very opposite! adanny01: |
Re: EFCC Releases Bank Transactions As Details Of Atiku’s Son-in-law, Lawyer’s Arres by adanny01(m): 4:26pm On Mar 07, 2019 |
dominusgai: We are talking about over 60billion naira. I needed to mention that so you will appreciate what we are talking about. Secondly, i am loosing steam with the poor reasoning you guys choose to exhibit. We are talking about money laundering. If you know, you know, if you dont know, you should read. Let me bring your attention to this since you don't want to do your home work. According to BDC operational guidelines of 2015 (dont know of there is a current one) 7.5 The maximum amount per transaction for a BDC shall be determined from time How much did the BDC change in the OP? $141,000! What law did they breach? Money laundering act. |
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