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Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by MuttleyLaff: 9:13pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
Zither:The entire post was art, what sold it for me, was the crescendo at the end, where and when you said: "His omni-x nature is not tied to need; it is tied to His will as a sovereign Being.". I buckled at that last sentence because it really is true, it captured and encapsulated the essence of the post itself and is a very insightful, very deep and very sexy beautiful statement 2 Likes |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(m): 9:14pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
Zither:What if i don't want to worship him? Why is there a punishment attached to not worshipping him? Zither:It was a response to another user. You can see you're not the only one i quoted in my last post |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by MuttleyLaff: 9:23pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger:Simple. Exercise your freewill and damn the consequence then TheArranger:Why shouldnt there be existence of judgement? Give me a reason(s) why there shouldnt be judgement please. 1 Like |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:29pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger: A Creator without needs I can compute with one exception. He has a need to create. Otherwise, what is He a Creator for? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(m): 9:30pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:If God should concern himself with punishing people who don't worship him. Doesn't it imply that he needs them to worship him? 1 Like |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:31pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger: I like your argument and it is very logical. However it does not negate the existence of a creator, its conclusion is simply that a creator who doesn't have need cannot exist. the concept of God who doesn't have a need yet creates something do not exist. Good argument. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:32pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
UyiIredia:He has a need to create then he literally has a need then. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:33pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
ThothHermes:The omni qualities are basically a fundamental definition of God, at least on a cosmological scale. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:36pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: Yes. One need. budaatum: I don't understand the need to create God in an image. God is immaterial. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:36pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger: And who told you that God made you to worship Him? He made us to love us. God created out of love. He made all things in love, goodness and kindness that he might share with them all that He is. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(m): 9:37pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
UyiIredia:God is an omni-x being first of all. Anything else follows after that. Given that he's an omni-x being, this suggests that he's perfect and eternal and has already attained all good ends. So why the need to create. Doesn't this imply dissatisfaction? If so, then God can't be perfect. 2 Likes |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:38pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
Zither:Whom exactly is such demonstration meant for? Aren't you implying a need for self validation here? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:38pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
bloodofthelamb: He also made all things in hate, evil and harshness so He might share them. Evil is part of God's Nature. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:39pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
UyiIredia:That is the whole point. There must be a need factor. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by NnennaG6(f): 9:40pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger:I think you're making a big assumption about whether certain people want to exist or not. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:41pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger: Explain what you mean by 'attained all good ends'? How does God rhyme with that? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:42pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: How does the need factor invalidate the idea of God? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:43pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
bloodofthelamb: I worship and praise God out of love, and not out of duty. When men realize the heart of the Father flowing only with love, goodness and mercy for them, they will have no choice but to worship and praise Him for is great love. 1 Like |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by Nobody: 9:44pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
I think this argument is decent. I call it the reverse cosmological argument. The traditional cosmological argument looks at the universe (or some part of it) and infers that there must be a God. The reverse cosmological argument looks at the universe and infers there must not be a God. The reasoning is like this: P1) If anything that is not God exists, then God does not exist. P2) Something that is not God exists (the universe or at least some part of it). C) Therefore God does not exist. So why think P1 is true? Because a maximally great being (God) would maintain the best type of world, and the best type of world is that in which God and nothing else exists. Why is that the case? Because things that are not God are infinitely worse than God. The idea that God would want to create things strikes me as an anthropomorphization. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by Nobody: 9:45pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
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Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:46pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
NnennaG6:The need to paint a picture. Self satisfaction, self appraisal, demonstration of ability - many of them. Actually it is a need.
1. Omni-factor and love? lol 2. He made them before he loved them or loved them before making them - which is it? LOL |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(m): 9:48pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
@johnydon22 Thanks for the compliments, bro UyiIredia:Isn't he "perfect and eternal"? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by TheArranger(m): 9:49pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
NnennaG6:What about suicides? I think its easier to say certain people dont want to exist than to defend a statement like its better to be than not. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:49pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: I am laughing with u there. Obviously, the need and reason explain themselves. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:50pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
UyiIredia:It doesn't, it just simply implies that a God that by definition doesn't need is incompatible with that realization therefore cannot exist because such a God wouldn't create. a God however who at least has a need to create can exist under the considered premise. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:50pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
TheArranger: Yes. So? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by UyiIredia(m): 9:53pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: Fine by me. I mean what are we talking about. If God didn't need He would not create. Creation itself expresses a need. So if I may ask: what is absurd about it? |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by NnennaG6(f): 9:55pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22:You people haven't demonstrated that a perfect being can only act from need. We can easily imagine a person who is perfectly content, yet still acts out of love to help someone else who is not content. Gifts given out of love would still possible for a perfect being. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by NnennaG6(f): 9:56pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
IAmSabrina:This is easily obviated with the plausible presupposition that the total goodness of the world is a sum rather than an average. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by johnydon22(m): 9:58pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
NnennaG6:LOL. Acting out of love is also an expression of need. Need to express love. primarily all actions falls down to a need. For something to create anything, there must be at least a need to create, a desire to create. that is the point. A creator who doesn't have a desire to create, won't. a creator who does have a desire to create therefore has a need to satisfy this desire. So, for the fact that this universe exists is incompatible with the idea that we are created by a creator who doesn't have a desire to create. |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:58pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
Zither: Exactly bro, we can still view it this way: God does good because he is good, not because he needs to do good. Amen! 1 Like |
Re: The Concept Of God Is Absurd by MuttleyLaff: 9:59pm On Mar 12, 2019 |
bloodofthelamb:"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." - Revelation 4:11 UyiIredia:Man became god the moment after eating the fruit. Hate filled the vacuum, after the departure and/or absence of love. Evil filled the vacuum, after the departure and/or absence of good. Harshness proceeded and emanated because the ground was cursed due to man. There is no evil in God's Nature. 1 Like |
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