Benscolari:

Out of over 30 writers plus, only just you and that gifted mind of a guy..
Someone should call me out for a proper scam case not this infallible talks

Your behavior is very funny. Within hours of being accused, 2 people have already responded to accuse you, and you say only 2 over 30? Don't you remember that before you were saying only 1/30?

Did you consider that others may also come forward in days to come?

LoJ:

I said "if" and I am not taking sides here. I'm Looking for the truth.

You are still not answering the question which I have asked 4 times already. Did he send you one chapter which you validated?

answer what question?
I clearly told him, he'll get paid after client's approval...
Now again, he submitted a small portion of a book, I scanned through. It looked good, even though I showed him errors, which I believed he'll rectify when submitting the final draft (which eventually turned out to be a disaster) I am now a prophet to decipher if his fi. Al work will be an absolute disaster right?
Now if I am thinking from your direction, why didn't my client pay me for the bad work I sent him? He blocked me, and requested he funds back, and you expect me to pay.

LoJ:

Your behavior is very funny. Within hours of being accused, 2 people have already responded to accuse you, and you say only 2 over 30? Don't you remember that before you were saying only 1/30?

Did you consider that others may also come forward in days to come?

Mr judge, that's an impossibility

Benscolari:
where do these people come out from?
Just where?
This guy did a job for me... In milestones (like I usually do)
I submitted the first part of the project to the client, and client went MIA, Kindly use Google to know about scam clients on Upwork and other freelance companies.. So I should pay you, when the client is UNRESPONSIVE, right?
Now if I wanted to scam you, I'll definitely ask you for the whole job right? Nigerians are something else.
Out of over 30 writers plus, only just you and that gifted mind of a guy..
Someone should call me out for a proper scam case not this infallible talks

Whatever happened between you and the client that contracted the work to you is none of the writer's business. Agreement is agreement

The more you post, the more I'm convinced that you're Fidelmalek aka Forevermore. I still await your list of five active handles out of the 30+ you claimed you hired

dominique:


Whatever happened between you and the client that contracted the work to you is none of the writer's business. Agreement is agreement

The more you post, the more I'm convinced that you're Fidelmalek aka Forevermore. I still await your list of five active handles out of the 30+ you claimed you hired

I clearly sent that to you. Check your mentions... And who are these fellows you're mentioning me with? You have a case here to settle, settle without being biased. Thank you madam

dominique:


Whatever happened between you and the client that contracted the work to you is none of the writer's business. Agreement is agreement

The more you post, the more I'm convinced that you're Fidelmalek aka Forevermore. I still await your list of five active handles out of the 30+ you claimed you hired

wait, did I just read that? At the bolded?
This is low, extremely low, coming from a moderator.

I can't believe I read that....

Benscolari:
answer what question?
I clearly told him, he'll get paid after client's approval...
Now again, he submitted a small portion of a book, I scanned through. It looked good, even though I showed him errors, which I believed he'll rectify when submitting the final draft (which eventually turned out to be a disaster) I am now a prophet to decipher if his fi. Al work will be an absolute disaster right?
Now if I am thinking from your direction, why didn't my client pay me for the bad work I sent him? He blocked me, and requested he funds back, and you expect me to pay.

In a nutshell what you are saying is

He sent you a sample and you approved (hoping he will make no more mistakes).

Then you are victim of your own negligence. The guy sent you a sample and you validated and told him To continue. Whatever you hoped at that time does not engage him. You are clearly at fault here.

When we additionally consider that you are actually outsourcing work that should be done by you, without disclosing the full details to your contractors,

It follows that you are at fault, in my reasonable opinion.

Cc. Dominique

Or you purposely skipped it
Cc:dominique

LoJ:

In a nutshell what you are saying is

He sent you a sample and you approved (hoping he will make no more mistakes).

Then you are victim of your own negligence. The guy sent you a sample and you validated and told him To continue. You are clearly at fault here.

When we additionally consider that you are actually outsourcing work that should be done by you, without disclosing the full details to your contractors,

It follows that you are at fault, in my reasonable opinion.

Cc. Dominique

what is all these nonsense?
I hire a writer, he sent me a short text, I scanned through and immediately told him to make corrections.. Which he agreed to. Check attached file...
He later sent a pile of jargons, and I am to happily accept it, and pay him, noting that my client cancelled the entire project...
Plausible!
Now at the bolded, this is really funny.
Freelancers every where in the world, including every nairalander does it. So how's this a crime?
And again, your reasonable opinion is highly unreasonable..
Reread it again, and see if it makes sense

Benscolari:
what is all these nonsense?
I hire a writer, he sent me a short text, I scanned through and immediately told him to make corrections.. Which he agreed to. Check attached file...
He later sent a pile of jargons, and I am to happily accept it, and pay him, noting that my client cancelled the entire project...
Plausible!

You are a victim of your own lack of diligence. From your Screenshot there is no complain about quality or errors. Only a specific part which is to be reformulated. Then again you don snap the date nor the context.

Secondly, you have 30+ writers and you are given an important project. You went and took a newbie for the project, meanwhile 30+ experienced writers are working with you according to you. You could not contact them to ensure quality.

A sample was given to you yo judge. You were okay with it except a few lines that were to be reformulated (according to your own Screenshot). You told him to continue.

Not to mention that you are highly paid for the work and give peanuts to he that does the real work. Now you want to pass your misjudgment unto your contractor. You are the one guilty here.

LoJ:

You are a victim of your own lack of diligence. From your Screenshot there is no complain about quality or errors. Only a specific part which is to be reformulated. Then again you don snap the date nor the context.

Secondly, you have 30+ writers and you are given an important project. You went and took a newbie for the project, meanwhile 30+ experienced writers are working with you according to you. You could not contact them to ensure quality.

A sample was given to you yo judge. You were okay with it except a few lines that were to be reformulated (according to your own Screenshot). You told him to continue.

Not to mention that you are highly paid for the work and give peanuts to he that does the real work. Now you want to pass your misjudgment unto your contractor. You are the one guilty here.

oh please, now you're HIGHLY BIASED. Your post reeks of undiluted bias, sorry to say.
Victim of my own negligence? Indeed.... So I pointed out corrections, which were not made, and then my client ended the contract,then I should be blamed
Really?

Dominique, Let any writer who has worked for me come out to claim I didn't pay, then we'll have a case, but all these posts about me doesn't hold water. AT ALL!
So if you sell a good to someone, and the good is bad, you expect money from the buyer? Even when the buyer shows you it's bad?
The mentality of Nigerians

Benscolari:
https://www.nairaland.com/omidan123
She's my writer.

https://www.nairaland.com/thewhizzkid1

https://www.nairaland.com/pacifyre

https://www.nairaland.com/kusibe77

https://www.nairaland.com/oyokpoga
Those are just a few out of many I could find...
I don't really get this.... How does such a low writer have such confidence?
I am a hiring agency, and this is as frustrating as it gets.
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I must have missed this somehow. These are not active accounts save for the second one. Let's await their account on working with you.

dominique:


I must have missed this somehow. These are not active accounts save for the second one. Let's await their account on working with you.

or you want me to post screenshots of me paying them
If that'll satisfy you, I'm willing to

Benscolari:
oh please, now you're HIGHLY BIASED. Your post reeks of undiluted bias, sorry to say.
Victim of my own negligence? Indeed.... So I pointed out corrections, which were not made, and then my client ended the contract,then I should be blamed
Really?

This will be my last post on the topic. I don't know either of you, and I have never been to Nigeria all my life. When I judged the quality of his work you thought I was objective now I am biased!

Anyway, in business you win some and lose some. Reputation is everything in business and more than money. Your refusal to pay a ridiculous 15k or even negotiate to 10k shows that you are the exploitative type. When the writings are accepted and you make huge profits for works you do not do at all, you are happy.

NOW is the time to bear a loss. A great businessman would have pleaded with the guy to accept even 5k due to the circumstances and not the mumbo jumbo you are uttering. You don't understand business at all, and someday you may eventually learn the hard way.

This desire to always exploit others, all the wins for you and the losses to others is the typical Nigerian mentality you claim to disapprove.

As far as I am concerned, I don't have any case... So since last year I started posting job openings here, I've not heard my name been called out for an outright scam (where a writer wrote, and I absconded). This is really damaging, and I deserve an apology at the least

LoJ:

This will be my last post on the topic. I don't know either of you, and I have never been to Nigeria all my life. When I judged the quality of his work you thought I was objective now I am biased!

Anyway, in business you win some and lose some. Reputation is everything in business and more than money. Your refusal to pay a ridiculous 15k or even negotiate to 10k shows that you are the exploitative type. When the writings are accepted and you make huge profits for works you do not do at all, you are happy.

NOW is the time to bear a loss. A great businessman would have pleaded with the guy to accept even 5k due to the circumstances and not the mumbo jumbo you are uttering. You don't understand business at all, and someday you may eventually learn the hard way.

This desire to always exploit others, all the wins for you and the losses to others is the typical Nigerian mentality you claim to disapprove.

oh, you don't even get me, Loj. You don't...
At a point, He threw all manner of insults at me, and still expect me to pay him...
See, there's a guy that did a shabby job, he knew. But he told me to send him anything, and because of his mabnee6of approach, I sent him half the project money, even if I lost it.
Check screenshot of this giftedmind guy boasting...
Again, check where he admitted to the book being a mess

LoJ:

This will be my last post on the topic. I don't know either of you, and I have never been to Nigeria all my life. When I judged the quality of his work you thought I was objective now I am biased!

Anyway, in business you win some and lose some. Reputation is everything in business and more than money. Your refusal to pay a ridiculous 15k or even negotiate to 10k shows that you are the exploitative type. When the writings are accepted and you make huge profits for works you do not do at all, you are happy.

NOW is the time to bear a loss. A great businessman would have pleaded with the guy to accept even 5k due to the circumstances and not the mumbo jumbo you are uttering. You don't understand business at all, and someday you may eventually learn the hard way.

This desire to always exploit others, all the wins for you and the losses to others is the typical Nigerian mentality you claim to disapprove.

Sage advice

LoJ:

This will be my last post on the topic. I don't know either of you, and I have never been to Nigeria all my life. When I judged the quality of his work you thought I was objective now I am biased!

Anyway, in business you win some and lose some. Reputation is everything in business and more than money. Your refusal to pay a ridiculous 15k or even negotiate to 10k shows that you are the exploitative type. When the writings are accepted and you make huge profits for works you do not do at all, you are happy.

NOW is the time to bear a loss. A great businessman would have pleaded with the guy to accept even 5k due to the circumstances and not the mumbo jumbo you are uttering. You don't understand business at all, and someday you may eventually learn the hard way.

This desire to always exploit others, all the wins for you and the losses to others is the typical Nigerian mentality you claim to disapprove.

Well said. He gets works from foreign clients and hires writers here for peanuts. Now to even pay a fraction of the peanuts is problem for him. Talk about a greedy and insincere person.

He's operating with a foreign upwork account, who knows how he came about the account. He collects jobs as a writer which he isn't, then sub-contracts the work. I doubt if he fills in his clients about this.

How can one person hire more than 30 different people to execute one type of project within a short period of time? It just doesn't make any sense, there has to be a reason why he doesn't call them back and go on to hire someone else. Either the issue is with them or with him, I'm suspecting the latter here.

@Benscolari. Even if a person you hire falls short of your expectations, you should have at least compensated him for his efforts. If you're the one that expended all that time and energy in getting a work done and the person that hires you (who'll be pocketing a greater percentage of the cash generated) refuses to pay you a dime, how will you feel?

It doesn't matter if your clients paid or not, you have been making thousands of dollars off foreign clients. So why is a paltry 5-10k too much for you to give someone that worked for you. If you had done that, this mess would have been averted.

dominique:


Well said. He gets works from foreign clients and hires writers here for peanuts. Now to even pay a fraction of the peanuts is problem for him. Talk about a greedy and insincere person.

He's operating with a foreign upwork account, who knows how he came about the account. He collects jobs as a writer which he isn't, then sub-contracts the work. I doubt if he fills in his clients about this.

How can one person hire more than 30 different people to execute one type of project within a short period of time? It just doesn't make any sense, there has to be a reason why he doesn't call them back and go on to hire someone else. Either the issue is with them or with him, I'm suspecting the latter here.

@Benscolari. Even if a person you hire falls short of your expectations, you should have at least compensated him for his efforts. If you're the one that expended all that time and energy in getting a work done and the person that hires you (who'll be pocketing a greater percentage of the cash generated) refuses to pay you a dime, how will you feel?

It doesn't matter if your clients paid or not, you have been making thousands of dollars off foreign clients. So why is a paltry 5-10k too much for you to give someone that worked for you. If you had done that, this mess would have been averted.

thanks for your input. Now, I'll over look the part where you called me greedy and insincere.
I am a writer. A good one (not blowing my trumpets, but I'm good at what I do). Now how do I satisfy all clients that bring tons and tons of jobs for me?, and at the same time too. I outsource to writers here. Which I've been doing since last year. Every freelancer does this, so I wonder why I'm being picked out
At the bolded, as if doing a crapy job wasn't bad enough, he went ahead to throw tantrums, insulting me and CURSING me. So I should have swallowed all that and sent him money? HOW?
Anyways, to clear my name completely, I'll pay him a part of the money, and will not want to have anything to do with him again. At all.
Thank you

dominique:



If this is truly the work GiftedMind1JEM submitted, then I must say it was poorly written and nobody would want to put money on that. But it all boils down to the type of agreement you both had. Besides, why are you taking up jobs you cannot deliver and contracting them out for a small fraction of what they're paying you? That's shady

That is NOT my Original work.

I told you that Benscolari will fabricate my work.

Please, go to the thread I created, you will see my work.

Thank You.

GiftedMind1JEM:




That is NOT my Original work.

I told you that Benscolari will fabricate my work.

Please, go to the thread I created, you will see my work.

Thank You.

oh, so you're not only disillusioned, you're a pathetic liar.
Dominique, I won't dabble with this again, but for the last time....
After he submitted his jargons, I got tired of the whole thing, and edited everything myself, and sent to him. He even admitted I gave the book an American tone....
Now he's using the edited work I did as his original work.
Look here mister, don't irk me.
You're such a cheap and pathetic person, and I won't dabble words with you again..
Dominique, check screenshot. That's when I sent him the edited work to see how bad his writing was, and him admitting that it looked better. Now he carries the work I edited and poses as his, while his original work was an eyesore...
Pathetic...

Benscolari:
oh, so you're not only disillusioned, you're a pathetic liar.
Dominique, I won't dabble with this again, but for the last time....
After he submitted his jargons, I got tired of the whole thing, and edited everything myself, and sent to him. He even admitted I gave the book an American tone....
Now he's using the edited work I did as his original work.
Look here mister, don't irk me.
You're such a cheap and pathetic person, and I won't dabble words with you again..
Dominique, check screenshot. That's when I sent him the edited work to see how bad his writing was, and him admitting that it looked better. Now he carries the work I edited and poses as his, while his original work was an eyesore...
Pathetic...

Please, I stopped referring to you.

I was explaining things to Dominique.

You are obviously a dead-end to Fairness and conscience.

GiftedMind1JEM:





Please, I stopped referring to you.

I was explaining things to Dominique.

You are obviously a dead-end to Fairness and conscience.

You shot yourself in the foot when you thought you'd come here and smear my name... For NOTHING. meet me on whatsapp, and I'll send funds to you at my jurisdiction.
Cv:dominique, kindly close this thread down.
This is as demeaning as it gets

you Blocked me on WhatsApp. How can I meet you there when you haven't Unblocked me


Please, this thread shouldn't be shut down. At least not until everything is truly cleared once and for all.

Benscolari:
You shot yourself in the foot when you thought you'd come here and smear my name... For NOTHING. meet me on whatsapp, and I'll send funds to you at my jurisdiction.
Cv:dominique, kindly close this thread down.
This is as demeaning as it gets

Why are you asking for the thread to be shut when you haven't paid me?

My money with you is about 12k, is that not worth considering?

inkon:


Why are you asking for the thread to be shut when you haven't paid me?

My money with you is about 12k, is that not worth considering?

Another one? What was the agreement you had with him?

dominique:


Another one? What was the agreement you had with him?

I am seriously suspecting that other people may still come forward.


@dominique ; Benscolari still haven't Unblocked me on WhatsApp.
He is asking you to shut down this thread... If you do ; he will not pay anything! We all know how smart and fast internet bank transfer is! It only takes seconds.
He already has my bank details for a while now. But I will drop my bank details here publicly so that he will have no further excuses to make.

0028186954 GTBank

dominique:


Another one? What was the agreement you had with him?

Benscolari came chatting me for a job, an e-book precisely.

The word-count is 6,250.

We settled for N3/word, which amounts to 18,750 for 6,250 words.

He said that once I deliver the job, he would review it and pay me. Please refer to the attached picture for the evidence.

On the 17th of February, which is about a month now, I delivered the job to him.

Just then, he started telling me about his client that disappeard, saying that he would only pay when the disappeard client reappears and releasees his funds.

He sent me N6,500 some days later, and that was after much pressure from my part.

I tried to remind him that my agreement with him was not N6,500 but N18,750. He said he would pay up when his client approves his funds.

Suddenly, a third party became a factor.

We never factored any client in my agreement with him. He is the client I know.

I was asking about his choice to make getting my money dependent on the wayabout of someone we never considered in our bargain? But up till this moment, he has not provided answets to this question.

My money with him is still N12,250 and it is almost a month since I did his work.



PS I'm finding it difficult to attach the picture of my chat with him where he assured me of payment after reviewing the work. I don't know if it is network or something.

Was the ebook on Etiquetting in Europe? Because I have issues on that with him too.

Was the ebook on Etiquetting in Europe? Because I have issues on that with him too.

inkon:



Benscolari came chatting me for a job, an e-book precisely.

The word-count is 6,250.

We settled for N3/word, which amounts to 18,750 for 6,250 words.

He said that once I deliver the job, he would review it and pay me. Please refer to the attached picture for the evidence.

On the 17th of February, which is about a month now, I delivered the job to him.

Just then, he started telling me about his client that disappeard, saying that he would only pay when the disappeard client reappears and releasees his funds.

He sent me N6,500 some days later, and that was after much pressure from my part.

I tried to remind him that my agreement with him was not N6,500 but N18,750. He said he would pay up when his client approves his funds.

Suddenly, a third party became a factor.

We never factored any client in my agreement with him. He is the client I know.

I was asking about his choice to make getting my money dependent on the wayabout of someone we never considered in our bargain? But up till this moment, he has not provided answets to this question.

My money with him is still N12,250 and it is almost a month since I did his work.

inkon:



Benscolari came chatting me for a job, an e-book precisely.

The word-count is 6,250.

We settled for N3/word, which amounts to 18,750 for 6,250 words.

He said that once I deliver the job, he would review it and pay me. Please refer to the attached picture for the evidence.

On the 17th of February, which is about a month now, I delivered the job to him.

Just then, he started telling me about his client that disappeard, saying that he would only pay when the disappeard client reappears and releasees his funds.

He sent me N6,500 some days later, and that was after much pressure from my part.

I tried to remind him that my agreement with him was not N6,500 but N18,750. He said he would pay up when his client approves his funds.

Suddenly, a third party became a factor.

We never factored any client in my agreement with him. He is the client I know.

I was asking about his choice to make getting my money dependent on the wayabout of someone we never considered in our bargain? But up till this moment, he has not provided answets to this question.

My money with him is still N12,250 and it is almost a month since I did his work.



PS I'm finding it difficult to attach the picture of my chat with him where he assured me of payment after reviewing the work. I don't know if it is network or something.

I don't really have the leeway to dabble words.
Pictures will do the talking...
Dominique, this clearly contradicts whatever this man is saying.
I remember telling him he'll get his money as soon as my client gives me feedback. Which my client has never done to this day, and he agreed. So I should go ahead and pay him without hearing from my client or anything?
Nigerians!
Thank you