Khaleell001:


He uses words like "intellectual" "increasing " to bamboozle people into believing is made up claims.

No matter the amount of Middle easterners leaving Islām they ate still thousands trooping in into Islām almost every year.
so save your saliva for other things.
Only theblart would weeks alone we have three to four revertees to Islām from Christianity.

I'm not interested in squabbling over spread of Islam. My point is that spread of Islam is no assurance that Islam is the flawless truth. There are a lot of grey areas in Islam that had led many to question the faith and ultimately part with it.

YUNGCONCEPT11:

Bro your case is sympathetic bro...who are the type of people that embrace Islam...ask yourself

All kinds of people embrace Islam, just as all kinds of people leave Islam. It is unfortunate bias in the part of the Muslim to assume all converts are stable and moral human beings while all apostates are unstable and immoral.

Ultramane:


All kinds of people embrace Islam, just as all kinds of people leave Islam. It is unfortunate bias in the part of the Muslim to assume all converts are stable and moral human beings while all apostates are unstable and immoral.

SEE FOR YOURSELF MANY CHRISTIANS ARE TURNING AGAINST THE CHURCH THST IS WHY ISLAM IS GROWING RAPIDLY IN EUROPE AND AMERICA...THE BIBLE IS MANMADE FULL OF ERROR. WHO WHERE THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS?
WHAT HAPPEN TO GALILIEO GALILEE AND ISAAC NEWTON WITH THE CHURCH.
HAVE READ MSNY UNBIASED DOCUMENTS OPEN YOUR MIND AND BURY YOUR SENTIMENT SEEK THE TRUTH...
BRO ITS LIKE YOU ARE SERIOUS CAN WE CHAT PRIVATELY I CAN GIVE YOU MY WHATSAPP NUMBER.
GOOGLE MAURICE BUCCAILE S FRENCH SCIENTIST HIS TESTIMONY CAN BE AN EYE OPENER FOR YOU

YUNGCONCEPT11:

SEE FOR YOURSELF MANY CHRISTIANS ARE TURNING AGAINST THE CHURCH THST IS WHY ISLAM IS GROWING RAPIDLY IN EUROPE AND AMERICA...THE BIBLE IS MANMADE FULL OF ERROR. WHO WHERE THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS?
WHAT HAPPEN TO GALILIEO GALILEE AND ISAAC NEWTON WITH THE CHURCH.
HAVE READ MSNY UNBIASED DOCUMENTS OPEN YOUR MIND AND BURY YOUR SENTIMENT SEEK THE TRUTH...
BRO ITS LIKE YOU ARE SERIOUS CAN WE CHAT PRIVATELY I CAN GIVE YOU MY WHATSAPP NUMBER.
GOOGLE MAURICE BUCCAILE S FRENCH SCIENTIST HIS TESTIMONY CAN BE AN EYE OPENER FOR YOU

It seem you don't know me. First, I'm not a Christian. Secondly, I have no sentiment against Islam. Please see my threads; https://www.nairaland.com/usermane/topics. I've written in favor of Qur'an for over 5 years, but since I don't believe in religious labels or affiliations, I do not hesitate to criticize Islam or the Qur'an where necessary.

As for Maurice Buccaile, I've seem his 'testimony', nothing impressive to be honest. What an embarrassment.

I'd love to chat with you, but WhatsApp won't be suitable medium to exchange information on this broad subject matter.

Ultramane:


I'm not interested in squabbling over spread of Islam. My point is that spread of Islam is no assurance that Islam is the flawless truth. There are a lot of grey areas in Islam that had led many to question the faith and ultimately part with it.

If those who parted with Islām parted with it based on some "seemingly" correct answers they get from those they ask, I don't think that is enough detraction from Islām.
it they were not well educated on those "grey areas" then you blame their sense of judgement not the religion.

Islām is the only religion.
I dare say it again, Islam is THE ONLY faith that appeals to logical proofs and analytical reasoning.
I have read, listened and studied the world's major religion and I can tell you no one comes close to Islām.
Not even secularism .

Ultramane:


It seem you don't know me. First, I'm not a Christian. Secondly, I have no sentiment against Islam. Please see my threads; https://www.nairaland.com/usermane/topics. I've written in favor of Qur'an for over 5 years, but since I don't believe in religious labels or affiliations, I do not hesitate to criticize Islam or the Qur'an where necessary.

As for Maurice Buccaile, I've seem his 'testimony', nothing impressive to be honest. What an embarrassment.

I'd love to chat with you, but WhatsApp won't be suitable medium to exchange information on this broad subject matter.

Bro...if you are an athiest ... no problem...read a book called my love for Jesus Christ lead me to Islam pdf ND if you are Christian read a book called Islam and Christianity PDF
Quran is the word of Allah Swt, it is the only book that you can't find error in ....that is why I say if you want to Seek the truth read books about Islam..take it or live it Islam is the only religion from God. Islam is the most logical religion ever. It is religion telling you to worship your creator and take no partner beside him...it is centered on monotheism. All the prophet of Allah Swt from Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Miss, Issah(Jesus) Down to the last and final messenger Muhammed (saw) never preach anything but monotheism they all preach the onenness of Allah swt.
If you say the book of Maurice BUCCAILE did not worth you need to cleanse your message mind of some thought and believe that has the instill into your mind.
But Islam is the religion of God.
That is the only religion that can lead you to eternal Bliss and Felicity.
Bro you own your thought but use your mind carefully don't use it to crave for your own perdition in the here after
Reflect bro I can give you my number so o would share some books with you.
Peace be into you

Khaleell001:


If those who parted with Islām parted with it based on some "seemingly" correct answers they get from those they ask, I don't think that is enough detraction from Islām.
it they were not well educated on those "grey areas" then you blame their sense of judgement not the religion.

I'm sure there are those leaving Islam owing to ignorance, but learned Muslims leave Islam time to time. Perhaps it may not be enough detraction, but it is detraction and it begs the question of the veracity of the "Benefits of becoming a Muslim".

Islām is the only religion.
I dare say it again, Islam is THE ONLY faith that appeals to logical proofs and analytical reasoning.
I have read, listened and studied the world's major religion and I can tell you no one comes close to Islām.
Not even secularism .

Christians say the same of Christianity. And so do Jews of Judaism. You're bluffing.

YUNGCONCEPT11:

Bro...if you are an athiest ... no problem...read a book called my love for Jesus Christ lead me to Islam pdf ND if you are Christian read a book called Islam and Christianity PDF
Quran is the word of Allah Swt, it is the only book that you can't find error in ....that is why I say if you want to Seek the truth read books about Islam..take it or live it Islam is the only religion from God. Islam is the most logical religion ever.

I'm not an atheist. I don't buy into religious labels. What am I? I'm in no hurry to define.

As to your book recommendations.... Man, seriously? I've read books for and against Islam. I don't need to listen to converts' anecdotes to reassure me that Islam is the religion of truth. I've been doing my research, thus far, I've seen reasons why Muslims leaves Islam. Islam has its problems.

If you say the book of Maurice BUCCAILE did not worth you need to cleanse your message mind of some thought and believe that has the instill into your mind.
But Islam is the religion of God.
That is the only religion that can lead you to eternal Bliss and Felicity.
Bro you own your thought but use your mind carefully don't use it to crave for your own perdition in the here after
Reflect bro I can give you my number so o would share some books with you.
Peace be into you

Haha! Man, Bucaille was wrong on many level. It is so laughable, if you understand Qur'an Arabic, Greek Science and Human history.

Ultramane:


I'm not an atheist. I don't buy into religious labels. What am I? I'm in no hurry to define.

As to your book recommendations.... Man, seriously? I've read books for and against Islam. I don't need to listen to converts' anecdotes to reassure me that Islam is the religion of truth. I've been doing my research, thus far, I've seen reasons why Muslims leaves Islam. Islam has its problems.



Haha! Man, Bucaille was wrong on many level. It is so laughable, if you understand Qur'an Arabic, Greek Science and Human history.

Bro...Allah guide only whom he will to
It is not the fault of the sun that the blind man can't see.
Am off bro...
Islam is the only religion that would be accepted by Allah swt

Ultramane:


I'm not an atheist. I don't buy into religious labels. What am I? I'm in no hurry to define.

As to your book recommendations.... Man, seriously? I've read books for and against Islam. I don't need to listen to converts' anecdotes to reassure me that Islam is the religion of truth. I've been doing my research, thus far, I've seen reasons why Muslims leaves Islam. Islam has its problems.



Haha! Man, Bucaille was wrong on many level. It is so laughable, if you understand Qur'an Arabic, Greek Science and Human history.

Maurice BUCCAILE is wrong with your own thought.
Maurice BUCCAILE has embraced the truth...
Maurice BUCCAILE is an accomplished scientist and you . U are just grooming urself. But just be careful where your mind take you to

Ultramane:


I'm not an atheist. I don't buy into religious labels. What am I? I'm in no hurry to define.

As to your book recommendations.... Man, seriously? I've read books for and against Islam. I don't need to listen to converts' anecdotes to reassure me that Islam is the religion of truth. I've been doing my research, thus far, I've seen reasons why Muslims leaves Islam. Islam has its problems



Haha! Man, Bucaille was wrong on many level. It is so laughable, if you understand Qur'an Arabic, Greek Science and Human history.

Maurice BUCCAILE is wrong with your own thought.
Maurice BUCCAILE has embraced the truth...
Maurice BUCCAILE is an accomplished scientist and you . U are just grooming urself. But just be careful where your mind take you to

YUNGCONCEPT11:

Maurice BUCCAILE is wrong with your own thought.
Maurice BUCCAILE has embraced the truth...
Maurice BUCCAILE is an accomplished scientist and you . U are just grooming urself. But just be careful where your mind take you to

He was a physician, not a scientist. And even if he is a scientist, how many scientists agree with him? I can't just take his every word of like Gospel. I could not verify his claims.

Ultramane:


He was a physician, not a scientist. And even if he is a scientist, how many scientists agree with him? I can't just take his every word of like Gospel. I could not verify his claims.

Bro u have not done any experimentation on those fact he claimed. They are true fact. How would a sane human believe that he his an ape then transmodified into another shape. Is it common sensical? If you are one of those people who say they don't believe in anything they don't see...oya your own brain can you see it...definitely there is one uncreated creator who has created everything on Earth. Whose claim can never be faulted . Charles darwin claim is irrelevant and not sensible.
Bro I can't be on nairaland all the time, let me give you my WhatsApp number so that we can talk better

Ultramane:


I'm sure there are those leaving Islam owing to ignorance, but learned Muslims leave Islam time to time. Perhaps it may not be enough detraction, but it is detraction and it begs the question of the veracity of the "Benefits of becoming a Muslim".



Christians say the same of Christianity. And so do Jews of Judaism. You're bluffing.

Please, I want you to show me just one "promenient " Muslim who left Islām for Christianity.
Just one?
As for the benefits of becoming a Muslim there are so enormous that you can't begin to estimate them.

If christians and Jews are saying the same thing, the proof lies in the results not their claims.

If you send me your whatsapp number I will send you a video report from a well known American news channels that shows Islām still is and emains the fast growing religion in the world .

I am not bluffing bro.

The results should speak louder than claims.

Khaleell001:



Please, I want you to show me just one "promenient " Muslim who left Islām for Christianity.
Just one?

Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad was an Egyptian imam and now a Christian.


I've told you before your arguments are weak and nonsensical.

Khaleell001:


If those who parted with Islām parted with it based on some "seemingly" correct answers they get from those they ask, I don't think that is enough detraction from Islām.
it they were not well educated on those "grey areas" then you blame their sense of judgement not the religion.

Islām is the only religion.
I dare say it again, Islam is THE ONLY faith that appeals to logical proofs and analytical reasoning.
I have read, listened and studied the world's major religion and I can tell you no one comes close to Islām.
Not even secularism .

I say it respectfully, your claims and arrogance is legendary. How is Islam logical? Tahweed? Hadith? Seerah? etc.

On the Tahweed, the oneness of God, the Jews started the concept of the Tahweed thousands of years before Islam, and still maintain that concept. They did not take your prophet serious but saw his as a fraud till date.

The hadith, for the so-called logical religion, has been divided to authentic, weak and fabricated hadith. How can a religious book be termed weak and fabricated yet you call such a religion 'logical'. What is logical when most of your doctrines in the hadith are fabricated and pure lies?

Your seerah rasool Allah, especially by Ibn Ishaq and Ibn have also been viewed as fabrications and outright lies by some Muslim apologists. Some even claimed that Ibn Ishaq might even be a Jew.

You Qur'an has been seen to contain many scientific, historic and geographical errors. Many thread has been opened to expose these errors and you can do a simple 'google-search' to get the errors in the Qur'an. Besides, your Qur'an is so confused that you need the hadith (most of which are fabricated) and the seerah (most of which are lies) to explain the Quran. How can a 'rational' religion entertain so much confusions and lies at the same time?

tintingz:

Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad was an Egyptian imam and now a Christian.


I've told you before your arguments are weak and nonsensical.

The guy 'khaleel001' is highly brainwashed and delusional and at the same time arrogant in his delusion.

true2god:
I say it respectfully, your claims and arrogance is legendary. How is Islam logical? Tahweed? Hadith? Seerah? etc.

On the Tahweed, the oneness of God, the Jews started the concept of the Tahweed thousands of years before Islam, and still maintain that concept. They did not take your prophet serious but saw his as a fraud till date.

The hadith, for the so-called logical religion, has been divided to authentic, weak and fabricated hadith. How can a religious book be termed weak and fabricated yet you call such a religion 'logical'. What is logical when most of your doctrines in the hadith are fabricated and pure lies?

Your seerah rasool Allah, especially by Ibn Ishaq and Ibn have also been viewed as fabrications and outright lies by some Muslim apologists. Some even claimed that Ibn Ishaq might even be a Jew.

You Qur'an has been seen to contain many scientific, historic and geographical errors. Many thread has been opened to expose these errors and you can do a simple 'google-search' to get the errors in the Qur'an. Besides, your Qur'an is so confused that you need the hadith (most of which are fabricated) and the seerah (most of which are lies) to explain the Quran. How can a 'rational' religion entertain so much confusions and lies at the same time?

I like your effort thus far on trying to discredit and degrade Islām .
And I also understand your pain and confusion as to the logicality of Islam. And I shall address them one after the other.

Tawheed is a basic foundation which Islām is built upon which is, the oneness of God in His worship, Lordship and His names and attributes.

All of these are the central message of Jewish prophets which we Muslims believe.

All Jewish prophets preached and practiced Islam .We do not reject any one of them since they were all progenitors of prophet Ibrahim(known as Abraham in the Bible)
To us, there is nothing like Jewish religion simply because the prophet who preached the word of God was a Jew.
All Jewish prophets are our prophets and they are mentioned as good,righteous people to emulate as muslims .

I can see that you are not only ignorant but foolishly arrogant to think you know what hadeeth is simply because you have a modicum knowledge of hadeeth dies not comfortable in your the effrontery to speak like an authority in this field. keep shut and learn.

I will give a somewhat brief explanation why I think you very ignorant of what hadeeth is.

Hadeeth is simply defined as the statement, deeds (or actions) and tacit (silent) approval of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him);
and it is also the interpretation of the Qur'aan and description of his features.
If you don't know this then whatever knowledge you think you have is wholly shallow and watery.

Hadeeth has two main forms which are:

1.Isnaad.
2.Matn.

And I will explain the two briefly;

The isnaad is known as the chain of narrators.
For example the prophets makes a statement regarding the religion, a companions hears it and relates this information to a student(tabi'een) of his (the student did not meet the prophet ) and this tabi'een narrates this same information to another student (attabi'een tabi'uun) of his and this chain goes on and on like that through a well preserved oral traditions before it is written into a book.

The matn (pronounced as mat nu) is simply the text of the hadeeth; that is, the words of the prophet.

The reason for weak and fabricated hadeeth.

Those days, that is ,before hadeeth where compiled into books, some unscrupulous persons used to narrate certain statements attributed to the prophet and it got so rampant even a dummy and known sinners where known for attributing statements to the prophet:whether true or false just like we have now in the area of fake news.
So it stood to reason that anybody who took it upon himself to narrate any hadeeth, he was made to undergo certains standard and if he didn't meet such standard then whatever he narrates will either be declared mawdow (fabricated) or do' eef(weak).
And I don't want to start listing those standards because they are so lengthy and tedious that it will be difficult for any liar to scale through it
Hence, it standards to reason that a news or information has to undergo corroborative private and logical evidences and strong support to be taken as a fact.

And as for the Qur'aan.
It still remains the only book on the surface of the earth that has not gone any form of addition, subtraction, interpolation, concoction and fabrication.
Not even the Bible, not even the Talmud, not even any book whether science or non science can boast of such unmatched standard father proving it is indeed the infallible word of God.

You are claiming Qur'aan has a lot of scientific inconsistencies.
Oga, bring your claim, I don't like people just mouthing off claims like some badly programmed robots.
Just back up. your claims it is enough to be a fool. to believe anybody who says what's he likes without proofs.

Your Google Search claims are still yet to be seen.
The rule remains,whoever asserts should show proof(s) for his assertion.

l await your claims.

lastly on the seerah, it is also logical that you verify news or stories as the Quran commands us in chapter 49 verse 6.
So, I and other logical Muslims do not believe all the stories narrated about the prophets life except the ones that have been strong evidences to back them up.

You should know that the Qur'aan is not like hadeeth or the seerah which have different conditionalities attached to them(hadeeth and seerah) before it can be accepted.

For your information, no Islamic sect,I mean those who differ from the muslims in general matter have ever argued about the fallibility of the Qur'aan except those two(hadeeth and seerah)


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tintingz:

Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad was an Egyptian imam and now a Christian.


I've told you before your argument are weak and nonsensical.

I've just gone through this Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein's conversion to Christianity.

And Immediately I saw he was from the tableeghi jamat group (another group of ignorant Muslims) I knew you were just pandering to media jingoism.
A Sunni who is learned will not leave Islām for all the money in this world except he decides to be far away from learning the religion with sincerity.

I am yet to see one.
Being an Imaam does not confer the correct knowledge of Islam on a person.
An Imaam can be anybody who knows how to read and memorise some chapters of the Qur'aan and also know some routine about the prayer which any six year old can do.
I can post videos to you of kids leading(being Miasms) people in prayer, which should be done by any Muslim.
But the knowledge of Islam is on another level entirely.
So, your argument is completely and entirely flawed and terribly weak as you can see.

NOTE:
We are the ones to tell you who our scholars are, you don't choose whom our scholar are.

Khaleell001:


I've just gone through this Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein's conversion to Christianity.

[s]And Immediately I saw he was from the tableeghi jamat group (another group of ignorant Muslims) I knew you were just pandering to media jingoism.
A Sunni who is learned will not leave Islām for all the money in this world except he decides to be far away from learning the religion with sincerity.

I am yet to see one.
Being an Imaam does not confer the correct knowledge of Islam on a person.
An Imaam can be anybody who knows how to read and memorise some chapters of the Qur'aan and also know some routine about the prayer which any six year old can do.
I can post videos to you of kids leading(being Miasms) people in prayer, which should be done by any Muslim.
But the knowledge of Islam is on another level entirely.
So, your argument is completely and entirely flawed and terribly weak as you can see.[/s]

My goodness!!!

NOTE:
We are the ones to tell you who our scholars are, you don't choose whom our scholar are.

Argument from authority fallacy.

Your arguments are weak and nonsensical!

true2god:
The guy 'khaleel001' is highly brainwashed and delusional and at the same time arrogant in his delusion.

He's really delusional and doesn't even know he's delusional.

Can you see his response above? He still doesn't want to accept people leave his precious religion, he prefer to dwell in his delusion.

It's finish.

tintingz:


He's really delusional and doesn't even know he's delusional.

Can you see his response above? He still doesn't want to accept people leave his precious religion, he prefer to dwell in his delusion.

It's finish.

your case is so pathetic, you are always found everywhere condemning Islam...your mind is not at rest you better accept peace. You can't do even a minute of harm to Islam . Allah will watch over his religion.

YUNGCONCEPT11:

your case is so pathetic, you are always found everywhere condemning Islam...your mind is not at rest you better accept peace. You can't do even a minute of harm to Islam . Allah will watch over his religion.

I'm a critique of Islam.

Islam is not where peace is.

And FYI no one's mind is at rest!

tintingz:


My goodness!!!




Argument from authority fallacy.

Your arguments are weak and nonsensical!

Argument from. whatever is not the point.

I guess I deflated your argument with my points filled bullets.

Well, if you still insist ,you can argue with your keypad.

YUNGCONCEPT11:

Which people go out of Islam...people who are not morally stable ...then ask yourself which people embrace Islam then you would know that Islam is the true religion ...Google it Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe and ur so called America
Wanna learn the truth: pm me and I would give u documents

In terms of fertility not conversion. More people comvert to Christianity from islam than from christianity to islam

ChristianNorth:

In terms of fertility not conversion. More people comvert to Christianity from islam than from christianity to islam

What they made you believe Google search the fastest growing religion and give me replies

Khaleell001:


Argument from. whatever is not the point.

I guess I deflated your argument with my points filled bullets.

Well, if you still insist ,you can argue with your keypad.

Lol, my goodness.

Do you have evidence the imam was ignorant?

Are you saying anybody can just be an imam and lead Muslims in prayers? Even in a big mosque? Is tablighi not part of sunni?

So you're the one to tell who's a true Muslim and not ignorant?

Do you reason before you post?

YUNGCONCEPT11:

What they made you believe Google search the fastest growing religion and give me replies

The birth rate in Muslim world is high reason for that statement not conversion.

But still Christianity is still the populated religion in the world currently.

tintingz:
The birth rate in Muslim world is high reason for that statement not conversion.

But still Christianity is still the populated religion in the world currently.

Google the fastest growing religion in the world? Don't be an hypocrite now

YUNGCONCEPT11:


Google the fastest growing religion in the world? Don't be an hypocrite now

I've given reason why it's term that way, the fertility rate in Muslim world is high, imagine a Muslim man having 4 wives or more than that and each wives having many kids. In the northern Nigeria the population is high because of this reason. Go back and read your screenshot.

But still Christianity still top the most populated religion in the world.

tintingz:
Lol, my goodness.

Do you have evidence the imam was ignorant?

Are you saying anybody can just be an imam and lead Muslims in prayers? Even in a big mosque? Is tablighi not part of sunni?

So you're the one to tell who's a true Muslim and not ignorant?

Do you reason before you post?

I explained to you that leading prayers whether in big or small mosque can be done by any young chap.
I have videos of little children leading large congregation and it does not mean they are knowledgeable.
Praying is a daily exercise which any "dull" Muslim who can recite the Quran can do.

Like I said, knowing how to prayer and understanding the fundamental aspects of faith are two different levels.

One of my Islamic teacher is not an imam in their mosque, but his elder brother is;and his elder brother is not even as knowledgeable as my teacher(the Imam's younger brother)

The evidence that this Imam is ignorant is the group he attached himself to.
We know what they (tablighi jamat) preach and we know how they practice certain acts which are not founded in the Quran and hadeeth.

Their appearance may fool you into thinking they are "knowledgeable, "but they are not.
I have personally corrected their own leader in my town some times, and my friends who are also knowledgeable have done the same countless times.

I am a Muslim, and I know what I am talking about.

I am not saying they are not Muslims, I am only telling you that they are ignorant of some aspect what Islām.
And this your convertee was no different ,knowing their background.

Saying somebody is ignorant of somethings in his religion does not mean they are not Muslims.

tintingz:


I've given reason why it's term that way, the fertility rate in Muslim world is high, imagine a Muslim man having 4 wives or more than that and each wives having many kids. In the northern Nigeria the population is high because of this reason. Go back and read your screenshot.

But still Christianity still top the most populated religion in the world.

Don't u get it our argument is which religion is the fastest growing religion in the world.
Why are u always critizing islam, your mind is not at rest ...I see you are in a state of doubt and confusion . I told you earlier no religion will be recognized by Allah swt except Islam. I have documents if you request for that can guide you to eternal Bliss and Felicity .