Paul himself didn't meet with Christ but was a very capable hand in spreading the gospel because the TEACHER , the Holy Spirit, rested on him like it was in the other Apostles. You can only know God via the Holy Spirit who does the teaching after you have accepted Christ .. Peter said , they should accept Christ and be baptized so they can receive the free gift of the holy Spirit. .. you don't pay for the holy spirit through through prayer and fasting ... It is a gift to the willing hearted While replying you earlier I made mentioned of the new testament being letters to the new church on direction , correction and diaries of the Apostles
The entire old testament was available. Jesus expounded unto them all that was written concerning by ALL the prophets ...both major and minor ...from the scripture.


If you pack the old testament and bind it together using a stapler with the letters personally written by the apostles and their diaries or records of the gospel while Jesus was alive , would that make your the author of those materials? If the Catholic church wrote the Bible we would not be going back and forth on Mary because they would have expressly written Jesus Christ into minor position and given Mary the centre page


The only way to preach the Bible is through the Spirit of God ... No other way. Bible college and seminaries will never deliver the spirit . It is personal encounter through personal search that does it.


They would know because the writings of Paul was already a reference material to all churches. Even if he,Timothy didn't make make to them they know what was the practice. You as a Catholic don't need your pope to conduct a mass , it is already a system you can go through ..even if the priest suddenly dies , many are there amongst the crowd of worshippers who can go through with the mass ...they already know how to conduct themselves in the house. The church are the saints ... They contain no truth unless as revealed by the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit has never contradicted the written word ...he speaks only the from the written word ..... Because it is the only weapon he has for doing his work ... Your personal opinion doesn't count before God ... It is his word that he promised would not fall to the ground not your opinion of his word


If you go through the entire old testament you will never meet any prophesy about Peter. Much more one that is fundamental like the establishment of God reign on the earth. Peter wasn't who Jesus Christ was addressing as the rock but the answer that Peter gave when he asked the disciples who they thought he was. It is that answer that is the piece of rock upon which every church desirous of exploit and heavens protection must be founded on.... Thou art the Christ...the saviour...if the church is founded on the saviour he will save her from every world interference

What was given to the apostles and by extension us is the keys?... I will give you the keys..... A house don't keep the key that opens it... It is with the operators of the house... He cant build the house on Peter and hand him the keys....no no.. Tell, the pope that is not possible.....not one but keys...hope you noticed it.... The keys are the secrets to the power sources of heaven...how to unlock them for earthly exploit


I don't need to know the character you entered their names here... They are not the Holy Spirit. They are neither the teacher not the examples

9inches:
Good answer! Now, keep musing in that direction... did Timothy who never met Christ but learned from Paul and the apostles read the bible (New Testament) in order to know and preach the Gospel as the first Christian bishop of Ephesus?

You see, the church would still be propagating the gospel even if there was no written text of the gospel, but you would not have had the bible without the church. Here: 1 Timothy 3:15 ► "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God [not the bible], the pillar and foundation of the truth.". The bible is one of the tools with which the Church teaches. It does not contain all the truth, but the Church does.

And here's the guarantee to the Church:
1. Matthew 28:20 "...And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
2. "...And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
You see, the Church has not only the authority from the Head of the Church Himself (Ephesians 5:23) but also the guarantee that it will never fail.

See here: Ephesians 1:22 "And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church.

Do you know who these persons are? Justin Martyr, Tatian, Polycarp, Clement I, Irenaeus, Eusebius, etc. Why not go study the early Christians (Church fathers) and know how they preached the Word of God.

9inches:
If you think Jesus did not establish a Church by himself, then I don't know why I should argue the bible with you.

It's clearly documented in the bible that He established a Church, gave it authority to teach all truth. We know from the bible that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. We know from the bible that He and left the church with an absolute guarantee that he will be with it until the end of time....

The debate is which Church is that today? Unless Jesus himself lied, the Church would still be very much around. Now, tell me which church is that so we both could trace back and see if it's true.

Thanks.

Smh.

When you hear the word Church, what comes to your mind?

Denomination? Church building? The body (fellowship, brethren) of Christ?

Jesus established the Church of Christ. Simple!!! He is the Head and Foundation of Christianity. Jesus did not establish the Roman Catholic Church, or Anglican Church, or Methodist Church, or Apostolic Church. He established the Christian church. Just make sure that the practices of your denomination conforms to the practices and tenets of the Christian Church. Is that too hard to believe.

You said the Bible is not complete, and is not the only way. I laugh.

Jesus is the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life. Is Jesus in the Bible? If yes, that then makes the Bible COMPLETE, and the only guide any GENUINE Christian ought to follow, with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.

Please don't mention me again. You are in a VERY dark place.

Please be patient with him. The anoint on you is to preach deliverance... Jesus said the anointing is upon me to PREACH DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVE. HE IS A CAPTIVE OF THE DOCTRINE OF MEN. I AM not having fun coming back and back here but I have to and to be honest with you some of the statement or replies I have given him, I have never thought of or read anywhere... As I am replying I am getting them


You are moulding yourself up in the word as your reply. The first time the holy spirit woke me and ask me to open the book of acts..it was because of argument about Mary... I never in my life saw that it read about it anywhere.. But he shows me and said that is their Mary...you cant be equipped unless you are on the job and willing to forbear


So best with him.

tranxo:


Smh.

When you hear the word Church, what comes to your mind?

Denomination? Church building? The body (fellowship, brethren) of Christ?

Jesus established the Church of Christ. Simple!!! He is the Head and Foundation of Christianity. Jesus did not establish the Roman Catholic Church, or Anglican Church, or Methodist Church, or Apostolic Church. He established the Christian church. Just make sure that the practices of your denomination conforms to the practices and tenets of the Christian Church. Is that too hard to believe.

You said the Bible is not complete, and is not the only way. I laugh.

Jesus is the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life. Is Jesus in the Bible? If yes, that then makes the Bible COMPLETE, and the only guide any GENUINE Christian ought to follow, with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.

Please don't mention me again. You are in a VERY dark place.

Nodogragra4me:
Please be patient with him. The anoint on you is to preach deliverance... Jesus said the anointing is upon me to PREACH DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVE. HE IS A CAPTIVE OF THE DOCTRINE OF MEN. I AM not having fun coming back and back here but I have to and to be honest with you some of the statement or replies I have given him, I have never thought of or read anywhere... As I am replying I am getting them


You are moulding yourself up in the word as your reply. The first time the holy spirit woke me and ask me to open the book of acts..it was because of argument about Mary... I never in my life saw that it read about it anywhere.. But he shows me and said that is their Mary...you cant be equipped unless you are on the job and willing to forbear


So best with him.

Thanks and God's grace

Nodogragra4me:
Your church prays to a supposed Mary, a woman without capacity to be everywhere at the same to attend to every single one of you. How does she answer your request?
Mary is the go to Jesus of your church ... she has more airtime within your church prayer time than Jesus , the Holy Spirit and the almighty God. She is the alternate and trusted Jesus operating within your church




It is to her patronage that you people flies to. It is her that is hailed ..hail holy queen ... It is her alone that has a litany that takes a minimum 10 minutes to recite ..where her image is in your church compound , you never have that of a mature and standing Jesus .. it is either that of a small boy or a dying man on her lap ...never a strong man

Check your church calandar , it has more activities for Mary than Jesus Christ. Go and check it


Your church is the church of Mary ..the only group or society within your church that has pray a it core when they meet everyday is block rosary and the pray is to Mary not Jesus .. Jesus is an attachment sprinkled here and there but the core is Mary. Every other group is about meeting and what to do except the charismatic group that is not even acceptable in some parishes

I am not wearied because I want you to think in your private time all I have written and tell yourself the truth against what is actually the position of the scripture on all you have been trying to defend

every day, every mass in the Catholic church is still a celebration of Christ's death life and resurrection, so u are sad that in some of those days marry is remembered?

tranxo:


Smh.

When you hear the word Church, what comes to your mind?

Denomination? Church building? The body (fellowship, brethren) of Christ?

Jesus established the Church of Christ. Simple!!! He is the Head and Foundation of Christianity. Jesus did not establish the Roman Catholic Church, or Anglican Church, or Methodist Church, or Apostolic Church. He established the Christian church. Just make sure that the practices of your denomination conforms to the practices and tenets of the Christian Church. Is that too hard to believe.

You said the Bible is not complete, and is not the only way. I laugh.

Jesus is the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life. Is Jesus in the Bible? If yes, that then makes the Bible COMPLETE, and the only guide any GENUINE Christian ought to follow, with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.

Please don't mention me again. You are in a VERY dark place.

this doesn't change the fact that Jesus founded a single community that speed to many places and that community is what is historically called the Catholic Church and that those called denominations that broke from her are condemned according to scriptures

Nodogragra4me:
Firstly, you are amongst the negligible percentage of Catholics who circumstances have forced to reluctantly agreed that Christians here on earth are actually the saints not those in heaven.


Your official CHURHC position is that it is those who have died and have received special recognition that is calibrated by your CHURHC .....or ranked.... Tansi is still at the level of Bleesed ...the has not attain full star general of a saint in your church ... Are those qualified to be called saints who are like your Mary , alternate power source to Jesus. Even those who help carry out public execution of so called heretics ended up as saints .. even this scallywag called Shekaru that runs the Boko gangs is a leaner in the acts of committing heinous crime against humanity.

Scripturally, saints is the name used to refer to God's people here on the earth when they still have flesh coverings for their spirit and soul. Anyone that is numbered by God while here on earth , as his own is a saint of God not of the Catholic church and they can pray intercessory prayer while here on the earth for humanity but ceases as soon as they die because When they die they return as spirits into heaven for God is only a Spirit but God of all flesh. Here are some examples from the scripture:


9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness, because no man shall prevail by his own strength. (DRC, 1 Samuel 2:9).... Feet belongs to the flesh and wicked people are not in heaven to fight with saints

15 Saying: O Lord God of heaven and earth, behold their pride, and look on our low condition, and have regard to the face of thy saints, and shew that thou forsakest not them that trust on thee, and that thou humblest them that presume of themselves, and glory in their own


strength. (DRC, Judith 6:15)


5 For we are the children of saints, and we must not be joined together like heathens that know not God. (DRC, Tobit 8:5)..their fathers were God disciples

1 Unto the end; for the octave, a psalm for David: Save me, O Lord, for there is now no saint: truths are decayed from among the children of men. (DRC, Psalms 12:1)


24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (DRC, Revelation 18:24)


12 Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (DRC, Revelation 14:12)


4 And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (DRC, Revelation 8:4)



Is Jesus Christ dead? This Mumu question ought to be directed at your pope. To have your Mary answer your prayers whether at the same or respectively, she needs to be omnipresent. It is possible that your early pope's believe Jesus died kpatata on the cross hence Mary ascendency to the office of intercessory with a retinue of aides called saints to help her with the task ... Saint ubenedictus , pray for the pope to receive sense

all who have been justified by faith in Christ Jesus in baptism are addressed as saints in scriptures, physical death doesn't end it, instead it completes it.

brainhgeek:


No amount of sleeping on the floor can forgive your sins if you refuse to accept that Jesus is the redemption you need. You can he sober and wear rags cloths for 1000000years but without repentance and acknowledgement of the Messiahship of Jesus, no forgiveness. No man can erase or shoulder the sins of the himself let alone that of others. For ALL have sinned. Rom 3:23-26. Ignorance of this is dangerous and can lead to a feeling of self righteousness. Knowingly ignoring that fact is however disobedience + rebellion which before God are like idolatry and witchcraft. 1 Sam 15:23

who told you he didn't accept Jesus?


Why this totally of point post?


He certainly accepted Jesus and took up some mortification... What you find wrong with that is just your problem.

Nodogragra4me:




The death of Jesus Christ can't be the reason for rollback your church practicing bodily mortification. Everything churdtians do must either be expressly commanded or commended by the scripture.


When Jesus Christ went into fasting , the Bible was very clear about what he did. All the fathers of the faith in the scripture that fasted didn't go into mortification . The Scripture kept recordsmof cities that went to fasting and not one of the people embarked on mortification of their bodies. It was all about food and water abstinence and works of charity.


When jeus told the disciples that this kind goes not out except by fasting and prayer, he was referring to what he had already done not this your notification.


This man sleeping on hard surface for the sins of the world is only exhibiting his ignorance of the great commision to every one everywhere to go preach the gospel of Christ to the entire world. There is no scriptural precedent for his action and he can't possible be doing it for the world for the gospel says Jesus came so that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH I him would be saved and not perish


It is whosoever believeth. He ought to have gone out to get men to believe rather than be sleeping on iron bed and using stones for pillows. He impresses no one in heaven with his ignorance

fasting itself is mortification, get out of ignorance

You have exhausted yourself as nine inches and returned to Ubenedictus. I don’t have time again for your engagement on this thread but we will meet again on related issues

Ubenedictus:
fasting itself is mortification, get out of ignorance

There is no completion of sainthood ... a saint is a saint while alive ...a saint is a follower called and justified once. When he or she does he returns as a spirit back to heaven ... there is no special long process that ends with the conferment of the title of Saint. It is not a church special title for some select few. It is God general name for his people while they live in flesh and blood


That your church procedures are not known to the scripture and therefore has no backing from heaven... It is religion of man and I am sure this iron bed man hopes to be one someday by reason of his iron bed and stone pillow practice

I will be shocked if few years from nos that metal contraption doesn't attract a special breed of followers who would go on a prim and to the bedside to pray

Ubenedictus:
all who have been justified by faith in Christ Jesus in baptism are addressed as saints in scriptures, physical death doesn't end it, instead it completes it.

Nodogragra4me:
You have exhausted yourself as nine inches and returned to Ubenedictus. I don’t have time again for your engagement on this thread but we will meet again on related issues

I am not 9inces, I only have one handle on nairaland, 9inces is a friend and a brother in the faith, we gist and share sometimes in the Catholicism thread, apart from that, I do not know him... His post is a bit philosophical and he engages atheist, mine hardly address such things and I hardly take on atheists in their arguments.


We are 2different people, though I consider it a honor that you think I am he, it means the faith we share is truly powerful

Nodogragra4me:
There is no completion of sainthood ... a saint is a saint while alive ...a saint is a follower called and justified once. When he or she does he returns as a spirit back to heaven ... there is no special long process that ends with the conferment of the title of Saint. It is not a church special title for some select few. It is God general name for his people while they live in flesh and blood


That your church procedures are not known to the scripture and therefore has no backing from heaven... It is religion of man and I am sure this iron bed man hopes to be one someday by reason of his iron bed and stone pillow practice

I will be shocked if few years from nos that metal contraption doesn't attract a special breed of followers who would go on a prim and to the bedside to pray

guess you are still a child In Christianity and you are ignorant that entering heaven aka glorification completes the justification process,

Oya complete this passage,

Those who he called he.....

You have left saint issue to jump to glorification. Is that how you were trained into reverend father. I expect you to show me from the scripture that your church is right to confer sainthood as a special title but you have left that to move into another arena.

You can't stay focused on a single subject matter and conclude it conclusively.

Ubenedictus:
guess you are still a child In Christianity and you are ignorant that entering heaven aka glorification completes the justification process,

Oya complete this passage,

Those who he called he.....

Good to learn that you are two different characters who both are all the same reading the same book and arguing the same issue exactly the same way..

Trying to make atheists Christians, I will gladly join you but making them Catholics. I won't.. I have been one myself

Ubenedictus:
I am not 9inces, I only have one handle on nairaland, 9inces is a friend and a brother in the faith, we gist and share sometimes in the Catholicism thread, apart from that, I do not know him... His post is a bit philosophical and he engages atheist, mine hardly address such things and I hardly take on atheists in their arguments.


We are 2different people, though I consider it a honor that you think I am he, it means the faith we share is truly powerful

Nodogragra4me:
Firstly, you are amongst the negligible percentage of Catholics who circumstances have forced to reluctantly agreed that Christians here on earth are actually the saints not those in heaven. Your official CHURHC position is that it is those who have died and have received special recognition that is calibrated by your CHURHC .....or ranked.... Tansi is still at the level of Bleesed ...the has not attain full star general of a saint in your church ... Are those qualified to be called saints who are like your Mary , alternate power source to Jesus. Even those who help carry out public execution of so called heretics ended up as saints .. even this scallywag called Shekaru that runs the Boko gangs is a leaner in the acts of committing heinous crime against humanity.

Scripturally, saints is the name used to refer to God's people here on the earth when they still have flesh coverings for their spirit and soul. Anyone that is numbered by God while here on earth , as his own is a saint of God not of the Catholic church and they can pray intercessory prayer while here on the earth for humanity but ceases as soon as they die because When they die they return as spirits into heaven for God is only a Spirit but God of all flesh. Here are some examples from the scripture:

9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness, because no man shall prevail by his own strength. (DRC, 1 Samuel 2:9).... Feet belongs to the flesh and wicked people are not in heaven to fight with saints

15 Saying: O Lord God of heaven and earth, behold their pride, and look on our low condition, and have regard to the face of thy saints, and shew that thou forsakest not them that trust on thee, and that thou humblest them that presume of themselves, and glory in their own

strength. (DRC, Judith 6:15)

5 For we are the children of saints, and we must not be joined together like heathens that know not God. (DRC, Tobit 8:5)..their fathers were God disciples

1 Unto the end; for the octave, a psalm for David: Save me, O Lord, for there is now no saint: truths are decayed from among the children of men. (DRC, Psalms 12:1)

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (DRC, Revelation 18:24)

12 Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (DRC, Revelation 14:12)

4 And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (DRC, Revelation 8:4)

Is Jesus Christ dead? This Mumu question ought to be directed at your pope. To have your Mary answer your prayers whether at the same or respectively, she needs to be omnipresent. It is possible that your early pope's believe Jesus died kpatata on the cross hence Mary ascendency to the office of intercessory with a retinue of aides called saints to help her with the task ... Saint ubenedictus , pray for the pope to receive sense.

I don't know what circumstances you're talking about but you're wrong. Both us and our departed brethren who made it to heaven are saints. Saints on Earth possess in part what the saints in heaven possess in fullness. They have reached the destination that we saints on Earth, holy ones by virtue of the graces God gives us for the journey, are in hope striving to reach.

And you're wrong again, there's no alternate power to Jesus in the Church. The Catholic Church is against worship of any other God, unlike Protestants who promote self worship - essentially idolatry. They alone (the saints in heaven) possess sainthood in its fullness. So, it's fitting that the Catholic Church reserves the title of saint to those it has declared to be in heaven.

Nodogragra4me:
I don't read the ancient , I study the Bible and read a lot of anointed books on same. All the examples of the Christian life is properly captured in the scripture so no other example is required. Peter, Paul and John never prayed through any of the fathers of the faith even though the scripture was available and they knew those fathers like Abraham , Moses , Isaiah, Elijah and their exploits very well

But the bible is ancient. And why would you read any other book outside the bible when you are a "bible alone" christian? Isn't that hypocritical?

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

The traditions which Paul and the apostles delivered to the church were not the traditions of men, rather they were the doctrines which were inspired of God. Neither Paul nor any of the other apostles ever instructed people in person or through their letters to follow vain traditions of men, but rather they were to follow the commands and precepts as given to them from God.
The pastor in the video dug deeper into Christianity and discovered there's more to it than the bible. It is the job of every pastor/teacher to properly hand down to those in his ministry the Biblical traditions of sound doctrine, godly living and conduct, and sound practice in the church.

Nodogragra4me:
Paul himself didn't meet with Christ but was a very capable hand in spreading the gospel because the TEACHER , the Holy Spirit, rested on him like it was in the other Apostles. You can only know God via the Holy Spirit who does the teaching after you have accepted Christ .. Peter said , they should accept Christ and be baptized so they can receive the free gift of the holy Spirit. .. you don't pay for the holy spirit through through prayer and fasting ... It is a gift to the willing hearted While replying you earlier I made mentioned of the new testament being letters to the new church on direction , correction and diaries of the Apostles
The entire old testament was available. Jesus expounded unto them all that was written concerning by ALL the prophets ...both major and minor ...from the scripture.

If you pack the old testament and bind it together using a stapler with the letters personally written by the apostles and their diaries or records of the gospel while Jesus was alive , would that make your the author of those materials? If the Catholic church wrote the Bible we would not be going back and forth on Mary because they would have expressly written Jesus Christ into minor position and given Mary the centre page

The only way to preach the Bible is through the Spirit of God ... No other way. Bible college and seminaries will never deliver the spirit . It is personal encounter through personal search that does it.

They would know because the writings of Paul was already a reference material to all churches. Even if he,Timothy didn't make make to them they know what was the practice. You as a Catholic don't need your pope to conduct a mass , it is already a system you can go through ..even if the priest suddenly dies , many are there amongst the crowd of worshippers who can go through with the mass ...they already know how to conduct themselves in the house. The church are the saints ... They contain no truth unless as revealed by the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit has never contradicted the written word ...he speaks only the from the written word ..... Because it is the only weapon he has for doing his work ... Your personal opinion doesn't count before God ... It is his word that he promised would not fall to the ground not your opinion of his word

If you go through the entire old testament you will never meet any prophesy about Peter. Much more one that is fundamental like the establishment of God reign on the earth. Peter wasn't who Jesus Christ was addressing as the rock but the answer that Peter gave when he asked the disciples who they thought he was. It is that answer that is the piece of rock upon which every church desirous of exploit and heavens protection must be founded on.... Thou art the Christ...the saviour...if the church is founded on the saviour he will save her from every world interference

What was given to the apostles and by extension us is the keys?... I will give you the keys..... A house don't keep the key that opens it... It is with the operators of the house... He cant build the house on Peter and hand him the keys....no no.. Tell, the pope that is not possible.....not one but keys...hope you noticed it.... The keys are the secrets to the power sources of heaven...how to unlock them for earthly exploit

I don't need to know the character you entered their names here... They are not the Holy Spirit. They are neither the teacher not the examples

I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter."

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us."

Matthew 16:18-19 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth.

tranxo:
Smh.

When you hear the word Church, what comes to your mind?

Denomination? Church building? The body (fellowship, brethren) of Christ?

Jesus established the Church of Christ. Simple!!! He is the Head and Foundation of Christianity. Jesus did not establish the Roman Catholic Church, or Anglican Church, or Methodist Church, or Apostolic Church. He established the Christian church. Just make sure that the practices of your denomination conforms to the practices and tenets of the Christian Church. Is that too hard to believe.

EXACTLY MY FRIEND, EXACTLY! Now, would you like to talk about the practices and tenets of the early Christian Church? You risk becoming Catholic if you honestly study it.

You said the Bible is not complete, and is not the only way. I laugh.

Jesus is the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life. Is Jesus in the Bible? If yes, that then makes the Bible COMPLETE, and the only guide any GENUINE Christian ought to follow, with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.

Keep laughing.

The bible contains accounts of Jesus, but Jesus Himself is present in his glory in the Church until the end of time! He is the Head of the Body (the Church).

According to the bible,
1. the Church must be One in that all members are united in their belief, worship, sacraments, tradition, and leadership.
2. the Church is holy because Christ established it and continues to share His divine life (His grace) with its members. In turn, the Church continues the mission of Christ with each member striving to live a Christ-like life in accord with His teachings and with the help of His grace.
3. the Church is universal because it is destined to last for all time, and all the faithful on earth are united with the faithful in heaven and the souls in purgatory. The Greek term for "Universal" is katholikos (Catholic).
4. the Church is apostolic because Christ founded it upon the apostles, giving the authority to St. Peter, the first Pope, and the other apostles, the first bishops. This authority has been handed on to their successors as in the case of the choosing of St. Matthias to replace Judas.

Please don't mention me again. You are in a VERY dark place.

Okay, but I'm not promising anything.

[quote author=9inches post=77504100]Catholics don't worship anything apart from God. The church is a congregation of believers who are encouraged in the bible to pray amongst and for each other.

Something protestants fail to realize: the Church (Body of Christ) begets the bible, and not vice versa.This means that the bible does not contain everything Christianity has to offer...

Even the bible itself admitted that

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Where please? You are essentially saying the inspired word of God? inspired through who? (The Holyspirit) which was given to man is insufficient and as such is irrelevant in today's world! What then is the essence of the Bible being used as an authority of the Christian faith? What would then distinguish it as something distinct from man's ideology?

You are limited in knowledge as to what christianity is and has been about because you've adopted sola scriptura (bible-only)

Christianity is not ideologies and doctrines! it's quite deep,my friend. It transcends any human philosophy and sophistication. No one knows it all,but the more we surrender our minds to the tutelage of the Holyspirit,our walk with God becomes clear. Now, every now and then a servant of God can receive [divine] revelations or inspiration about certain things of which may necessitate him or her putting it into writing so that it reaches out to people. This piece of writing could serve as a guide so to speak. However it does not mean it replaces or overrules the Bible entirely from it's PRIMARY place of spiritual guidance. No, rather it serves to consolidate as well as expatiate further the holy text to give clarity and insight to issues. That's why when you read such books(in between) you will often see a litany of biblical texts being referenced in relation to the subject matter discussed. By so doing, the author commits his/her integrity on the validity of his work being chiefly inspired by the word of God(However, this may not always be true. As anyone can just pull out Bible verses to back up their ideas, that doesn't mean such work is divinely inspired. Reason we have soo many sects of Christianity and what have you. However, Paul's declaration in Galatians 1:8,should always keep us in check. It is also not in our place to add or subtract anything from the word of God,as the Bible speaks against it, here:
Deuteronomy 4:2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
32 “[a]Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
Revelation 22:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

Nodogragra4me:
Good to learn that you are two different characters who both are all the same reading the same book and arguing the same issue exactly the same way..

Trying to make atheists Christians, I will gladly join you but making them Catholics. I won't.. I have been one myself

then you have something in common with 9inces, he toyed with atheism too and had to rethink his believe system, I believe that is why he is Interested in arguing with atheists.

2.catholics are Christians. Pretty much the only ones for over 1000 years

Nodogragra4me:
You have left saint issue to jump to glorification. Is that how you were trained into reverend father. I expect you to show me from the scripture that your church is right to confer sainthood as a special title but you have left that to move into another arena.

You can't stay focused on a single subject matter and conclude it conclusively.

it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.

9inches:
I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter."

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us."

Matthew 16:18-19 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth.

I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.




Answer: I am not claiming to know neither are those your so called 33,000 denominations claiming anything. They, just like myself knows we know we carry the very presence of the teacher, The Holy Spirit. I never claimed I know the Holy Spirit. It is not something I have to keep under wrap for it would not be scriptural to do. Jesus regularly called attention to what he carried without apologise. You have to announce what you carry on the behalf of heaven.

Your Scripture passages: I have mentioned here before that knowing the scripture is not a function of the human intellect. It takes humility for the spirit to reveal what is actually in plain sight to anyone. You can have a PhD in philosophy and theology and still not see anything from the scripture. It is seeing that makes the difference. Habbakuku says ... I will stand my watch and see what the Lord will say to me....not hear but see what the Lord will say ...say not present to...when you get to the level of seeing what somebody is saying you got another spirit of conviction beyond the intellect working through you


If you had cared for guidance you would have noticed that the book of Thessalonians you cited in support of the extra biblical practices of the Catholic church never supported what you purport it had supported. ….. ”whether by speech or by letter."
the information here simply tells you that both the written letter and their speech were one and the same. Whether the one they gave as letter or speech carried the same message.

Your second Scripture: You are to imitate me just as I have imitated Christ. What is the custom and tradition of Christ? Simple! It is written ...have ye not read? ... what saith the scripture? See: And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he…. Jesus?.... expounded(means to explain the written word) unto them in all the SCRIPTURES the things concerning himself. (AV, Luke 24:27)

Your third scripture : keep away from men like the pope who live an undisciplined life and same that is without scripture backings … What is biblical discipline? According to my pastors definition, it is simply the disciple's lifestyle. Paul said more than once "what saith the scripture?" when proving his doctrinal points. That is the tradition he was talking about.. The tradition of validating every word from the scripture like they learnt from Jesus, himself.

The tradition of the apostles was to ALWAYS show by the scripture that Christ was the LORD. God's tradition as practiced by Jesus and the apostles had support from the scripture. It never existed as an extraordinary additions to it. Acts 17:1-2 —In Thessalonica, Paul, “as his CUSTOM was,” went to the synagogue “and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.”

There is no other way of checking the propagation of error but by the written word. The scripture is the only available tool backed by heaven for guiding against error within the body of Christians. You would readily agree with me that the only way for detecting error is by comparison against a known tried and perfect standard which is the Bible for one tradition can not be a standard for another. Example is your referring me to some ancient members of your church in trying to prove your point. The Scripture says the bereans search daily In the books of Acts 17:11 to see whether the word they receive had scriptural backing.


When paul warned us about the consequences of being wise in our own eyes because he already saw this consequence from the written word: 1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is WRITTEN, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.




Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Angels in heaven comes tommen and only repeat the written word but a flesh and blood somewhere in his wisdom crafts something outside the scripture and you call it the tradition. Here: Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: (Angel telling John not to bow before him but your church says you should kneel before your Mary statue in prayer and still claim not to worship her) for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book…. The BOOK…. THE WRITTEN WORD: worship God



Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Therefore when you harp on TRADITION AND THE APOSTLES, I assure you that whatever was the custom or tradition amongst them was and is still in the scripture

You have used this sola scriptura too often without knowing the meaning ... Bible or scripture alone doesn't mean you are not to read a book outside the Bible ... What it means is that whatever is being expounded must have scriptura backing for even Jesus the Christ didn't justify any statement about his authority without a reference to the Scripture hence the many occasions he had to preface his statement with : It stands written or Have you not read.


Matt 4:4-10)
Mark 7:13)
John 10:34


Here is Paul affirming the SOLA SCRIPTURA: 1 Corinthians 4:6, Paul says, "Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us you might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other

In Catholic public domain Bible

6 And so, brothers, I have presented these things in myself and in Apollo, for your sakes, so that you may learn, through us, that no one should be inflated against one person and for another, not beyond what has been written. (CPDV, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


New Jerusalem Bible ...Catholic recommended Bible

6 I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that you can learn how the saying, 'Nothing beyond what is written' is true of us: no individual among you must become filled with his own importance and make comparisons, to another's detriment. (NJB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


Douay Rheims ... Acclaimed word for word translation of the Bible


6 But these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollo, for your sakes; that in us you may learn, that one be not puffed up against the other for another, above that which is written. (DRB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)

9inches:
But the bible is ancient. And why would you read any other book outside the bible when you are a "bible alone" christian? Isn't that hypocritical?

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

The traditions which Paul and the apostles delivered to the church were not the traditions of men, rather they were the doctrines which were inspired of God. Neither Paul nor any of the other apostles ever instructed people in person or through their letters to follow vain traditions of men, but rather they were to follow the commands and precepts as given to them from God.
The pastor in the video dug deeper into Christianity and discovered there's more to it than the bible. It is the job of every pastor/teacher to properly hand down to those in his ministry the Biblical traditions of sound doctrine, godly living and conduct, and sound practice in the church.

Mr. Saint is a title for God's people while they are here ... You don't want me to flood this thread with all scripture where the word is found. Everyone that calls the name of the Lord is saved and is a saint. Whosoever believeth is a saint .. stop adding to the Scripture. Any Christian is a full saint not partial saint and is to be called same without any official Decoration

Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.

Mr, Saint is a title for God's people while they are here ... You don't want me to flood this thread with all scripture where the word is found. Everyone that calls the name of the Lord is saved and is a saint. Whosoever believeth is a saint .. stop adding to the Scripture. Any Christian is a full saint not partial saint and is to be called same without any official Decoration

Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.

Nodogragra4me:
I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.

Answer: I am not claiming to know neither are those your so called 33,000 denominations claiming anything. They, just like myself knows we know we carry the very presence of the teacher, The Holy Spirit. I never claimed I know the Holy Spirit. It is not something I have to keep under wrap for it would not be scriptural to do. Jesus regularly called attention to what he carried without apologise. You have to announce what you carry on the behalf of heaven.

Your Scripture passages: I have mentioned here before that knowing the scripture is not a function of the human intellect. It takes humility for the spirit to reveal what is actually in plane sight to anyone. You can have a PhD in philosophy and theology and still not see anything from the scripture.

If you had cared for guidance you would have noticed that the book of Thessalonians you cited in support of the extra biblical practices of the Catholic church never supported what you purport it had supported. ….. ”whether by speech or by letter."
the information here simply tells you that both the written letter and their speech were one and the same. Whether the one they gave as letter or speech carried the same message.

Your second Scripture: You are to imitate me just as I have imitated Christ. What is the custom and tradition of Christ? Simple! It is written ...have ye not read? ... what saith the scripture? See: And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he…. Jesus?.... expounded(means to explain the written word) unto them in all the SCRIPTURES the things concerning himself. (AV, Luke 24:27)

Your third scripture : keep away from men like the pope who live an undisciplined life and same that is without scripture backings … What is biblical discipline? According to my pastors definition, it is simply the disciple's lifestyle. Paul said more than once "what saith the scripture?" when proving his doctrinal points. That is the tradition he was talking about.. The tradition of validating every word from the scripture like they learnt from Jesus, himself.

The tradition of the apostles was to ALWAYS show by the scripture that Christ was the LORD. God's tradition as practiced by Jesus and the apostles had support from the scripture. It never existed as an extraordinary additions to it. Acts 17:1-2 —In Thessalonica, Paul, “as his CUSTOM was,” went to the synagogue “and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.”

There is no other way of checking the propagation of error but by the written word. The scripture is the only available tool backed by heaven for guiding against error within the body of Christians. You would readily agree with me that the only way for detecting error is by comparison against a known tried and perfect standard which is the Bible for one tradition can not be a standard for another. Example is your referring me to some ancient members of your church in trying to prove your point. The Scripture says the bereans search daily In the books of Acts 17:11 to see whether the word they receive had scriptural backing.

When paul warned us about the consequences of being wise in our own eyes because he already saw this consequence from the written word: 1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is WRITTEN, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Angels in heaven comes tommen and only repeat the written word but a flesh and blood somewhere in his wisdom crafts something outside the scripture and you call it the tradition. Here: Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: (Angel telling John not to bow before him but your church says you should kneel before your Mary statue in prayer and still claim not to worship her) for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book…. The BOOK…. THE WRITTEN WORD: worship God

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Therefore when you harp on TRADITION AND THE APOSTLES, I assure you that whatever was the custom or tradition amongst them was and is still in the scripture

@highlighted, Blatant falsehood!

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church, not the bible, has the authority to teach the absolute truth. So, if you're not clear about any verse in the bible, ask the Church for clarification because the bible came out of the Church. Christ commissioned the Church, the Church commissioned the the bible.

9inches:


@highlighted, Blatant falsehood!

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church, not the bible, has the authority to teach the absolute truth. So, if you're not clear about any verse in the bible, ask the Church for clarification because the bible came out of the Church. Christ commissioned the Church, the Church commissioned the the bible.

Try as much as you may want to, you and your pope will never make God or his word a lie. Having sacked the Holy Spirit from the catholic church and replaced him with great thinkers, you will only get the result that is of the world for the enthronment of religion.


MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU. I should ask the pope and his gang about any truth and not the Holy Spirit, who is the actual teacher of the truth and not truth but THE TRUTH.

THE WORD OF GOD...the Bible...CAME OUT OF THE Church (ASSEMBLY) that was first ignorant of the same word... May your eyes of understanding be opened in Jesus name.

I asked the Holy Spirit what I was to write while I opened this page and here is his answer: He says to tell you that it is line on line... One explains the other to a novice Christian under apprenticeship. Here


15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, ...... He went on to say that the next statement only explained in detail this first state...... House of God


which is the church of the living God, ....and the last actually explain the LIVING GOD in the second


the pillar and ground of the truth. (AV, 1 Timothy 3:15)


I swear to God that I added the Bible verse from Eph 2:20... The spirit never gave it to me or rather never ask me to add it .


20 And are built [26] upon the foundation of the [1] apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the [2] chief corner stone; (AV, Ephesians 2:20)

Mr Since I asked the Holy for answer and he gave it to me I have had this burden on my spirit even when I went out to have some nice time with a friend since my family is not around..... He says to tell you that the first question you will be asked on your judgment day will be about this encounter with me.

I have to release this... It has been a burden since morning...nothing I did could clear this from my spirit

9inches:


@highlighted, Blatant falsehood!

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church, not the bible, has the authority to teach the absolute truth. So, if you're not clear about any verse in the bible, ask the Church for clarification because the bible came out of the Church. Christ commissioned the Church, the Church commissioned the the bible.

You and the other inches guy don't even know the meaning of the sola Scriptura that you generous mention at every turn hence the reason for the abuse of it meaning. Sole relevance on the written word simply means that whatever it is your church says is it doctrine must have been commanded by the same written word or commended by it.


If you cannot find justification for your doctrine from God word it has no God in it and the Holy Spirit will never flow or manifest God through it. You cant go beyond the written word as still claim to be of God.

Here is Paul affirming the SOLA SCRIPTURA: 1 Corinthians 4:6, Paul says, "Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us you might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other

In Catholic public domain Bible

6 And so, brothers, I have presented these things in myself and in Apollo, for your sakes, so that you may learn, through us, that no one should be inflated against one person and for another, not beyond what has been written. (CPDV, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


New Jerusalem Bible ...Catholic recommended Bible

6 I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that you can learn how the saying, 'Nothing beyond what is written' is true of us: no individual among you must become filled with his own importance and make comparisons, to another's detriment. (NJB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


Douay Rheims ... Acclaimed word for word translation of the Bible


6 But these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollo, for your sakes; that in us you may learn, that one be not puffed up against the other for another, above that which is written. (DRB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)

Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.

Tedassie:
Where please? You are essentially saying the inspired word of God? inspired through who? (The Holyspirit) which was given to man is insufficient and as such is irrelevant in today's world! What then is the essence of the Bible being used as an authority of the Christian faith? What would then distinguish it as something distinct from man's ideology?

Good question but already answered. Our Lord Jesus Christ did not commission the bible to teach the gospel. Rather, he commissioned the Church and authorized it (her) to teach the truth. The Church with its (her) authority commissioned the bible as one of its (her) tools to teach the truth.

Paul, in 1 Tim 3:14-15, writes to his Timothy, "Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these things so that, if I am delayed, you will know how each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Tedassie:
Where please? You are essentially saying the inspired word of God? inspired through who? (The Holyspirit) which was given to man is insufficient and as such is irrelevant in today's world! What then is the essence of the Bible being used as an authority of the Christian faith? What would then distinguish it as something distinct from man's ideology?

Good question but already answered. Our Lord Jesus Christ did not commission the bible to teach the gospel. Rather, he commissioned the Church and authorized it (her) to teach the truth. The Church with its (her) authority commissioned the bible as one of its (her) tools to teach the truth.
Paul, in 1 Tim 3:14-15, writes to his Timothy, "Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these things so that, if I am delayed, you will know how each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Christianity is not ideologies and doctrines! it's quite deep,my friend. It transcends any human philosophy and sophistication. No one knows it all,but the more we surrender our minds to the tutelage of the Holyspirit,our walk with God becomes clear. Now, every now and then a servant of God can receive [divine] revelations or inspiration about certain things of which may necessitate him or her putting it into writing so that it reaches out to people. This piece of writing could serve as a guide so to speak. However it does not mean it replaces or overrules the Bible entirely from it's PRIMARY place of spiritual guidance. No, rather it serves to consolidate as well as expatiate further the holy text to give clarity and insight to issues. That's why when you read such books(in between) you will often see a litany of biblical texts being referenced in relation to the subject matter discussed. By so doing, the author commits his/her integrity on the validity of his work being chiefly inspired by the word of God(However, this may not always be true. As anyone can just pull out Bible verses to back up their ideas, that doesn't mean such work is divinely inspired. Reason we have soo many sects of Christianity and what have you. However, Paul's declaration in Galatians 1:8,should always keep us in check.

Exactly. I agree. But the realization that the Church, not the bible was authorized to teach the truth. This follows that if the Church commissioned the bible, then there's no way the bible or the church would contradict each other if well understood.

It is also not in our place to add or subtract anything from the word of God,as the Bible speaks against it, here:
Deuteronomy 4:2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
32 “[a]Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
Revelation 22:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

You, like every other Pentecostal, is applying those verses wrongly. They are specific to the particular statements/books they were written in.