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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 4:23pm On Apr 22, 2019
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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:23pm On Apr 22, 2019
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Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by budaatum: 4:24pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Ion think u understand what you quote, Christianity all over the world Is one body , don't forget whoever is not against you is for you, which means whoever is against you is not for you . with the way this so called Christians attack and AGAINST each other in areas of teaching, u still have the confidence to say they all represent Jesus ?
No, "whoever is not against you is for you," does not mean "whoever is against you is not for you", at least not always or most often, in fact! Imagine a child believing that! It will be naughty, I will oppose it, so I am the enemy?!

We might be against you for your own good for instance, or for the good of the group, or be supporting you in your wrong ways for our own advantage and your own destruction.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:24pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
Yes.
Are their sins forgiven because of the new covenant? Yes.

Will you sit on THRONES?
Will your sins be forgiven?
Is God's law written in your heart?
typical way of responding when you can't defend yourself . am driving somewhere please

The question is : will those in the new covenant rule as Kings and sit on Thrones ?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:26pm On Apr 22, 2019
budaatum:
No, "whoever is not against you is for you," does not mean "whoever is against you is not for you", at least not always or most often, in fact! Imagine a child believing that! It will be naughty, I will oppose it, so I am the enemy?!

We might be against you for your own good for instance, or for the good of the group, or be supporting you in your wrong ways for our own advantage and your own destruction.
Yeah for my own good, that's why he can't explain John 3:8 .

Please tell me u are joking.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op): 4:28pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
In what context were they speaking ? That's what happen when reddit is your pastor. U end up confused . it shows already

Explain John 3:8 please
You see, it's easy for you to rush in making remarks about others, calling names, pastors etc. I don't do that. You won't see me do that. Mistakes can be made and I made them. I'm responding to about 3 people at a time, and I can say type what isn't on my mind.

And reddit isn't a pastor. Correct yourself
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 4:28pm On Apr 22, 2019
budaatum:
We can't be in Christ because we are not one of you, Tatime? Mark 9:38
Well budaatum,
That is the TRUTH! You either HUMBLY accept it and start making moves to fit in the arrangements or ARROGANTLY practice your own Christianity independently of our group.
It's not by force. There is no other option, you either accept that our group is the one and only group practicing real Christianity then join us to know how to remain a member of the global family or reject us as one of those numerous false groups claiming Christians and practice your own Christianity the best way you know! smiley smiley smiley
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:29pm On Apr 22, 2019
Maximus69:
Haa!
He has argued over that several time with daddy and mummy at home,and are you now asking him the same question? cheesy
I don't think his rebellious heart can grasp that! embarassed
Lol, hope u attend the Memorial ? How's it ? cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 4:31pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Lolz quote where I reject Jesus mediatorship ?

Be sensible enough to recognize Jesus mediatorship of new covenant is different from the one talked about at 1Tim 2:5 which applies to everyone please.

Stop peddling lies, it doesn't make u wiser
Jessicha @ 3:33 pm April 22


If they rule, they they must rule over some ... That is sense telling YOU and I(Jessicha), his mediator of a new covenant isn't for everyone

Achorladey: rottennaija has stated clearly that JESUS CHRIST is his MEDIATOR but this statement of YOURS HERE is CONFUSING, can you explain further and are there TWO NEW CONVENANT?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:32pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
You see, it's easy for you to rush in making remarks about others, calling names, pastors etc. I don't do that. You won't see me do that. Mistakes can be made and I made them. I'm responding to about 3 people at a time, and I can say type what isn't on my mind.

And reddit isn't a pastor. Correct yourself
Pastor is an insult ?
I didn't call you names either , I only know many Ex witness do make reference to reddit. That's not an insult if you ask me unless you do not visit reddit. Then that's a different case.

I want you to explain John 3:8 for me.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op): 4:33pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
typical way of responding when you can't defend yourself . am driving somewhere please

The question is : will those in the new covenant rule as Kings and sit on Thrones ?
Focus on your driving if you can't see the response. Before you say someone made you have accident. Didn't you see yes?

Didn't you see that among what those in the new covenant will enjoy will be their sins forgiven? God's law written in their hearts? No one telling them to know Jehovah, for their will all know him?

Was it only sitting on thrones that you saw? Didn't you see them sitting on thrones and judging the 12 tribes of Israel?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:33pm On Apr 22, 2019
achorladey:
Jessicha @ 3:33 pm April 22


If they rule, they they must rule over some ... That is sense telling YOU and I(Jessicha), his mediator of a new covenant isn't for everyone

Achorladey: rottennaija has stated clearly that JESUS CHRIST is his MEDIATOR but this statement of YOURS HERE is CONFUSING, can you explain further and are there TWO NEW CONVENANT?
Who is this pls ? Quote me properly
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op): 4:34pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Pastor is an insult ?
I didn't call you names either , I only know many Ex witness do make reference to reddit. That's not an insult if you ask me unless you do not visit reddit. Then that's a different case.

I want you to explain John 3:8 for me.
@bolded, don't rush. I'm writing many things.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by budaatum: 4:35pm On Apr 22, 2019
TATIME:
Well budaatum,
That is the TRUTH! You either HUMBLY accept it and start making moves to fit in the arrangements or ARROGANTLY practice your own Christianity independently of our group.
It's not by force. There is no other option, you either accept that our group is the one and only group practicing real Christianity then join us to know how to remain a member of the global family or reject us as one of those numerous false groups claiming Christians and practice your own Christianity the best way you know! smiley smiley smiley
Ah well, I guess I'll just content myself being an unconditionally accepted member of the Communion of our Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah since its good enough for God who so loved the world.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 4:35pm On Apr 22, 2019
budaatum:
No, "whoever is not against you is for you," does not mean "whoever is against you is not for you", at least not always or most often, in fact! Imagine a child believing that! It will be naughty, I will oppose it, so I am the enemy?!

We might be against you for your own good for instance, or for the good of the group, or be supporting you in your wrong ways for our own advantage and your own destruction.
budaatum: We might be AGAINST YOU for your OWN GOOD for instance, or for the good of the group, or be supporting you in your WRONG ways for our own ADVANTAGE and your own DESTRUCTION.

Achorladey: See explanation eheh. IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op): 4:36pm On Apr 22, 2019
TATIME:
Well budaatum,
That is the TRUTH! You either HUMBLY accept it and start making moves to fit in the arrangements or ARROGANTLY practice your own Christianity independently of our group.
It's not by force. There is no other option, you either accept that our group is the one and only group practicing real Christianity then join us to know how to remain a member of the global family or reject us as one of those numerous false groups claiming Christians and practice your own Christianity the best way you know!
smiley smiley smiley
Lol... Soon you will start carrying guns to force people, carve out your territory and call it God's kingdom. Then you will start practicing real killings. That's how extremist start
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:36pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
Focus on your driving of you can't see the response. Before you say someone made you have accident. Didn't you see yes?

Didn't you see that among what those in the new covenant will enjoy will be their sins forgiven? God's law written in their hearts? No one telling them to know Jehovah, for their will all know him?


Was it only sitting on thrones that you saw? Didn't you see them sitting on thrones and judging the 12 tribes of Israel?
By Yes, means anyone in the New Covenant will be a KING . nice

If yes, those whom they rule over ... Re they in the new covenant ? ( Rev 5:9,10) to rule as king over the earth.

Those earthly subjects, are they in the new covenant since they are not kings?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op):
Jessicha:
By Yes, means anyone in the New Covenant will be a KING . nice

If yes, those whom they rule over ... Re they in the new covenant ? ( Rev 5:9,10) to rule as king over the earth.

Those earthly subjects, are they in the new covenant since they are not kings?
Refer to earthly subject in the Bible? Also, they will sit on thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Is the 12 tribes of Israel the whole world?

St. Luke 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Also, I asked you.

Didn't you see that among what those in the new covenant will enjoy will be their sins forgiven? God's law written in their hearts? No one telling them to know Jehovah, for their will all know him?

So, let me guess can correctly, since you are not in the new covenant, you don't enjoy this privileges?

When Jesus spoke of his disciples as sitting on thrones, to judge the twelve tribes of Israel, it is recorded in Lu 22:30. The parallel account is in Mt 19:28. Both accounts has nothing to do with the promise of the new covenant.

In Lu 22 :30, the disciples where arguing among themselves who would be the greatest in the kingdom of God. Jesus mentioned many things, telling then how people in the world order others around. But he said among them, the greatest should be least and leaders must be servants (v26, 27)

Then showing them how different he is from world leaders, he mentioned they have been loyal to him and whatever the father has given him, he will also give them. He promised them "St. Luke 22:28 - 30" You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right, to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The same is found in Mt 19:28 where Peter asked him of their reward after living everything to follow him. There he said " St. Matthew 19:28, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

If you observe, the account in Mt had nothing to do with the new covenant. It is only in the gospel of Luke that you find both (new covenant and sitting on thrones) in the same chapter. So, why are they not in the same chapter in Mt but in Luke?

Also, if the sitting on thrones is literal, then it's gonna be
12 thrones
they will also eat and
feed at the tables in God's kingdom.

I didn't object that those in the new covenant will sit on thrones, because the 12 apostles of Jesus were obviously included in the new covenant (their sins are forgiven.

However, it's not only them that will sit on thrones. (The Bible mentions of the 24 elders who also sits on 24 thrones.)

Moreso, I keep repeating, the new covenant includes all true Christians because it is only those who are in the new covenant that their sins are forgiven. God's law is written in their heart and they do not need the law code to tell them to love Jehovah or show them how to love Jehovah and Jesus. It's in their heart to love Jesus and Jehovah.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 4:38pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Lol, hope u attend the Memorial ? How's it ? cheesy
It was really educating and faith strengthening! smiley
Well, i just keep thanking Jehovah's Witnesses for their effort,persistence and humility all those days as they keep coping with my stubbornness and coming despite my arrogance till i could grasp the whole concept.
I also thank all these critics on Nairaland for their incessant criticism against the one and only group belonging to Jesus Christ! Matthew 10:22 John 17:14-16
Now it is clearer than ever! smiley
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:39pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
@bolded, don't rush. I'm writing many things.
Lol grin . so funny. Just respond that's the point
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by budaatum: 4:41pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Yeah for my own good, that's why he can't explain John 3:8 .

Please tell me u are joking.
You read the words but cannot tell?
Do Spirits oppose?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 4:41pm On Apr 22, 2019
smiley
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:41pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
Refer to earthly subject in the Bible?

Rev 5:9,10 Rule as Kings OVER where

Please are u scared or what's all this unnecessary deviating , are those whom they RULE OVER in the new covenant since they are not Kings ?

Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by achorladey: 4:41pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Who is this pls ? Quote me properly
Jessicha @ 3:33 pm April 22

Jessicha: If they rule, they they must rule over some ... That is sense telling YOU and I (Jessicha), HIS MEDIATOR of a NEW COVENANT isn't for everyone

Achorladey: rottennaija has stated clearly that JESUS CHRIST is his MEDIATOR but this statement of YOURS HERE is CONFUSING, can you explain further and are there TWO NEW CONVENANT?

I have a moniker that you can clearly SEE. If you want to respond please do respond. You don't know who it is and your respond and request for quoting you properly.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:42pm On Apr 22, 2019
[quote author=budaatum post=77763504]You read the words but cannot tell?
Do Spirits oppose?[/quote
Who are you pls ? If u have nothing ideal to share , just stay on your lane Sir cheesy
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 4:44pm On Apr 22, 2019
achorladey:
Jessicha @ 3:33 pm April 22

Jessicha: If they rule, they they must rule over some ... That is sense telling YOU and I (Jessicha), HIS MEDIATOR of a NEW COVENANT isn't for everyone

Achorladey: rottennaija has stated clearly that JESUS CHRIST is his MEDIATOR but this statement of YOURS HERE is CONFUSING, can you explain further and are there TWO NEW CONVENANT?

I have a moniker that you can clearly SEE. If you want to respond please do respond. You don't know who it is and your respond and request for quoting you properly.
Find it hard reading your post. There is only one new covenant and those in it will rule as Kings, any issue ??

Jesus mediate for those in the new covenant.Heb12:24

He also mediate for all men - 1Tim 2:5
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 4:45pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Lol, hope u attend the Memorial ? How's it ? cheesy
Great! smiley
My baptism comes up by June,Tatime and i were together at Daluwon few weeks ago.
So i'll find a way to invite you, meanwhile it's taking place @ Otta!
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by rottennaija(op): 4:47pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:

Rev 5:9,10 Rule as Kings OVER where

Please are u scared or what's all this unnecessary deviating , are those whom they RULE OVER in the new covenant since they are not Kings ?

Revelation 5:10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

They are reigning while still on the earth.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by budaatum: 4:50pm On Apr 22, 2019
Jessicha:
Who are you pls ? If u have nothing ideal to share , just stay on your lane Sir cheesy
There's no lanes here Ma. Its a public highway Naija style, we haven't got the paint to waste. Besides, you're aren't the only one here, nor should one stand by and not challenge some thinkings!

I am buda. Those who are not with buda are not necessarily against buda. They may just not have the time for buda. The earth is big enough for all.
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Nobody: 4:57pm On Apr 22, 2019
budaatum:
Ah well, I guess I'll just content myself being an unconditionally accepted member of the Communion of our Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah since its good enough for God who so loved the world.
Well that's really cute.
So worship your God the best way you know and don't forget: Tatime's God differs from your God!
Farewell! smiley smiley smiley
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by budaatum: 4:59pm On Apr 22, 2019
TATIME:
Well that's really cute.
So worship your God the best way you know and don't forget: Tatime's God differs from your God!
Farewell! smiley smiley smiley
Tatime, have you carved out for yourself some other God apart from the Lord God Almighty whose son is Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour?
Re: How To Get Jehovah's Witnesses To Listen by Jessicha(f): 5:01pm On Apr 22, 2019
rottennaija:
Revelation 5:10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

They are reigning while still on the earth.
And Jesus said he is bringing them to his Father house , on earth abi ?

Check Matthew 18:13 , the same preposition is translated OVER. So nothing is wrong with what I said.
For those whom they rule over , are they in the new covenant since they are not Kings ? Simple question
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