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Maximus69:
Hmmm, that's worth commending!
But he is now telling you that if you don't resolve in your heart to join the organization that is teaching him, you can't worship his own God!
If i were you, i'll be willing to learn more about that God or forget about Tatime completely!

Tatime is not really my issue. What's of importance is what he says on a public forum and the validity he shows for it. A group of people who thought they were the anointed of God have existed in the past so we ought to learn from such errors and not go about teaching them to others even if we believed so. Besides, the very nice JWs who live across the hall from me do not take to this attitude of Tatime's, so it does surprise me. It definitely will surprise me if they thought like Tatime but behaved like angels. I'd find that impossible, they are that nice.

I worship the God depicted in my Bible. There is no other God but God!

Jozzy4:
rottennaija explain John 3:8 ,

Cc Jessicha, have u forgotten?

We are not going to be jumping from one issue to another. Let's face one. We are talking of the new covenant for now

budaatum:
Tatime is not really my issue. What's of importance is what he says on a public forum and the validity he shows for it. A group of people who thought they were the anointed of God have existed in the past so we ought to learn from such errors and not go about teaching them to others even if we believed so. Besides, the very nice JWs who live across the hall from me do not take to this attitude of Tatime's, so it does surprise me. It definitely will surprise me if they thought like Tatime but behaved like angels. I'd find that impossible, they are that nice.

I worship the God depicted in my Bible. There is no other God but God!

Well it's like there is still so much for you to learn about JWs Ma!
When you see people face to face in your neighbourhood, they may choose to greet or ignore you but JWs always try to do all within their capacity to get closer to you IN OTHER TO PASS ACROSS THEIR BELIEFS!
If they notice that you're friendly, they'll continue to get closer, if you often discuss with them, study the Bible with them and attend their meetings, they'll be getting ever closer.
But once they find out you're not interested in THEIR God, the friendship will gradually cool off! You can be their neighbour, classmate, colleague, boss, worker and so on. You'll always notice the good in them but if you're not ready to join the group, they can't get further closer than that! No praying nor marriage alliance with you, neither can you become their inlaw!
But no matter where you come from on this planet, if you're worshiping with the JWs automatically you've become a member of their global spiritual family!
You've not met Tatime face to face therefore you don't really know him neither do you know any of those JWs living next to you. We greet virtually anybody in our neighbourhood with warm smiles but when it comes to sacred matters, you either join us to become a member of our spiritual family or it's time to say goodbye for now!

Jessicha:
To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word)


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).

Jessicha: To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

Achorladey: Thank God I didn't say JESUS LIED. That will be me going beyond my BOUNDARY. My response is to YOU and you said I LIED. This conversation has not ended yet.

Jessicha: He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word).

Achorladey: Scripture in support of this your POSITION.
Please don't forget are these still ALL in that ONE NEW COVENANT.


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).


Achorladey: What I can say about this is it seems you quickly copied that part of your response to rottennaija post and paste it on mine. I don't think you took time to read his post.

Let's reason together a bit, take this illustration as an example as it applies to the angle and mindset you have that.......The JWS believe 144,000 will rule with Christ and serve as King and Priest in Heaven.

My illustration is this

JESUS MADE A NEW CONVENANT WITH ONE MILLION PEOPLE but selected 144,000 to rule with him over the OTHERS who are EQUALLY part of the NEW CONVENANT.


Jesus made a NEW CONVENANT with ONLY 144,OOO and SERVE as JUST MEDIATOR between the REMAINDER of the ONE MILLION simply because the REMAINDER of the ONE MILLION will not rule with HIM they cannot be said to be PART OF THE NEW CONVENANT.

The reasonable question that will be asked from ILLUSTRATION 2 is what is Christ MEDIATING FOR on behalf of the remaining ONE MILLIONS?


In line with what has been written in the BIBLE which will you have me accept.

rottennaija:
We are not going to be jumping from one issue to another. Let's face one. We are talking of the new covenant for now

hahahahaha and you are discussing both before o, u just suddenly stop replying when that John 3:8 was mentioned. No be small thing

achorladey:
Jessicha: To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

Achorladey: Thank God I didn't say JESUS LIED. That will be me going beyond my BOUNDARY. My response is to YOU and you said I LIED. This conversation has not ended yet.

Jessicha: He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word).

Achorladey: Scripture in support of this your POSITION.
Please don't forget are these still ALL in that ONE NEW COVENANT.


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).


Achorladey: What I can say about this is it seems you quickly copied that part of your response to rottennaija post and paste it on mine. I don't think you took time to read his post.

Let's reason together a bit, take this illustration as an example as it applies to the angle and mindset you have that.......The JWS believe 144,000 will rule with Christ and serve as King and Priest in Heaven.

My illustration is this

JESUS MADE A NEW CONVENANT WITH ONE MILLION PEOPLE but selected 144,000 to rule with him over the OTHERS who are EQUALLY part of the NEW CONVENANT.


Jesus made a NEW CONVENANT with ONLY 144,OOO and SERVE as JUST MEDIATOR between the REMAINDER of the ONE MILLION simply because the REMAINDER of the ONE MILLION will not rule with HIM they cannot be said to be PART OF THE NEW CONVENANT.

The reasonable question that will be asked from ILLUSTRATION 2 is what is Christ MEDIATING FOR on behalf of the remaining ONE MILLIONS?


In line with what has been written in the BIBLE which will you have me accept.

Her entire response to you is based on Luke 22:29-30

" and I make a covenant with you , just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom , that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom AND SIT ON THRONES to judge the twelve tribes of isreal "

The covenant he made with them involved Ruling as Kings . are those whom they will rule over not automatically excluded ? That's her question

To which you say " No" , so your Lord lied that the New Covenant is to sit on throne ?

@ budaatum.
I've been through all the comments on this thread,noticing each commentator and their interest regarding posts.
It's obvious you come into this thread purposely because of Tatime!
But if that's not so let's see how far you'll continue with the thread without any response from Tatime.
So my advice for you is to learn more about the God of JWs, they often claim that their God is not the same as that of all other groups. Yes they use the Bible but if you feel they're wrong with their beliefs,well it's your personal opinion and you're entitled to it!
Jehovah's Witnesses are a unique people that others envy due to the strong bond within the worshipers, you either become one of us or forget about us. That doesn't mean you've become our enemy, it simply means what the JWs stand for simply quote:OUR GOD DIFFER FROM THAT OF OTHERS!
Thanks budaatum!

Maximus69:
Well it's like there is still so much for you to learn about JWs Ma!
When you see people face to face in your neighbourhood, they may choose to greet or ignore you but JWs always try to do all within their capacity to get closer to you IN OTHER TO PASS ACROSS THEIR BELIEFS!
If they notice that you're friendly, they'll continue to get closer, if you often discuss with them, study the Bible with them and attend their meetings, they'll be getting ever closer.
But once they find out you're not interested in THEIR God, the friendship will gradually cool off! You can be their neighbour, classmate, colleague, boss, worker and so on. You'll always notice the good in them but if you're not ready to join the group, they can't get further closer than that! No praying nor marriage alliance with you, neither can you become their inlaw!
But no matter where you come from on this planet, if you're worshiping with the JWs automatically you've become a member of their global spiritual family!
You've not met Tatime face to face therefore you don't really know him neither do you know any of those JWs living next to you. We greet virtually anybody in our neighbourhood with warm smiles but when it comes to sacred matters, you either join us to become a member of our spiritual family or it's time to say goodbye for now!

Thank God it is God I am curious about and follow and not Tatime. I wonder how such people get on in life with their "follow me or be condemned" attitude.

Jozzy4:
Her entire response to you is based on Luke 22:29-30

" and I make a covenant with you , just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom , that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom AND SIT ON THRONES to judge the twelve tribes of isreal "

The covenant he made with them involved Ruling as Kings . are those whom they will rule over not automatically excluded ? That's her question

To which you say " No" , so your Lord lied that the New Covenant is to sit on throne ?

First do you agree this is the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT? or they are TWO meaning the one stated in Luke 22: 19,20 is different from Luke 22: 29,30.


Are we clear on this FIRST before we PROCEED and you didn't attempt the illustration given.

achorladey:
First do you agree this is the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT? or they are TWO meaning the one stated in Luke 22: 19,20 is different from Luke 22: 29,30.


Are we clear on this FIRST before we PROCEED and you didn't attempt the illustration given.

Mr, its the same COVENANT . tell me your Lord lied that those in the covenant will sit on thrones?

Jozzy4:
Mr, its the same COVENANT .

Thank you for your kind response,

is this NEW COVENANT just for ONLY those who will rule with CHRIST or the whole of mankind? Is the blood and body of JESUS CHRIST USED just for ONLY the 144,0000 or the whole of MANKIND?

an addendum to your post.

I didn't state that JESUS LIED, saying or STATING that is beyond my BOUNDARY. MY MOUTH and FINGERS used in typing no fit.

budaatum:
Thank God it is God I am curious about and follow and not Tatime. I wonder how such people get on in life with their "follow me or be condemned" attitude.

Well, they've been coping for ages now and those who truly know them joined them to become members of the global spiritual family, others remained neutral just to cope with their dos and donts and vast majority have developed intense hatred for them due to their stand.
But Jehovah's Witnesses will always live by the code set by their founder who said 'if you're not in agreement with me regarding mindset, you're definitely not a member of my SPIRITUAL family!' Matthew 12:47-50

Jessicha:
1John 2:2 should enlighten you. Not just for sin of his disciples in the new covenant , one of which is John but the entire world will enjoy it too





Matthew 28:18-20. Jesus ask them to teach the whole nation this Laws.



I never said am in or not, u don't even know where I belong and you don't need to, what matters is after reading my first two response. U should br enlightened



U lied, the Greek word in that verse means to covenant.


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).


He concludes with them covenant for a kingdom, they will rule as kings .



Jesus clearly said he make a Covenant with them fr a Kingdom to sit on thrones.

New covenant has to do with ruling as Kings

Those whom they rule over are not Kings, does that not exclude them from the new covenant ?

Jessicha

Please come again. I think I am lost in your explanations and should include the scriptures that support your points

Maximus69:
Well, they've been coping for ages now and those who truly know them joined them to become members of the global spiritual family, others remained neutral just to cope with their dos and donts and vast majority have developed intense hatred for them due to their stand.
But Jehovah's Witnesses will always live by the code set by their founder who said 'if you're not in agreement with me regarding mindset, you're definitely not a member of my SPIRITUAL family!' Matthew 12:47-50

It's time to tell them that there is fire on the mountain, so there is no time to waste with fruitless,meaningless friendship with those who will not worship our God!
If you've noticed something special in JWs, do something to show you've seen something and if not just walk away with your indifference. No chances for those who feels like sitting on the fence!
The time left is shorter than ever!

Jozzy4:
Mr, its the same COVENANT . tell me your Lord lied that those in the covenant will sit on thrones?

No he didn't lie when he promised they will sit on thrones. How many thrones did he promise them? And who were there to judge over?

rottennaija:
We are not going to be jumping from one issue to another. Let's face one. We are talking of the new covenant for now

Well done! this has really been WHAT A RUSH! Taking time to discuss biblically can really be INTERESTING and EYE OPENING. It equally SHARPENS ONE'S REASONING SKILLS. After all Paul loves REASONING with those he PREACHED, TEACH and wrote letters to just like his master and Lord JESUS did.

achorladey:
Thank you for your kind response,

is this NEW COVENANT just for ONLY those who will rule with CHRIST or the whole of mankind?

You hear him well at Luke 22:28-30 , didn't you ? Those who will rule with him. Does that not remove those whom they will rule over ? Or your Lord lied ?

Is the blood and body of JESUS CHRIST USED just for ONLY the 144,0000 or the whole of MANKIND?

1John 2:2 not just for us ( in the new covenant ) which John is part of, but the whole world. Jesus died for the whole world.

But the covenant to rule as Kings is for a " Little flock " Luke 12:32 .

Non members of the new covenant do not partake of the bread and wine.

rottennaija:
No he didn't lie when he promised they will sit on thrones. How many thrones did he promise them? And who were there to judge over?

Do we now agree those in the new covenant are Kings ?

TATIME:
It's time to tell them that there is fire on the mountain, so there is no time to waste with fruitless,meaningless friendship with those who will not worship our God!
If you've noticed something special in JWs, do something to show you've seen something and if not just walk away with your indifference. No chances for those who feels like sitting on the fence!
The time left is shorter than ever!

Hmmm,
I just feel like June should quickly come and go so that i'll become a baptised JW without any further delay!
Each time i think of what John wrote concerning the dragon waging war against the remaining of the womans seed, and i come on NL to see the way people hate JWs just for saying 'it's only within our group that you can worship our God'. Revelations 12:17
Tatime, the whole thing gets clearer and clearer in my sight spiritually speaking!
Now it's clear that they're not really against the other sheep, but against the remaining of the anointed ones as they're seeing them already ruling the 'new earth' [people from all the earth unitedly obeying them]
Instead of critics to find another better governing group, they're saying such shouldn't be or it shouldn't work, when they're eyewitnesses themselves to the fact that the system is already working!
Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you oooooooo!

I have noticed something about all these Jws. The Bible is really specific in the new covenant, that it's for the forgiveness of sins. Compare Je 31:32-35 with Mt 26:28.

Jeremiah 31:31- 34

"The day will come," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife," says the Lord. "But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the Lord. "I will put my laws in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, 'You should know the Lord.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the Lord. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."


St. Matthew 26:27, 28
And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said, " Each of you drink from it, for this is my blood, which seals the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out to forgive the sins of many.


In both cases of this prophecy and its fulfillment, it is explicitly stated that the new covenant was for the forgiveness of sins. Jeremiah mentioned that it also includes God's law written in the heart of his people among other things.

But in all these, when they are talking of this covenant, they have refused to even mention that the new covenant is for the forgiveness of sins. Without the new covenant, no forgiveness of sins is possible and it is sealed by the blood of Jesus.

Let me also add! When you consider the parallel account of Jesus promise to his disciples for a kingdom, he mentioned that its because they have given up everything to follow him, the kingdom promised by his father is theirs as well.

St. Matthew 19:27 - 29
Then Peter said to him, "We've given up everything to follow you. What will we get out of it?" And Jesus replied, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will have eternal life.

St. Luke 22:28 - 30
You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


For the disciples of Jesus to have their sins forgiven, they need to be a part of the new covenant. It's not just them, for the whole world to have their sins forgiven, they need the new covenant sealed by Jesus blood.

Jesus also promised the disciples who have been loyal to him of kingdom. The same kingdom his father has promised him. That is what Lu 22:28-30 is about.

rottennaija:
Please come again. I think I am lost in your explanations and should include the scriptures that support your points

You said their sins shall be forgiven, I replied with 1John 2:2 not just for his disciples but the whole world.

You said the law will be in their hearts, I said Jesus command them to teach the nations to observe the Law of Christ too.

And lastly you lied Luke 22:28-30 wasn't about new covenant and I quoted the meaning of the Greek word in that scripture which means covenant. To prove my point.

So what's the issue ?

rottennaija:
I have noticed something about all these Jws. The Bible is really specific in the new covenant, that it's for the forgiveness of sins. Compare Je 31:32-35 with Mt 26:28.

Jeremiah 31:31- 34

"The day will come," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife," says the Lord. "But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the Lord. "I will put my laws in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, 'You should know the Lord.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the Lord. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."


St. Matthew 26:27, 28
And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said, " Each of you drink from it, for this is my blood, which seals the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out to forgive the sins of many.


In both cases of this prophecy and its fulfillment, it is explicitly stated that the new covenant was for the forgiveness of sins. Jeremiah mentioned that it also includes God's law written in the heart of his people among other things.

But in all these, when they are talking of this covenant, they have refused to even mention that the new covenant is for the forgiveness of sins. Without the new covenant, no forgiveness of sins is possible and it is sealed by the blood of Jesus.

Let me also add! When you consider the parallel account of Jesus promise to his disciples for a kingdom, he mentioned that its because they have given up everything to follow him, the kingdom promised by his father is theirs as well.

St. Matthew 19:27 - 29
Then Peter said to him, "We've given up everything to follow you. What will we get out of it?" And Jesus replied, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will have eternal life.

St. Luke 22:28 - 30
You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom , I now grant you the right to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


For the disciples of Jesus to have their sins forgiven, they need to be a part of the new covenant. It's not just them, for the whole world to have their sins forgiven, they need the new covenant sealed by Jesus blood.

Jesus also promised the disciples who have been loyal to him of kingdom. The same kingdom his father has promised him. That is what Lu 22:28-30 is about.

What's the Greek word your version wrote as grant and it's meaning ? That's how they hide fact from you . same thing they did with the word " soul" am not surprised

Read what is below

rottennaija:
Compare Je 31:32-35 with Mt 26:28.

Jeremiah 31:31- 34

"The day will come," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife," says the Lord. "But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the Lord. "I will put my laws in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, 'You should know the Lord.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the Lord. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."


St. Matthew 26:27, 28
And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said, " Each of you drink from it, for this is my blood, which seals the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out to forgive the sins of many.


In both cases of this prophecy and its fulfillment, it is explicitly stated that the new covenant was for the forgiveness of sins. Jeremiah mentioned that it also includes God's law written in the heart of his people among other things.

But in all these, when they are talking of this covenant, they have refused to even mention that the new covenant is for the forgiveness of sins. Without the new covenant, no forgiveness of sins is possible and it is sealed by the blood of Jesus.

Let me also add! When you consider the parallel account of Jesus promise to his disciples for a kingdom, he mentioned that its because they have given up everything to follow him, the kingdom promised by his father is theirs as well.

St. Matthew 19:27 - 29
Then Peter said to him, "We've given up everything to follow you. What will we get out of it?" And Jesus replied, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will have eternal life.

St. Luke 22:28 - 30
You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


For the disciples of Jesus to have their sins forgiven, they need to be a part of the new covenant. It's not just them, for the whole world to have their sins forgiven, they need the new covenant sealed by Jesus blood.

Jesus also promised the disciples who have been loyal to him of kingdom. The same kingdom his father has promised him. That is what Lu 22:28-30 is about.

Jessicha:
You said their sins shall be forgiven, I replied with 1John 2:2 not just for his disciples but the whole world.

You said the law will be in their hearts, I said Jesus command them to teach the nations to observe the Law of Christ too.

And lastly you lied Luke 22:28-30 wasn't about new covenant and I quoted the meaning of the Greek word in that scripture which means covenant. To prove my point.

So what's the issue ?

rottennaija:
We are not going to be jumping from one issue to another. Let's face one. We are talking of the new covenant for now

But u can ask me to check some verses right ? Explain John 3:8 please

rottennaija:
Read what is below

Have done so, to which I demand for the meaning of the Greek word rendered grant or granted .

Is that hard ?

Jessicha:
You said their sins shall be forgiven, I replied with 1John 2:2 not just for his disciples but the whole world.

You said the law will be in their hearts, I said Jesus command them to teach the nations to observe the Law of Christ too.

And lastly you lied Luke 22:28-30 wasn't about new covenant and I quoted the meaning of the Greek word in that scripture which means covenant. To prove my point.

So what's the issue ?

If they're seeing human government, they thought everything just came about by mere human wisdom! Whereas Satan wanted them to feel their own human government will workout something beneficial!
They have elected President who represents the whole country during meetings with the united nations, yet there are senators and reps chosen to stand for the interest of their people before the Presidency!
Lots and lots of protocols must be duly observed before any citizen can get to the office of the President. But when it comes to the issue of God, sinful mankind thought it is just easy to remove the blemish Adamic sin brought on them, and they feel like ignoring all the protocols that's due before dealing directly with the Most high God who is HOLY ~ PURE!
Well no wonder Jehovah's organization arranged for a study program to know all these necessary things before one is baptised into the fold!

Maximus69:
Well, they've been coping for ages now and those who truly know them joined them to become members of the global spiritual family, others remained neutral just to cope with their dos and donts and vast majority have developed intense hatred for them due to their stand.
But Jehovah's Witnesses will always live by the code set by their founder who said 'if you're not in agreement with me regarding mindset, you're definitely not a member of my SPIRITUAL family!' Matthew 12:47-50

In agreement with Jesus Christ, and not "in agreement with JW". Or is that not true?

Jessicha:
But u can ask me to check some verses right ? Explain John 3:8 please

The verses are still on the same issue of new covenant

budaatum:
In agreement with Jesus Christ, and not "in agreement with JW". Or is that not true?

Hmmm,
Well Jesus is just one person whose thoughts, words and actions should be studied with thorough meditation in order to identify those following his footstep today!
If you feel you can be in agreement with Jesus but can't find a visible group of like minded people having the same mindset, then you're just following the false Jesus who leads people into lawlessness or iniquity!
Lawlessness connotes doing things the way each person feels without laws guarding or ruling over a group of persons or community!
Jesus is a King, he is invisible but his subjects are VISIBLE. They are known today as Jehovah's Witnesses so if you're not with them, Jesus will count you out of his OBEDIENT and LAWFUL subjects! Matthew 7:21-23

Maximus69:
If they're seeing human government, they thought everything just came about by mere human wisdom! Whereas Satan wanted them to feel their own human government will workout something beneficial!
They have elected President who represents the whole country during meetings with the united nations, yet there are senators and reps chosen to stand for the interest of their people before the Presidency!
Lots and lots of protocols must be duly observed before any citizen can get to the office of the President. But when it comes to the issue of God, sinful mankind thought it is just easy to remove the blemish Adamic sin brought on them, and they feel like ignoring all the protocols that's due before dealing directly with the Most high God who is HOLY ~ PURE!
Well no wonder Jehovah's organization arranged for a study program to know all these necessary things before one is baptised into the fold!

Well, all those protocols are exactly what Jesus came to do away with, so that all mankind can have direct access to God through Jesus

@budaatum.
Atheists are also worshipers of that false Jesus who will accept you as long as each person develop his/her own mindset. So instead of agreeing on principles they'll preder arguing for the fun of it.
Take note of human governments, they can argue for months over issues like same sex marriage but there is no regard for God's word on the issue!
That is how Satan wants people to view Jesus as well,so they'll claim born again but different opinion on serious and sensitive issues!
So real Jesus is not like that, he said whatever his followers bind or loosen on earth will be granted just like that in heaven. Don't think each person will start binding independently on his/her own in Jesus name!
This means they must be united in thoughts before they can do such in the name of their King Jesus!

rottennaija:
Well, all those protocols are exactly what Jesus came to do away with, so that all mankind can have direct access to God through Jesus

YES! But that is after the end of Jesus' 1,000 years reign with his 144,000 anointed brothers.
That's why John said 'the rest of the dead were NOT alive until the end of the 1,000 years!' Revelations 20:5
It simply mean only the 144,000 are alive to God as the covenant gave them direct access NOT the rest of mankind! Revelation 14:1-6
The preaching and teaching program is to help the rest of mankind know all what it takes to relate DIRECTLY with God!
Our training will take a thousand years before we can reach that stage NOT now, for now only the anointed ones are free from further training because God chose them directly with his spirit! Isaiah 65:23,24