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Jozzy4:
Am glad we agree on one thing. In quote " Members of the new covenant are a Royal priesthood " . this hope is reserved for them in the heavens , as they shall be kings priest over the earth .

In line with the quoted words, Explain to me how Those who will be on earth whom ARE NOT Kings and Priest are part of New covenant ?

Just tell me, WHO are the THOSE who will be on EARTH?

Jozzy4, I thought you were not online, are you running from these questions? Are they had to answer or should I spare you?

Just say the word and I'll stop asking. But for the benefit of doubt, I'm going to ask again. See below

rottennaija:
2. Did the paragraph or the whole article mention that Paul's warning was to the other sheep? Infact, is there any watchtower publications that says Paul was warning people not to partake of the emblem?
3. Do you see anywhere in the article or anywhere in watchtower publications where it is said that the other sheep gathered in the first-century?
4. The paragraph mentioned that the heavenly calling began after Jesus death and resurrection. Other watchtower articles mention 33 CE. So, When did the calling of the other sheep begins?

Jozzy4:
Just as you showcased your ignorance the other time, asking sons of anointed . we are discussing " New Covenant " and the promise to be Kings and Priest .

Explain to me how those who are not part of the royal priesthood are members of new covenant for Kings ?

It's really interesting listening to a debate,but it's become a stupid repetition when you're discussing with a person whose mind is made up on declaring white as blue despite knowing that everyone can SEE the colours for themselves!
I now understand why the GB said it's pointless discussing with Apostates because they've made their minds over to resist the TRUTH and no amount of debate can revive their dying conscience!
Nigeria is my country and we all do recite national anthem and the pledge unaware of it's implications, but it is ONLY those SWORN in to public offices that are part of the government when over 200,000,000 others are subjects of that government. I wonder how a right thinking person could be arguing that a tailor or barber or plumber or bricklayer or doctor or teacher is part of the ruling team when none of these professionals were sworn in before they must do their job!

Jozzy4:
Annointed can partake unworthily . Jesus already make mention of other sheep, they may be there or not. So " Seems " was used .

Ok. You have agreed that anointed could partake unworthily. Watchtower says seems all in the first century were anointed Christians. That's has always been watchtower position.

Other watchtower articles has been quite definitive on the subject that only anointed Christians were in the first century. None has ever said other gathering ever happened in the first century, because it would be difficult to support such a position.

Now, my question based on the above is, was Paul's counsel to not take the emblems unworthily in 1 Co 11:27 given because of the so-called other sheep or could it have been because of the attitude of the first century Christian in Corinth?

Maximus69:
It's really interesting listening to a debate,but it's become a stupid repetition when you're discussing with a person whose mind is made up on declaring white as blue despite knowing that everyone can SEE the colours for themselves!
I now understand why the GB said it's pointless discussing with Apostates because they've made their minds over to resist the TRUTH and no amount of debate can revive their dying conscience!
Nigeria is my country and we all do recite national anthem and the pledge unaware of it's implications, but it is ONLY those SWORN in to public offices that are part of the government when over 200,000,000 others are subjects of that government. I wonder how a right thinking person could be arguing that a tailor or barber or plumber or bricklayer or doctor or teacher is part of the ruling team when none of these professionals were sworn in before they must do their job!

Good to have you back, equally good that Jehovah' is not running his govt like Nigeria neither is he running democracy. Speaking of professionals and not, Are you the tailor, traders, barber, plumber, bricklayers? Is God's law written in your heart? Does someone need to tell you to know Jehovah?

Maximus69:
It's really interesting listening to a debate,but it's become a stupid repetition when you're discussing with a person whose mind is made up on declaring white as blue despite knowing that everyone can SEE the colours for themselves!
I now understand why the GB said it's pointless discussing with Apostates because they've made their minds over to resist the TRUTH and no amount of debate can revive their dying conscience!
Nigeria is my country and we all do recite national anthem and the pledge unaware of it's implications, but it is ONLY those SWORN in to public offices that are part of the government when over 200,000,000 others are subjects of that government. I wonder how a right thinking person could be arguing that a tailor or barber or plumber or bricklayer or doctor or teacher is part of the ruling team when none of these professionals were sworn in before they must do their job!

Maximus69: It's really interesting listening to a debate,

Achorladey: Hahahaha wetin we no go hear from Una, the debate is getting INTERESTING INDEED. Don't come back and say the GB said we should not be involved in ARGUMENTS.

Maximus69: but it's become a stupid repetition when you're discussing with a person whose mind is made up on declaring white as blue despite knowing that everyone can SEE the colours for themselves!

Achorladey: This part of your post got me laughing.....

declaring white as BLUE despite knowing that EVERYONE can SEE the COLOURS for THEMSELVES!

It's on record a D.O of the organization you are soon to be a member of was CAUGHT in this act you ACCUSE us of. Just you are becoming a MASTER of it as well. That's why your friend is RESTRICTING the one and only NEW COVENANT to the 144,000 alone. rottennaija has provided his own formula concerning the new covenant he Jozzy4 is yet to provide his own formula.

the organization you are soon to be a member of and the GB are the masters of it. The reason they frown at INDEPENDENT THINKING and tagged it DANGEROUS.

Maximus69: I now understand why the GB said it's pointless discussing with Apostates because they've made their minds over to resist the TRUTH and no amount of debate can revive their dying conscience!

Achorladey: Did I see you TYPE APOSTATES. Oh I remember APOSTATES based on the theology dictionary of JWS. Please do tell us how our CONSCIENCE ARE DYING and the measures you have used to ascertain it?

Regarding the truth such as OUR SALVATION is dependent on LISTENING and OBEYING the faithful and discreet slaves or the governing body of JWS. I hear you.

Or the 144,000 are our MEDIATORS when we have only one MEDIATOR between GOD and men. I hear you.

Maximus69: Nigeria is my country and we all do recite national anthem and the pledge unaware of it's implications, but it is ONLY those SWORN in to public offices that are part of the government when over 200,000,000 others are subjects of that government.

Achorladey: You have started with this your analogy again that after breaking it down for you, you will equally cook another one that doesn't fit again.


Maximus69: I wonder how a right thinking person could be arguing that a tailor or barber or plumber or bricklayer or doctor or teacher is part of the ruling team when none of these professionals were sworn in before they must do their job!

Achorladey: Coming from the hands and words of a MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. You are the INTELLIGENCE officer here, it's just that the way you have discussed on this platform repeatedly brings your INTELLIGENCE under SCRUTINY and it leaves less to desire.

Maximus69:
It's really interesting listening to a debate,but it's become a stupid repetition when you're discussing with a person whose mind is made up on declaring white as blue despite knowing that everyone can SEE the colours for themselves!

I now understand why the GB said it's pointless discussing with Apostates because they've made their minds over to resist the TRUTH and no amount of debate can revive their dying conscience!
Nigeria is my country and we all do recite national anthem and the pledge unaware of it's implications, but it is ONLY those SWORN in to public offices that are part of the government when over 200,000,000 others are subjects of that government. I wonder how a right thinking person could be arguing that a tailor or barber or plumber or bricklayer or doctor or teacher is part of the ruling team when none of these professionals were sworn in before they must do their job!

I quite understand the frustration of seeing someone who sees blue and calls it black. It's an age long problem, governments, cultures, institutions and organizations does it, especially religious organizations.

In Crisis of Conscience, page 345, an experience of a District overseer, Bart Thompson, in a meeting for elders during a circuit assembly in Alabama. The District Overseer, held up a Society publication that had a green cover. He then said to the elders, “If the Society told me that this book is black instead of green, I would say, ‘Y’know I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society says it’s black, then it’s black!’” (see the attached image)

Others have used similar illustrations. For example, there is motto among Jehovah's Witnesses that goes like this... "when the organization says jump, your only question is, how high"...., "when the organization says run, your only question is, how far". I personally have heard a circuit overseer use it before. So, I quite personally understand the frustration of seeing black turn to white and vice versa.

I would have thought that such a blatant advocating of blind credulity, a statement so utterly devoid of intelligence, would soon have disappeared, recognized for what it was and dying from its own stupidity.

Back in the year 1541, in his writing Exercitia spirituali, the founder of the Jesuit order, Ignatuius Loyola, wrote: "We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides."


Today, few Catholics would agree with Loyola, yet these words describe the precise mentality developed among many, if not most, of Jehovah’s Witnesses, particularly among its traveling overseers. Those who question the truthfulness and Scripturalness of certain teachings, the cliché‚ used in reply by some of these men is, “I would rather be wrong with the organization than be right and be alone.”

Take heart, we have labor to show you the gospel as left by the apostles, but of course, you have turn to a different sort of good news taught by the GB which tickles your ears. But we are undeterred, even if it means saving some.

Maximus69, Jozzy4, TATIME, Jessicha, Janosky

rottennaija:
Good to have you back, equally good that Jehovah' is not running his govt like Nigeria neither is he running democracy. Speaking of professionals and not, Are you the tailor, traders, barber, plumber, bricklayers? Is God's law written in your heart? Does someone need to tell you to know Jehovah?

The questions will never come to a finish, so keep asking so that those who feels you're relevant will continue attending to you!
It's clear your questions have been answered adequately, you just want to remain relevant so it's OK!

Maximus69:
The questions will never come to a finish, so keep asking so that those who feels you're relevant will continue attending to you!
It's clear your questions have been answered adequately, you just want to remain relevant so it's OK!

Mr. Military Intelligence officer, that's how you would run from my door if you were house to house. Questions can reveal the shallowness of your ability to think

achorladey:
Just tell me, WHO are the THOSE who will be on EARTH?

achorladey

Jessicha: Who are the " WE" that's looking forward to a new earth as well? Christians.

Achorladey: Fine answer to your own QUESTION.

If they are Christians , and they will be on earth , does that not exclude them from Royal priesthood ?

achorladey:
The thread is not closed yet and let the interesting thread keep it flow don't divert it with YOUR BEEN EXPOSED.

Concerning being EXPOSED, what is CHRIST MEDIATORSHIP based upon? 1 Timothy 2:15.

A. No COVENANT just mediating.
B. On NEW COVENANT with better promises.
C. OLD COVENANT.

A and B.

Different .

One is for ALL men

The other Is for " those who have been called " Heb 9:15

rottennaija:
Jozzy4, I am sensible enough to understand the context of your quotations. But you were not sensible enough to understand the follow up questions, which you created avenue for. I understand that you wanted to avoid the contraction of Kings also being kingdoms, but you lack sense when you said kings can also be kingdoms when you referred to 1 Ki 11:1 which obviously referred to the royal line. It's you who created your problems not me. I am just trying to understand every facet of this new lights.

Now, I am asking you, who are the children of these 144000 kings? Their royal line or kingdom?

No one lacks sense , if you can't comprehend its a different ball game . the verse 1 says seed of the kingdom . who is represented as Kingdom ?

Verse 2 clarified ' sons of THE KING who were to be put to death "

Its clear its the King that was represented as Kingdom . in the statement seed of the kingdom.

That's my point

rottennaija:
First and foremost, the context of my question was about seed. Probably the use of children carries a wrong signal in your head.

Secondly, it's you and your kind who brings promise of kings and priest to the new covenant. I had explained to your friends earlier in the thread that the new covenant was made for the forgiveness of sins, where Jesus explicitly said in Luke 22:20 " This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you—an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.


We have always said the new covenant was made for the forgiveness of sins. This Jesus confirms while fulfilling the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:33

"But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day," says the Lord. "I will put my laws in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their family, saying, 'You should know the Lord.' For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will already know me," says the Lord. "And I will forgive their wickedness and will never again remember their sins."

It was our position that the new covenant was designed for the forgiveness of sins, having God's law written in our heart, now obeying the mosaic laws etc (I'm working on an article on it and will post it soon)

Not just forgiveness of sins. U have a long way to go with this mentality


" That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgression under the former covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance" Heb 9;15

Explaining this inheritance further , 1 Pet 1:4 states " it is reserved in the heavens for you " , 2:9 says they are Royal Priesthood.

So this is why New Covenant was formed. So that those called can receive this inheritance and rule as Kings and priest to restore Gods original purposes.

Jozzy4:
Not just forgiveness of sins. U have a long way to go with this mentality


" That is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that because a death has occurred for their
release by ransom from the transgression under the former covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance" Heb 9;15

Explaining this inheritance further , 1 Pet 1:4 states " it is reserved in the heavens for you " , 2:9 says they are Royal Priesthood.

So this is why New Covenant was formed. So that those called can receive this inheritance and rule as Kings and priest to restore Gods original purposes.

Your first sentence say, not just forgiveness of sins. With the expression, not just, do you mean forgiveness of sins is included?

Secondly, you quoted Heb 9:15, what is "the release by ransom of transgression under the former covenant" ? Isn't that forgiveness of sins? Isn't that why the former covenant was made obsolete? Because it couldn't lead to forgiveness of sins permanently and require frequent animal sacrifice?

Now, if you observe, me and Achorladey has always maintained that the bases for the new covenant has been the forgiveness of sins. Without the forgiveness of sins, no one is called and cannot receive any inheritance anywhere. We have not said anything about whether inheritance will be heavenly or earthly, whether all true Christians will be in heaven or earth.

It's only the new covenant we have been talking about and that the very reason it was given was for the forgiveness of sins! Then we mentioned other aspects of the new covenant for example God's word written in our hearts, no one saying know Jehovah, and though we have not really spoken about it, the promise a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is also included in the new covenant promises but not just that.

Moreover, the promise of a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is a carryover promise from the old covenant. God has promise them that if their kept his mosaic law covenant, he would make them (entire nation of Israel numbering into millions and their descendants) a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

Exodus 19:5 Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the nations of the earth; for all the earth belongs to me.
Exodus 19:6 And you will be to me a kingdom of priests, my holy nation.' Give this message to the Israelites."

We did not include those aspects of the old covenant or mention them in the new covenant. What we needed to establish was that the very bases why the new covenant came into force was for the forgiveness of sins by Jesus shed blood. Other promises follow.

It seems it not just me that has a long way to go, I agree, I have a long way to go. I study and research daily. But it probably seems you have a long way to go. It's there in the very verse of Heb 9:15 you quoted but you simply couldn't see it. I'm not going to say you refused to, I know it use to happen to me, you will see something in the very verse you carry and you simply tune off your mind because it's not your doctrine.

See Hebrews 9:15 in another translation:
That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

rottennaija:
Your first sentence say, not just forgiveness of sins. With the expression, not just, do you mean forgiveness of sins is included?

Secondly, you quoted Heb 9:15, what is the release by ransom of transgression under the former covenant? Isn't that forgiveness of sins? Isn't that why the former covenant was made obsolete? Because it couldn't lead to forgiveness of sins permanently and require frequent animal sacrifice?

Now, if you observe, me and Achorladey has always day that the bases for the new covenant has been the forgiveness of sins. Without the forgiveness of sins, anyone called cannot receive any inheritance anywhere. We have not said anything about whether inheritance will be heavenly or earthly, whether all true Christians will be in heaven or earth.

It's only the new covenant we have been talking about and that the very reason it was given was for the forgiveness of sins! Then we mentioned other aspects of the new covenant too eg. God's word written in our hearts, no one saying know Jehovah, and though we have not really spoken about it, the promise a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is also included in the new covenant promises. but not just that

Moreover, the promise of a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is a carryover promise from the old covenant. God has promise them that if their kept his mosaic law covenant, he would make them (entire nation of Israel numbering into millions and their descendants) a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

Exodus 19:5 Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the nations of the earth; for all the earth belongs to me.
Exodus 19:6 And you will be to me a kingdom of priests, my holy nation.' Give this message to the Israelites."

We did not include those aspects of the old covenant or mention them in the new covenant. What we needed to establish was that the very bases why the new covenant came into force was for the forgiveness of sins by Jesus shed blood. Other promises follow.

It seems it not just me that has a long way to go, it probably seems you have a long way to go. It's there in the very verse of Heb 9:15 you quoted but you simply couldn't see it. I'm not going to say you refused to, I know it use to happen to me, you will see something in the very verse you carry and you simply tune off your mind because it's not your doctrine.

See Hebrews 9:15 in another translation:
That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

give me space to laugh

Jozzy4:
give me space to laugh

Use this one

rottennaija:
Your first sentence say, not just forgiveness of sins. With the expression, not just, do you mean forgiveness of sins is included?

Secondly, you quoted Heb 9:15, what is the release by ransom of transgression under the former covenant? Isn't that forgiveness of sins? Isn't that why the former covenant was made obsolete? Because it couldn't lead to forgiveness of sins permanently and require frequent animal sacrifice?

Now, if you observe, me and Achorladey has always day that the bases for the new covenant has been the forgiveness of sins. Without the forgiveness of sins, anyone called cannot receive any inheritance anywhere. We have not said anything about whether inheritance will be heavenly or earthly, whether all true Christians will be in heaven or earth.

It's only the new covenant we have been talking about and that the very reason it was given was for the forgiveness of sins! Then we mentioned other aspects of the new covenant too eg. God's word written in our hearts, no one saying know Jehovah, and though we have not really spoken about it, the promise a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is also included in the new covenant promises but not just that.

Moreover, the promise of a kingdom of priests and a holy nation is a carryover promise from the old covenant. God has promise them that if their kept his mosaic law covenant, he would make them (entire nation of Israel numbering into millions and their descendants) a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

Exodus 19:5 Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the nations of the earth; for all the earth belongs to me.
Exodus 19:6 And you will be to me a kingdom of priests, my holy nation.' Give this message to the Israelites."

We did not include those aspects of the old covenant or mention them in the new covenant. What we needed to establish was that the very bases why the new covenant came into force was for the forgiveness of sins by Jesus shed blood. Other promises follow.

It seems it not just me that has a long way to go, it probably seems you have a long way to go. It's there in the very verse of Heb 9:15 you quoted but you simply couldn't see it. I'm not going to say you refused to, I know it use to happen to me, you will see something in the very verse you carry and you simply tune off your mind because it's not your doctrine.

See Hebrews 9:15 in another translation:
That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people , so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

Only those INVITED . John 3:8 . heavenly invitation - Heb 3:1 .

Not all men.

Let me laugh

Jozzy4:
Only those INVITED . John 3:8 . heavenly invitation - Heb 3:1 .

Not all men.

Let me laugh

Why don't you simply write your own Bible? So you can include what you want and remove those you don't

rottennaija:
Why don't you simply write your own Bible? Do you can include what you want and remove those you don't

O , boy

rottennaija:
I quite understand the frustration of seeing someone who sees blue and calls it black. It's an age long problem, governments, cultures, institutions and organizations does it, especially religious organizations.

In Crisis of Conscience, page 345, an experience of a District overseer, Bart Thompson, in a meeting for elders during a circuit assembly in Alabama. The District Overseer, held up a Society publication that had a green cover. He then said to the elders, “If the Society told me that this book is black instead of green, I would say, ‘Y’know I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society says it’s black, then it’s black!’” (see the attached image)

Others have used similar illustrations. For example, there is motto among Jehovah's Witnesses that goes like this... "when the organization says jump, your only question is, how high"...., "when the organization says run, your only question is, how far". I personally have heard a circuit overseer use it before. So, I quite personally understand the frustration of seeing black turn to white and vice versa.

I would have thought that such a blatant advocating of blind credulity, a statement so utterly devoid of intelligence, would soon have disappeared, recognized for what it was and dying from its own stupidity.

Back in the year 1541, in his writing Exercitia spirituali, the founder of the Jesuit order, Ignatuius Loyola, wrote: "We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides."


Today, few Catholics would agree with Loyola, yet these words describe the precise mentality developed among many, if not most, of Jehovah’s Witnesses, particularly among its traveling overseers. Those who question the truthfulness and Scripturalness of certain teachings, the cliché‚ used in reply by some of these men is, “I would rather be wrong with the organization than be right and be alone.”

Take heart, we have labor to show you the gospel as left by the apostles, but of course, you have turn to a different sort of good news taught by the GB which tickles your ears. But we are undeterred, even if it means saving some.

Maximus69, Jozzy4, TATIME, Jessicha, Janosky

In the book titled 1984 you and budaatum advised me to read contains this statement......

"THE PARTY told you to REJECT the EVIDENCE of your EYES and EARS. It was there FINAL and MOST ESSENTIAL COMMAND"

What does this mean in essence, it means a LOYAL WILLINGNESS to say that BLACK is WHITE when PARTY DISCIPLINE demand this up to the till the EXTENT of even saying you have NEVER BELIEVED that BLACK is BLACK.

Jozzy4:
If they are Christians , and they will be on earth , does that not exclude them from Royal priesthood ?

The ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is for CHRISTIANS.

The ONE and ONLY COVENANT carries a PROMISE for CHRISTIANS.

There is only ONE HOPE of YOUR CALLING for CHRISTIANS. Ephesians 4:4.

HOPE is based on PROMISE.

The PROMISE that comes alongside the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is to become SONS of the KING and the HIGH PRIEST. In ESSENCE ROYALS.


Ephesians 2:6 Moreover, he RAISED US UP together and SEATED us TOGETHER in the HEAVENLY places in union with Christ Jesus.

SEATED written in the past.


Ephesians 2: 12-14 At that time you were without Christ, alienated from the state of ISRAEL, strangers to the COVENANTS of the PROMISE; you had no HOPE and were without GOD in the world. 13 But now in UNION with CHRIST JESUS, you who were ONCE FAR OFF have come to be near by the BLOOD of the CHRIST. 14 For he is our peace, the one who made the TWO GROUPS one and DESTROYED the wall in BETWEEN that FENCED THEM OFF( should in case you want to BRING your 144,000 and great crowd of "OTHER SHEEP" in or ONLY THOSE INVITED palaver.


See this below as well.....1 Corinthians 10:.16-18
 Is not the cup of blessing that we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread that we break a sharing in the body of Christ?17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all share the one bread. 18 Look at the people of Israel. Are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar?


Revelation 1: 5,6.....and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he MADE us to be a KINGDOM, PRIESTS to his GOD and FATHER—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

another past tense in the use of MADE


1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

CHOSEN another past tense used

Indeed those who Christ mediate the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT are made ROYALS irrespective of their DESTINATION in future which Christ told his disciples he is coming back to take them there.

In summary John 1:12
However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become GOD’S CHILDREN, because they were exercising faith in his name.

Son of a King/priest does that not tell you they are ROYALS? So it's not until they RULE over someone there status as ROYAL takes EFFECT it's part of what the one and only new COVENANT carries.


The reason Galatians 3: 26 You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: 29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, HEIRS with REFERENCE to a PROMISE.

rottennaija:
Why don't you simply write your own Bible? Do you can include what you want and remove those you don't

I hope he get the meaning of what you type as it relates to the SCRIPTURE he CITED.

achorladey:
The ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is for CHRISTIANS.

The ONE and ONLY COVENANT carries a PROMISE for CHRISTIANS.

There is only ONE HOPE of YOUR CALLING for CHRISTIANS. Ephesians 4:4.

HOPE is based on PROMISE.

The PROMISE that comes alongside the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is to become SONS of the KING and the HIGH PRIEST. In ESSENCE ROYALS.


Ephesians 2:6 Moreover, he RAISED US UP together and SEATED us TOGETHER in the HEAVENLY places in union with Christ Jesus.

SEATED written in the past.


Ephesians 2: 12-14 At that time you were without Christ, alienated from the state of ISRAEL, strangers to the COVENANTS of the PROMISE; you had no HOPE and were without GOD in the world. 13 But now in UNION with CHRIST JESUS, you who were ONCE FAR OFF have come to be near by the BLOOD of the CHRIST. 14 For he is our peace, the one who made the TWO GROUPS one and DESTROYED the wall in BETWEEN that FENCED THEM OFF( should in case you want to BRING your 144,000 and great crowd of "OTHER SHEEP" in or ONLY THOSE INVITED palaver.


See this below as well.....1 Corinthians 10:.16-18
 Is not the cup of blessing that we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread that we break a sharing in the body of Christ?17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all share the one bread. 18 Look at the people of Israel. Are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar?


Revelation 1: 5,6.....and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he MADE us to be a KINGDOM, PRIESTS to his GOD and FATHER—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

another past tense in the use of MADE


1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

CHOSEN another past tense used

Indeed those who Christ mediate the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT are made ROYALS irrespective of their DESTINATION in future which Christ told his disciples he is coming back to take them there.

In summary John 1:12
However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become GOD’S CHILDREN, because they were exercising faith in his name.

Son of a King/priest does that not tell you they are ROYALS? [b] So it's not until they RULE over someone there status as ROYAL takes EFFECT it's part of what the one and only new COVENANT carries.


The reason Galatians 3: 26 You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: 29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, HEIRS with REFERENCE to a PROMISE.

Dem don brainwash this guy die

achorladey:
The ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is for CHRISTIANS.

The ONE and ONLY COVENANT carries a PROMISE for CHRISTIANS.

There is only ONE HOPE of YOUR CALLING for CHRISTIANS. Ephesians 4:4.

Titus 1:2 " HOPE of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago "

That's the one HOPE everyone is called either in the new heaven or new earth .

HOPE is based on PROMISE.

The PROMISE that comes alongside the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is to become SONS of the KING and the HIGH PRIEST. In ESSENCE ROYALS.


Ephesians 2:6 Moreover, he RAISED US UP together and SEATED us TOGETHER in the HEAVENLY places in union with Christ Jesus.

SEATED written in the past.


Ephesians 2: 12-14 At that time you were without Christ, alienated from the state of ISRAEL, strangers to the COVENANTS of the PROMISE; you had no HOPE and were without GOD in the world. 13 But now in UNION with CHRIST JESUS, you who were ONCE FAR OFF have come to be near by the BLOOD of the CHRIST. 14 For he is our peace, the one who made the TWO GROUPS one and DESTROYED the wall in BETWEEN that FENCED THEM OFF( should in case you want to BRING your 144,000 and great crowd of "OTHER SHEEP" in or ONLY THOSE INVITED palaver.


See this below as well.....1 Corinthians 10:.16-18
 Is not the cup of blessing that we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread that we break a sharing in the body of Christ?17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all share the one bread. 18 Look at the people of Israel. Are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar?


Revelation 1: 5,6.....and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he MADE us to be a KINGDOM, PRIESTS to his GOD and FATHER—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

another past tense in the use of MADE


1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

CHOSEN another past tense used

Indeed those who Christ mediate the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT are made ROYALS irrespective of their DESTINATION in future which Christ told his disciples he is coming back to take them there.

In summary John 1:12
However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become GOD’S CHILDREN, because they were exercising faith in his name.

Son of a King/priest does that not tell you they are ROYALS? So it's not until they RULE over someone there status as ROYAL takes EFFECT it's part of what the one and only new COVENANT carries.


The reason Galatians 3: 26 You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: 29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, HEIRS with REFERENCE to a PROMISE

Discussing this inheritance for INVITED members of New Covenant, Peter said " it is RESERVED in the heavens for you " .

When something is reserved, its yet to be revealed fully.

Rev 5:9,10 should open your dull eyes to the fact that this invited ones will RULE over Earth .

achorladey:
I hope he get the meaning of what you type as it relates to the SCRIPTURE he CITED.

He does. They all see it. Simply that their mind switches off whenever subjects that is not in their doctrine is discussed. I believe you have had the experience before and know how it was. It's like a veil is put over their face.

Jozzy4:
Dem don brainwash this guy die

The same can go for you. The most brainwash aren't aware they are

Jozzy4:
Dem don brainwash this guy die

Hahahahaha! you must create one diversion or the other. As to who has been BRAINWASHED we will discover soon.

achorladey:
I hope he get the meaning of what you type as it relates to the SCRIPTURE he CITED.

Achorladey

Check the blog below. I was just thinking, why doesn't watchtower simply admits that their doctrine on the other sheep, born again, memorial emblems etc has been a tragic misunderstanding from the beginning and simply correct them completely? What do they gain from this twist and turn? So, now, they also apply the adoption as sons to the so-called other sheep but only after 1000 years? Is this how to be faith and discreet to God and his son?

And witnesses will follow them without seeing the subtle signs? Eventually they will start applying scriptures like 1jn 5:1, born again, eating the emblem to the so-called other sheep. Already! What is left? Are they not adopted as sons? Smh

http://www.docbob.org/wordpress/our-adoption/

Jozzy4:
Titus 1:2 " HOPE of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago "

That's the one HOPE everyone is called either in the new heaven or new earth .


Discussing this inheritance for INVITED members of New Covenant, Peter said " it is RESERVED in the heavens for you " .

When something is reserved, its yet to be revealed fully.

Rev 5:9,10 should open your dull eyes to the fact that this invited ones will RULE over Earth .

Jozzy4: Titus 1:2 " HOPE of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago "

Achorladey: This is Titus 1:1-2 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of GOD’S CHOSEN ONES and the accurate knowledge of the truth that is according to godly devotion 2 and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago;

You can CLEARLY see GOD'S CHOSEN ONES,

were we to go in line with JWS THEOLOGY as it relates with PAUL'S statement in verse 1 of Titus 1 regarding GOD'S CHOSEN ONES it will simply means from the JW theology the promise of EVERLASTING LIFE is only for the 144,000 but here you are trying to tell us the PROMISE which this HOPE is based stated here is for EVERYONE when you can equally see the same CHOSEN in 1 Peter 2: 9 used here.


Hahahahaha!. Does that not send a message to you concerning the HOPE all CHRISTIANS have?


Jozzy4: That's the one HOPE everyone is called either in the new heaven or new earth.

Achorladey: the GIFT of EVERLASTING LIFE is already in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT. Romans 6:23.

Jozzy4: Discussing this inheritance for INVITED members of New Covenant, Peter said " it is RESERVED in the heavens for you ".

Achorladey: please do tell us WHO are INVITED and those not INVITED?

Take a look at the scriptures below and see how your RESERVED know HEAVEN applies....

Colossians 1: 3-5 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love you have for all the holy ones 5 because of the hope that is being RESERVED for YOU in the HEAVENS. You previously heard about this hope through the message of truth of the good news.

2 Timothy 4:8.From this time on, there is RESERVED for ME the of RIGHTEOUSNESS, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a REWARD in that day, yet not to ME ONLY, but also TO ALL THOSE who have LOVED HIS MANIFESTATION

1 Peter 1:3,4: Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a NEW BIRTH to a living HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is RESERVED in the HEAVENS for you,

Hebrews 11: 6. Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the REWARDER of those EARNESTLY SEEKING HIM.

Matthew 5: 11,12 “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your REWARD is great in the HEAVENS, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.

When REWARD is said to be RESERVED in HEAVEN it means it's SOURCE of ORIGIN is from THERE. Therefore this question

DOES it MEAN we have to go there to get it?

Jozzy4: When something is reserved, its yet to be revealed fully.

Achorladey: Really? here is RESERVED according to Webster.....

KEPT or SET apart or ASIDE for FUTURE or SPECIAL USE.

Does it mean it has not been REVEALED?

Oga Jozzy4 I go like make use of your dictionary.

it is not fully REVEALED yet you know that they are KINGS and PRIESTS, is that not part of what is REVEALED?

It has not BEEN REVEALED the writers make use of APPOINTED, CHOSEN, MADE, SEATED e. t. c when writing all of these?

Jozzy4: Rev 5:9,10 should open your dull eyes to the fact that this invited ones will RULE over Earth

Achorladey: My eyes are widely open and I don't use aid when reading. Don't know about you though.

This is Revelation 5:9,10

They were singing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your OWN BLOOD you HAVE PURCHASED for God PERSONS from EVERY TRIBE, LANGUAGE, PEOPLE, and NATION. 10 You have APPOINTED them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”




Show me the INVITED ONES in the scriptures CITED?

rottennaija:
Achorladey

Check the blog below. I was just thinking, why doesn't watchtower simply admits that their doctrine on the other sheep, born again, memorial emblems etc has been a tragic misunderstanding from the beginning and simply correct them completely? What do they gain from this twist and turn? So, now, they also apply the adoption as sons to the so-called other sheep but only after 1000 years? Is this how to be faith and discreet to God and his son?

And witnesses will follow them without seeing the subtle signs? Eventually they will start applying scriptures like 1jn 5:1, born again, eating the emblem to the so-called other sheep. Already! What is left? Are they not adopted as sons? Smh

http://www.docbob.org/wordpress/our-adoption/

Will check through and digest accordingly.

rottennaija:
Mr. Military Intelligence officer, that's how you would run from my door if you were house to house. Questions can reveal the shallowness of your ability to think

Hmmm,
Ability to think
Well if you've gotten that i think you're more than self sufficient so that you'll be out there helping those who feels the need to share in your knowledge and ability.
NOT just arguing to prove the shallowness of the ability of your Papa and Mama to use their brains!
Yet they're the very ones who discovered the JW as the one and only group practicing pure worship.
Why not first present a better performing group so that people can see the difference instead of parading your Papa and Mama as fools, whereas there is no better group elsewhere!