Agrogbeide:
Like I said earlier, there are many Bible passages that can be use to verify that the Lord Jesus Christ is the same as God or the Lord Jesus Christ is not the same as God the father. A good and proper understanding is required to balance the two claims in order to arrive at the truth.
Another clue;
MAN has a Spirit, Soul and Body, he is not one of them but has each of them which together makes him a Man. Without one there won't be others and as a result all must be present same time whether Man is active or asleep.
If we understand the clue above we can be able to see some lights.

Your analysis is completely erroneous. If you cannot speak from scripture then you lie. There is no truth besides the already laid foundation. Pray for revelation instead of arguing, or rather wait on God until He decides to show you these things.

herlecks:
Your analysis is completely erroneous. If you cannot speak from scripture then you lie. There is no truth besides the already laid foundation. Pray for revelation instead of arguing, or rather wait on God until He decides to show you these things.

I have not even come inside the scene and you have started shivering. Which foundation has been laid? Where did you find me arguing in my post? You are the one that needs to wait for God for revelation because the present revelation you find solace is about to be remove. But the question is are you ready to UNLEARN, RELEARN OR LEARN?

herlecks:
If you read the OP carefully you wouuldn't draw me back again.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Isce:


Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Yea. The spirit of our Lord Jesus in His humanity is the Word or Son of God, the Spirit in His divine spirit is the Holy Ghost, and the Father lives in Him through the Holy Ghost. There is no Trinity here. His Father lives in Him through the Holy Spirit as Jesus and His Father lives in us today also through the Holy Ghost. The Godhead includes the Father and the Son, however the Father living in the Son through the Holy Spirit is the fullness of the godhead in Jesus Christ. We must differentiate between the Presence and the Person of God here as to not fall into grave error, God's Person or the Father remains in heaven, His Presence is everywhere, He even puts His presence in us by His Spirit, as His presence was in Jesus by His Spirit. The Son came from the Father Who is the Source of all things, this is why the Father wants to adopt more Sons into the Family but through His only Begotten Son. Even this does not equate the Father with the Son, for the Son shall be subject unto the Father (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). If Jesus calls His Father, "my God, my God," can He be His God if they were equal? We must take heed to interpret the words of our Lord to mean what He is saying and not explain it away, as twisting God's word could bring upon us a curse.

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1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

Isce:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

Yea. You will look and look and not see, you will listen and listen and not hear, until you humble your heart and mind before God, praying for revelation from Him. But be careful not to criticise these things I have written here, for if they are truly from God then you put yourself in trouble. Thanks.

2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight

This why Christianity is different. This is not the God you can build or study. That is why you are man and God is God

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Isce:
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight

This why Christianity is different. This is not the God you can build or study. That is why you are man and God is God

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Brother, go and sit down with the scripture and study more. Not everyone should teach.

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

The word of God is God himself,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Believe them as you receive them, don't add man philosophy to it.


1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

Isce:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

That last line made my day.... Loooooool

UceeGod:


All you've succeeded in doing is to contradict yourself, unless if you really mean there are two Gods (which is impossible). The whole of the Bible is replete with evidence that Jesus Christ is the same God(Yahweh) of the old testament, who manifested in different forms to the Jewish people at different times before the incarnation at Bethlehem just over 2000 years ago. He is the same Holy Spirit manifesting in the lives of everyone who believes in Him from the day of Pentecost till date.

Receive sense in Jesus name! how on earth will u say Jesus Christ is d same God in the old testament & still holly spirit?
Don't u read clearly that Jesus himself said he has someone superior to him! the one who sent him forth?

Isce:
The word of God is God himself,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Believe them as you receive them, don't add man philosophy to it.


1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

"The Word was (a) God" is also accurate. Ensure to confirm these things for they were interpreted from Greek. Go online, get your encyclopedia and dig for these things. Don't argue with limited knowledge, it proves ignorance.

Which script of historical Bible document was (a) God gotten from?,

Jesus is the Word of God.

The Word of God is God just as the Spirit of God is God.
But there is one God.

connect the dot together and you have the answer.

God is a trinue being meaning God is exist as three separate persons or individuals.

some may ask why did Jesus say the father is superior to him?

the bible has all the answer,

Philippians said that Jesus lowered himself to become a servant and a human being in order to fulfill God's requirement for man's salvation.
Hebrews even said Jesus was a little less than the angel when he came to this earth.

this explains why Jesus said he is less than the father. this is due to his nature as the son of man and also explains why Jesus said call no man Good or that no man knows the day of his coming.

it explains many things written in the gospels and the epistles.

the fact that Jesus is God is well taught in the bible.

Know this

Do some studies on these verses with different bible translations above and think

Beware

Why are they removing it, study to know what Satan wants to bide from you

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So more

Isce:
Which script of historical Bible document was (a) God gotten from?,

Shows you are a wack Bible student, Act 28:6 in nearly every bible translated Theo's as " a god " . any issue ? If you can't fault that. U have no right to criticise .

Isce:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

Answer this question truthfully : Did Jesus have a God superior to him ?

solite3:
John 1:1 already settle the score. Jesus is God

Even humans are called GODS .

The issue here is : is Jesus the supreme being ? Does he have a God superior to him ?

herlecks:
Worship of The False Jesus of The Trinity


We must make a point clear about the Lord Jesus before we proceed, that He is not the second person of the Trinity nor is the Father the first person, nowhere was He called a second person of trinity in scripture, and that the Trinity doctrine does not originate from God. The religious people of the world believes the Lord Jesus to be equal with the Father. Their unfruitful argument is crushed when we look into 1 Corinthians 15:27-28; For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. If the Son shall be subject unto the Father, then have we been duped by Trinitarians.

If we would look into what Jesus said about the Father, this would solidify our claim. John 14:28; Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. That seems quite obvious. So the crowd says what about Matthews 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8? After much research we realised that these verses were not in scripture until after AD 300, they were added to strengthen the Trinity doctrine, these are mere interpolations. If the best verses to support such false doctrine were added to scripture does not that make it even more suspicious?

Another stronghold of the trinitarians is found in John 1:1, let us get the true interpretation so we would no longer be tossed about by every wind of false doctrine. John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was (a) God. The confusion for most people often springs up from the "and the Word was God," we would be saved if we had interpreted as "and the Word was (a) God," for the latter is as accurate as the former. Jesus is a God Who Has a God, this is strengthened by Psalms 45:7; Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And also Revelation 3:12; Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. If Jesus was equal with the Father, would the Father be His God?

The trinitarians argue that their god is not three but one, three personalities but one god. If there be three personalities, that simply is three gods. This has led most to serious confusion, some don't believe the Bible anymore because of this fatal error. Is God an author of confusion? Is He willing to befuddle His children and leave them beclouded? No! God never wills to leave us confused, this is why Christ Jesus sent forth the Holy Ghost to lead us into all truth. But trinitarians believe God himself to be a mystery and an author of confusion, and that's not God, but Satan. Another confusion here is about the Holy Ghost. They believe the Holy Ghost to be the third person of the trinity which is another falsehood. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit that fills the Father and the Son, the very life of the Father and the Son, He is often referred to as the Spirit of God. What sort of Spirit is he? A holy Spirit! What sort of Spirit is Jesus and the Father? Holy Spirit! Has the Holy Ghost a separate personality apart from the Father and the Son? For this is the Spirit of the Father, can His characteristics be different from One Who owns Him or from His Source? Herein lies the confusion, the Spirit of God is the complete representative or manifestation of the Father and also the Son. Nowhere did the apostles prayed or sang to the Holy Ghost. Prayers are offered in the Holy Spirit to the Father in Jesus name.

As the spirit in man is subject to man, for the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, so is the Holy Ghost to the Father and the Son. Saying the Holy Ghost is equal to the Father is the same with saying the Father is equal to the Father. That appears unreasonable of course. For the Father is a holy Spirit! God is Spirit. For the Spirit manifests the persons and presence and power and glory of the Father and the Son. This is why the Spirit is often referred to as an IT, and other times an HE. 1 John 2:27; But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as IT hath taught you, ye shall abide in HIM. HE sometimes manifests the persons of the Father and the Son, other times IT appears as their power, glory and presence. So then who here is still deceived to worship false gods of the trinity? To worship the gods of trinity is to deny Jesus is come in the flesh and that God was not manifest in the flesh. This is the denial of the ages, that righteousness, holiness, godliness is not come in the flesh! The Father is the Source of all things! Our Lord Jesus came to restore us to the Father, not to Himself, even though He is worthy of worship, He humbled Himself before the Great God, the Ancient of Days, that His will might be done. In the power of the Holy Ghost are we to worship God, the Father in Jesus name!

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solite3:
Jesus is the Word of God.

The Word of God is God just as the Spirit of God is God.
But there is one God.

connect the dot together and you have the answer.

God is a trinue being meaning God is exist as three separate persons or individuals.

some may ask why did Jesus say the father is superior to him?

the bible has all the answer,

Philippians said that Jesus lowered himself to become a servant and a human being in order to fulfill God's requirement for man's salvation.
Hebrews even said Jesus was a little less than the angel when he came to this earth.

this explains why Jesus said he is less than the father. this is due to his nature as the son of man and also explains why Jesus said call no man Good or that no man knows the day of his coming.

it explains many things written in the gospels and the epistles.

the fact that Jesus is God is well taught in the bible.

How come Jesus calls His Father, my God? Read the OP carefully. Every other truth besides that is falsehood.

herlecks:
How come Jesus calls His Father, my God? Read the OP carefully. Every other truth besides that is falsehood.

KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
Jesus Christ is called/referred to as God, Son of God, Son of Man, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, Saviour, Lord and even Angel of the Lord in the Holy Bible, so in discussing about the doctrine of the Trinity you must be able to come out with an explanation that can be able to justify all these personalities without been biased in respect to any of them.
If you know the reason behind these personalities in reference to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ you will see and know the truth.

Agrogbeide:
KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
Jesus Christ is called/referred to as God, Son of God, Son of Man, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, Saviour, Lord and even Angel of the Lord in the Holy Bible, so in discussing about the doctrine of the Trinity you must be able to come out with an explanation that can be able to justify all these personalities without been biased in respect to any of them.
If you know the reason behind these personalities in reference to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ you will see and know the truth.

You are either confused or deceived. Go, humble yourself before God that He might renew your mind, then study the scripture from scratch.

herlecks:
You are either confused or deceived. Go, humble yourself before God that He might renew your mind, then study the scripture from scratch.

Kikikikikikikikiki........

Just two bible passages has renderd your post useless, and you have started shivering like a wet chicken. Since you are shivering already I don't know what will happen if I start posting other bible passages..........Lemme wish you a happy Sunday to disclaim your post once more

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KJV:And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
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KJV:Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:26-28
Happy Sunday.
Thanks.
God bless.

If God wants to come to earth to reconcile man to himself, and He now comes to earth; to his own people baptized from Moses, how best will He address himself, so that they will make him God here and his purpose will be defeated? This wouldn't solve your quest but may give you some clues

Isce:
If God wants to come to earth to reconcile man to himself, and He now comes to earth; to his own people baptized from Moses, how best will He address himself, so that they will make him God here and his purpose will be defeated? This wouldn't solve your quest but may give you some clues

I got the clue. Correct.