Venerable612:


It’s relative. Some, and I would say quite a lot, of graduates from Nigerian Universities too cannot even write application letters. Punctuations are so bad - and they are even bereft of Skills needed by employers these days.

Truth is, many Nigerian graduates are unemployable: largely due to the obsolete system of education though - Polytechnic or University alike.

But the discrimination is not in Knowledge - it’s in the ranks and remuneration structure. It’s a subtle way of influencing prospective students to apply to Polytechnics as well - which would at least reduce the huge population seeking a University degree.

[b]If you ask me - it’s a good thing. [/b]But overhaul all the curriculums for courses in the UNI and Polys already- it’s not 21st century like!

Some will applaud the bold.
Truth be told, a country will not solve her national problems by way of short cuts.

Be it the curriculum are not 21st Century like, it still doesn't solve anything meaningful.

Let's see if those with HND in engineering will go and tell NSE/Coren to register them as Engineers.

MrMash:




The difference is hard to miss .

Try teaching both an entirely new thing and see who learns faster.

It would be a crime to pay both same salary .

University graduates are wired to be problem solvers and critical thinkers, Diploma holders are skilled craftsmen that take instructions.

Yours is a sound mind.

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

I hold HND in engineering n currently practicing as an instructor in automotive technology n to be honest with u, I have been teaching degree holders n people with higher qualification both the theoritical n practical aspect of automobile engineering. So, what r u saying?

[quote author=MrMash post=78398840]But in all sincerity both are not same. [/quote

My brother I beg to disagree with you. I was privy to an aptitude test conducted by a reputable company. From the first position to the 8th were hnd holders, the 9th and 10th positions were "your" BSc holders.

Olulinks:
Your submission is based on your perception, which based on your experience. If you don't have both BSc and HND, you can't tell me which is which.

I never said one was inferior .

But you know in your heart which is better .

Ogbeni I work with this ur HND graduates everyday. They are hardworking no doubt, but if it takes them 30 minutes to solve a problem , na 3 minutes I go take solve am.

There was a time Polythecnic graduates were given opportunity to write same Dragnet exam as University graduates for a job opening . Guess what!! Nobody scored up to 18

Make we dey sabi our mate. Abeg.

MrMash:
But in all sincerity both are not same.

My brother I beg to disagree with you. I was privy to an aptitude test conducted by a reputable company. From the first position to the 8th were hnd holders, the 9th and 10th positions were "your" BSc holders. This is one of the many examples, mind you!!

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

I know say you be Uni graduate. I could hardly comprehend what you wrote here.

[quote author=ACE1010 post=78401511][/quote]

Probably the salary offered was beneath what the best brain would compete for .

Zaikon:

The real Heading

FG abolishes BSc/HND dichotomy in paramilitary services

abi o

MrMash:
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I have no problem my brother .


"In ur heart of heart" can you compare Hnd Engineering to B.Eng?

While I was undergoing 2 months intensive for my last job . Various candidates from different background were taught Accounting from the scratch to finish in 3 days . We had an exam 2 days later, guess what ! The Engineers schooled all of us including a Chartered Accountant and a lady that had first class in accounting . These guys scored 98% . While we that spent 4 years in Uni studying Accounting managed to score 90.

Bros na all of us go school but we need to know our mates .

In that case the HND should be abolish altogether and an appropriate degree programme created to take care of practical skill oriented courses to sort out the inferiority/superiority problem cause by the HND/Bsc dichotomy instead of continuing with a system that results to others to be seen as inferior all the time,as a matter of fact the polytechnics has been phased out in many countries n we should do same here.

kittykollinxx:


[s]A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills[/s]?

Have you taken a casual look at several university graduates writing skills? Pathetic to say the least.

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

Bla bla bla... As a HND and a BSc graduate, I can tell that your thoughts are wrong. So you think Polytechnics don't understand theories and its applications. Using Yaba College of Technology as a case study, the students of Art & Design, and Engineering has done what your lecturers in the so-called universities have no idea of

Deepthoughts:
Go n form your own government n formulate whatever policy that suit your ego,as for this one it's done.

One of the characteristics of skilled craftsmen is that they dont read to digest. Dont take everything hook , line and sinker .

Go through the news again .

It is limited to paramilitary!!! even a Secondary school drop out can fit into the role.

I think the solution you all want is for all polythecnics to be converted to Universities. Make government kuku abolish polythecnics .

Throughout your stay in your "amazing" Polythecnic .
How many of your courses were taken by a Dr?
How many of your Courses were taken by a Prof ?
Foreign Prof ?

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Why is this coming up again. T thought its was done and dusted !!

dingbang:
We believe in paper so much rather than productivity and output

Na them

MrMash:


I never said one was inferior .

But you know in your heart which is better .

Ogbeni I work with this ur HND graduates everyday. They are hardworking no doubt, but if it takes them 30 minutes to solve a problem , na 3 minutes I go take solve am.

There was a time Polythecnic graduates were given opportunity to write same Dragnet exam as University graduates for a job opening . Guess what!! Nobody scored up to 18

Make we dey sabi our mate. Abeg.

A company I worked with has a partnership with YABATECH to employ some of their best students. This is due to the fact that their graduates are amongst the best workforce in the country and out there. So, coming out to talk about some dull graduates who wouldn't have been better in a University system is uncalled for. I have met several University graduates who can't make use of Microsoft word talk more of passing Dragnet exams which isn't difficult by the way.

xamuel17:
very good.... this was actually the reason why i had to transfer to a University after my ond at a polytechnic

OND is usually issued by a Polytechnic.

kittykollinxx:
Should we pretend like they are same? The dichotomy explains the concept of specialization and division of labour in many sectors.

True, but the Nigerian wages system put one far above the other, hence the industrial crisis it has generated.

BTW, you're the only one so far, who has put forward a sound argument devoid of sentiments on this topic...

I respond to only intellects.

nurex01:
Nice move if truly it works out.

they re not the same, hnd holders suffer from poor diction, poor spelling and grammar.

cant see things conceptually, but they re good in technical matters, no country can progress without technicians if all institutions become varsities who will repair our machines, build houses , is it the philipinos, Indians or chinkos?

This is tailored to favor the Northerners. They have the highest polytechnic graduates. And this dichotomy has kind of stalled their career progression in these paramilitary organizations. Don't also forget that the Northerners have the highest numbers in these paramilitary institutions.
Talking about equality, the universities and polytechnics are not on the same pedestal. This is because almost all the best students from the best secondary schools across Nigeria are more likely to end up in the universities. Again, between the two, which system gets better attention from the government in terms of funding? We know that in Nigeria, a system most patronized by the elite is given priority attention. That is why when Nigerian universities are on strike, the "whole" nation is aware.

demoBaba:


Please educate us.

Their admission entry requirements aren't the same

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

The dichotomy is harmful to the Nigerian system setup. Universities are not just for theories, they also should do practicals too. Back in Nigeria, I had HND, it hindered all my dreams and even made it virtually impossible to further academics within and outside Nigeria.

When it comes to writing, its a very different thing; its based on individuals. I have written for publication before, even when I had just HND.

Simply put, the dichotomy ruins people's psyche.

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

As much as I understand and respect ur view, A technologist should not be under advantage.
Before u can produce any machine, be rest assure that the design and operational theory of such machine or device is understood by same.
If u don't know how it works you can, produce but not assemble. So technologlist understand, the design, production and the operational principle.

I will liken technologist to pharmacist who makes the drug, know the component of a drug, the dosage, effect while Engineers as a Doctor who only prescribe and takes the glory

I thought it was abolished before?

FRSC(Road Safety) is Not In Compliance With This Law but They Were First To Implement The dicotomy back then

MrMash:
But in all sincerity both are not same.

its necessary because government has also stopped polytechnics from offering HND i believe, though i dont know how effective that has been. can some tell me am right?

hush15:


its necessary because government has also stopped polytechnics from offering HND i believe, though i dont know how effective that has been. can some tell me am right?

You are wrong! Polytechnics still offers HND

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

And the university graduate needs all the practicals that an explain all the theories.

In the same way "Action speaks louder than words" university degree is the word Polytechnic diploma is the action.

I would only argue that both are good in their won way and none is better than the other

kittykollinxx:


A university degree is not a paper! taken nothing away from the polytechnic graduates, with all their skills they still need someone who understands the theories that drive the practice and that is why, university graduates should always have an edge. Without theories there's no productivity.
Have you taken a careful examination of polytechnic graduate writing skills?

So without PRACTICE, would there be any "theory"? Or better still let your writing skill do the productivity... Onye nkuyeli�