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adanny01:
I am bookmarking this statement, since you are beyond redemption. You will be ashamed of yourself soon.

For starters, keep this one in memory

Are invalid votes amongst votes cast? The other invalid votes in previous elections did they count.You are the one beyond redemption

PHILipu1:
OK,agreed that they are invalid or voided.

And now that the total invalid votes in the election is higher than the difference between the PDP candidate and the nearest candidate, is that not a ground for re run?

Re-run on what basis? Was election cancelled or did not hold in any polling unit? People were given opportunity to vote and they decided to waste their votes by voting for an illegal candidate

udemzyudex:
Only a tribunal has original jurisdiction? If this is so,why did Osun APC went to court of appeal? And why is Osun PDP going to the supreme court?

You said the 2/3 spread is now the job of INEC to interpret,when you take away all APC vote ,you will have PDP and other parties that contested.

The question is did PDP vote meet the 2/3 requirements?

So,who will you give APC 500k plus votes to without a re run?
Or you think the law will disfranchise 500k plus voters that voted for APC due to none of their fault and allow only 100k plus voters vote to decide the governor?

PHILipu1:
So,who will you give APC 500k plus votes to without a re run?
Or you think the law will disfranchise 500k plus voters that voted for APC due to none of their fault and allow only 100k plus voters vote to decide the governor?

What was the supreme court ruling on this case?

Remember supreme court is the apex court.

PHILipu1:
So,who will you give APC 500k plus votes to without a re run?
Or you think the law will disfranchise 500k plus voters that voted for APC due to none of their fault and allow only 100k plus voters vote to decide the governor?

Its like you don't understand the meaning of the english word "void"? Bros check your dictionary and get back to me.

In Kogi state 5000 voters decided the election,you are here crying over 200k valid votes

mushystuff:
The court first declared all votes allotted to the APC as wasted, rubbish and void. So subtract those then come back with the actual, judicially recognised votes and your question again.

But the court did not say that those votes did not exists abi?

So if the number of wasted,voided,rubbish votes are higher than the difference between the winner and loser,is that not a re run?

garfield1:
You are not getting me.in an election petition case,it starts from a tribunal not a high court or appellate court.you must start from tribunal and end up at the supreme court.you just cant go to higher court except you are appealing like apc in osun did.that was after the tribunal ruled against them.
You can only take away the votes of apc from apc which the course did,you can also say those votes are not valid but you cannot nullify this votes.that is not a pre election matter.those votes are legitimate.they fulfilled all voting requirements under the electoral act.those votes are same as thumbprinting for two or more parties.it will count for no party but will still count in the net total

Ok but the supreme court said its wasted vote.

garfield1:
Oga,pdp did not meet the requirement.you cannot cancel the votes of over 500,000 people who voted legitimately.globally,disenfranchisement is a serious offence

500k people voted legitimately? What brand of weed are you smoking?

PaChukwudi44:
Its like you don't understand the meaning of the english word "void"? Bros check your dictionary and get back to me.

In Kogi state 5000 voters decided the election,you are here crying over 200k valid votes

Lol.
5000 votes decide Kogi because the total voided,wasted,rubbish votes were not up to that 5000 which was the difference between the winner and loser.

Is 500k plus that was wasted,voided,rubbish etc in Zamfara not more the the figure that ODP use to defeat the nearest candidate to it.

Una eyes go clear soon and will cry cheating when the law is very clear

PHILipu1:
But the court did not say that those votes did not exists abi?

So if the number of wasted,voided,rubbish votes are higher than the difference between the winner and loser,is that not a re run?

Re-run on what basis? What was the void votes in the last osun election? Was it not more thsn Oyetola's so -called margin of victory? Did inec hold another re-run?

If people are given opportunity to vote and they voted a party without candidate then there is no basis for a re-run

garfield1:
Guy,behave mature and stop being politically hypocritical.why pretend to be neutral when you are a closet pdp supporter? Its disgusting.stop that and come out fully like a real man.
The supreme court is wise.it said the runner up will be sworn in if it fulfills the constitutional requirement bordering on spread.this case is a pre election case involving apc alone,votes that were cast on election day is a part of an election petition case.only a tribunal can fully talk about votes cast during an election firstly before ending at the apex court.
Those votes cast for apc have been taken away from apc but it is not nullified.the grounds for nullifying votes are clearly slept out in the electoral act and this was not what was brought before the court.the for apc votes are now rejected votes and part of total votes cast.section 179 of the constitution talks about votes cast not valid or invalid votes.

if am pro pdp it's my right...let's stay on d cos here...the Supreme Court didn't order for re run it said declare d second runner up winner...moreover let's wait for inec interpretations on Monday...and stop dis useless partisan supportership except dem de pay u... Apc shd wait til 2023 re run or not pdp has an advantage and won't let it slip...

PaChukwudi44:
Re-run on what basis? What was the void votes in the last osun election? Was it not more thsn Oyetola's so -called margin of victory? Did inec hold another re-run?

If people are given opportunity to vote and they voted a party without candidate then there is no basis for a re-run

Go and check your statistic and tell me why there was re run in some area in Osun in the first place

PHILipu1:
Lol.
5000 votes decide Kogi because the total voided,wasted,rubbish votes were not up to that 5000 which was the difference between the winner and loser.

Is 500k plus that was wasted,voided,rubbish etc in Zamfara not more the the figure that ODP use to defeat the nearest candidate to it.

Una eyes go clear soon and will cry cheating when the law is very clear

Quit been stupid and understand my point.5000 was not the difference between PDP and APC in Kogi.It was the number of votes Yaya bello got.The rest of the votes were for Audu

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OGHENAOGIE:
if am pro pdp it's my right...let's stay on d cos here...the Supreme Court didn't order for re run it said declare d second runner up winner...moreover let's wait for inec interpretations on Monday...and stop dis useless partisan supportership except dem de pay u... Apc shd wait til 2023 re run or not pdp has an advantage and won't let it slip...

The supreme court put a big 'IF' the runner up meets the constitutional requirements.
So,INEC will decide that IF

OGHENAOGIE:
if am pro pdp it's my right...let's stay on d cos here...the Supreme Court didn't order for re run it said declare d second runner up winner...moreover let's wait for inec interpretations on Monday...and stop dis useless partisan supportership except dem de pay u... Apc shd wait til 2023 re run or not pdp has an advantage and won't let it slip...

The supreme court put a big 'IF' the runner up meets the constitutional requirements.
So,INEC will decide that IF

PaChukwudi44:
Quit been stupid and understand my point.5000 was not the difference between PDP and APC in Kogi.It was the number of votes Yaya bello got.The rest of the votes were for Audu

You are mad to be comparing inter party matters to intra party issues here.
How ever APC as party settled Audi and Bello issue is best known to it and INEC have nothing to do with that

PHILipu1:
Go and check your statistic and tell me why there was re run in some area in Osun in the first place

ReRun was ordered because elections did not hold at all in 7 polling units and the number of registered voters were more than the difference between APC and PDP.

In Zamfara elections were conducted successfully and votes were counted and recorded.No basis for a rerun

I dont think there will be any reRun.

Supreme Court has already declared APC votes as void votes and therefore they don't count.

Void votes are entirely different from cancelled votes that led to re#run in Osun, Sokoto, Bauchi,Adamawa, etc

In Sokoto the number of total void votes was greater than the margin between PDP and APC, since neither the electoral act nor the constitution was breached the PdP candidate was return elected having satisfied the requirements of the law and scored 25% of the VALID VOTES CAST in 2/3 of the LGs of Sokoto.

Dr Bello Matawalle will be returned elected and all PDP State and National Assembly candidates

garfield1:
Guy,you are bringing a new dimension into this.apc has intelligent personalities.the question we should look at is whether the constitution is referring to total valid votes cast or total votes cast.let me look at the constitution again

Modified:i just checked,the constitution talks about total votes cast not valid votes.the constitution recpgnises only casted votes.valid and invalid votes are creation of inec.therefore,the former apc votes will be part of total votes cast but not valid votes

Like I explained to someone here yesterday, in 2010 when the appeal court declare aregbe winner in osun state, the court voided some of oyinlola's votes to make aregbe have highest votes cast. If the voided votes had been added to number of invalid votes from the election figures, a rerun would have been ordered as the invalid votes were more than aregbe's margin of victory. That's why I said voided votes by courts are not included in total votes cast. But my concern is why the supreme court did not outrightly declare a winner. I'm waiting till Monday to see what happens next.

In the last sokoto elections Tambuwal won the APC candidate by a mere 342 votes.Total void votes was 31,662.How come no re-run was ordered?

PaChukwudi44:
ReRun was ordered because elections did not hold at all in 7 polling units and the number of registered voters were more than the difference between APC and PDP.

In Zamfara elections were conducted successfully and votes were counted and recorded.No basis for a rerun

Not entirely in Osun.
It didn't hold in some place and some where voided and that was what contributed to the re run.

And APC votes has been voided in Zamfara and who do you give those votes to without a re run.

Are you telling me that 500 k plus didn't do accreditation and voted.

A court can not minus or add casted votes in an election, it can only take away votes from a party.

PaChukwudi44:
Re-run on what basis? Was election cancelled or did not hold in any polling unit? People were given opportunity to vote and they decided to waste their votes by voting for an illegal candidate

How could you prove to the voters that the APC that was on the ballot on that day was illegal?
Was it court that order for APC to be included and are you going to punish the voters for INEC decision of following the law?

PaChukwudi44:
Re-run on what basis? Was election cancelled or did not hold in any polling unit? People were given opportunity to vote and they decided to waste their votes by voting for an illegal candidate

How could you prove to the voters that the APC that was on the ballot on that day was illegal?
Was it court that order for APC to be included and are you going to punish the voters for INEC decision of following the law?

Well, it's so simple enough. Going by the judgment of the Supreme Court, in the eyes of the law, APC never participated in the national and state elections conducted in Zamfara state. Being the apex court and having given the final verdict, what's left for INEC is to subtract all votes garnered by APC in both the national and state elections in that state from the total number of accredited voters who actually voted, and then decide the winners of all the elective posts, having removed APC from the setting. I hope our political power mongers have learned their lessons in different shades. Yari, who exclaimed a day before the Supreme Court's verdict, that Nigeria's sitting on a time bomb which is soon to explode, never knew the explosion of the bomb would begin from him the next day. He lost everything due to greed and pride.
And to those who are insinuating a rerun election, please be informed that the apex court has given the final say. The Supreme Court said in its judgment that the party with the next highest votes be considered, so there can never be a rerun. More so, a particular sub-subsection in section 140 of the Electoral Act was declared void and ultra vires the provisions of the constitution, by a federal high court, of which that judgment was never appealed against, till the statutory period to file a civil suit elapsed. So there can't be a rerun in this case. PDP would be declared by INEC on Monday.

In the last osun elections INEC declared oyetola winner with a mere 482 votes.Total number of void votes was 47k how come no rerun was ordered?

PHILipu1:
So,who will you give APC 500k plus votes to without a re run?
Or you think the law will disfranchise 500k plus voters that voted for APC due to none of their fault and allow only 100k plus voters vote to decide the governor?

Voting for a particular candidate or party is a choice. If we're to follow ur logic, one can also say ppl dat voted for audu were disenfranchised since they didn't vote for yahaya Bello. You vote for party not candidate. If a party is disqualified, then the votes are also disqualified. Nothing like disenfranchised here. The voters have a responsibility to make informed choices when voting

PHILipu1:
How could you prove to the voters that the APC that was on the ballot on that day was illegal?
Was it court that order for APC to be included and are you going to punish the voters for INEC decision of following the law?

Your question should be directed to the eminent jurists of the apex court who voided their votes not me.They already knew APC did not conduct primaries within the time stipulated by law but chose to waste their votes

garfield1:
You are not getting me.in an election petition case,it starts from a tribunal not a high court or appellate court.you must start from tribunal and end up at the supreme court.you just cant go to higher court except you are appealing like apc in osun did.that was after the tribunal ruled against them.
You can only take away the votes of apc from apc which the course did,you can also say those votes are not valid but you cannot nullify this votes.that is not a pre election matter.those votes are legitimate.they fulfilled all voting requirements under the electoral act.those votes are same as thumbprinting for two or more parties.it will count for no party but will still count in the net total

I like ur logic abt the court not being a tribunal. But it buttresses the fact then that if APC was not supposed to be on the ballot, then whatever accrued to it does not exist in real terms. It's almost as if saying those people did not vote at all.

garfield1:
Invalid votes count as part of total votes cast,your too blinded by tribalism to know this anyway.
Vthe issue before the supreme court is what happened at apc primaries not what happened during the elections.what happened during the polls are within the jilurisdiction of a tribunal not the supreme court.please be guided.that something is a waste doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.wasted votes are same as thumbprinting for three parties on a ballot.it is invalid but will be recorded

I don't reason from anus, I think critically fast.

APC don't suppose to be on the ballot, they didn't suppose to participate in the elections in anyway...

So votes garnered illegally is a waste and has to be thrown away. the people voted in error and so it won't count.

Therefore it will be subtracted from total number to now get the legal accredited voters and subsequent valid votes.

rafindo:
Does the constitution recognize wasted vote.the supreme is actually compounding a serious debate. Wasted votes automatically disenfranchised the voter who had nothing to do with internal issue of a party. The best the supreme court should have done is other a new election with APC excluded. People votes must count not court vote. Supreme court erred in error.

so we should take this case to Sharia court?

Buckubuck:
Like I explained to someone here yesterday, in 2010 when the appeal court declare aregbe winner in osun state, the court voided some of oyinlola's votes to make aregbe have highest votes cast. If the voided votes had been added to number of invalid votes from the election figures, a rerun would have been ordered as the invalid votes were more than aregbe's margin of victory. That's why I said voided votes by courts are not included in total votes cast. But my concern is why the supreme court did not outrightly declare a winner. I'm waiting till Monday to see what happens next.

Bro, the Supreme Court can't give what parties didn't ask for. Those who approached the trial court didn't pray the court to declare a winner other than the APC. The claim in their case was to the effect that, no valid APC's primary elections took place in the state. And that was what the Supreme Court focused on. Well, the court, in some instances specially warranting it, will make ancillary orders not specifically prayed for by the plaintiff. That was why the Supreme Court made an ancillary order, having decided that APC did not participate in the election, and in order to give a directive as to what to do, that the next party should be declared winner having met the requirements. More so, this is a pre-election matter and not one of post-election affair which would enable the tribunal to declare a winner or a rerun when certain requirements are not met.