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3. Why Human Blood Antigen Incompatibility?

Theism cannot explain why humans have different and incompatible blood antigens, causing dire consequences like blood transfusion reaction, and hemolytic disease especially in rhesus positive fetuses in rhesus negative mothers.

It remain a puzzle why an all intelligent and most merciful God didn't create all human with the same antigen or design these different antigens to be compatible with one another, to rule out any risk of blood transfusion reaction or hemolytic disease of fetuses.

Blood transfusion started way before the discovery of the different blood antigens - A, B, AB, O. Because of this, many lives of blood recipients were lost due to blood reaction.

We discovered rhesus(D) antigen only later, it had been the cause of blood transfusion reactions and hemolytic disease of fetuses. To say that all of this is the plan of the most intelligent, all knowing and most merciful is .......... - you name it.

sino:
Knowledge is never fully grasped by any human living or dead, to try and seek answers to everything, and the way you want it to be and mean is akin to being crazy!

So, I'm crazy for questioning why an all intelligent and most merciful creator would design women with menstruation, which He describes as both hurtful and impure? I'm crazy for asking why women would be designed to feel menstrual cramps every months? OK.

Applying wisdom to the available knowledge guides in focusing on the right questions and making the right decisions and progress in living a purposeful life.

If all of humanity were content with the available knowledge within their culture and religion, you think our species would've progress this far? You think we'd have discovered vaccines or prophylactics if we were content with affliction and abatement of disease to be perfect design of God?

Of course, when you do believe there is God, who is all Knowing and all Wise, you do not doubt this God's knowledge coupled with the Wisdom behind the creation the way it is...Again God in His divine authority, according to Islam, gave permission for man to think, reflect, explore, investigate, query whatever he can, for at the end of the day, the knowledge you would acquire from all these, cannot help you other than submit to the superiority of the Creator, of course that is if you are sincere to begin with. Hence, when all is said and done, there is no shred of doubt with respect to the fact that indeed Allah (SWT) Knows best!

Are you really sincere on this? What do you know about cloud seeding or genetic engineering? Are these not proof of that questioning the wisdom behind 'God's design' have sometimes served as man's first step in inventing to improve his quality of life?

So when you talk about the female menstruation, first, this is the way the creator wants it to be, no mistakes! Do you have a problem with it?! Well then, why not start by creating your own world and your own creatures the way you want them to be, or what else does it mean when you claim someone didn't do a good job?! Because you can do better right?! And thus the challenge, do better and let's see!

@underlined, Can you tell this to your sister, wife, daughter or niece every month when they have a heating pad on their abdomen to relieve menstrual cramps; or when their fast is broken by the first flow of menses at 5pm on a Ramadan afternoon?

Can you also tell this to all the menstruating women ostracized to menstruation hut every month, far away from their families?

The most important thing is that Allah (SWT) created this world as a test, so whatever human beings go through, the challenges are indeed part of the test, and the solutions are all within our capacity in this world, whether we understand the reasons why or the wisdom behind them, Allah (SWT) would not ask us about that, but how we made good use of the free gift of being able to choose wisely our own deeds and actions and the intentions behind them!

You really never thought of the contradictions between the concept of the world as divine test for man, and the concept of God as an all knowing entity who already knows the result of this test?

You're 150% convinced that God would create people and toss them into a test without consenting them? We're all trapped in this world like those kids in Maze Runner book/movie series?

Yeah, FYI, there is paradise, which happens to be the reward for the tests and challenges, and what is most amusing is that we all seek this place, where everything is just the way we want, just that some want it to be here on earth (which is practically and spiritually impossible), while some of us know that it is indeed in the hereafter!

Basically, all you have said is this, "God's design is perfect. Believe it, just believe it. I'm telling you, believe it". I'll remember to tell that to the next woman I meet who suffered two miscarriages due to ABO hemolytic disease of fetus.

budaatum:
This is not true! Women after birth are not prohibited from salat or fasting for 40 days "because they need a break"!

Ijma and hadith specifically forbid salat till postpartum bleeding subsides, usually after 40 days.

They are prohibited from fasting because fasting will not allow them to provide nourishment for their new born baby, but because people were stupid and did "not know enough to appreciate yet", we tell you it is the "perfect plan of God" so you will comply without argument!

Ok, fasting after birth is harmful. But wait, I still stand to be corrected. I'm not convinced the basis of this is welfare of the newborn. Because the women still have to perform ghusl(spiritual purification) before they resume their salat. So, no misrepresentation on my part.

budaatum:
Well, if you cannot avoid making a mess in the mosque with your menses, which was more likely the case when this law was passed, please don't come and mess up the mosque and disturb the prayers with it!

You don't get it. Menstruating women are prohibited from salat, not just the mosque. They cannot hold salat even in the privacy of their bedrooms, in traditional Islam. This isn't about mosque sanitation.

The pain will not kill you. Women will even inform you that it makes them appreciate the giving birth, but that's not why you have pain. The pain is like a restriction. If you did not have pain, you might be giving birth way too early, like at the age of 12 because it will be so easy to do so.

How do you know this? Come on! Before modern medicine, many more women and newborns died owing to labor complications. I know I mentioned only pain, but it is not just pain. It is the delicate nature of the process that is potentially fatal to mother and baby.

The pain at 12 is like you died, and it reduces the more mature you become. But so you wait till you are more mature and have accumulated enough resources and wisdom to nourish a life we give you pain to stop you having a child too early so you appreciate and are able to nourish that new life when it arrives. The Almighty God is most Merciful and Wise, and you humans after all, do not appreciate that which comes easy to you!

Restriction? Well, now that we have option of painless delivery - epidural, what does this mean to you? I hope I'm not sinning by wondering why God wouldn't design menstruation to start much later than 8 years - say 16 years - if the wisdom is to restrict adolescent pregnancies.

tintingz: Angel Gabriel is the mouthpiece of Allah. Whatever Angel Gabriel said is from Allah and whatever Muhammad said is from Allah. The Quran is also about God's commandments, rules, what he likes and hate, fairytales and myths.

I was confused myself when I read budaatum, because all believers in the Qur'an agree it is the literal speech of God. But I decide to let him off the hook because these days I find myself reconsidering a lot.

Some verses of Qur'an would be easier to understand if God is not the speaker;

70:40
But nay! I swear by the Lord of the risings and settings that we are surely able.

51:23
By the Lord of the heavens and earth, I swear that this is the truth.

A valid case can be made that these verses are the speech of other than God. But that's an issue for another day.

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By the way, I wonder if you noticed this;

sino: The most important thing is that Allah (SWT) created this world as a test, so whatever human beings go through, the challenges are indeed part of the test, and the solutions are all within our capacity in this world, whether we understand the reasons why or the wisdom behind them, Allah (SWT) would not ask us about that, but how we made good use of the free gift of being able to choose wisely our own deeds and actions and the intentions behind them!

I draw you to this because it reminds me of an alternate universe, from where you got your signature. The Divergent book/film series where the people come to learn their whole world and life is a test run from the outside by the bureau.

Without their consent or even their knowledge; the bureau pluck them into this test, and through an all seeing camera, the bureau watches them suffer, fight and kill themselves without help. All to gather the 'test' data.

I don't know if you've read/watched Maze Runner, different story but same premise of 'We're all here as a test'. I have a theory that these stories are basically parodies of the theistic concept of the world as a divine test for man.

It is 2019, the flaw in the concept of the world as a divine test should be evident even for a theist.

usermane:
I was confused myself when I read budaatum, because all believers in the Qur'an agree it is the literal speech of God. But I decide to let him off the hook because these days I find myself reconsidering a lot.

I do not "believe" things, I do my research. And my research on the matter brings me to conclude that the Prophet, who initially could not write, wrote down, on camel bones, what it is claimed he received from God through an Angel called Gabriel who told it to him. And what we read now, and which some call the "literal word of God", is what was transposed from the camel bones on which they were first written.

Please do not let buda of a hook! If buda lies, hang buda! Or correct buda so buda stops lying!


Ref: Disbelieve and Know!

usermane:
Ijma and hadith specifically forbid salat till postpartum bleeding subsides, usually after 40 days.

Does that not show you the wiseness and mercifulness of the Almighty Allah who is willing to sacrifice salat for a whole 40 days for your health and that of your newborn baby whom Allah appears to value way more than your five times a day salat?

usermane:
I was confused myself when I read budaatum, because all believers in the Qur'an agree it is the literal speech of God. But I decide to let him off the hook because these days I find myself reconsidering a lot.

Exactly.

Some verses of Qur'an would be easier to understand if God is not the speaker;

A valid case can be made that these verses are the speech of other than God. But that's an issue for another day.

It's even confusing.

By the way, I wonder if you noticed this;

I draw you to this because it reminds me of an alternate universe, from where you got your signature. The Divergent book/film series where the people come to learn their whole world and life is a test run from the outside by the bureau.

Without their consent or even their knowledge; the bureau pluck them into this test, and through an all seeing camera, the bureau watches them suffer, fight and kill themselves without help. All to gather the 'test' data.

I don't know if you've read/watched Maze Runner, different story but same premise of 'We're all here as a test'. I have a theory that these stories are basically parodies of the theistic concept of the world as a divine test for man.

It is 2019, the flaw in the concept of the world as a divine test should be evident even for a theist.

God must be bored and a sadist to come up with the idea "the world is a test", I mean he is all-knowing and knows the outcome of every test, what's the point testing people when he knows the results long before he created them, he loves playing games and think it's meaningful and reasonable. He cruelly punish finite people for infinity for what he's responsible of. Theists should just accept their God is malevolent, imperfect and do unreasonable things.

Yes, I took up the signature "I'm divergent" after watching the the movie "Divergent", as for the Maze Runner, I've only seen the 1st part and they are amazing movies with amazing plot.

usermane:
Some verses of Qur'an would be easier to understand if God is not the speaker;

It is not my understanding that Allah directly spoke to the Prophet without the intermediation of the Angel Gabriel. However, I would like to be corrected if I am wrong.

Regardless, we read what has gone through transliteration from tablets, bones, and the wide, flat ends of date palm fronds haven been recited initially by a person who did not know how to until after he had spent time meditating on the name of Allah.

4. Why the Loopholes in the accounts of the Origin of Man?

Here are 6 loopholes in the account of the origin of man according to Abrahamic scriptures;

1. God designed Adam & Eve vulnerable to satanic temptation, although He didn't want them to succumb to such temptation.

2. God taught only Adam the names of everything, He didn't teach the angels. He then conduct a test for Adam and the angels, on the name of everything. When only Adam passes the test, God ordered the angels to bow before Adam.

3. God knows that Adam & Eve will eat from the tree, but He decides to test them anyway. In fact, He destined them to eat from the tree.
He leaves the tree with them and ask them not to eat from it.

4. When Adam and Eve were about to bite on the fruit, God did not stop them. He wait until they've eaten and began to feel the effect before He appears to remind them of His warning.

5. Everything happens according to God's plan. So everything that happened before Adam and Eve were sent to earth were all designed by God.

6. God tells the Children of Adam that this world is a test, and although none of the Children of Adam remember being consented or informed before put to this test, and although God already knows their result for this test, all the Children of Adam must partake in the test whether they like it or not.

usermane:
So, I'm crazy for questioning why an all intelligent and most merciful creator would design women with menstruation, which He describes as both hurtful and impure? I'm crazy for asking why women would be designed to feel menstrual cramps every months? OK.

My post is quite clear enough, there is a reason the quote in blue is there. Anyways, so what has your question been able to achieve since you have been thinking and asking about it? Care to share?

usermane:
If all of humanity were content with the available knowledge within their culture and religion, you think our species would've progress this far? You think we'd have discovered vaccines or prophylactics if we were content with affliction and abatement of disease to be perfect design of God?

Lol, my post is clear on this, it is not by asking redundant questions...There is a difference between asking why God made women to menstruate and asking what is the function of menstruation and how to ameliorate the female condition during this period. I need not tell you which would bear fruits for the progress of humanity...

usermane:
Are you really sincere on this? What do you know about cloud seeding or genetic engineering? Are these not proof of that questioning the wisdom behind 'God's design' have sometimes served as man's first step in inventing to improve his quality of life?

Heck! It seems you did not comprehend my post!

usermane:
@underlined, Can you tell this to your sister, wife, daughter or niece every month when they have a heating pad on their abdomen to relieve menstrual cramps; or when their fast is broken by the first flow of menses at 5pm on a Ramadan afternoon?

Can you also tell this to all the menstruating women ostracized to menstruation hut every month, far away from their families?

Alhamdulillah, the females in my family understand the deen, they know the blessings inherent in the pains they go through in this life, and they know the mercy in the dictates of Islamic worship. Brah, they are fine with Islam, Alhamdulillah!

I do not know of menstruation hut, but Islam doesn't teach that!

usermane:
You really never thought of the contradictions between the concept of the world as divine test for man, and the concept of God as an all knowing entity who already knows the result of this test?

You're 150% convinced that God would create people and toss them into a test without consenting them? We're all trapped in this world like those kids in Maze Runner book/movie series?

First question, did your parent seek your consent before you were conceived and given birth into this world?

Contradictions are just of your own making, the tests are for you and not for God...Everyone knows the outcome of any test he/she participates in, it is either you pass or fail. God knowing the outcome doesn't change the fact that you are the one consciously making the decisions, or are you under any form of compulsion to ask these questions and either choose to believe or disbelieve?!

usermane:
Basically, all you have said is this, "God's design is perfect. Believe it, just believe it. I'm telling you, believe it". I'll remember to tell that to the next woman I meet who suffered two miscarriages due to ABO hemolytic disease of fetus.

Nah, I'm not saying you should believe anything, I only challenged you, since you've claimed there are flaws, it isn't perfect, etc. Create your own world and creatures the perfect way and let us see...

It doesn't really make sense if all you can do is just to complain and whine about God, I guess that would be your message to the woman suffering from the above-mentioned disease? Wow, what a solution!

usermane:
So, I'm crazy for questioning why an all intelligent and most merciful creator would design women with menstruation, which He describes as both hurtful and impure? I'm crazy for asking why women would be designed to feel menstrual cramps every months?

No, you are not crazy "for questioning why an all intelligent and most merciful creator would design women with menstruation".

You just lack understanding like those who "will not understand until we break open for you from the ground a spring".

For you "work according to your manner, but your Lord is most knowing of who is best guided in the Way." For though we were "sent down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss."

"Indeed, the Qur'an guides to that which is most suitable and gives good tidings to those who understand and do righteous deeds that they will have a great reward."

For us is to give "Praise to Allah, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in His dominion and has no need of a protector out of weakness; and we glorify Him with with great glorification" because we accept He is our God!

Al-Isra Surah 17

sino:
Contradictions are just of your own making, the tests are for you and not for God...Everyone knows the outcome of any test he/she participates in, it is either you pass or fail. God knowing the outcome doesn't change the fact that you are the one consciously making the decisions, or are you under any form of compulsion to ask these questions and either choose to believe or disbelieve?!

Humans don't know the future therefore we can't know outcome of any test, that's why test exist in the first place, if we know the future then testing people will be meaningless!

If I know your future which is your fate, give me reasons why I should test you?

God knowing the future changes everything, he already knows your fate, your fate has been destined already, whatever decisions you make has been destined, you can't escape it, consciousness or freewill does not change your fate/destiny or does it?

budaatum:
No, you are not crazy "for questioning why an all intelligent and most merciful creator would design women with menstruation".

You just lack understanding like those who "will not understand until we break open for you from the ground a spring".

For you "work according to your manner, but your Lord is most knowing of who is best guided in the Way." For though we were "sent down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss."

"Indeed, the Qur'an guides to that which is most suitable and gives good tidings to those who understand and do righteous deeds that they will have a great reward."

For us is to give "Praise to Allah, who has not taken a son and has had no partner in His dominion and has no need of a protector out of weakness; and we glorify Him with with great glorification" because we accept He is our God!

Al-Isra Surah 17

If you create a robot and it started having glitches, is it a mistake from you and your imperfection or you intentionally made it to have glitches?

- If it was a mistake from you, can we say you're not all-knowing and not perfect?

- If you intentionally made it to have glitches while you're intelligent and all-knowing, does it make sense to tell the robot to stay away from you because of what you're responsible of? Are you being wise and merciful here?

And if you think there are no glitches here, why then did you call it "harmful and impure"?

Please I don't want long epistle, just go straight to the answer.

I hope the following is "straight to the answer" enough for you tintingz.

I can not respond to you on a level that you can possibly comprehend.

tintingz:
If you create a robot and it started having glitches, is it a mistake from you and your imperfection or you intentionally made it to have glitches?

- If it was a mistake from you, can we say you're not all-knowing and not perfect?

- If you intentionally made it to have glitches while you're intelligent and all-knowing, does it make sense to tell the robot to stay away from you because of what you're responsible of? Are you being wise and merciful here?

And if you think there are no glitches here, why then did you call it "harmful and impure"?

Please I don't want long epistle, just go straight to the answer.

tintingz:
God knowing the future changes everything, he already knows your fate, your fate has been destined already, whatever decisions you make has been destined, you can't escape it, consciousness or freewill does not change your fate/destiny or does it?

You might want to respond to me though.

Who told you what you claimed in the above?

budaatum:
I hope the following is "straight to the answer" enough for you tintingz.

I can not respond to you on a level that you can possibly comprehend.

Lol.

Try me.

budaatum:
You might want to respond to me though.

Who told you what you claimed in the above?

@bolded, The Muslims concept of God.

And your response in that thread is a paradox.

Maybe you should present your concept and attributes of your God.

tintingz:
@bolded, The Muslims concept of God.

And your response in that thread is a paradox.

Maybe you should present your concept and attributes of your God.

Life, they say, is a paradox. And I've told you about "concepts" tin. Why tempt buda to sin?

That said, I thought we cleared up that I am not some concept in your head that you insist I must be? Or did all that we spoke of fly over your head with you insisting on ignoring the me that I presented to you and you replacing me with the imaginary concept of me that you've created in your head? Don't you see that you are trying to strawman me and then argue against straw? Or are you just insisting that I accept and be your straw? Damn man! I thought you said it was easy. I guess you're just refusing to accept that it is not "simple and plain", and that "eat is is not eat" and "run is not run" contrary to what you seem to think.

You're going to forgive me tin, but buda is not created as straw by tin, but both male and female from mud and by the breathe of God!

tintingz:
Don't forget I was once a believer,

I think this is where you go wrong by the way, and I'm finding you are a believer, albeit of the atheist sort! You create these concepts in your own head and believe them and then insist they are the concepts in other people's heads despite all the evidence to the contrary. That, tin, is what 'believers' do, they disregard evidence and believe the silly 'concepts' they themself created in their own heads.

I myself was never a "believer", not even when I was an atheist. Unlike some, I never "believed that there were no gods", but categorically knew that there were no gods, and always found atheists who did not believe gods existed to be wishy washy sit on the fence lame atheists. I found believers in gods to be wishy washy too. A whole Almighty God and all you can do is 'believe'! I mean, how better can anyone confess to be ignorant and not know or attempt to know!

I'm not a 'believer' tin as I've repeatedly stated so stop talking to me like I am one! And if you care to have a proper concept of me and my relationship with my God, stop being lazy and read Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him?

And note. There is nothing "simple and plain" about the extremely complex buda!

budaatum:
I think this is where you go wrong by the way, and I'm finding you are a believer, albeit of the atheist sort! You create these concepts in your own head and believe them and then insist they are the concepts in other people's heads despite all the evidence to the contrary. That, tin, is what 'believers' do, they disregard evidence and believe the silly 'concepts' they themself created in their own heads.

I was a Muslim and I'm arguing base on the Muslim concept of God which is found in the Qur'an.

The Quran is where the concept of the Muslim God is described, I still don't understand your point exactly.

You come here to defend Allah and again talking about some imaginary God in your head. Are you confused or what?

If you want to argue for your God, present the idea of this your God and stop mixing other people's God to yours.

I myself was never a "believer", not even when I was an atheist. Unlike some, I never "believed that there were no gods", but categorically knew that there were no gods, and always found atheists who did not believe gods existed to be wishy washy sit on the fence lame atheists. I found believers in gods to be wishy washy too. A whole Almighty God and all you can do is 'believe'! I mean, how better can anyone confess to be ignorant and not know or attempt to know!

I'm not a 'believer' tin as I've repeatedly stated so stop talking to me like I am one! And if you care to have a proper concept of me and my relationship with my God, stop being lazy and read Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him?

And note. There is nothing "simple and plain" about the extremely complex buda!

Well news flash dude, my premise here is talking about Allah the Muslim deity not your concept of your imaginary God.

budaatum:
Life, they say, is a paradox. And I've told you about "concepts" tin. Why tempt buda to sin?

That said, I thought we cleared up that I am not some concept in your head that you insist I must be? Or did all that we spoke of fly over your head with you insisting on ignoring the me that I presented to you and you replacing me with the imaginary concept of me that you've created in your head? Don't you see that you are trying to strawman me and then argue against straw? Or are you just insisting that I accept and be your straw? Damn man! I thought you said it was easy. I guess you're just refusing to accept that it is not "simple and plain", and that "eat is is not eat" and "run is not run" contrary to what you seem to think.

You're going to forgive me tin, but buda is not created as straw by tin, but both male and female from mud and by the breathe of God!

Oga the premise of my argument is talking about Allah the Muslim God not your idea of God.

Argue with the premise and stop confusing yourself.

tintingz:
I was a Muslim and I'm arguing base on the Muslim concept of God which is found in the Qur'an.

The Quran is where the concept of the Muslim God is described, I still don't understand your point exactly.

You come here to defend Allah and again talking about some imaginary God in your head. Are you confused or what?



Well news flash dude, the thread here is talking about Allah the Muslim deity not your concept of your imaginary God.

Your level of intelligence is profound if this thread is talking to you all by itself.

To me, we are talking about whatever anyone posts in this thread, unless somewhere there's a rule that says you talk for everyone else!

Send me a copy of the memo please if there is one. I don't believe you and love to see evidence.

tintingz:
Oga the premise of my argument is talking about Allah the Muslim God not your idea of God.

Argue with the premise and stop confusing yourself.

Why should I throw away my God given brain and argue with some stupid premise you created in your own brain? Is that what you've been doing here? Chai! I will check to see if anyone has been stupid enough to argue your premises with you. It would be very interesting to see if God did not give them their own brains.

budaatum:
Why should I throw away my God given brain and argue with some stupid premise you created in your own brain? Is that what you've been doing here? Chai! I will check to see if anyone has been stupid enough to argue your premises with you. It would be very interesting to see if God did not give them their own brains.

Ok

budaatum:
Your level of intelligence is profound if this thread is talking to you all by itself.

To me, we are talking about whatever anyone posts in this thread, unless somewhere there's a rule that says you talk for everyone else!

Send me a copy of the memo please if there is one. I don't believe you and love to see evidence.

Sigh.

Ok.

tintingz:
Humans don't know the future therefore we can't know outcome of any test, that's why test exist in the first place, if we know the future then testing people will be meaningless!

If I know your future which is your fate, give me reasons why I should test you?

God knowing the future changes everything, he already knows your fate, your fate has been destined already, whatever decisions you make has been destined, you can't escape it, consciousness or freewill does not change your fate/destiny or does it?

The fact is that humans do not know the future, and they are the ones being tested. I'm sure you focus on passing your tests rather than focusing on whether your lecturer had made up his mind on failing you. Please do tell, does focusing on your lecturers decisions help you in any way?! Islam teaches that every soul shall get what he worked for and deserves, does this suggests that God puts people in hell arbitrarily without recourse to the person's activities in this world?! Why are you making things up in your head to justify your disbelieve?!

You should know that if you are already taking a test that you need to pass, you have no other choice than to obey the rules and make sure you do the things right! It is foolishness to start arguing why there is a test or if the test giver already knows the outcome and thus the test is meaningless. you would only be wasting your time, and failure therefore would be certain! This doesn't affect the test giver in anyway, your failure is yours alone!

God gave you a gift of intellect, the ability to reason and make decisions, if you tintingz end up in hell without going through this world and facing the tests, would it have been fair and just to you?! You are not a goat, or a tree, think! By the way, God has given you the equal opportunity to choose paradise or hell, your destiny or fate depends on your choices! Except, of course you can prove that you are not acting by your own accord, you do not even think about what you are doing, you are unconsciously and mindlessly acting and you are being forced to disbelieve and act as a disbeliever! If you can't, then you shouldn't bring this sort of argument about God's knowledge in relation to individual's conscious choices and decisions again!

sino:
The fact is that humans do not know the future, and they are the ones being tested. I'm sure you focus on passing your tests rather than focusing on whether your lecturer had made up his mind on failing you. Please do tell, does focusing on your lecturers decisions help you in any way?! Islam teaches that every soul shall get what he worked for and deserves, does this suggests that God puts people in hell arbitrarily without recourse to the person's activities in this world?! Why are you making things up in your head to justify your disbelieve?!

You should know that if you are already taking a test that you need to pass, you have no other choice than to obey the rules and make sure you do the things right! It is foolishness to start arguing why there is a test or if the test giver already knows the outcome and thus the test is meaningless. you would only be wasting your time, and failure therefore would be certain! This doesn't affect the test giver in anyway, your failure is yours alone!

God gave you a gift of intellect, the ability to reason and make decisions, if you tintingz end up in hell without going through this world and facing the tests, would it have been fair and just to you?! You are not a goat, or a tree, think! By the way, God has given you the equal opportunity to choose paradise or hell, your destiny or fate depends on your choices! Except, of course you can prove that you are not acting by your own accord, you do not even think about what you are doing, you are unconsciously and mindlessly acting and you are being forced to disbelieve and act as a disbeliever! If you can't, then you shouldn't bring this sort of argument about God's knowledge in relation to individual's conscious choices and decisions again!

Ok, before I was created does God knows my end? I mean 100% certain and in details?

tintingz:
Ok, before I was created does God knows my end? I mean 100% certain and in details?

You're too troublesome, tintingz.

aadoiza:
You're too troublesome, tintingz.

It's not my fault, I just want to get his logic.