Janosky:


shadeyinka:
Please ask him to show you
where I said that highlighted
in RED!
He is a liar like his father.

According to shadeyinka, " But like i said (ECWA) church doctrines don't define me"
, na Arabic u dey write for there?
Max is correct , oh lying Pharisees. The internet never forgets.

Since you live in lies and deception, you won't heed correction.

If Jehovah's witness watchtower organisation should suddenly wake up to support Homosexuality, You would follow suit because you whole Spiritual life is defined by them.

If ECWA governing organisation should suddenly wake up to support Homosexuality, I would NOT FOLLOW suit because my Spiritual life is NOT defined by them: it is defined by the Scriptures!

Gal 1:8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

If ECWA will wake up one day to preach another gospel other than that stated in the Scriptures let ECWA be accursed: I will not be part of another man/organisations iniquity.

A lie is a lie anywhere. QED!

shadeyinka:

Since you live in lies and deception, you won't heed correction.

If Jehovah's witness watchtower organisation should suddenly wake up to support Homosexuality, You would follow suit because you whole Spiritual life is defined by them.

If ECWA governing organisation should suddenly wake up to support Homosexuality, I would NOT FOLLOW suit because my Spiritual life is NOT defined by them: it is defined by the Scriptures!

Gal 1:8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

If ECWA will wake up one day to preach another gospel other than that stated in the Scriptures let ECWA be accursed: I will not be part of another man/organisations iniquity.

A lie is a lie anywhere. QED!

What God's word says if you found yourself in the midst of such people is 'take your leave'. Psalms 1:1-2
So there is no excuse for saying you worship where you can't vouch for the rules binding on all the members!
For your information that is what Jesus meant by Lawlessness or iniquity! Matthew 7:21-23
You can't commit a grievous sin in your ECWA and expect to be punished in another sect claiming Christians, so people leave one sect for another after committing serious blunders worth disfellowshiping! 1Corinthians 5:12-13
That is what God's people are telling you!
A married JW can't leave his/her marriage to worship Jehovah anywhere else because the new congregation will demand for the name of his former congregation, and write a letter to confirm if he/she is truly a Christian before declaring him/her as one of us to be welcomed by all brothers in any part of this planet.
But if what you're saying is anything to go by, then a member of your church can leave his wife and kids, and start a new life in another church close-by!

Maximus69
Janosky
TATIME

So many human beings are unknowingly living in LIES and Deliberate Fabricated DECEPTIONS. Unfortunately, these same people unfortunately convince themselves of the same lies even when the truth is painfully obvious and plain. Muslims till tomorrow believe vehemently that Mohammed is the last Prophet many are even willing to bomb themselves up for the sale of aljanna, so are the Mormons etc

Usually, every lie is based on the truth: no lie exist out of the blues but from the foundation of truth. However, a lie is NOT the truth because its aim is to MISREPRESENT the TRUTH as something it isn't.

Let's look just at one:
According to Jehovah's Witness Doctrine, Jesus was created first AND Jesus created ALL OTHER Things.

Col1:15-17 NWT
15 He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation;n 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,o whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through himp and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Not minding the all other things as put in the NWT edition.

When you compare with Gen 1:1
Gen 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The JWs says that God was acting like a CEO who says "I built this company from the ground up!" even though, we all know that the CEO used other agents like his lawyers, accountants, foremen, clerks etc.

On the surface, it looks like a very solid argument: God is the creator who employed the service of Jesus to create every other things (including the angels which include satan. Abi?)

Unfortunately, this argument break down when you read the same Genesis creation account. I will quote just a few accounts just to show that the above argument fail miserably.


Gen 1:3:
"And God said , Let there be light: and there was light."

Gen 1:6:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Gen 1:9:
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Gen 1:11:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Gen 1:14:
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

Gen 1:20:
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Gen 1:24:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Gen 1:26:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

For every time God SPOKE, Creation OCCURRED of the "so called OTHER THINGs"


As usual, you will have arguments and excuses: the implication is that God's WORD is powerless to create.

That is why God Created Everything BY HIS SPOKEN WORD:

John 1:1-3:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Arguments as usual: I leave you to your Watchtower Organisation Doctrines OR search out the Truth for yourselves. Don't be defined by any organisation except by God's words as revealed in the Scriptures.

TATIME:
What God's word says if you found yourself in the midst of such people is 'take your leave'. Psalms 1:1-2
So there is no excuse for saying you worship where you can't vouch for the rules binding on all the members!
For your information that is what Jesus meant by Lawlessness or iniquity! Matthew 7:21-23
You can't commit a grievous sin in your ECWA and expect to be punished in another sect claiming Christians, so people leave one sect for another after committing serious blunders worth disfellowshiping! 1Corinthians 5:12-13
That is what God's people are telling you!
A married JW can't leave his/her marriage to worship Jehovah anywhere else because the new congregation will demand for the name of his former congregation, and write a letter to confirm if he/she is truly a Christian before declaring him/her as one of us to be welcomed by all brothers in any part of this planet.
But if what you're saying is anything to go by, then a member of your church can leave his wife and kids, and start a new life in another church close-by!

You know what you are doing?
Burying falsehood under loads of information!

I have only re-echoed

Gal 1:8:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

As

"But though ECWA or any Church Organisation, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."


The apostles have said that your lives shouldn't be defined by them or any other person or personality but by the GOSPEL of CHRIST.

Paul is saying if/peradventure himself or any of the Apostles should somehow deviate from the Gospel of Christ, they become accursed! Not to be followed!

But in arrogance, you equate the JW Watchtower organisation as infallible, that which even the apostles didn't claim. Make the Scriptures your Standard NOT a human Organisation!

Emusan:


I already knew he's lying that's why I didn't give that part much attention.

He lied by rephrasing what the other man said!
(1) I worship with JWs but there doctrines doesn't define my own personal beliefs!
(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this two?
Lawlessness connotes a situation where there is no law binding on those within a community! Each person could form his own standard of right and wrong.
Is that not why all of you are arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another due to differences generating from each person's beliefs or analogy?
The only way to deceive your brother is when you say 'we're of same father, but my father's rules differs from your father's rule' is that not a bases for Lawlessness?
Instead of killing your own soul out of hatred for the TRUTH, why not just remain silent?
God is listening to all what everyone is saying regarding HIS righteous decrees, so don't just keep arguing with annoyance. Malachi 3:16
So think before you talk! James :19

budaatum:

I already live right opposite one with his very well behaved kids and nice wife. Their door is 8 feet from my own and we take parcels in for each other. I have jw muslim pagan christian rasta pasta atheists druggies buddhists drunks irish dogs cats all sorts in my block of 12 floors and 49 flats. All decent people.

Why am I having this conversation even! Tatime can tell you my score on the tatime test! He gave me a recommendation, look!

buda is not looking for teacher max!

You can't be a JW if you don't have teachers, that is why i quit discussing with you because it's obvious you just love the none denominational god and that is something detestable to JEHOVAH.
You must worship in harmony with all HIS true servants globally!
There is nothing like worshiping in isolation or worshiping just anywhere you find people claiming Christians in true Christianity!

TATIME:

You can't be a JW if you don't have teachers, that is why i quit discussing with you because it's obvious you just love the none denominational god and that is something detestable to JEHOVAH.
You must worship in harmony with all HIS true servants globally!
There is nothing like worshiping in isolation or worshiping just anywhere you find people claiming Christians in true Christianity!

Hello Tatime. buda had a teacher. Teacher was JW. Teacher test buda. Teacher scored buda. buda passed. And thus buda graduated, with just below honors, mind. Which buda contested but failed to get upgraded. Why should buda still be needing to be teachered Tatime?!

It was an online course so my certificate might just qualify me to be "Online JW" than can "worship in harmony with all HIS true servants globally" on here anytime I want. I'm not ogbologbo JW like your own who must see the people you worship with and now worships in isolation and not with us. With my own, whenever I want to worship with people in their homes, like I have been lately, I just open the door and write inside their brains where they can't not let me in.

(See Max, didn't I say if I yell loud enough he will hear me?)

I have transcripts, Tat! I'm even considering applying for a Masters. I hear there's no teaching at that level. I might like that. What do you think? Advise me please.

I don't know why you guys are just spamming my mention

TATIME:
He lied by rephrasing what the other man said!

Now you called it rephrase but to him is a QUOTE
I don't know when you guys will one day openly accept your error and apologize but always try to be superhuman who can't make mistakes.

(1) I worship with JWs but there their doctrines doesn't don't define my own personal beliefs!
(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this these two?

Even you that want to correct and proof Mr ITK still continue the lie
He didn't say "their doctrines didn't define my own personal BELIEFS" but "their doctrines didn't define ME"

You're a Nigerian but does Nigeria constitution define you? Hypocrite!

I don't believe ALL THEIR TEACHINGS isn't even synonymous to THEIR DOCTRINES DON'T DEFINE me not to talk of equating them.

Lawlessness connotes a situation where there is no law binding on those within a community! Each person could form his own standard of right and wrong.
Is that not why all of you are arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another due to differences generating from each person's beliefs or analogy?
The only way to deceive your brother is when you say 'we're of same father, but my father's rules differs from your father's rule' is that not a bases for Lawlessness?
Instead of killing your own soul out of hatred for the TRUTH, why not just remain silent?
God is listening to all what everyone is saying regarding HIS righteous decrees, so don't just keep arguing with annoyance. Malachi 3:16
So think before you talk! James :19

Do you all do these things hypocrite

budaatum:

Hello Tatime. buda had a teacher. Teacher was JW. Teacher test buda. Teacher scored buda. buda passed. And thus buda graduated, with just below honors, mind. Which buda contested but failed to get upgraded. Why should buda still be needing to be teachered Tatime?!

It was an online course so my certificate might just qualify me to be "Online JW" than can "worship in harmony with all HIS true servants globally" on here anytime I want. I'm not ogbologbo JW like your own who must see the people you worship with and now worships in isolation and not with us. With my own, whenever I want to worship with people in their homes, like I have been lately, I just open the door and write inside their brains where they can't not let me in.

(See Max, didn't I say if I yell loud enough he will hear me?)

I have transcripts, Tat! I'm even considering applying for a Masters. I hear there's no teaching at that level. I might like that. What do you think? Advise me please.

Jehovah's Witnesses are all learners from an interested person to the President of Watchtower! Matthew 23:8
So all of us have just one teacher "JESUS"
The only way to prove yourself a real JW is by remaining in the congregation of fellow JWs, listening to encouraging talks delivered by each assigned speaker under the direction of God's holy spirit, commenting during our Christian meeting to encourage other Christians and visiting your neighbours in their home to share the good news!
We will continue to learn until Christ's 1,000 years ends, that is when we will be tested as fully examined if we truly worth to live forever! That is why Revelation 20:5 says about all those who aren't born again "the rest of the dead DID NOT COME TO LIVE until the 1,000 years were ended"
Until we become Holy{Perfect} we must continue to learn from Jesus but after the 1,000 years, we will become perfect, then nobody will teach his neighbour anymore! Jeremiah 31:34

You know buda. The buda who would rather go up the mountain to learn from God in case Moses and his 70, in their old age, come down from the mountain and get it all wrong. After all, the Kingdom is built with the wisdom of old and the knowledge of the young, the Kingdom of Ifẹ, at least.

Online JW. Valid for 1000 years! I have a scorecard and a recommendation from a reputable good standing JW that says so!

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses are all learners from an interested person to the President of Watchtower! Matthew 23:8
So all of us have just one teacher "JESUS"
The only way to prove yourself a real JW is by remaining in the congregation of fellow JWs, listening to encouraging talks delivered by each assigned speaker under the direction of God's holy spirit, commenting during our Christian meeting to encourage other Christians and visiting your neighbours in their home to share the good news!
We will continue to learn until Christ's 1,000 years ends, that is when we will be tested as fully examined if we truly worth to live forever! That is why Revelation 20:5 says about all those who aren't born again "the rest of the dead DID NOT COME TO LIVE until the 1,000 years were ended"
Until we become Holy{Perfect} we must continue to learn from Jesus but after the 1,000 years, we will become perfect, then nobody will teach his neighbour anymore! Jeremiah 31:34

TATIME:
He lied by rephrasing what the other man said!

Exactly just as satan through the serpent rephrased the instruction of God and to Adam and Eve!

TATIME:

(1) I worship with JWs but there doctrines doesn't define my own personal beliefs!
(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this two?

Big difference sir!
(1) I worship with JWs but there doctrines doesn't define my own personal beliefs!
It simply means that if, when, if ever or whenever JW teachings deviate from the standard yardstick the Scriptures I will go with what the Scriptures teach.


(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this two?
This is affirmative: It's not the case of if, when, if ever or whenever JW Doctrine deviate it is a knowing that they have deviated from the Scriptures.
This is affirmative: That I don't agree with some of JW doctrines even though I worship with them.

Except you know a single ECWA doctrine that I don't agree with!

Even then, that wasn't what I said:
I said "Church doctrines (it doesn't even matter what the denomination is) don't define me: what defines me is my understanding of the Scriptures. Check the attached pix

TATIME:


Lawlessness connotes a situation where there is no law binding on those within a community! Each person could form his own standard of right and wrong.
Is that not why all of you are arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another due to differences generating from each person's beliefs or analogy?
The only way to deceive your brother is when you say 'we're of same father, but my father's rules differs from your father's rule' is that not a bases for Lawlessness?
Instead of killing your own soul out of hatred for the TRUTH, why not just remain silent?
God is listening to all what everyone is saying regarding HIS righteous decrees, so don't just keep arguing with annoyance. Malachi 3:16
So think before you talk! James :19

I have no comments on this: it down concern me!

Emusan:
I don't know why you guys are just spamming my mention



Now you called it rephrase but to him is a QUOTE
I don't know when you guys will one day openly accept your error and apologize but always try to be superhuman who can't make mistakes.



Even you that want to correct and proof Mr ITK still continue the lie
He didn't say "their doctrines didn't define my own personal BELIEFS" but "their doctrines didn't define ME"

You're a Nigerian but does Nigeria constitution define you? Hypocrite!

I don't believe ALL THEIR TEACHINGS isn't even synonymous to THEIR DOCTRINES DON'T DEFINE me not to talk of equating them.



Do you all do these things hypocrite

You only need to calm down before you can understand what i am saying!
For instance, i live in Nigeria but by faith i'm not a Nigerian because i'm squatting as a none citizen amongst those who believes they're Nigerians! John 17:14-16
You should have asked me first if i am a Nigerian with all my heart, soul and strength.{National Anthem} Rather than asking and concluding in my behalf.
Well note that JWs don't recite the Anthem or Pledge to any Country because we're citizens of God's kingdom, NOT of this system of things where you will recite the Anthem and Pledge but all that is in the constitution of the country doesn't define you!
Our pledge is to God's kingdom, note that JWs globally have one government, for your information Russia is persecuting JWs because they notice that once a person becomes a JW his allegiance is no more to the state but to the organization! Daniel 3:1-18

shadeyinka:

Exactly just as satan through the serpent rephrased the instruction of God and to Adam and Eve!




Big difference sir!
(1) I worship with JWs but there doctrines doesn't define my own personal beliefs!
It simply means that if, when, if ever or whenever JW teachings deviate from the standard yardstick the Scriptures I will go with what the Scriptures teach.


(2) I worship with JWs but i don't believe all their teachings!
Please what's the difference between this two?
This is affirmative: It's not the case of if, when, if ever or whenever JW Doctrine deviate it is a knowing that they have deviated from the Scriptures.
This is affirmative: That I don't agree with some of JW doctrines even though I worship with them.

Except you know a single ECWA doctrine that I don't agree with!

Even then, that wasn't what I said:
I said "Church doctrines (it doesn't even matter what the denomination is) don't define me: what defines me is my understanding of the Scriptures. Check the attached pix



I have no comments on this: it down concern me!

Well Jesus said give Caesar's things to Ceasar and God's things to God! Matthew 22:21
Caesar was the world ruler during Jesus' time, so what are his things?
Apostle Paul explains @ Romans 13:1-6
What are God's things?
Jesus explains @ Mark 12:29-30
Then if you're worshiping that same God Jesus is talking about, it must be a wholesome devotion NOT in the midst of those you aren't going to vouch for all the tenets of such worship!
Of course you can do that to Caesar {world politicians} but God won't take such half hearted devotion from you!

shadeyinka:

[b]Except you know a single ECWA doctrine that I don't agree with!

Even then, that wasn't what I said:
I said "Church doctrines (it doesn't even matter what the denomination is) don't define me: what defines me is my understanding of the Scriptures. Check the attached pix

This means you're mocking your god because even when Elijah told God that he is the only true worshiper remaining, God told him 'there are still more hiding'
So if they're not hiding, do you think Elijah wouldn't know them?
If you can't vouch for the doctrine of any church, it simply means there is none worth vouching for which is tantamount to saying all the religious sects around you have flaws! So God can't ORGANISE his own people just as HE did back then with ancient Israel shey?
Note that the Israelite often do things detestable before HIM but that never means HE will now accept worships from other races! John 4:22
God has NEVER approved two different types of worship, even during the time of Cain and Abel HE has HIS choice {Genesis 4:3-5}
During the time of Elijah HE had a choice! 1Kings 18:21
So instead of arguing that God must accept all forms of worship none of which you yourself can vouch for, why not seek for where meekness and righteousness could be found? Zephaniah 2:2-3

TATIME:
Well Jesus said give Caesar's things to Ceasar and God's things to God! Matthew 22:21
Caesar was the world ruler during Jesus' time, so what are his things?
Apostle Paul explains @ Romans 13:1-6
What are God's things?
Jesus explains @ Mark 12:29-30
Then if you're worshiping that same God Jesus is talking about, it must be a wholesome devotion NOT in the midst of those you aren't going to vouch for all the tenets of such worship!
Of course you can do that to Caesar {world politicians} but God won't take such half hearted devotion from you!

Mat 22:21:
"They say to him, Caesar's. Then said he to them, Render therefore to Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

In context, this would mean:
"Then said he to them, Render therefore to JW Organisation the things which are theirs; and to God the things that are God's."

What the Scriptures advocate is:
1. Being like the Berean Christians

Acts 17:11:
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

The Bereans were more noble because they didn't just swallow up doctrines BUT the searched the Scriptures daily to check conformity.

2. Testing all Doctrines:
1Jn 4:1:
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

You seem not to understand the what constitutes the Church of Christ. It isn't any denomination or fellowship

Mar 9:38:
"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in your name, and he follows not us: and we forbade him, because he follows not us."


What was Jesus's response to His Disciples?

Worship of f God is to be done in Spirit and in Truth
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Worship and Devotion to God is not about uniformity in dressing, mode of worship, or any of those external things we do as part of worship. If you worship God not in Spirit and in Truth, every other physical act of worship is useless.

shadeyinka:
Maximus69
Janosky
TATIME

So many human beings are unknowingly living in LIES and Deliberate Fabricated DECEPTIONS. Unfortunately, these same people unfortunately convince themselves of the same lies even when the truth is painfully obvious and plain. Muslims till tomorrow believe vehemently that Mohammed is the last Prophet many are even willing to bomb themselves up for the sale of aljanna, so are the Mormons etc

Usually, every lie is based on the truth: no lie exist out of the blues but from the foundation of truth. However, a lie is NOT the truth because its aim is to MISREPRESENT the TRUTH as something it isn't.

Let's look just at one:
According to Jehovah's Witness Doctrine, Jesus was created first AND Jesus created ALL OTHER Things.

Col1:15-17 NWT
15 He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation;n 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,o whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through himp and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Not minding the all other things as put in the NWT edition.

When you compare with Gen 1:1
Gen 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The JWs says that God was acting like a CEO who says "I built this company from the ground up!" even though, we all know that the CEO used other agents like his lawyers, accountants, foremen, clerks etc.

On the surface, it looks like a very solid argument: God is the creator who employed the service of Jesus to create every other things (including the angels which include satan. Abi?)

Unfortunately, this argument break down when you read the same Genesis creation account. I will quote just a few accounts just to show that the above argument fail miserably.


Gen 1:3:
"And God said , Let there be light: and there was light."

Gen 1:6:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Gen 1:9:
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Gen 1:11:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Gen 1:14:
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

Gen 1:20:
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Gen 1:24:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Gen 1:26:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

For every time God SPOKE, Creation OCCURRED of the "so called OTHER THINGs"


As usual, you will have arguments and excuses: the implication is that God's WORD is powerless to create.

That is why God Created Everything BY HIS SPOKEN WORD:

John 1:1-3:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Arguments as usual: I leave you to your Watchtower Organisation Doctrines OR search out the Truth for yourselves. Don't be defined by any organisation except by God's words as revealed in the Scriptures.

Just as Max said earlier, this case is resolved!
You belong to the association of people who are saying "there is no worship that is 100% pure,we just worship indiscriminately as long as we're please with whatever they say" that is the conclusion of your write-up.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "come and join the one and only worship that's pure"
So there's no need insisting or arguing that the one claiming he worships where the doctrines have 100% guarantee, must keep quiet! Act 5:28
If you're sure there is no place of worship that you can stand for as the one and only, just make your own presentation. And leave the one who claims to know where the only authentic worship that's pure could be found to make his own presentation too.
After all there will be individuals who will agree with you on no 100% pure worship center, and there will also be individuals who will agree that it is somewhere! Proverbs 2: 3-5

TATIME:
This means you're mocking your god because even when Elijah told God that he is the only true worshiper remaining, God told him 'there are still more hiding'

I hope it wasn't deliberate your use of the word 'god' rather than "God"! If it was deliberate, then you aren't better than atheists on Nairaland.

TATIME:

So if they're not hiding, do you think Elijah wouldn't know them?
If you can't vouch for the doctrine of any church, it simply means there is none worth vouching for which is tantamount to saying all the religious sects around you have flaws! So God can't ORGANISE his own people just as HE did back then with ancient Israel shey?
Note that the Israelite often do things detestable before HIM but that never means HE will now accept worships from other races! John 4:22

How would you know because your organisation forgot to teach you also that


2Kin 5:17-19:
"And Naaman said, Shall there not then, I pray you, be given to your servant two mules' burden of earth? for your servant will from now on offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice to other gods, but to the LORD. In this thing the LORD pardon your servant, that when my master goes into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon: when I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon your servant in this thing. And he said to him, Go in peace. So he departed from him a little way."

Dan 4:34,37:
"And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honored him that lives for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: … Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase."


Num 9:14:
"And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover to the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: you shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land."

I have just showed you examples

TATIME:

God has NEVER approved two different types of worship, even during the time of Cain and Abel HE has HIS choice {Genesis 4:3-5}
During the time of Elijah HE had a choice! 1Kings 18:21
So instead of arguing that God must accept all forms of worship none of which you yourself can vouch for, why not seek for where meekness and righteousness could be found? Zephaniah 2:2-3

Why did God reject the sacrifice of Cain?

Was it because he offered he offered the fruit from the ground?

Gen 4:3: "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering to the LORD."

Gen 4:5: "But to Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."

Worship is not by any mode: worship should be done in spirit and in truth. Don't forget that the Grail Message Adherent and the Mormons also have their mode of worship.

The Jehovah's Witness/Watchtower Organisation has been used to replace the Scriptures: I fear for you!

TATIME:
Just as Max said earlier, this case is resolved!
You belong to the association of people who are saying "there is no worship that is 100% pure,we just worship indiscriminately as long as we're please with whatever they say" that is the conclusion of your write-up.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "come and join the one and only worship that's pure"
So there's no need insisting or arguing that the one claiming he worships where the doctrines have 100% guarantee, must keep quiet! Act 5:28
If you're sure there is no place of worship that you can stand for as the one and only, just make your own presentation. And leave the one who claims to know where the only authentic worship that's pure could be found to make his own presentation too.
After all there will be individuals who will agree with you on no 100% pure worship center, and there will also be individuals who will agree that it is somewhere! Proverbs 2: 3-5

Not surprised at your response!
John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

shadeyinka:


Mat 22:21:
"They say to him, Caesar's. Then said he to them, Render therefore to Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

In context, this would mean:
"Then said he to them, Render therefore to JW Organisation the things which are theirs; and to God the things that are God's."

What the Scriptures advocate is:
1. Being like the Berean Christians

Acts 17:11:
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

The Bereans were more noble because they didn't just swallow up doctrines BUT the searched the Scriptures daily to check conformity.

2. Testing all Doctrines:
1Jn 4:1:
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

You seem not to understand the what constitutes the Church of Christ. It isn't any denomination or fellowship

Mar 9:38:
"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in your name, and he follows not us: and we forbade him, because he follows not us."


What was Jesus's response to His Disciples?

Worship of f God is to be done in Spirit and in Truth
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Worship and Devotion to God is not about uniformity in dressing, mode of worship, or any of those external things we do as part of worship. If you worship God not in Spirit and in Truth, every other physical act of worship is useless.

Haaaaa!
No wonder Maximus kept asking for simple presentations!
Ok let me explain the applications of the scriptures you just quoted!
(1) Bereans were checking the scriptures NOT relying on the miracles performed by the christians before they agreed that christianity is the new worship God accepts no more Judaism which all of them knew before as the worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thessalonians on the other hand accepted everything without delay as they're seeing the signs and wonders performed by christians!
(2) False prophets and teachers are teaching heresy so christians must watch out so that they don't agree with all sorts of teachings simply because such preacher performs signs{which could be the only reason to convince a christian}
(3)John and others saw a Christian doing the works Jesus sent them to do but they felt he is not one of the 12 so Jesus corrected them that there is need for more workers in the field. It is wrong to stop him when christianity has not yet been fully established, but after the anointing of the holy spirit nobody could operate as a christian without the group!
(4) Worship in spirit means you won't recognise true worshipers by their appearance not name but by the fruit of the holy spirit as this becomes evident in whatever they do, worship in truth means you must all be saying the same thing which God's spirit will be directing you to in the word of God as authorisation. Not when A says one thing B criticises and you're claiming it is the TRUTH!
2+2=4 in any part of the earth because that's the truth.
Tomorrow there could be advancement in mathematics so that 2+2 could bring something else but for the main time the answer is 4. So if it is the truth, all mathematicians from East, West, North and South will arrive at the same answer!

shadeyinka:

Not surprised at your response!
John 3:19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

The light is powerful enough to make people see their kind, i believe if there is light somewhere those gathering there will be able to say "we're dressed the same way" Revelation 7:13
It is those in the dark that can never see the true colour of the dresses the person standing next to them is putting on! Matthew 6:23
If you're worshiping in a place and you're not 100% sure of the doctrines of your place of worship, but still looking onto other forms of worship around, DO YOU TRUTHFULLY HAVE THE LIGHT?
Jesus said the light will be standing where every eyes can see it, He even said Christians are the light of the world. So if there is no form of Christianity that is 100% light, please how could that be seen just as Jesus illustrated?

TATIME:
Haaaaa!
No wonder Maximus kept asking for simple presentations!
Ok let me explain the applications of the scriptures you just quoted!
(1) Bereans were checking the scriptures NOT relying on the miracles performed by the christians before they agreed that christianity is the new worship God accepts no more Judaism which all of them knew before as the worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thessalonians on the other hand accepted everything without delay as they're seeing the signs and wonders performed by christians!
(2) False prophets and teachers are teaching heresy so christians must watch out so that they don't agree with all sorts of teachings simply because such preacher performs signs{which could be the only reason to convince a christian}
(3)John and others saw a Christian doing the works Jesus sent them to do but they felt he is not one of the 12 so Jesus corrected them that there is need for more workers in the field. It is wrong to stop him when christianity has not yet been fully established, but after the anointing of the holy spirit nobody could operate as a christian without the group!

Can you please justify the RED highlight with a Scripture?

TATIME:

(4) Worship in spirit means you won't recognise true worshipers by their appearance not name but by the fruit of the holy spirit as this becomes evident in whatever they do, worship in truth means you must all be saying the same thing which God's spirit will be directing you to in the word of God as authorisation. Not when A says one thing B criticises and you're claiming it is the TRUTH!
2+2=4 in any part of the earth because that's the truth.
Tomorrow there could be advancement in mathematics so that 2+2 could bring something else but for the main time the answer is 4. So if it is the truth, all mathematicians from East, West, North and South will arrive at the same answer!

Worship in spirit is exactly opposite to worship in the flesh. It doesn't have anything to do with outward uniformity but an inward uniformity which is based on harmony with the spirit of God.

See how you smuggled in harmony with JW doctrine rather than God.

So the question still remains: Can you please give a Scripture or scriptures that establishes the JW organisation as the sole authority for unifying believers?

TATIME:
The light is powerful enough to make people see their kind, i believe if there is light somewhere those gathering there will be able to say "we're dressed the same way" Revelation 7:13
It is those in the dark that can never see the true colour of the dresses the person standing next to them is putting on! Matthew 6:23
If you're worshiping in a place and you're not 100% sure of the doctrines of your place of worship, but still looking onto other forms of worship around, DO YOU TRUTHFULLY HAVE THE LIGHT?
Jesus said the light will be standing where every eyes can see it, He even said Christians are the light of the world. So if there is no form of Christianity that is 100% light, please how could that be seen just as Jesus illustrated?

If the apostles can say

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."s far as you are concerned, the Light is the JW organisation!

Then your organisation is an imposture!

Each Christian is a light NOT an organisation! Check your bible!
Interestingly there are proofs to show that your organisation isn't 100% the light of Christ because they have made failed and false prophecies before.

Deut 18:20-22 ESV
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously

That is your 100% light.


For me, Jesus is my Light

John 8:12:
"Then spoke Jesus again to them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

John 9:5:
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

And He has also made me a light.

shadeyinka:

Can you please justify the RED highlight with a Scripture?



Worship in spirit is exactly opposite to worship in the flesh. It doesn't have anything to do with outward uniformity but an inward uniformity which is based on harmony with the spirit of God.

See how you smuggled in harmony with JW doctrine rather than God.

So the question still remains: Can you please give a Scripture or scriptures that establishes the JW organisation as the sole authority for unifying believers?

(1) After the Christians have been sealed with God's holy spirit at pentecost 33ce, whoever is coming to Christ can't do so unless such a person first get in touch with the Apostles(GROUP)!
*Act 2:37-40 (baptised in the name of Jesus Christ by the hands and authorisation of the Apostles who are now leading the GROUP)
*Act 8:18-24 (Simon offered money because he saw that the holy spirit ONLY come upon those getting in touch with the GROUP)
*Act 9:1-19 (Paul must join the GROUP, learn from them and baptised by them before receiving the holy spirit)
*Act 10:1-48 ( God's angel asked Cornelius to go and meet Peter "GROUP'S leader" to learn what Christianity meant from them)
Your second question is not important since you don't believe in the authorisation of just one single group!
That one is for those who feels the need for the one and only pure worship, and we will teach them how we come to know of it.
But regarding the compulsion of a GROUP operating as the only source of divine guidance, it's like i have presented enough scriptures for that!

shadeyinka:

If the apostles can say

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."s far as you are concerned, the Light is the JW organisation!

Then your organisation is an IMPOSTOR!

Each Christian is a light NOT an organisation! Check your bible!
Interestingly there are proofs to show that your organisation isn't 100% the light of Christ because they have made failed and false prophecies before.

Deut 18:20-22 ESV
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously

That is your 100% light.


For me, Jesus is my Light

John 8:12:
"Then spoke Jesus again to them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

John 9:5:
"As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

And He has also made me a light.

Please i am just making a simple presentation to buttress the point that i have found the only GROUP worshiping God.
It has not come to name calling? Matthew 27:63
Why can't you just make simple presentations of your beliefs without accusing, insulting or name calling?
If you claim to be that light that Jesus talked about it's ok, i'm sure right hearted people will notice it!
Thanks Sir!

@shadeyinka
I have noticed several times some people do refer to the seven churches in Asia as different from one another!
That is because almost all the Apostles monitoring the organization globally have been killed by then and John who happens to write the book of Revelation has been banished to the isle of Patmos. Revelation 1:9
So Jesus NEVER dealt directly with those Christians as most people are expecting him to do today. Rather Jesus kept correcting the congregations through the last standing member of the 12 leading His organization "Apostle John"!

shadeyinka:

If the apostles can say

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."s far as you are concerned, the Light is the JW organisation!

Then your organisation is an imposture!

Each Christian is a light NOT an organisation! Check your bible!
Interestingly there are proofs to show that your organisation isn't 100% the light of Christ because they have made failed and false prophecies before.

You're a Pharisee to quarrel with the word "Organization".
** Matt 9:36
When Jesus saw the crowds he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep with out a shepherd".

The people of Jesus day were disorganized and helpless with out direction, their yan*h no dey stay one place. Dem no get leadership.

** But Jesus is the Shepherd who provides solid leadership for his sheep.
" I am the good shepherd I know my sheep and my sheep knows me"
"My sheep listens to my voice ;I know them, and they follow me"
John 10:14,27.
That's Organization in practice, under the leadership of Jesus Christ.
** Jesus followers were
an organized group, therefore, an Organization.
Acts 15:1-30, 2:42-47 should teach you sense.

You're a Pharisee, you seek solace in any church where your belle face, any church with diverse, conflicting doctrines, as long as them pretend to call Jesus....
omo ,you're lost , like the crowds in Jesus day.

TATIME:
Please i am just making a simple presentation to buttress the point that i have found the only GROUP worshiping God.
It has not come to name calling? Matthew 27:63
Why can't you just make simple presentations of your beliefs without accusing, insulting or name calling?
If you claim to be that light that Jesus talked about it's ok, i'm sure right hearted people will notice it!
Thanks Sir!

Please don't refer to this your group again to me. They are enslaving bunch of wolves in sheep skin. It's your business if you choose to hinge your salvation on them instead of the gospel of Christ.

Mat 16:18:
"And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

The church of Christ is ONE irrespective of the denomination as long as Christ is preached.

TATIME:
@shadeyinka
I have noticed several times some people do refer to the seven churches in Asia as different from one another!
That is because almost all the Apostles monitoring the organization globally have been killed by then and John who happens to write the book of Revelation has been banished to the isle of Patmos. Revelation 1:9
So Jesus NEVER dealt directly with those Christians as most people are expecting him to do today. Rather Jesus kept correcting the congregations through the last standing member of the 12 leading His organization "Apostle John"!

There were far much more than seven churches in Asia: Jesus only choose to speak to seven in the prominent cities of Asia.

I wonder where you got the bolded from?!

Janosky:

You're a Pharisee to quarrel with the word "Organization".
** Matt 9:36
When Jesus saw the crowds he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep with out a shepherd".

The people of Jesus day were disorganized and helpless with out direction, their yan*h no dey stay one place. Dem no get leadership.

** But Jesus is the Shepherd who provides solid leadership for his sheep.
" I am the good shepherd I know my sheep and my sheep knows me"
"My sheep listens to my voice ;I know them, and they follow me"
John 10:14,27.
That's Organization in practice, under the leadership of Jesus Christ.
** Jesus followers were
an organized group, therefore, an Organization.
Acts 15:1-30, 2:42-47 should teach you sense.

You're a Pharisee, you seek solace in any church where your belle face, any church with diverse, conflicting doctrines, as long as them pretend to call Jesus....
omo ,you're lost , like the crowds in Jesus day.

You are far much worse than any Pharisee! At least some Pharisees like Paul were Born again.

Luk 13:31: "The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying to him, Get you out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill you."

John 3:1: "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:"

Acts 23:6: "But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question."

Acts 26:5: "Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most strait sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee."

BUT:
You are a hopeless Sadducee!
Jesus even neglected them for much of His ministry: because like you, they are confirmed candidates of hell! There exist not even one good Sadducee in the Scriptures: they are all corruptly bad and irredeemable .


Satanic group called Watchtower Organisation of the JW sealing the door of salvation to many. Get the behind me satan!

shadeyinka:

Please don't refer to this your group again to me. They are enslaving bunch of wolves in sheep skin. It's your business if you choose to hinge your salvation on them instead of the gospel of Christ.

Mat 16:18:
"And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

The church of Christ is ONE irrespective of the denomination as long as Christ is preached.


There were far much more than seven churches in Asia: Jesus only choose to speak to seven in the prominent cities of Asia.

I wonder where you got the bolded from?!

That is why we are saying only our organization have the TRUTH!
All the Apostles including Paul died before 90ce, John only survived because Jesus promised to reveal some sacred secrets to the congregation through John. John 21:22-23
You need to make research to know how and when the Apostles died, so that all of these won't be strange to you!

Thanks buda for this historical research!
All of these is of no use to the so called born agains of nowadays, all they just want to hear is that whatever Jesus talked about with a tone of favoritism belongs to them!
So instead of going for further research to fully grasp what actually happened back then, they are claiming Jesus is speaking to each of them in person. And to worsen the matter, their so called Revelations contradicts one another, yet they're still claiming God purposely arranged it like that!
Therefore any insinuation of one single channel infiltrates the fury in them as they just want everyone to keep saying "even though we continue contradicting ourselves, it is well in Jesus name"

budaatum: