realmindz:


I think those who put their brains into use to discover and innovate great things in this world are better to be called the true sons of God than the noise makers who do nothing but worship...

Now let me say,

Some people have put their brains to use to make the world a better place for us, better means of communication, transportation, health care facilities...etc

The cure for malaria was never found in the church but in the lab, they made the world better not tru prayers and worship but putting their brain to use.

If possible a miracle of the blind seeing, or lame working, or deaf hearing....the only possible place this miracle will happen will be througb scientific research and in the lab not through prayer and never church....



Thank you science, if at all I will dedicate my life to anything, it won't be to worship a God that does not need my worship but to discover the work of that GOD to make the world a better place... I have dedicated my life to realistic and practical approach...


Let me continue, a friend invited me to his church programme with a theme "breaking generational curses" . Then I asked him, what are generational curses? Perhaps, a health problem.. Do you know that sickle cell, epilepsy etc were once seen as demonic possession and generational curses....
Well the cure to these supposed curses did not come from church but miracle of scientific research... Yes, those who went to study have broken these curses not prayers warriors..
....

realmindz:
Nice topic, I was about creating same when I saw this one, all heads are connected .

Now let me add to this,
I've asked religious people severally;
If the following miracle were ever to occur, where will the happen, the church or medical science approach

1. A blind man seeing
2. a deaf man hearing
3. An amputee growing back a limb.

We all know these miracles don't happen no where else other than scientific approach.

Church miracles are staged otherwise it would be reported on CNN.

The best solution/miracles with evidences and facts we have gotten so far today are all through medical researches not prayer warriors

paxonel:
Is there truly competition between religion and science?
I don't think so.

Rather they compliment each other.

Science is there for inventions, religion is there to keep the mind and spirit with God.
So, both have their different roles to play.

Actually, they contradict themselves... Religion is based on myths and falsified histories.

For example, the creation story contradicts scientific facts.

Talking of four corners of the earth or pillars of
the earth is a flat earth theory,,

Saying the moon is a light to rule the night contradict the fact that the moon does not have a light of its own.

Plants were created before the sun

The flood story is an insult to science in all aspect.

The book of revelation speaks of falling stars,

paxonel:
Is there truly competition between religion and science?
I don't think so.

Rather they compliment each other.

Science is there for inventions, religion is there to keep the mind and spirit with God.
So, both have their different roles to play.

OtemAtum:

Science studies nature, which is a part of God Almighty, thereby keeping our minds and spirits with God Almighty (the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE).

paxonel:
ehe?
Tell me something.
no, it does not.
Can you prove that?
no, it isn't a flat earth theory.
Flat earth theory was the idea of ancient Roman catholic.
Four corners of the earth was how primitive humans could imagine what the earth looks like without the thought of it being a sphere or flat. It shows that people who documented scriptures at that period were never educated enough to know how the earth looks like.
what do you expect primitive humans to say when they saw the moon glowing at night?
Being primitive not to understand can never be said to be contradiction. It's like you are saying because a growing baby sees aeroplane flying just like birds are flying and therefore calls the aeroplane bird, then the baby is contradicting himself.
The baby does not know anything, he is still growing up and learning.
you did not see this one in the bible, it's not there.
that science teaches that flood cannot occur in nature?
falling stars are figurative language, it means a state of darkness. It does not necessarily mean that stars are falling to the earth

OtemAtum:


Religion is not keeping mind and spirit with God, rather, it's keeping your mind and spirit with some past beings. For example, Christianity will keep your mind and spirit with Yahweh, who died some years back, while Islam will keep your mind and spirit with Allah(Abd Allah) who died some years back too. Science studies nature, which is a part of God Almighty, thereby keeping our minds and spirits with God Almighty (the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE).

realmindz:



At the bolded , you have said it all and that proves that the Bible is anti science

built on myths and exaggerated stories.

So why should we listen to a book written by people with cave men knowledge? Why should you devote your life to such ancient book when modern discoveries have taken over

paxonel:
we are still saying the same thing. Only that you are trying to exclude Yahweh and Allah for whatever reason i do not know.

OtemAtum:
We are not saying the same thing, having the knowledge of Atom which is the smallest particle of an element that can take part in a chemical reaction is more than a quintillion times greater than studying Yahweh and Allah combined. He who studies Atom (no matter how small it is) is capable of inventing many things more than he who study Yahweh and Allah all the rest of his life. Therefore the CONCENTRATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY in a substance as little as Atom is a googleplex times more than the concentration of God Almighty in Yahweh and Allah combined.

Religion is not keeping mind and spirit with God, rather, it's keeping your mind and spirit with some past beings.

paxonel:

ok,

To you, are these past beings spirits or physical beings?

Niflheim:
@OtemAtum,

This is a very powerful post!!! Do you remember David Koresh? His members worshipped him as the son of god(until the FBI killed him in a barnyard inferno)!!!

Have you heard of "OSHO"? Till today, his members insist that he never died, and that he was never born, because he always existed and he has gone to exist in another planet!!!

This is how religions start!!!

OtemAtum:

They were spiritual when they were in the spiritual realms. They were physical when they were on the planet earth. They died and became spiritual beings again.

You(Paxonel) were spiritual when you were in the spiritual realms(before you were brought into this earth consciousness). You are now physical as you are in this physical realm. Whenever you die, you will become a spiritual being again.

Now compare the two(you and them) and you will find out that there is no difference between you and Yahweh or Allah.

However, the only difference they made was that when they were on earth like you, they made people to worship them as God Almighty. Then after they were dead, people continued to worship them as God Almighty such that today many people now thought of them as God Almighty while they don't even come near.

If Olumba Olumba, Haille Selassie,Reverend King, Sat Guru Maharaji, Malaika, etc can have millions of worshippers after their death, then it won't be a shock when these people mentioned above become the 'God Almighty' to humans of the future, same way Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu etc who are past dead beings have now become the 'God Almighty' to some people today.

paxonel:
ok,
All you are saying is that Yahweh and Allah currently are spiritual beings because they have died?
And the concentration of God almighty in atoms is much more than spirits like Yahweh and Allah.

Is God almighty spirit or physical?

OtemAtum:


God ALMIGHTY is the totality of Existence. If God Almighty is just physical, then it is smaller than Existence itself because Existence is beyond physical. If God Almighty is just Spiritual, then it is smaller than Existence because Existence is more than Spiritual .
God Almighty is the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE and we are all minute parts of this Existence, that's why I always refer to everyone as gods.


Here is the History of How Yahweh Performed on Earth During his last incarnation on earth


B.C.E 16:34- 37


34. Now the rulership of Mosheh(Yahweh) was harsh. He manifested all the attributes of Yahweh whom he really was, for he killed many people who worked on the last day of the week, saying, it is evil against Yahweh. He killed also the worshipper of Sin, Baalim and Moloch in multitude, saying that they were abominable people.He also killed the blind, lame, hunch backed and all forms of disabled people, because he hated them from within.
35. He killed those who refused circumcision also and he ordered war against those who worship Asherah, the one whom they called the queen of heaven. He tried hard to replace the name ‘El’ with ‘Yahweh’ in many texts of the tablets and papyri, but he could not, for many were already attached to the name ‘El’ as ‘God Almighty’. 36. Now Mosheh(Yahweh) fell sick, so he went far from his land, saying, I shall not die where I shall be seen. So he cast himself in the red sea and died there, placing a tablet over his chest so that he could sink in the river. And on the tablet was written: I am YHWH, the God Almighty. 37. Then a man named Oshea found the corpse of mosheh (Yahweh) floating upon the river, because the tablet had rolled over and had sunken. And when Oshea checked the body of the dead, he found also on it: I am Yahweh, the God Almighty.

realmindz:



At the bolded , you have said it all and that proves that the Bible is anti science, built on myths and exaggerated stories.

budaatum:

Actually, Genesis 1 was primitive humans' 'scientific attempt' to explain what they observed with their senses, which is what science is. We today, standing on the shoulders of those early primitive giant 'scientists', are just way too arrogant (or most likely too stupid) to understand what they began and clearly informed us to keep on doing.

Or would you like to argue that "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" is not very clear instruction to do science and be blessed?

OtemAtum:


God ALMIGHTY is the totality of Existence.

Here is the History of How Yahweh Performed on Earth During his last incarnation on earth


B.C.E 16:34- 37


34. Now the rulership of Mosheh(Yahweh) was harsh. He manifested all the attributes of Yahweh whom he really was, for he killed many people who worked on the last day of the week, saying, it is evil against Yahweh. He killed also the worshipper of Sin, Baalim and Moloch in multitude, saying that they were abominable people.He also killed the blind, lame, hunch backed and all forms of disabled people, because he hated them from within.
35. He killed those who refused circumcision also and he ordered war against those who worship Asherah, the one whom they called the queen of heaven. He tried hard to replace the name ‘El’ with ‘Yahweh’ in many texts of the tablets and papyri, but he could not, for many were already attached to the name ‘El’ as ‘God Almighty’. 36. Now Mosheh(Yahweh) fell sick, so he went far from his land, saying, I shall not die where I shall be seen. So he cast himself in the red sea and died there, placing a tablet over his chest so that he could sink in the river. And on the tablet was written: I am YHWH, the God Almighty. 37. Then a man named Oshea found the corpse of mosheh (Yahweh) floating upon the river, because the tablet had rolled over and had sunken. And when Oshea checked the body of the dead, he found also on it: I am Yahweh, the God Almighty.

paxonel:
which includes the spiritual and the physical.

In Christianity we have it that God almighty is the creator of both the spiritual and the physical which may include your God almighty. In other words, the God almighty of Christianity created your God almighty.

Paxonel: The same thing applies, your religion may teach you that there was one Yahweh who did all the things you quoted here in your holy book, but the Yahweh Christians know in the bible was known for keeping covenants and promises.

Niflheim:
@OtemAtum,

This is a very powerful post!!! Do you remember David Koresh? His members worshipped him as the son of god(until the FBI killed him in a barnyard inferno)!!!

Have you heard of "OSHO"? Till today, his members insist that he never died, and that he was never born, because he always existed and he has gone to exist in another planet!!!

This is how religions start!!!

paxonel:
what are you talking.
Do you realize that science originated from primitivity?
That homo sapiens used crude implements like woods to till the soil and build bridges but today machines are used to do the same ?
you should be factual when you say things like this.
after modern discovery what next?
Death ofcourse!
Ask Charles Darwin.

But within that book written by people with cave knowledge, there is life.
That's why you see millions going for it irrespective of their knowledge of science, because they have understood that no amount of science can bring one back to life when they die.

realmindz:


The point still stands that the Bible is a primitive book.

budaatum:
Egyptian Mystery School were a big thing. Newton's Apple fell from Egypt and I have discovered Einstein there too. Even Jesus had to be called out of Egypt.

Here's something about Ancient Isis, Osiris, and Horus.

Be delighted for the internet! Before it we relied on books!

realmindz:


The point still stands that the Bible is a primitive book.

You make a claim that people have found life in these primitive books and yet you are quick to accuse me of making a claim without being factual. Nothing could be more ambiguous than your claims

And I ask, why would u stick to primitive knowledge when you are in 21st century? You don't live in caves, you don't use sticks to hunt, why should u bury ur knowledge into primitive believes of cave men.

The same book predicted a future in the book of revelation, a future of scrolls and a battle fought with charitots, arrows and bows.... A future where stars will fall and moon will turn to blood.... And u a 21st century man have not lived long enough to speak of rockets, Ipads, computerized and technological advanced world

OtemAtum:
Are you trying to say that your god Yahweh does not exist? Because as far as your god exists, then he is also a part of Existence, which make your god a very negligible part of God Almighty, the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE.

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God Almighty(Existence) is neither created and cannot be destroyed.

Also, there is nowhere in your bible where it stated that Yahweh your god created God Almighty

but in the book of Universal History, it was boldly documented how God Almighty made Yahweh your god to become a conscious
being.

This is the most contradictory thing I have ever read. You said that your god existed before Existence, lol How could you use the word 'EXISTENCE' for your god when you are trying to exclude him from Existence? Can you just simply say that your god does not exist, since you don't want him to be associated with the word 'existence'

It is this same Yahweh that committed suicide, no other one. If it is not true, may I not see tomorrow. Yahweh himself knows that I am telling the truth about him, unfortunately for him, he is currently in his spiritual cage, so he cannot do anything at the moment.

Also, I don't have a religion. Read the Universal Book of History for more.

budaatum:

"Primitive", it may be, but relevant still, if read through the proper lenses (allegorical, metaphor, psychological, etc). We (some of us), still read very ancient texts and find a lot to learn from them.

Newton's apple, for instance, fell out of his [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies?wprov=sfla1]alchemical studies[/url] from which he also learnt to make gold from dross and went on to run the Royal Mint, and Einstein's Relativity is found in the Corpus Hermeticum by those with the mind to see.

paxonel:
no, you don't get what I'm saying.
Let me break it down again.

The book can never be primitive because it contains the validity that people and science were primitive in those days at the same time contains the validity of our endless future.

There has never been a book like that and there will never be any book like that again.

Do you know what it takes for a book to be best selling all over the world for centuries?
That means, there is something in that book that makes just more than a book.
when you make claims attach your facts to it that's all I'm saying.
Well, if they are ambiguous seek clarification or better still, don't seek clarification. But anytime you are willing to be clarified I'm always ready to explain.
put it this way, the book help us to know what the primitive people knew and what they didn't know and help us to understand what is obtainable today. Now, that is advancement of knowledge to us and not us being caved in primitive knowledge.
Ofcourse why do we study history in schools?
Do we now say because history books do not teach us how to use computers therefore we should discard it?