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Jokerman:
You judged greatness by what is achieved and won, not how you do something... Achievement defines greatness...

Kanu
Drogba
Etoo
Aboutreka
Mikel

Etc are all greater than Okocha in African football, Buh Okocha was a better on field footballer than them all

Kanu and Drogba have no international trophies tho!! They are only good for clubs!!!
They won the African best award because of their club performances..

kehinde2436:
Messi should just forget about winning medal with this Argentina national team, seems they are doomed for failure during this generation.

Soon Laliga and champions league will begin, probably by then he can once again proof himself more for the race of Ballon D Or.

the race for balloon d or 2019 is already settled for 2019 in club levels. next season will be for 2020

safarigirl:
All this long epistle, to defend that knce again, Messi cannot do enough.

Is it not his mates scoring hat tricks to move their teams to finals?

Who are people to blame, if not Messi? When Nigeria plays badly, is it not Mikel chopping the blame 90% of the time? It is a given, that those who put on the captain bands, must collect the glory and the condemnation for their teams' performances.

Let us just accept that some people will never win certain trophies, no matter how many tournaments they play. Messi is one of them, he was great, but not great enough for Argentina

it shows clearly how ceser aspilicueta collected the blames and Glory of the woes in Chelsea,or kompany for Man City. broda, you don't know what you talking

eni4real:
Diminishing but has 36 league goals and 12 UCL goals, better than his last season performance... And better than any player this season!!!
English??

It like you seem to only see what you want to see...... all this goals and trophies listed will never be disputed, am speaking of his overall performance as it concerns the Copa America and team play in Argentina's colours please don't come up with winning the league of last season cause that cup in itself shouldn't be a thing to beat your chest over cause na every season consolation be that if the Champions League slips, the Copa America seems elusive to Argentina even with Messi in the mix, as an Argentine it makes no sense to me listing all this laurels without having the Copa America in it.

When i said diminishing, please try watching the match again and you will observe moves that naturally back then in Messi's prime would have been goal bound where just as if Messi was wasting goal scoring chances those mesmerizing runs, cut-backs, free kicks and take-on's hardly connect to perfection as of the days he came into limelight, see in a nutshell what am trying to say is that at this stage Messi needs the likes of Dybala, Icardi, Di maria and Aguero to always start this matches with him cause they operate on same frequency and professionalism, this is not about how many goals or trophies the country comes first and Messi cannot alone do it.

P.S Kindly stop seeing it as if I have anything against Messi, football is a team sport especially when it comes to the National team individual laurels remains with the individual, as a country that copa cup matters more to an average Argentine fan than the stats of any player on the field of play.

cr7 the real G.O.A.T

safarigirl:
Argentina is not Barcelona.

Let him do it for Argentina, if he is so great. So, he can 'carry' Barcelona, but Argentina is too heavy for him?

Abeg shift. if not Neymar and Suarez, na Xavi and Iniesta, Ronaldinho and Eto'o, always somebody bailing him out in Barcelona, but when it is time to prove his mettle outside Spain, he shrivels. Rebrand your market, because this one don expire.

Bailing him out will never equal to 6 European Golden boot and 4 World best Playmaker!!!

You can't bail someone who has most goals in Europe and most assists in Europe out!!!
It is not possible!!!
If it is just goal stats, it is understandable but his chance creation is extraordinary too

Argentina is not a team.. Just watch them

Defence is average
Midfield is not better than Super Eagle Midfield
Attack has great Superstars but toothless because of no connection with other departments on the field!!

But why do people criticize Messi but fail to Criticize Drogba and Kanu who had solid teams but failed to win international trophies??

The reason is obvious!!!

eni4real:
Kanu and Drogba have no international trophies tho!! They are only good for clubs!!!
They won the African best award because of their club performances..

Yet they are greater than Okocha

Should messi kill himself over a bad Argentine team. A tree can't make a forest o abeg

GoTV:
In life you can't have it all. Life itself is full of up and down moments. As great as Ronaldo Delima who won many trophies with Brazil including World Cup, he couldn't win the Champions League which players like Daniel sturridge won recently despite playing for almighty Madrid filled with super stars. Jay Jay okocha as good as he was never won the African footballer of the year award which fringe players like Adebayor and El-hadji diouf won.


Many of you trolling messi's predicament with Argentina are doing so due to high expectations and unimaginable standards he sets for himself. He's a victim of his brilliance no doubt but never forget winning trophies is not exclusive to a player effort. Football is a team sport but i wonder why you all blame messi when he has been unfortunate to be with paper weight team mates. An injured Ronaldo won the Euro cup due to the fighting spirit of the Portuguese players (credit to Eder) after Ronaldo led them to finals with his goals. Same as the recent nations league which guedes delivered and Bernardo silva emerged best player.


Ronaldo is the arrow head of the Portuguese team no doubt but his team mates deliver when he's not in charge, unlike messi whose team mates are big names on paper but play terribly despite his efforts to inspire them to glory. Higuain missed 3 decisive one on one chances against Germany in 2014 finals before gotze scored, chances fringe players like guedes and Eder converted to win Ronaldo the international trophies you all troll about. Everything in Argentine football must not be delivered by messi. It's a games of 11 players so why place the burden on only messi as if Portugal fields only Ronaldo against other teams? When Elder and guedes scored to win the trophy when it mattered most, you guys ignore their efforts and give all praises to Ronaldo. When Argentina team plays badly even if defenders scored own goal all blame goes to messi. Haba guys, what level of hypocrisy?


This is not to defend or absorb messi of his involvement in the failure of the Argentine's team to win a major afterall he missed a penalty against chile in previous Copa finals, but i think we are too harsh on him with unreasonable criticisms.

I hope Majority of you guys criticizing him have achieved all you desire in life? I hope there is nothing again you which to achieve or conquer? Can you have it all in life? No. Even Atiku with all his billions stills dreams of being a president. You can't have it all. Ronaldo is fortunate to be in a team with winning mentality, unlike messi. Despite all Cristiano Ronaldo has won in his career, he would also wish to have a world cup medal which players like Giroud won without scoring a goal. There is always something left to chase and achieve. Despite all this challenges It doesn't dispute the fact that messi is indeed amongst the greatest players to play the game.


Had he naturalized to spain like diego Costa during their golden era of winning euros and world cup, this debate of who the greatest is would have been buried. Even if Argentina wins this year's copa America, you Ronaldo fans will still troll messi to win another international trophy to match Ronaldo's two. Nothing messi does will ever satisfy you people.


He's a victim of his brillance. Simple

ronaldo doesn't have two , he has one and one glorified trophy for friendly games

safarigirl:
All this long epistle, to defend that knce again, Messi cannot do enough.

Is it not his mates scoring hat tricks to move their teams to finals?

Who are people to blame, if not Messi? When Nigeria plays badly, is it not Mikel chopping the blame 90% of the time? It is a given, that those who put on the captain bands, must collect the glory and the condemnation for their teams' performances.

Let us just accept that some people will never win certain trophies, no matter how many tournaments they play. Messi is one of them, he was great, but not great enough for Argentina

if Messi plays from the middle , he won't have anyone to pass to . If he stays upfront like Ronaldo does, he won't get the ball in the right places . So tell me , what would be your solution to this problem?

KpagoGIN:
It like you seem to only see what you want to see...... all this goals and trophies listed will never be disputed, am speaking of his overall performance as it concerns the Copa America and team play in Argentina's colours please don't come up with winning the league of last season cause that cup in itself shouldn't be a thing to beat your chest over cause na every season consolation be that if the Champions League slips, the Copa America seems elusive to Argentina even with Messi in the mix, as an Argentine it makes no sense to me listing all this laurels without having the Copa America in it.

When i said diminishing, please try watching the match again and you will observe moves that naturally back then in Messi's prime would have been goal bound where just as if Messi was wasting goal scoring chances those mesmerizing runs, cut-backs, free kicks and take-on's hardly connect to perfection as of the days he came into limelight, see in a nutshell what am trying to say is that at this stage Messi needs the likes of Dybala, Icardi, Di maria and Aguero to always start this matches with him cause they operate on same frequency and professionalism, this is not about how many goals or trophies the country comes first and Messi cannot alone do it.

P.S Kindly stop seeing it as if I have anything against Messi, football is a team sport especially when it comes to the National team individual laurels remains with the individual, as a country that copa cup matters more to an average Argentine fan than the stats of any player on the field of play.

Aguero did not start against Paraguay because he has a poor game against Columbia..
Dybala don't even have up to 5 goals for Argentina...
Icardi is not even present in this tournament
Di Maria had to be withdrawn against Colombia because he had a very bad game in the left wing. He was replaced by Mattias Suarez. An unknown player. That is to tell you how poor things are in Argentina now...
It is not enough to blame Messi for everything...

Jokerman:
Yet they are greater than Okocha

But they have no international trophies??
Is that not double standard?

eni4real:
Bailing him out will never equal to 6 European Golden boot and 4 World best Playmaker!!!

You can't bail someone who has most goals in Europe and most assists in Europe out!!!
It is not possible!!!
If it is just goal stats, it is understandable but his chance creation is extraordinary too

Argentina is not a team.. Just watch them

Defence is average
Midfield is not better than Super Eagle Midfield
Attack has great Superstars but toothless because of no connection with other departments on the field!!

But why do people criticize Messi but fail to Criticize Drogba and Kanu who had solid teams but failed to win international trophies??

The reason is obvious!!!

and all of those individual awards will never equal an international trophy, will they?

It will always be on record, that Messi played for individual awards and never for his country. A failure in the Abiceleste colors, but an European baby boy. He should have played for Spain, maybe his luck would have been better.

Like someone said, he's closer to an Okocha, than to a Maradona. You cannot be the best, if you have not conquered every stage you have stood on.

eni4real:
But they have no international trophies??
Is that not double standard?

Not double standard... They have won what Okocha won and they have what he doesn't coupled with individual awards

chiboy1116:
ronaldo doesn't have two , he has one and one glorified trophy for friendly games

I bet you wish Messi had one of those glorified trophies for friendly games. You know, those things still count as an INTERNATIONAL Trophy, because it was won in a group of INTERNATIONAL friendlies. South America should organise one of those, maybe Messi will finally win something......if he doesn't bottle the finals of course

GoTV:
In life you can't have it all. Life itself is full of up and down moments. As great as Ronaldo Delima who won many trophies with Brazil including World Cup, he couldn't win the Champions League which players like Daniel sturridge won recently despite playing for almighty Madrid filled with super stars. Jay Jay okocha as good as he was never won the African footballer of the year award which fringe players like Adebayor and El-hadji diouf won.


Many of you trolling messi's predicament with Argentina are doing so due to high expectations and unimaginable standards he sets for himself. He's a victim of his brilliance no doubt but never forget winning trophies is not exclusive to a player effort. Football is a team sport but i wonder why you all blame messi when he has been unfortunate to be with paper weight team mates. An injured Ronaldo won the Euro cup due to the fighting spirit of the Portuguese players (credit to Eder) after Ronaldo led them to finals with his goals. Same as the recent nations league which guedes delivered and Bernardo silva emerged best player.


Ronaldo is the arrow head of the Portuguese team no doubt but his team mates deliver when he's not in charge, unlike messi whose team mates are big names on paper but play terribly despite his efforts to inspire them to glory. Higuain missed 3 decisive one on one chances against Germany in 2014 finals before gotze scored, chances fringe players like guedes and Eder converted to win Ronaldo the international trophies you all troll about. Everything in Argentine football must not be delivered by messi. It's a games of 11 players so why place the burden on only messi as if Portugal fields only Ronaldo against other teams? When Elder and guedes scored to win the trophy when it mattered most, you guys ignore their efforts and give all praises to Ronaldo. When Argentina team plays badly even if defenders scored own goal all blame goes to messi. Haba guys, what level of hypocrisy?


This is not to defend or absorb messi of his involvement in the failure of the Argentine's team to win a major afterall he missed a penalty against chile in previous Copa finals, but i think we are too harsh on him with unreasonable criticisms.

I hope Majority of you guys criticizing him have achieved all you desire in life? I hope there is nothing again you which to achieve or conquer? Can you have it all in life? No. Even Atiku with all his billions stills dreams of being a president. You can't have it all. Ronaldo is fortunate to be in a team with winning mentality, unlike messi. Despite all Cristiano Ronaldo has won in his career, he would also wish to have a world cup medal which players like Giroud won without scoring a goal. There is always something left to chase and achieve. Despite all this challenges It doesn't dispute the fact that messi is indeed amongst the greatest players to play the game.


Had he naturalized to spain like diego Costa during their golden era of winning euros and world cup, this debate of who the greatest is would have been buried. Even if Argentina wins this year's copa America, you Ronaldo fans will still troll messi to win another international trophy to match Ronaldo's two. Nothing messi does will ever satisfy you people.


He's a victim of his brillance. Simple

well said man!! those Argentina players are curse....when it comes to national team dey becomes olodo..

safarigirl:
and all of those individual awards will never equal an international trophy, will they?

It will always be on record, that Messi played for individual awards and never for his country. A failure in the Abiceleste colors, but an European baby boy. He should have played for Spain, maybe his luck would have been better.

Like someone said, he's closer to an Okocha, than to a Maradona. You cannot be the best, if you have not conquered every stage you have stood on.

He played for?? How can he play for individual awards when he rejected the Copa America best player award in 2015
If no Eder or Guedes is scoring goals as it is in Portugal, you think international trophy will come

This is not a criticism at all. It is hatred!!!

What do you say about Drogba and Kanu

Nobody has ever said that Yaya Toure is greater than Drogba because of the latter inability to win an international trophy??
Double Standard? May be

But hatred for Messi is the Answer!!!

Raydos:
I respect messi what he has done for Barcelona

But I respect Ronaldo for what he has done for football!!

YES ESPECIALLY WHAT HE HAS DONE IN FIFA WORLDCUP AND ALSO HOW HE HELPED JUVE WIN THEIR LEAGUE AFTER 20YEARS WITHOUT TROPHY

Dude short your trap. You're talking trash, you're obviously a Messi fan that's why you're saying all this stuffs. The fact that he has achieved what Messi have not makes him a better player, he's undoubtedly the GOAT.

GoTV:
In life you can't have it all. Life itself is full of up and down moments. As great as Ronaldo Delima who won many trophies with Brazil including World Cup, he couldn't win the Champions League which players like Daniel sturridge won recently despite playing for almighty Madrid filled with super stars. Jay Jay okocha as good as he was never won the African footballer of the year award which fringe players like Adebayor and El-hadji diouf won.


Many of you trolling messi's predicament with Argentina are doing so due to high expectations and unimaginable standards he sets for himself. He's a victim of his brilliance no doubt but never forget winning trophies is not exclusive to a player effort. Football is a team sport but i wonder why you all blame messi when he has been unfortunate to be with paper weight team mates. An injured Ronaldo won the Euro cup due to the fighting spirit of the Portuguese players (credit to Eder) after Ronaldo led them to finals with his goals. Same as the recent nations league which guedes delivered and Bernardo silva emerged best player.


Ronaldo is the arrow head of the Portuguese team no doubt but his team mates deliver when he's not in charge, unlike messi whose team mates are big names on paper but play terribly despite his efforts to inspire them to glory. Higuain missed 3 decisive one on one chances against Germany in 2014 finals before gotze scored, chances fringe players like guedes and Eder converted to win Ronaldo the international trophies you all troll about. Everything in Argentine football must not be delivered by messi. It's a games of 11 players so why place the burden on only messi as if Portugal fields only Ronaldo against other teams? When Elder and guedes scored to win the trophy when it mattered most, you guys ignore their efforts and give all praises to Ronaldo. When Argentina team plays badly even if defenders scored own goal all blame goes to messi. Haba guys, what level of hypocrisy?


This is not to defend or absorb messi of his involvement in the failure of the Argentine's team to win a major afterall he missed a penalty against chile in previous Copa finals, but i think we are too harsh on him with unreasonable criticisms.

I hope Majority of you guys criticizing him have achieved all you desire in life? I hope there is nothing again you which to achieve or conquer? Can you have it all in life? No. Even Atiku with all his billions stills dreams of being a president. You can't have it all. Ronaldo is fortunate to be in a team with winning mentality, unlike messi. Despite all Cristiano Ronaldo has won in his career, he would also wish to have a world cup medal which players like Giroud won without scoring a goal. There is always something left to chase and achieve. Despite all this challenges It doesn't dispute the fact that messi is indeed amongst the greatest players to play the game.


Had he naturalized to spain like diego Costa during their golden era of winning euros and world cup, this debate of who the greatest is would have been buried. Even if Argentina wins this year's copa America, you Ronaldo fans will still troll messi to win another international trophy to match Ronaldo's two. Nothing messi does will ever satisfy you people.


He's a victim of his brillance. Simple

Jokerman:
Not double standard... They have won what Okocha won and they have what he doesn't coupled with individual awards

They have no international trophies

Nobody has ever said that Yaya Toure is greater than Drogba because of that!!
But Messi get criticized because Ronaldo won international trophies, however he won it does not matter!!!

eni4real:
He played for?? How can he play for individual awards when he rejected the Copa America best player award in 2015
If no Eder or Guedes is scoring goals as it is in Portugal, you think international trophy will come

This is not a criticism at all. It is hatred!!!

What do you say about Drogba and Kanu

Nobody has ever said that Yaya Toure is greater than Drogba because of the latter inability to win an international trophy??
Double Standard? May be

But hatred for Messi is the Answer!!!

This is why I don't engage all these obsessed fans. You people are sick, and you don't even know it. I suggest you get psychological help, because jumping on every post that disagrees with the notion that Messi is an infallible god, is a very unhealthy act.

Your obsession and arguments will not dash Messi an international trophy, and his greatness will always have a BUT attached to it, the same way Kanu and Drogba's greatness have BUT attached to them.

Go and rest, I no do again

Damfostopper:
for the past 5 years..... Ronaldo has been playing in one major competition final or the other...either it's UEFA Champions League or Euro or UEFA competition ..... it's his goals that push his team to the final even thou he might not score in the Final........


your just blabbing nonsensse

LoL and you forgot Messi has played in all major competitions final he has featured in.
World Cup Final
Copa America Final 2x
Uefa Champions League Final.

And it wasn't Messi's goals that has pushed his team far in those tournaments. Double standards LoL

Let me also add Messi has won Best player of the tournament in every major tournament he has featured in.

safarigirl:
This is why I don't engage all these obsessed fans. You people are sick, and you don't even know it. I suggest you get psychological help, because jumping on every post that disagrees with the notion that Messi is an infallible god, is a very unhealthy act.

Your obsession and arguments will not dash Messi an international trophy, and his greatness will always have a BUT attached to it, the same way Kanu and Drogba's greatness have BUT attached to them.

Go and rest, I no do again

Psychological help because of Messi debate?? Petty reaction from you!!!

Drogba has no international trophy. Nobody ever raise topic of who is the ivorian GOAT between him and Yaya Toure.
But Messi must he hated even when no Eder or Guedes are stepping up when it matters!!!

Double Standard at its best!!

Jokerman:
Apart from World Cup 2014 that was dashed to him as compensation by Blatter, which other tournament as Messi won player of the tournament??

Copa America twice but refused one so it was handed to Chile's Sanchez.
What else do you want?

naijalodge:
Messi’s team mate doesn’t do anything yet they gave him a controversial penalty to tap in last night, u all are now shouting goat everywhere...Nonsense

no worry, Qatar will be there to give Messi goal offerings and then they will come and be shouting goat

eni4real:
Aguero did not start against Paraguay because he has a poor game against Columbia..
Dybala don't even have up to 5 goals for Argentina...
Icardi is not even present in this tournament
Di Maria had to be withdrawn against Colombia because he had a very bad game in the left wing. He was replaced by Mattias Suarez. An unknown player. That is to tell you how poor things are in Argentina now...
It is not enough to blame Messi for everything...

Thank you very much for your understanding and I cannot blaming Messi for the outcome of this competition just saying same thing but in different way, players that were suppose to help him out seems to be shooting blanks, if am Messi's brother since him suppose don retire cause it like every Argentine that can kick a ball just enters the field of play and believes Messi will do everything even the stars just they show lacklustre attitude. Watching the match was like watching the NPLF where Enyimba vs MFM play without precision, muscle here, anywhere belly face, kick and follow while for Messi mind he will just be saying wetin carry me come this competition injury for end of season for save me from this set of rookies called team mates.

Please list Messi's achievements Biko, all what you'll be saying is how he has won a zillion titles with Barcelona, how he has won a trillion trophies with Barcelona, how he has scored a billion goals with Barcelona, how he's a master at nun camp (Barcelona's pitch), everything he has done is with Barcelona his comfort zone and you dare compare him with someone whose achievements cuts across the shores of Europe down to his own country Bros Abeg na try drop all this your baseless sentiments

Frankaka8:
YES ESPECIALLY WHAT HE HAS DONE IN FIFA WORLDCUP AND ALSO HOW HE HELPED JUVE WIN THEIR LEAGUE AFTER 20YEARS WITHOUT TROPHY

OPTIMUSPRIME08:
what a shame one has to type all these to defend pepsi.
But i tell you this there is no excuse for failure its either you win or lose, messi is a barca legend but not a footbal legend, more reasons his best performances are at camp nou, no one is a reflection of perfection.
Judging by individual performances, Argentina has one of the best teams in the world so if they perform this bad, question the leadership mentality surrounding that team.
Ronaldo uses both flair, motivation, promises and frustration to carry this Portugal team along, he does more off field build up, Ronaldo organised a party for juve after they lost to ATM in UEFA champions league.
This alone takes guts, anyway your Pepsi secondly retirement loading

Despite Argentina woes one man still stand out with 2 major national tournament best player -2014 and 2015.. (one was a fucking world cup) and ur penaldo got none ,, u know why lollllzzzz... I bet you do. It takes another level of greatness to still stand out despite starring for a woeful team.
#shoutout to bernado Silva

Martinez19:
Had Ronaldo lost international matches and tournaments in similar fashion, you wouldn't have accepted this excuse and apologetics if Ronaldo fans tabled it for Ronaldo.

Oga, Messi na Camp Nou scam. I can really feel your pain.

them still dey believe the illusion that Ronaldo no win Euro cos he got injured in the final.

charlesm91:
no worry, Qatar will be there to give Messi goal offerings and then they will come and be shouting goat

They are even hating him ahead of a game that will be played on Sunday!!! Why is Messi the most hated player in the World
Qatar Drew Paraguay and lost narrowly to Colombia. So if Messi score against them, it means nothing

But if Ronaldo should score against Faroes Island, Cyprus, Estonia, Armenia, Andorra, Luxembourg, goals which constitute 70% of his international goals, he is the best right

Double Standard at its best!!!

Messi's greatest regret would be not choosing Spain ahead of Argentina in 2006. But that's life, every has a regret

Beverlyjean:
Which most of the assist?? He only helped them out of the cheap group that had Bosnia ,Iran and Nigeria( his favourite) he could not score again till the tournament ended, only had one assist and no goals in the knock out stages... So tell me how he led Argentina to the final... Do u know he dint make team of the tournament??

In the 2014 world cup Messi had 5 MOTM awards, most than any other players at that tournament. With that been said it clearly shows Messi performances ensured Argentina passage to the final. Messi style of football is beyond just goals, he playmakes, dribbles, create chances, assists, scores. Messi is too many package in one.

Do you know your hatred for Messi has blinded you that you lack coherence in football. You have google, its free, make use of it.
Messi is in the fifa best XI at the 2014 world cup.