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IS JESUS EQUAL TO JEHOVAH?

*1 Corinthians 15:28 – This verse identifies a change in the Son's position relative to the Father. What is the Son's position before subjecting himself to the Father? Equal to! This verse describes a change in position. The Son "becomes subject" to the Father. This means that at some point he is not subject and he changes position to "become subject." Note the presence of "when" and "then" in the verse.

DOES JESUS SHARE JEHOVAH'S GLORY?

*Isaiah 6:1-5 with John 12:37-41 – Isaiah's vision of Jehovah's glory is applied by John to Jesus in verse 41. He says Isaiah saw his glory. Who did John mean by [his] and who did Isaiah see?
*Isaiah 42:8 with John 17:5 – Jehovah will not share his glory yet Jesus has glory alongside Jehovah
*John 12:45 – Can any creature claim this? No. Jesus is not like any created being.
*Isaiah 48:11 – Jehovah will not give his glory to anyone else.

IS JESUS THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF THE FATHER?

*John 12:45 – He that beholds me beholds him that sent me
*2 Corinthians 4:4 – Christ, who is the image of God
*Hebrews 1:3 – the exact representation of his very being
*John 8:19 – if you knew me, you would know my Father also
*John 12:44 – he who puts faith in me
*John 14:7-9 – know me, know my Father also
Colossians 2:9 – Theotes vs. Theiotes or (Essence vs. Quality)

IS JESUS MASTER?

*Colossians 3:24 – Slave for the Master, Christ

WHO IS THE STUMBLING STONE?

Jehovah

*Isaiah 8:13-14 – Who? Jehovah.

Jesus

*1 Peter 2:6-8 – Who? Jesus.

HOLY SPIRIT SENT IN WHOSE NAME?

Father

*Luke 10:17 – Father's name.

Jesus

*John 14:26 – Jesus' name

WHO DO WE SERVE?

Jehovah alone

*Matthew 4:10 – Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'"

God and Jesus

*James 1:1 – James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

Jesus

*Romans 1:1 – Paul, a slave of Jesus
*2 Corinthians 5:15 – Live for him who died for us
*Galatians 1:10 – Christ's slave
*Philippians 1:1 – Paul and Timothy, slaves of Jesus
*Colossians 3:24 – slave for the Master, Christ
*Colossians 4:12 – Epaphras, a slave of Jesus Christ
*Jude 1 – Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ

CHRIST'S HUMILIATION OR EMPTYING OF HIMSELF TO BECOME A MAN

*Philippians 2:7 – he emptied himself
*John 14:28 – The Father is greater than I am
*John 20:17 – I am ascending to my God and your God
*Acts 17:30-31 – he purposes to judge by a man he has appointed
*1 Corinthians 11:3 – Is this quality of being? Is man by nature superior to woman? Or is this headship which does not imply any innate superior quality of the one holding the headship? Yes. See 1 Corinthians 15:28.

WHO HAS WITNESSES?

Jehovah

*Isaiah 43:10 – "You are my witnesses" says Jehovah
*Isaiah 44:6-8 – you are my witnesses

Jesus

*Acts 1:8 – You will be witnesses of me
*Acts 13:31 – who are now his witnesses
Acts 8:35 – Philip witnessed about Jesus

IS JESUS MICHAEL?

*Daniel 10:13, 21 – Michael, one of the foremost princes
*Daniel 12:1 – Michael will stand up
*Jude 9 – when Michael had a difference with the Devil he did not dare to bring a judgment against him
*Luke 4:8 – Jesus rebukes Satan
*Hebrews 1:6 – Let all God's angels worship him
*Philippians 2:9 – the name that is above every other name
*Hebrews 1:6 – Jesus is above all angels. The text does not say "all other angels." It says all angels and shows that Jesus is not included in that group. Thus he cannot be Michael the Archangel.

COME TOGETHER IN JESUS' NAME

*Matthew 18:20 – where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name

HEALING COMES IN JESUS' NAME

*Acts 4:7-10 – Healed a lame man by faith in the name of Jesus
*Acts 3:16 – his name, by [our] faith in his name, has made this man strong



SIGNS COME IN JESUS' NAME

*Acts 4:30 – signs and portents occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus



DEMONS ARE SUBJECT TO JESUS' NAME

*Luke 10:17 – the demons are made subject to us by the use of your name

WHO ANSWERS PRAYER?

Father

*John 15:16 – Father's name

Jesus

*John 14:13-14 – Jesus answers
*Luke 10:17 – Jesus' name
*Acts 7:59-60 – Stephen prayed to Jesus

IS CHRIST IN US?

John 15:4-5 – NWT says 'in union with us'. This is especially inconsistent seeing that similar Greek construction 'in the vine' doesn't have 'union with' inserted into it.
John 17:23, 26 – Why 'union with' added to verse 23? In verse 26 same phrase of love 'in them' doesn't say 'in union with'.
Romans 8:9-10 – God's spirit in you... Christ in union with you. Vs. 9 shows the Spirit "in you." Vs. 10 says Christ is "in union with you." This obscures our deep personal relationship with Christ, with him living "in us." In verse 9 "in you" comes from Greek [en humin]. Vs. 10 also says [en humin] but the NWT chooses to obscure the issue by translating it as "in union with." Why the inconsistency?
2 Corinthians 13:5 – Jesus in us is the test of the faith. Once again NWT has added 'union with.' More examples of addition of 'union with': Galatians 1:15-16, Galatians 2:20

IS CHRIST'S SPIRIT EQUAL TO GOD'S SPIRIT

*Romans 8:9 – True Christians have God's spirit and Christ's spirit dwelling in them.

WHO RAISED JESUS?

God

*1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 – Whom he [God] raised up from the dead
*Acts 2:24 – God raised Jesus from the dead.

Jesus

*John 2:19, 21 – I will raise it up

WHO IS THE JUDGE OF MAN?

Jesus

*John 5:22-23 – Jesus
*2 Corinthians 5:10 – Jesus

WHO IS LORD OF THE SABBATH?

Jesus

*Matthew 12:8 – Jesus

JESUS' CLAIMS ABOUT HIMSELF

*John 5:18 – The Jews understood Jesus made himself equal with God.
*John 10:28-33 – The Jews said "You make yourself God."
*John 10:36 – "I am God's Son" is a claim to a unique relationship with God. Jews considered it blasphemy because Jesus was claiming to be God by saying this. They wanted to stone him. There are five reasons for stoning:

Spiritism Leviticus 20:27; Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-23; False Prophecy Deuteronomy 13:5-10; Stubborn son Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Adultery or rape Deuteronomy 22:21-24 Leviticus 20:10

JESUS AT BIRTH

Lord

*Luke 2:11 – there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. Did Jesus become Lord later or was he Lord from birth?

Christ

*Luke 2:11 – there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. Did Jesus become the Christ at his baptism by John? This verse shows that Jesus was born the Christ. Born today, who is the Christ, not "who will become" the Christ.

Maximus69:
The rule:
Each person must first PRESENT the group with which he associates as a believer.
Each person must show appreciation for the others earnest effort to have time for God's word.
Each person must explain the reason for his conviction.
Each person must display a high measure of self control while reading the response of the other.
So i need to know your religious group [denomination] first before proceeding further in the friendly discuss!

You're welcome to our thread Mr solite3,
These are the rules guiding each participant.
So if you're interested in participating, please

¤Present your religious beliefs.
¤The practical applications thereof. And
¤The benefits for those adhering to your beliefs.

Once again you're welcome, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Can you also tell us the name of your religious group?

God bless you Sir!

solite3:
JESUS' CLAIMS ABOUT HIMSELF

*John 5:18 – The Jews understood Jesus made himself equal with God.
*John 10:28-33 – The Jews said "You make yourself God."
*John 10:36 – "I am God's Son" is a claim to a unique relationship with God. Jews considered it blasphemy because Jesus was claiming to be God by saying this. They wanted to stone him. There are five reasons for stoning:

John5:18 Jesus"calling God his Father",or "I am God's son" in John10:36, NEVER equates with "making himself equal with God".
Jesus expression in John 14:28 proved that these wicked Jews had LIED. .
Even this solite3 LIAR has come here to repeat the same falsehood that the Pharisees laid against Jesus Christ.
Shame on you solite3 ogidigan of Lies.

Maximus69:
You're welcome to our thread Mr solite3,
These are the rules guiding each participant.
So if you're interested in participating, please

¤Present your religious beliefs.
¤The practical applications thereof. And
¤The benefits for those adhering to your beliefs.

Once again you're welcome, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Can you also tell us the name of your religious group?

God bless you Sir!

Solite3 na one of dem falsehood crew of shadeyinka, johnw,nutarious etc.
Na dem dem....

Maximus69:
You're welcome to our thread Mr solite3,
These are the rules guiding each participant.
So if you're interested in participating, please

¤Present your religious beliefs.
¤The practical applications thereof. And
¤The benefits for those adhering to your beliefs.

Once again you're welcome, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Can you also tell us the name of your religious group?

God bless you Sir!

What is the purpose of creating these rules

Janosky:
John5:18 Jesus"calling God his Father",or "I am God's son" in John10:36, NEVER equates with "making himself equal with God".
Jesus expression in John 14:28 proved that these wicked Jews had LIED. .
Even this solite3 LIAR has come here to repeat the same falsehood that the Pharisees laid against Jesus Christ.
Shame on you solite3 ogidigan of Lies.

i didn't come here for argument but to expose the false teachings of Jehovah witness.
There is no time for all these bantering,
Check the truth for yourself and save your souls.

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
That's more like it.
Now learn how to apply Bible counsel!

If Apostle Paul said 'TURN AWAY' he simply means SHUTDOWN the bridge of communication with such a person completely, because 'they have a form of godliness{sheeplike appearance} but denying the power of godliness{full of iniquity}'

If you continue discussing with such ones, their haughty habits may influence you into unchristian behaviours like :
Abusive speech,
Cursing,
Insulting,
Agitation and so on!
So instead of allowing such to infect you with unchristian habits, you need to shun them completely! 1Corinthians 15:33 compared to 2John 10,11

But when such ones insist they've got something tangible to say, then try to avoid what you shouldn't be found doing like abuses, insults, cursing and so on.

From the very moment you said 'we're on the same page' i knew immediately that you should be shunned, so to make you realise i'm doing so i said 'you need to learn some things' and instantly you kicked against that, before alBHAGDADI told you i'm one of JWs. Then you started pestering me for more talks, while i was already rounding up!

IF YOU'RE SO SURE THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS AND DENYING THE POWER THEREOF, YOU SHOULD HAVE TURNED AWAY! according to what you're now quoting!

That was why i set the rules to block all of those unchristian traits and insisted we base the discussion on friendly presentations of our beliefs, the practical applications and it's benefits for adherents!

The only thing that's still holding you back now is that you're only making presentations of your beliefs {quoting the scriptures} which i also did, but the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS to those adhering to it you have failed to produce!

When last did I explain any Scripture to you?
It means a shut down!

Janosky:
Solite3 na one of dem falsehood crew of shadeyinka, johnw,nutarious etc.
Na dem dem....

you seem to label anyone that does not agree with you a liar. Seek the truth of Jesus my friend before it is too late.

solite3:
What is the purpose of creating these rules

FAITH is the predominant heritage of God's people and it is characterised by virtuous attributes, so there should be a clear distinction between podium of atheists and of those having FAITH!
It brings no glory to the one true God of whom we are claiming to be Witnesses if we're not respectful and well behaved in everything we do as Christians! 1Peter 2:12,3:15 compared to Galatians 5:22-23

God bless you Sir!

shadeyinka:
When last did I explain any Scripture to you?
It means a shut down!

Of course you've tried that several times, but what you couldn't do is helping your audience by analysing the practical aspect of the scriptures you're quoting and how it is benefiting those adhering to your teachings!

For instance, you and your folks are claiming that Jehovah and Jesus are the same person, and of course you have quoted lots of scriptures to back your claim.


But if that is true,what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION behind this teaching?

How do believers worship the God that came as a servant of himself, prayed to himself, offered himself to himself, glorified himself, talk to and answered himself, forsook himself, sacrificed himself to prove loyalty to himself, while he is dead he resurrected himself so as to exalt himself above himself, waited by his own right hand to place his own enemies under himself,so after defeating Satan and the demons he turned his own kingdom to himself?

Because Christians are supposed to help unbelievers understand the wisdom in faith and it is appropriate for honesthearted and sincerely interested persons who wish to become the worshipers of the most high God to ask thought provoking questions they may encounter when they finally agreed to dedicate themselves to God and become kingdom evangelizers too! Act 17:11

Then the BENEFITS!
Those adhering to this teachings must be SEPARATE from unbelievers by the virtue of their lifestyles, activities and mode of worship! John 17:14-19
Their must be certain privileges they will have within their gathering that unbelievers can't! Galatians 5:22-23

Maximus69:
Of course you've tried that several times, but what you couldn't do is helping your audience by analysing the practical aspect of the scriptures you're quoting and how it is benefiting those adhering to your teachings!

For instance, you and your folks are claiming that Jehovah and Jesus are the same person, and of course you have quoted lots of scriptures to back your claim.


But if that is true,what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION behind this teaching?

How do believers worship the God that came as a servant of himself, prayed to himself, offered himself to himself, glorified himself, talk to and answered himself, forsook himself, sacrificed himself to prove loyalty to himself, while he is dead he resurrected himself so as to exalt himself above himself, waited by his own right hand to place his own enemies under himself,so after defeating Satan and the demons he turned his own kingdom to himself?

Because Christians are supposed to help unbelievers understand the wisdom in faith and it is appropriate for honesthearted and sincerely interested persons who wish to become the worshipers of the most high God to ask thought provoking questions they may encounter when they finally agreed to dedicate themselves to God and become kingdom evangelizers too! Act 17:11

Then the BENEFITS!
Those adhering to this teachings must be SEPARATE from unbelievers by the virtue of their lifestyles, activities and mode of worship! John 17:14-19
Their must be certain privileges they will have within their gathering that unbelievers can't! Galatians 5:22-23

Just like the Moonies, the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star, the Mormons...all separate from Christ but bound blindly to their respective organisation!

solite3:
i didn't come here for argument but to expose the false teachings of Jehovah witness.
There is no time for all these bantering,
Check the truth for yourself and save your souls.

Exposure is good!

But there must be certain VIVID benefits for those who are opportuned to acquire such informations to distinguish them from ignorant people!

So if you're saying i've come to expose falsehood and there is nothing to show as evidence that you know what you're saying. It will just be like your words against that of your opposition!

That was why Jesus always explain how the teachings of the Pharisees is causing great havoc in the society during his own time! Matthew 15:4-6, 19:3-9, 23:23-24

Jesus NEVER threw words into the air without explaining how it will work for the benefit of one and all! Matthew 7:1-5
So according to Jesus and his first century followers, FAITH must bear virtuous FRUITS or WORKS! Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:18-26

God bless you Sir!

shadeyinka:
Just like the Moonies, the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star, the Mormons...all separate from Christ but bound blindly to their respective organisation!

There you go again Sir!

Leave those ones for the moment and tell the audience what are the practical applications of what you're saying and the benefits for those doing it!

Nobody is asking you how many religions are out there practicing falsehood, all we're asking is tell us what is on ground for those doing the one you're preaching! Mark 10:28-30