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Maximus69:
There you go again Sir!

Leave those ones for the moment and tell the audience what are the practical applications of what you're saying and the benefits for those doing it!

Nobody is asking you how many religions are out there practicing falsehood, all we're asking is tell us what is there for those doing the one you're preaching! Mark 10:28-30

You resemble them so much: just so that you see!

shadeyinka ... Good evening

shadeyinka:
I wish you had addressed each of the SIX characters of the Holy Spirit I raised but instead, you choose to ignore them to raise your own single point alternate idea. No problem.

I did address them, I said *Personification does not prove personality*

It's like a chess game. It's almost impossible to check a king by just one piece. To check a king, you use multiple pieces and the more simultaneously checking the king, the less probable that the opponent can rescue his king. In this case, I gave you SIX simultaneous/concurrent characters of the Holy Spirit to show that He isn't a thing but a being. It's not one or two, but six.

I said those are Personification.

The objection I raise will either Commend me or prove me wrong.

On your objection: why the Holy spirit wasn't included in Mt24:36.
I don't know! Jesus said just what we needed to hear without complicating things for us. And the Holy Spirit is never in the class of Angels. In fact, Jesus taught things that seem scary about the Holy Spirit

You should know!

Funny thing is your I don't know spells trouble, because it would mean Holy spirit is among the " Nobody knows " , true ?

Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

This Scripture is similar to Mt24:36 with respect to your question:
Can you please answer why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?


In spite of this, I will answer yours

1. Jesus wasn't teaching about God or His personality. Jesus was talking about the knowledge about the "when" the kingdom of God will be established.
2. Jesus didn't teach explicitly EVERYTHING about doctrine to His Disciples
And that's why Jesus said
John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."

In other words, Jesus didn't explicitly teach or said everything we sight to know as Christians.

3. And the purpose of the Scriptures wasn't to explicitly put down in writing EVERYTHING Jesus said or Did.
John 21:25:
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

Totally off point, in fact going by the highlighted if the holy spirit is a person, does that not prove holy spirit is Greater than Jesus ?

*Now let me state clearly that I have no single issue with Jesus statement, because I see holy spirit as power of the most high, so I understand why Jesus consider speaking against it more sinful than speaking against Jesus himself. The Father , who owns the holy spirit ...is greater than Christ

On your second argument

I will reply you in a question form:
Is God a "someone" or "somebody" or "something"?
Is God then a "No one" or "Nobody" or "Nothing"?

I totally don't understand the basis of the above, if you are trying to say God is 3 in one person , I won't buy the idea


Matthew 24:36 SEPARATE Father, from , son. It says ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS. Totally neglecting the identity of holy spirit.

Two options here!

1. holy spirit isn't God or a person and doesn't know.

2. holy spirit isn't a person but the power of the Father himself.

shadeyinka:
You resemble them so much: just so that you see!

Have you examined them THOROUGHLY by asking what each one of them have to say regarding their PERSONAL conviction?
Remember that was what i demanded after hearing you say 'i worship with ECWA, but church doctrine don't define me' i said it's OK, let each of us defend his own PERSONAL conviction. And while we were doing that, your brother alBHAGDADI started shouting 'these are the general beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Please Sir, it's GROSS sin as in Pharisaic traits when you label people without allowing them speak for themselves! John 7:51

That is why we Jehovah's Witnesses are so confident to preach to any of your folks regardless of the religion they belong to, because we know that each of you have his/her own divers opinion, unlike JWs that have one line of thought globally! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

So if you accuse me in Nigeria of what JWs in Australia or Japan or Norway or Canada or Russia believes, i will stand and answer to defend my brothers and sisters on that! Matthew 15:1-11, Luke 5:33-35

That is not the case with your own folks, because even the doctrine of ECWA{the church you attends every Sunday} don't define you, which mean nobody should ask you to defend the beliefs of your church members in kogi NOT even the beliefs of those inside the same building where you worship! 1Corinthians 12:25-26

Barristter07:
shadeyinka ... Good evening



I did address them, I said *Personification does not prove personality*



I said those are Personification.

The objection I raise will either Commend me or prove me wrong.





You should know!

Funny thing is your I don't know spells trouble, because it would mean Holy spirit is among the " Nobody knows " , true ?



Totally off point, in fact going by the highlighted if the holy spirit is a person, does that not prove holy spirit is Greater than Jesus ?

*Now let me state clearly that I have no single issue with Jesus statement, because I see holy spirit as power of the most high, so I understand why Jesus consider speaking against it more sinful than speaking against Jesus himself. The Father , who owns the holy spirit ...is greater than Christ



I totally don't understand the basis of the above, if you are trying to say God is 3 in one person , I won't buy the idea


Matthew 24:36 SEPARATE Father, from , son. It says ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS. Totally neglecting the identity of holy spirit.

Two options here!

1. holy spirit isn't God or a person and doesn't know.

2. holy spirit isn't a person but the power of the Father himself.

You ignore the Scriptures provided with a single excuse that personification is not a prove of Personality. May I ask you:
1. How can one prove a figure is a personality?
2. I asked you a question which you as usual ignored.
From Mt24:36-38 with respect to your question:
Can you please answer why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?

"God is a Spirit" AND "God is a Holy Spirit" are two contradictory statements as far as JW organisation is concerned.

You error is borne from the fact that you don't even know what a spirit is. If you know, what is a spirit?

@solite3

Please Sir, do you just quote the scriptures and leave without further explanations on what you want people to do?

Because if it is about quoting the scriptures offhand i can tell you that none of your pastors can stand one of JWs to do that!

So what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of all your posts and how does it BENEFIT people?

Remember that even an insane when given a microphone could talk for hours divulging whatever is in his brains or whatever he is given to read out, but where he will face a great challenge is when asked to present the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS of all his theories!

Maximus69:
Have you examined them THOROUGHLY by asking what each one of them have to say regarding their PERSONAL conviction?
Remember that was what i demanded after hearing you say 'i worship with ECWA, but church doctrine don't define me' i said it's OK, let each of us defend his own PERSONAL conviction. And while we were doing that, your brother alBHAGDADI started shouting 'these are the general beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Please Sir, it's GROSS sin as in Pharisaic traits when you label people without allowing them speak for themselves! John 7:51

That is why we Jehovah's Witnesses are so confident to preach to any of your folks regardless of the religion they belong to, because we know that each of you have his/her own divers opinion, unlike JWs that have one line of thought globally! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

So if you accuse me in Nigeria of what JWs in Australia or Japan or Norway or Canada or Russia believes, i will stand and answer to defend my brothers and sisters on that! Matthew 15:1-11, Luke 5:33-35

That is not the case with your own folks, because even the doctrine of ECWA{the church you attends every Sunday} don't define you, which mean nobody should ask you to defend the beliefs of your church members in kogi NOT even the beliefs of those inside the same building where you worship! 1Corinthians 12:25-26

You are identical in the sense that for each of these organisations (JWs, BCS, Moonies, Mormons): their organisation decides what they believe (one line of thought), each claim to be the true Christian organisation, they have their own manner of worship, they Separate themselves from other Christians etc.

The similarity is striking and great!

Don't forget, that they all claim they use the bible as authority!

shadeyinka:
You are identical in the sense that for each of these organisations (JWs, BCS, Moonies, Mormons): their organisation decides what they believe (one line of thought), each claim to be the true Christian organisation, they have their own manner of worship, they Separate themselves from other Christians etc.
The similarity is striking and great!
Don't forget, that they all claim they use the bible as authority!

That is OK!

I won't say you IGNORED or DODGE but permit me to say you've digressed from my question Sir!

So can you now convince the audience regarding the practical applications of your beliefs and it's benefit?

If i'm a Sango worshiper and you want to preach your Jesus to me, you can't just expect me to jump at you simply because you've come with a book!

At least i need to know the practical application of what you've brought and the benefits in order to make comparisons with what i had before!

Please that is the way all sane individuals reason!

Maximus69:
That is OK!

I won't say you IGNORED or DODGE but permit me to say you've digressed from my question Sir!

So can you now convince the audience regarding the practical applications of your beliefs and it's benefit?

If i'm a Sango worshiper and you want to preach your Jesus to me, you can't just expect me to jump at you simply because you've come with a book!

At least i need to know the practical application of what you've brought and the benefits in order to make comparisons with what i had before!

Please that is the way all sane individuals reason!

You will note that I have not accused any of these organisations of anything. I just said you are very similar in what you claim as uniqueness!

To answer your question:
I have personally interacted with a few of their members (from each of those organisations except for the Moonies) hence I have an idea of what each one believes. But, I am not judging: I am only pointing out how greatly alike with them your organisation is.

shadeyinka:
You will note that I have not accused any of these organisations of anything. I just said you are very similar in what you claim as uniqueness!

To answer your question:
I have personally interacted with a few of their members (from each of those organisations except for the Moonies) hence I have an idea of what each one believes. But, I am not judging: I am only pointing out how greatly alike with them your organisation is.

Eeyaa!
That is not acceptable Sir!

Because you yourself said you've studied the Bible with JWs before and you were able to know most of what we believe through the course of our study. Yet you insisted on asking questions on social media again after all those studies with JWs!

Now there are not just two or three witnesses to what JWs believes globally! But you can't expect right thinking followers of Nairaland to believe that you actually spoke with all those people to know everything about their religious beliefs in the absence of no single witness! Whereas Jehovah's Witnesses that you yourself confessed you studied the Bible with them, you're still anticipating to ask us more questions, please for what purpose Sir?

Before your story could hold, try to call them here on NL, ask them questions and allow them speak for themselves. Then it will not be what you're saying but what all followers on Nairaland witnessed!

That is how you did with JWs who are ever ready to defend what their brothers and sisters in far away lands believe, try the same method with those groups so that everyone can SEE what they actually believe Sir!

So back to the question Sir,
Can you now educate the audience on the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS of your religious theories?

shadeyinka:
You ignore the Scriptures provided with a single excuse that personification is not a prove of Personality. May I ask you:
1. How can one prove a figure is a personality?

Its why I ask: Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

If its a person, it should also be God and thus should know .

2. I asked you a question which you as usual ignored.
From Mt24:36-38 with respect to your question:
Can you please answer why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?

I told you your question is dead on arrival, The Father owns this powerful force, so no need mentioning him .

It Generate the question: If holy spirit is a person, does that not prove its greater than Jesus?

"God is a Spirit" AND "God is a Holy Spirit" are two contradictory statements as far as JW organisation is concerned.

You error is borne from the fact that you don't even know what a spirit is. If you know, what is a spirit?

.
You can switch to modalism, its allowed

Is the Father the same as Holy spirit ??

Maximus69:
Eeyaa!
That is not acceptable Sir!

Because you yourself said you've studied the Bible with JWs before and you were able to know most of what we believe through the course of our study. Yet you insisted on asking questions on social media again after all those studies with JWs!

Now there are not just two or three witnesses to what JWs believes globally! But you can't expect right thinking followers of Nairaland to believe that you actually spoke with all those people to know everything about their religious beliefs in the absence of no single witness! Whereas Jehovah's Witnesses that you yourself confessed you studied the Bible with them, you're still anticipating to ask us more questions, please for what purpose Sir?

Before your story could hold, try to call them here on NL, ask them questions and allow them speak for themselves. Then it will not be what you're saying but what all followers on Nairaland witnessed!

That is how you did with JWs who are ever ready to defend what their brothers and sisters in far away lands believe, try the same method with those groups so that everyone can SEE what they actually believe Sir!

So back to the question Sir,
Can you now educate the audience on the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS of your religious theories?

Like I said, I haven't come to judge them. All I did was just to point out how alike and similar you are to them. All you've written doesn't make you different from those other organizations. In fact your similarity is far more greater than your Differences.

Do you think I've spoken against them to you? Hence, you need not worry about me calling them out on Nairaland. The fact is what you claim is also true of these organisations.

Religious theories?
No!
This is what the Bible teaches and I uphold:

1. The purpose of human continuous existence is to glorify God in all things.
2. Because humans have the nature of sin, they cannot please nor glorify God
3. The wages of sin is death. Where death here isn't Physical death but Spiritual death (Disconnection from God)
4. Because of God's love for man, he made a payment as Ransome for our sin through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God (Jesus) on the cross at Calvary
5. Whoever believe and recieved the gift of God through faith is saved from the consequence of sin (spiritual death/Disconnection) but recieved eternal life (with God). His name written in the book of life.
6. A person who receives this grace recieved the Holy Spirit as a seal of sonship (ownership of God) and given the power to become the sons of God
7. Such a person is Born Again and hence is expected to
a. Love others as himself
b. Serve God with his spiritual gifts and talents
c. Witnessing to others for salvation
8. This works are to be done according to the rule of righteousness.
9. Even though we are not saved by works, we shall be rewarded according to how faithfully we have done our duty as stewards
10. He who doesn't believe in the atonement of Christ is condemned already.

Barristter07:
Its why I ask: Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

If its a person, it should also be God and thus should know .



I told you your question is dead on arrival, The Father owns this powerful force, so no need mentioning him .

It Generate the question: If holy spirit is a person, does that not prove its greater than Jesus?

.
You can switch to modalism, its allowed

Is the Father the same as Holy spirit ??

You see how you dodge questions!?
1. How can one prove that a figure is a personality?

The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God

I think I have answered your question explicitly on whether the Holy Spirit know the day or no!

2. What is a Spirit?


3. Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

With respect to your answer on why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?

You say the Father owns this powerful force!
If that is true, then the Father should be the object of Jesus discuss not the Holy Spirit. For the Father should be more important than the Holy Spirit. According to you, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit who is just a lifeless thing/force that belong to the Father.

Hence,
Jesus should have said:

..... but the blasphemy against the Father shall not be forgiven to men.

You are wrong. Very wrong

4. Can you please define the term force?

shadeyinka:
You see how you dodge questions!?
1. How can one prove that a figure is a personality?

The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God


I think I have answered your question explicitly on whether the Holy Spirit know the day or no!

where and when did you answer ?

Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

2. What is a Spirit?


Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

With respect to your answer on why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?

You say the Father owns this powerful force!
If that is true, then the Father should be the object of Jesus discuss not the Holy Spirit. For the Father should be more important than the Holy Spirit. According to you, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit who is just a lifeless thing/force that belong to the Father.

Hence,
Jesus should have said:

..... but the blasphemy against the Father shall not be forgiven to men.

You are wrong. Very wrong

If am wrong, you whom is right, do you accept it means the holy spirit is GREATER than Jesus ?

shadeyinka:
You see how you dodge questions!?
1. How can one prove that a figure is a personality?

The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God

It says ONLY THE FATHER knows!

Since you admit holy spirit is Not the Father . Do you now admit the holy spirit doesn't know ? Which shows it not even a God!

Jesus omitting it from heavenly beings, Father , son and angels ... Proved beyond doubt it's not among persons

Barristter07:
where and when did you answer ?

Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

You asked why the Holy spirit wasn't included in Mt24:36.

Barristter07:
If am wrong, you whom is right, do you accept it means the holy spirit is GREATER than Jesus ?

You are the one insinuating that the Holy Spirit is just a mere Force not me.
And it is not given to any man to discuss "seniority" of the Godhead.
The Holy Spirit isn't a mere force, He is a person.

Now, exactly as you have ignored each Scripture showing that the Holy Spirit is a person you have ignored 4 separate questions I asked you. I even numbered them for you not to miss them.

If you don't explicitly answer those questions, consider this conversation over. The questions are simple and direct enough!

shadeyinka:
You see how you dodge questions!?
1. How can one prove that a figure is a personality?

The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God

I think I have answered your question explicitly on whether the Holy Spirit know the day or no!

2. What is a Spirit?


3. Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

With respect to your answer on why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?

You say the Father owns this powerful force!
If that is true, then the Father should be the object of Jesus discuss not the Holy Spirit. For the Father should be more important than the Holy Spirit. According to you, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit who is just a lifeless thing/force that belong to the Father.

Hence,
Jesus should have said:

..... but the blasphemy against the Father shall not be forgiven to men.

You are wrong. Very wrong

4. Can you please define the term force?

shadeyinka:
You asked why the Holy spirit wasn't included in Mt24:36.

Father , son But holy spirit ommited .

You are the one insinuating that the Holy Spirit is just a mere Force not me.
And it is not given to any man to discuss "seniority" of the Godhead.

O ma se o

But Saying Father is greater than son is normal but when a Text shows holy spirit as Greater it becomes abomination. The extent of your delusion is great

The Holy Spirit isn't a mere force, He is a person.

Yet so insignificant that angels are recognized without it getting recognition? Person indeed ( Matt 24:36)

Now, exactly as you have ignored each Scripture showing that the Holy Spirit is a person you have ignored 4 separate questions I asked you. I even numbered them for you not to miss them.

If you don't explicitly answer those questions, consider this conversation over. The questions are simple and direct enough!

If holy spirit is God, why didn't it know the day and hour ?

Barristter07:
It says ONLY THE FATHER knows!

Since you admit holy spirit is Not the Father . Do you now admit the holy spirit doesn't know ? Which shows it not even a God!

Jesus omitting it from heavenly beings, Father , son and angels ... Proved beyond doubt it's not among persons

.

Barristter07:
Father , son But holy spirit ommited .



O ma se o

But Saying Father is greater than son is normal but when a Text shows holy spirit as Greater it becomes abomination. The extent of your delusion is great



Yet so insignificant that angels are recognized without it getting recognition? Person indeed ( Matt 24:36)



If holy spirit is God, why didn't it know the day and hour ?

Modified!

1. As I have told you before, I refuse to answer you until you answer my questions first
2. I think it is a complete lack of respect, reverence and honour for you to use "it" for the Holy Spirit. It shows exactly the kind of spirit that works in you.

I don't know where you got the example from: certainly not from the Scriptures but from the kingdom of Satan! The Holy Spirit is ALWAYS a He in the Bible.

God is the Word is the Holy Spirit

@bold, God made the heavens. @underline, by His holy Spirit

Psa 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.



@bold, Father God made the heaven and the earth. @underline, by His holy Spirit

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.



Jesus

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Maximus69:
@solite3

Please Sir, do you just quote the scriptures and leave without further explanations on what you want people to do?

Because if it is about quoting the scriptures offhand i can tell you that none of your pastors can stand one of JWs to do that!

So what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of all your posts and how does it BENEFIT people?

Remember that even an insane when given a microphone could talk for hours divulging whatever is in his brains or whatever he is given to read out, but where he will face a great challenge is when asked to present the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS of all his theories!

To you the bible is just a theory. Smh


if it is of no benefit to you allow others.
The benefit is to free some prisoners of Jehovah witness organisation.

shadeyinka:
Like I said, I haven't come to judge them. All I did was just to point out how alike and similar you are to them. All you've written doesn't make you different from those other organizations. In fact your similarity is far more greater than your Differences.

Do you think I've spoken against them to you? Hence, you need not worry about me calling them out on Nairaland. The fact is what you claim is also true of these organisations.

Religious theories?
No!
This is what the Bible teaches and I uphold:

1. The purpose of human continuous existence is to glorify God in all things.
2. Because humans have the nature of sin, they cannot please nor glorify God
3. The wages of sin is death. Where death here isn't Physical death but Spiritual death (Disconnection from God)
4. Because of God's love for man, he made a payment as Ransome for our sin through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God (Jesus) on the cross at Calvary
5. Whoever believe and recieved the gift of God through faith is saved from the consequence of sin (spiritual death/Disconnection) but recieved eternal life (with God). His name written in the book of life.
6. A person who receives this grace recieved the Holy Spirit as a seal of sonship (ownership of God) and given the power to become the sons of God
7. Such a person is Born Again and hence is expected to
a. Love others as himself
b. Serve God with his spiritual gifts and talents
c. Witnessing to others for salvation
8. This works are to be done according to the rule of righteousness.
9. Even though we are not saved by works, we shall be rewarded according to how faithfully we have done our duty as stewards
10. He who doesn't believe in the atonement of Christ is condemned already.

Well it is clearer than ever now that you don't know what PRACTICAL means, so you can't even grasp the word APPLICATION nor BENEFITS!

So let me educate you a bit Sir.

All the religions under the heavens have one thing or the other that they strongly believe as something they WILL GAIN IN THE AFTERLIFE. That is where all the religions you can think of becomes equal no matter what or how you define them. Even atheists also claim that life on earth is just a part of the circle of reincarnation.

But none of all this religions have any PRACTICAL APPLICATION that is of any BENEFIT to both themselves and neighbours other than their head knowledge of theories!

Jehovah's Witnesses started around 1870s and today we have made lots of improvements in what we preach and teach. For instance:
¤ JWs teachings have CHANGED millions of war mongers to peace seekers [PRACTICAL]
Therefore if all the people on earth are JWs WARS WILL SEIZE GLOBALLY [BENEFIT]. Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:2-4
¤ JWs teachings have CHANGED the mental attitude of millions from desperately seeking riches to simple lifestyles [PRACTICAL]
Therefore if all the people on earth are JWs GREED WILL BE NO MORE [BENEFIT] 1Timothy 6:9-10
¤JWs teachings have CHANGED the mindset of millions of racist seeing other nationales as brothers and sisters [PRACTICAL]
Therefore i can travel to any part of the earth now and i need not lodge in an hotel because my families are there waiting to welcome me [BENEFIT] Mark 10:28-30
¤JWs teachings have CHANGED the mindset of millions of disobedient youths to respectful and easygoing citizens [PRACTICAL] 2Timothy 3:1-5
Therefore if all the youths are JWs there will be no protesters, villains, drug addicts, robbers and so on within our society [BENEFIT] Galatians 5:22-23
Just to mention few Sir!
That is what i call PRACTICAL APPLICATION and BENEFITS of what the book Bible has done with JWs.
Before we now go to what awaits those who are able to utilise the teachings and made such changes in their lives {John 3:16} NOT when you're claiming to be teachers of some theories that's not of any benefits in the lives of those you teach! James 2:18-26

solite3:
To you the bible is just a theory. Smh


if it is of no benefit to you allow others.
The benefit is to free some prisoners of Jehovah witness organisation.

If you can't present a single organization that is globally doing God's will as a family {Act 1:8} then your lips praises of Jesus is tantamount to futility! Matthew 15:8
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously and industriously working round the clock, changing the mindset, lifestyle and attitude of millions around the globe!
Whatever you have against us now is as a result of Satan's cobweb over your spiritual insight! 2Corinthians 4:4
So try to present a group that is doing God's will just as Jesus promised {John 17:14-23 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10, Philippians 2:2} otherwise you're the one needing to be rescued out of Satan's grip! 1John 519

Maximus69:


let me educate you a bit Sir.


¤ JWs teachings have CHANGED the mental attitude of millions from desperately seeking riches to simple lifestyles [PRACTICAL]
Therefore if all the people on earth are JWs GREED WILL BE NO MORE [BENEFIT] 1Timothy 6:9-10

false jw max
yet you often brag about your financial prosperity and standing in the world,
how you can afford to buy your wife expensive coloured fingernail paint e.g.
while perhaps we poor christians cannot afford it

Maximus69:
My heavenly friend,
My wife just got a polish colour that i love for her nails so perhaps you too can afford it for your wife, she deserves to be treated like a queen NOT a house help Sir?

you again false jw max brag about finger nails and expensive finger nail paint:

Maximus69:


Well those are the beautiful things of nature you can never find anywhere else but here on earth where you can SEE, FEEL and TOUCH natural things!
It's just a pity that you can't afford this for now, so try to listen and learn the truth so that when God's kingdom comes you will be able to take good care of your wife and make her feel like a QUEEN.

hypercrit max

and of course you don't know my financial standing
but accusing-lying comes natural to you false jw's, doesn't it:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


ha ha, pharisee max you think you are so clever, but cannot see just how duh you really are


Mat 23:27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 
Mat 23:28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Maximus69:
Well it is clearer than ever now that you don't know what PRACTICAL means, so you can't even grasp the word APPLICATION nor BENEFITS!

So let me educate you a bit Sir.

All the religions under the heavens have one thing or the other that they strongly believe as something they WILL GAIN IN THE AFTERLIFE. That is where all the religions you can think of becomes equal no matter what or how you define them. Even atheists also claim that life on earth is just a part of the circle of reincarnation.

But none of all this religions have any PRACTICAL APPLICATION that is of any BENEFIT to both themselves and neighbours other than their head knowledge of theories!

Jehovah's Witnesses started around 1870s and today we have made lots of improvements in what we preach and teach. For instance:
¤ JWs teachings have CHANGED millions of war mongers to peace seekers [PRACTICAL]
Therefore if all the people on earth are JWs WARS WILL SEIZE GLOBALLY [BENEFIT]. Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:2-4
¤ JWs teachings have CHANGED the mental attitude of millions from desperately seeking riches to simple lifestyles [PRACTICAL]
Therefore if all the people on earth are JWs GREED WILL BE NO MORE [BENEFIT] 1Timothy 6:9-10
¤JWs teachings have CHANGED the mindset of millions of racist seeing other nationales as brothers and sisters [PRACTICAL]
Therefore i can travel to any part of the earth now and i need not lodge in an hotel because my families are there waiting to welcome me [BENEFIT] Mark 10:28-30
¤JWs teachings have CHANGED the mindset of millions of disobedient youths to respectful and easygoing citizens [PRACTICAL] 2Timothy 3:1-5
Therefore if all the youths are JWs there will be no protesters, villains, drug addicts, robbers and so on within our society [BENEFIT] Galatians 5:22-23
Just to mention few Sir!
That is what i call PRACTICAL APPLICATION and BENEFITS of what the book Bible has done with JWs.
Before we now go to what awaits those who are able to utilise the teachings and made such changes in their lives {John 3:16} NOT when you're claiming to be teachers of some theories that's not of any benefits in the lives of those you teach! James 2:18-26

I was very careful in answering your highly ambiguous question as if I knew you will pick on words. That was why I answered you without using your ambiguous words. Except you disagre with any of the points I have raised.

I see you've come to do chest beating again like an orangutan will do after eating enough bananas that he found in the bush. If that is what you mean by application , you are worthy to be most pitied among men

Let me tell you what Jesus told us to do as per your so called "application" :

Luk 17:10:
"So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you , say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

Here you are boasting of Physical things when we all know that our works are graded not by us but by our saviour
1Cor 3:12-14:
"Now if any man build on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."

That was highly immature of you to list all those as a compliment; Very immature!

And most of all the most important ingredient is ABSENT. Any work devoid of LOVE is useless. Can you show me a single place you used the word LOVE? Let me tell you what the Bible says

Mar 12:33-34:
"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that dared ask him any question."
1Cor 13:1-3:
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."


So you see, while comparing with my item 7a: you failed miserably! Without love, you have failed miserably.

As I close knowing that you have nothing else of value to say, let me leave you with

Eph 2:9: "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Go work on LOVING God and LOVING your neighbors. That is the greatest commandment you should have kept rather than empty activities.

You needn't reply and if you do, Goodluck to you. The case is closed officially with you.

shadeyinka:
Modified!

1. As I have told you before, I refuse to answer you until you answer my questions first

You can have your way, I know that's too complicated for you to answer .

2. I think it is a complete lack of respect, reverence and honour for you to use "it" for the Holy Spirit. It shows exactly the kind of spirit that works in you.

I don't know where you got the example from: certainly not from the Scriptures but from the kingdom of Satan! The Holy Spirit is ALWAYS a He in the Bible .

The more I discuss with you, the more I realize how much you have been brainwashed, when KJV was busy calling holy spirit " it " , its all right , what else can I expect from someone who doesn't know if his god the holy spirit knows the day or not.

Barristter07:
You can have your way, I know that's too complicated for you to answer .



The more I discuss with you, the more I realize how much you have been brainwashed, when KJV was busy calling holy spirit " it " , its all right , what else can I expect from someone who doesn't know if his god the holy spirit knows the day or not.

Shadeyinka,jnr Pharisee,emusan and their crew will always wallow in their blissful half baked theories until they can distinguish the different shades of meaning of the Greek words for "spirit",the source of their confusion on this thread.
Once they find out, they won't be on NL to argue blindly .

shadeyinka:
I was very careful in answering your highly ambiguous question as if I knew you will pick on words. That was why I answered you without using your ambiguous words. Except you disagre with any of the points I have raised.

I see you've come to do chest beating again like an orangutan will do after eating enough bananas that he found in the bush. If that is what you mean by application , you are worthy to be most pitied among men

Let me tell you what Jesus told us to do as per your so called "application" :

Luk 17:10:
"So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you , say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

Here you are boasting of Physical things when we all know that our works are graded not by us but by our saviour
1Cor 3:12-14:
"Now if any man build on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."

That was highly immature of you to list all those as a compliment; Very immature!

And most of all the most important ingredient is ABSENT. Any work devoid of LOVE is useless. Can you show me a single place you used the word LOVE? Let me tell you what the Bible says

Mar 12:33-34:
"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that dared ask him any question."
1Cor 13:1-3:
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."


So you see, while comparing with my item 7a: you failed miserably! Without love, you have failed miserably.

As I close knowing that you have nothing else of value to say, let me leave you with

Eph 2:9: "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Go work on LOVING God and LOVING your neighbors. That is the greatest commandment you should have kept rather than empty activities.

You needn't reply and if you do, Goodluck to you. The case is closed officially with you.

Are you so humiliated to point of begging me NOT to reply?

I thought you said i was the one running for Bible based discussion before, now you're the one running away from seeing your flawed doctrines!
O ma seo!

Well because you've made it a public thread rather than the one on one discussion we initially began, i must give a reply Sir!

If all you can do is to read and quote the Bible, remember that Satan and his demons can easily do the same! Matthew 4:6
But what they will never do is to talk about the PRACTICAL APPLICATION or BENEFITS of what their theory will bring because it will certainly leads nowhere than destruction!

Whatever theory that is not PRACTICABLE by any visible group is a LIE Sir, that's why Jesus called the Pharisees sons of Satan as all their theories is not applicable neither bringing any benefit to those they're teaching! John 8:44

Jesus will NEVER quote any scripture without explaining how it should be applied in the practical sense {Matthew 19:3-9} and he will also tell you what you should expect after applying it. So that if you did not get the result, then you should go back to your theory because it means such theory is WRONG! Matthew 7:24-27

We are Jehovah's Witnesses! We will always beat you hands down with the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of our teachings and the BENEFITS that is obvious to all{Isaiah 54:17} until you conform to the theory that's WORKING {James 2:18-26} otherwise shame is your name Sir! Luke 14:28-30

shadeyinka:
I was very careful in answering your highly ambiguous question as if I knew you will pick on words. That was why I answered you without using your ambiguous words. Except you disagre with any of the points I have raised.

I see you've come to do chest beating again like an orangutan will do after eating enough bananas that he found in the bush. If that is what you mean by application , you are worthy to be most pitied among men

Let me tell you what Jesus told us to do as per your so called "application" :

Luk 17:10:
"So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you , say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

Here you are boasting of Physical things when we all know that our works are graded not by us but by our saviour
1Cor 3:12-14:
"Now if any man build on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."

That was highly immature of you to list all those as a compliment; Very immature!

And most of all the most important ingredient is ABSENT. Any work devoid of LOVE is useless. Can you show me a single place you used the word LOVE? Let me tell you what the Bible says

Mar 12:33-34:
"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that dared ask him any question."
1Cor 13:1-3:
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."


So you see, while comparing with my item 7a: you failed miserably! Without love, you have failed miserably.

As I close knowing that you have nothing else of value to say, let me leave you with

Eph 2:9: "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Go work on LOVING God and LOVING your neighbors. That is the greatest commandment you should have kept rather than empty activities.

You needn't reply and if you do, Goodluck to you. The case is closed officially with you.

These is really serious!

Please shadeyinka, what exactly are you saying here?

Because Maximus is telling the world how LOVE is working what is virtuous amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! And i know this must have moved him to join this happy global family.

All your quotations are pointing to the same thing LOVE. But it's application you're not explaining and the only organization that's fulfilling these law of LOVE are Jehovah's Witnesses(as far as Maximus is concerned)!
Maximus has said a lot about the LOVE that permeates JW organization, but noteworthy is one part he mentioned. "if i travel to any part of the world, i don't need lodging in an hotel because my (spiritual) family are waiting to welcome me" Mark 10:28-30
It's like Maximus can travel to any place on this planet and FEEL AT HOME because his brothers and sisters(JWs) are there!
Can you just dream of the same with your so called born again brethren in ECWA or the none~denominationals?

If not LOVE (Joh 13:34,35) then what could have made that possible within just one single organization of worshipers(apart from the unrealistic accusations you're levelling against them) in a world that's divided by POLITICS and RACISM?

Please can you expatiate on the PRACTICAL aspect of the LOVE you're quoting here, because i'm very sure you're not just insinuating that God's word is making up an illusion as in something not achievable!

TATIME:
These is really serious!

Please shadeyinka, what exactly are you saying here?

Because Maximus is telling the world how LOVE is working what is virtuous amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! And i know this must have moved him to join this happy global family.

All your quotations are pointing to the same thing LOVE. But it's application you're not explaining and the only organization that's fulfilling these law of LOVE are Jehovah's Witnesses(as far as Maximus is concerned)!
Maximus has said a lot about the LOVE that permeates JW organization, but noteworthy is one part he mentioned. "if i travel to any part of the world, i don't need lodging in an hotel because my (spiritual) family are waiting to welcome me" Mark 10:28-30
It's like Maximus can travel to any place on this planet and FEEL AT HOME because his brothers and sisters(JWs) are there!
Can you just dream of the same with your so called born again brethren in ECWA or the none~denominationals?

If not LOVE (Joh 13:34,35) then what could have made that possible within just one single organization of worshipers(apart from the unrealistic accusations you're levelling against them) in a world that's divided by POLITICS and RACISM?

Please can you expatiate on the PRACTICAL aspect of the LOVE you're quoting here, because i'm very sure you're not just insinuating that God's word is making up an illusion as in something not achievable!

1Cor 13:3:
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."

Sorry, the case is closed: activities don't prove love!

TATIME:
These is really serious!

Please shadeyinka, what exactly are you saying here?

Because Maximus is telling the world how LOVE is working what is virtuous amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! And i know this must have moved him to join this happy global family.

All your quotations are pointing to the same thing LOVE. But it's application you're not explaining and the only organization that's fulfilling these law of LOVE are Jehovah's Witnesses(as far as Maximus is concerned)!
Maximus has said a lot about the LOVE that permeates JW organization, but noteworthy is one part he mentioned. "if i travel to any part of the world, i don't need lodging in an hotel because my (spiritual) family are waiting to welcome me" Mark 10:28-30
It's like Maximus can travel to any place on this planet and FEEL AT HOME because his brothers and sisters(JWs) are there!
Can you just dream of the same with your so called born again brethren in ECWA or the none~denominationals?

If not LOVE (Joh 13:34,35) then what could have made that possible within just one single organization of worshipers(apart from the unrealistic accusations you're levelling against them) in a world that's divided by POLITICS and RACISM?

Please can you expatiate on the PRACTICAL aspect of the LOVE you're quoting here, because i'm very sure you're not just insinuating that God's word is making up an illusion as in something not achievable!

Good afternoon Sir, how's your wickend?
It's rainy and breezy here now!

I actually waited these long so as to give him the deadliest blow of his life!
Because if i had analysed the significance of what PRACTICAL APPLICATION and BENEFIT meant earlier than this, he won't have stayed this long. But now that he has exhausted all the gibberish the useless Pastor downloaded in his empty skull, let him now tell the world how PRACTICAL his lengthy theory of a Jesus without any unique group WORKS and the BENEFITS to all those worshiping such Jesus!

Gongoshu, Edidaare booti gbonto bee naa lo go to!

shadeyinka:
1Cor 13:3:
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."

Sorry, the case is closed: activities don't prove love!

Haaaaaaaaaaa!

If activities don't prove LOVE then what exactly did James meant when he said 'Faith without works is DEAD'?
Oponu Olodo!

Well let me educate you once again,
Everyone in Nigeria knew the politician that won an election with the highest voters from Lagos to Sokoto!
He spent a lot for poor people campaigning, he died in jail all because of democracy. Please for what did he died?
LOVE for more power!

So what kind of LOVE was Paul talking about here?

The Greeks have four different words translated as LOVE
(1) LOVE that's based on sexual attraction!
(2) LOVE that's based on family relations!
(3) LOVE that's based on returned favour!
(4) LOVE that's based on natural likeness for all living creatures!

He is talking about the fourth kind of LOVE that binds people together as ONE in worship {Matthew 12:47-49} irrespective of their class, race or social background! Mark 12:28-31 compared to John.13:34-35, 17:21-23, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

Without this type of LOVE, any other kind of LOVE is HYPOCRITICAL so they promote PREJUDICE Sir!

shadeyinka:
1Cor 13:3:
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing."

Sorry, the case is closed: activities don't prove love!

So can you now expatiate on what Paul meant there, let's sweep Maximus's explanation under the carpet for the main time to get a clearer understanding from your own personal viewpoint!