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Shepherd00:
You already know about Sodom and Gomorrah nau.
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

Leviticus 18:22-28
It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man

. Anyone who has sex with an animal is unclean. Don't make yourselves unclean by any of these disgusting practices of those nations that I am forcing out of the land for you.

They made themselves and the land so unclean, that I punished the land because of their sins, and I made it vomit them up.

Now don't do these sickening things that make the land filthy. Instead, obey my laws and teachings. Then the land won't become sick of you and vomit you up, just as it did them.

Judges 19:22-25
They were having a good time, when some worthless men of that town surrounded the house and started banging on the door and shouting, “A man came to your house tonight. Send him out, so we can have sex with him!”

The old man went outside and said, “My friends, please don't commit such a horrible crime against a man who is a guest in my house.

Let me send out my daughter instead. She's a virgin. And I'll even send out the man's wife.

You can rape them or do whatever else you want, but please don't do such a horrible thing to this man.”

The men refused to listen, so the Levite grabbed his wife and shoved her outside.

The men raped her and abused her all night long. Finally, they let her go just before sunrise,


Judges 20:12-13 The tribes of Israel sent messengers to every town and village in Benjamin.

And wherever the messengers went, they said, “How could those worthless men in Gibeah do such a disgusting thing?

We can't allow such a terrible crime to go unpunished in Israel! Hand the men over to us, and we will put them to death.”

But the people of Benjamin refused to listen to the other Israelites.

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 7)

Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.

EmperorHarry:
I know that from your viewpoint the Bible doesn't unambiguously and outrightly condemn homosexuality but there are folks with opposing view on here hence the 24 pages on this thread.

EmperorHarry, I beg to differ, it is not as you mistakenly put it, from my viewpoint, but is, looking at it, from the Bible's viewpoint, because the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next

1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods.

2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too

3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah

4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites".

The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites).

In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed

It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act.

5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with.

EmperorHarry, of course, all SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, the likes of Shepherd00 in particular, then TV01, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, Ubenedictus, Baddiezz, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Goshen360, elated177, jesusjnr, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, bloodofthelamb, OLAADEGBU, Bejusttoall, kkins25, alBHAGDADI etcetera as they, either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words.

EmperorHarry:
I'm neither here to support nor oppose anyone but homosexuality is not just about having sex with the same gender as one. It's just part of the whole and having a relationship without sexual intercourse doesn't mean your not in a relationship.
From the bible references I'm personally aware of Genesis (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans, homosexuality is reduced to just sexual relations which means being in a homosexual relationship without having sexual relations would be permissible unless there are verses that regard it as a whole(exual and nonsexual). I just wanna know if homos themselves are abominations and derserve such contempt and negativity due to their sexual orientation or if it's just the sexual part of it that seems to condemned in the Bible.

I am sure you are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union"

The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. EmperorHarry, you see, I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort.

As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back."

EmperorHarry:
... homosexuality is not just about having sex with the same gender as one. It's just part of the whole and having a relationship without sexual intercourse doesn't mean your not in a relationship.

EmperorHarry, let me put you at ease. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. EmperorHarry, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known.

With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

EmperorHarry:
... From the bible references I'm personally aware of Genesis (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans, ...

EmperorHarry, lies are necessary, when the truth is too difficult to believe. Be careful about what you're aware and believe about Genesis (i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans.

EmperorHarry:
...homosexuality is reduced to just sexual relations which means being in a homosexual relationship without having sexual relations would be permissible unless there are verses that regard it as a whole(sexual and nonsexual).

We learn something new if we are interested enough to dig deep

EmperorHarry, TV01 will have you know that the "homosexual" and "heterosexual" label adopted by the church and used in Bible, to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons are semantics. Well I can live that because it just shows the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon, just not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around, sexual abuse etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom is supposedly loved, faithful to, committed to, honest to, lasting that's life-long loyal to, and all these supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's either same sex or otherwise

EmperorHarry:
I just wanna know if homos themselves are abominations and derserve such contempt and negativity due to their sexual orientation or if it's just the sexual part of it that seems to condemned in the Bible.

EmperorHarry, you dont know any of these guys on this thread like I do. I know every single one of them. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, I know how and what they breathe, I know when and how they sleep, I know what they eat, know when, how and what they like eating, I know when they fart and shiit, I even know the color of their shiits sef. None of them, can share with you what they dont know, as the less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it

I kept telling and reminding them that, I had not only, mounted this homosexuality issue dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, it's after killing it, that I then went to dissect it, curious to find out what the dragon beast has been feeding on, and that EmperorHarry, is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this homosexuality issue dragon beast subject matter and how these guys tick too.

EmperorHarry, there are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures and this is because we have different paths of learning and growth

EmperorHarry, my door is always open to you, so dont hesistate to ask me questions on anything you need clarifications on. I might not for any moment, tell it all, but you can be reassured that, of all I tell, would be truth. I am fulfilled being a frank honest and truthful seen as an arsehole than being a well liked nasty liar

If you have only a day to live, fill it with study and sex. EmperorHarry, trust me on that, even TV01 can testify, at least to the latter part of that my another penny in the truth jar advice.

EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?

Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive.

Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Now, the reason, why most people cant accept that some people are naturally born to have same sex attraction (i.e. being gay) and this is alright, is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person, but that's a misconception posts on this thread will correctly be informing on

EmperorHarry, let's get this straight and in perspective, hmm. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same person until death do youse apart then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.

EmperorHarry:
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination. So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?

Now how and where in the first place, did you get your understanding of what was classed as abomination and why it was an abomination because not a single soul on this thread, has stepped up to boldly shed light on those two questions, all they've done is head off on a flight and avoiding the questions like they're a plague. So, whats your understanding EmperorHarry, about whats the abomination mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 about and how is it an abomination, hmm?

TV01:
There is no indication, pattern, type or example affirming SS relationshipns anywhere in the bible. Conversely the scriptures condemning it are clear-cut and unambiguous. How would such a relationship be sanctified, or deemed equal to marriage - if as MuttleyLaff himself states - it is not open to them?

There is, dont mind him. He couldnt and cant see it from the level he is at and the angle he is looking at it from

Shepherd00:
Pls ask him further why the HOMOSEXUAL ACT is met with a sentence of death everytime is mentioned since God does not condemn it.

I can provide scriptures.

EmperorHarry, this is what I earlier said about asking questions about something I've already and earlier given the answer to

Dont mind Shepherd00. I have twice answered provided the answer to this request. The first instance was on Page 6 of this thread and second instance is Page 13. He hasnt read it and hasnt been reading, that part of why he keeps on still making the request

EmperorHarry:
@bolded That would be helpful.

Believe it'll be helpful at your peril

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.

I am not going to start gloating and be saying, the four most beautiful "I told you so" common words.

TV01:
Viewed froma Christian perspective, this question is still somewhat faulty.

There is nothing like a "homosexual". That a person experiences SSA does not make him or her a homosexual. That is a matter of identification, which I don't deny anyone, but it is not scriptural or rooted in truth.

Everyone who comes to Christ sincerely has a place. And SSA or urges may well persist after one does so. THey key is not believing and insisting that such urges are fine, normal, healthy and non-negotiable (or conversely, approved by God).
So having the SS feelings but the right attitude, should engender the same love and support any other believer is afforded, whatever it is they may be struggling with. In such instances they are brethren and without any sort of qualification.

On he other hand, if they remain obdurate in claiming the essentality of their feelings and labelling themselves as homosexual, I would suggest asking them to leave after clear counselling and the opportunity to repent.

If, and worse still they stridently insisting it is God approved and /or millitantly agitated for it's acceptance, I would see them out quick time. You may consider that stigmatisation or victimisation, but it's scriptural. Of course there are "churches" which are gay-affirming.

On a personal note, we left a church which affirmed transgenderism in a boy of 5 or 6 years old. Not only was he allowed to dress as a girl and wear make-up and jewellery, the attention seeking little blighter poor child ran riot in Sunday school .


TV

I found quite a lot in the above post to be immediately unnerving, disconcerting and disquieting. I was thrown off balance by how SSA were belittled and looked down on. This is the sort and form of hate speech that's not to be supported. Comments not showing consideration for the needs of other people, comments expressing great pleasure and/or satisfaction of running fellow human beings out of church etcetera because of their sexual orientation, should never be encouraged nor tolerated.

Why do some people have a lack of empathy, be mocking such a sweet little boy like that, disparagingly call him a "the attention seeking little blighter poor child" etcetera, huh? Compassion, that the Bible implores us all to embrace, pursue and confront, is defined as a feeling of concern for the suffering of others, the ability to feel what others are feeling etcetera. Jesus taught all to love our neighbor, even to the point that we sacrifice of ourself for the neighbour, but TV01 with his comment there, has blatantly and unequivocally encouraged people to hate a SSA neighbour.

Muttley, when are you going to show us one example of same sex relationship/marriage approved of by God in the scriptures?

OkCornel:
Muttley, when are you going to show us one example of same sex relationship/marriage approved of by God in the scriptures?

I will show you when you are ready to admit to the lies & myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union, used to twist the Bible in favor of being against homosexuality

I will show you after you admit to parroting regurgitated Bible verses used to wrongly judge SSA people

I will show you after you agree to stop being the self-righteous person and a hypocrite, a supposedly Christian/believer you call yourself, yet you still in regards to SSA people, adhere to and follow the laws of sin. SMH, tsk, tsk, tsk.

I will show you when stop judging SSA people by the law of sin that you are ignorant of.

There are more before I'll show you, but some guys dont like reading long post, so I'll pause at those for now.

MuttleyLaff:
I will show you when you are ready to admit to the lies & myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union, used to twist the Bible in favor of being against homosexuality

I will show you after you admit to parroting regurgitated Bible verses used to wrongly judge SSA people

I will show you after you agree to stop being self-righteous person and a hypocrite, a supposedly Christian/believer you call yourself, yet you still adhere to and follow the laws of sin. SMH, tsk, tsk, tsk.

I will show you when stop judging SSA people by the law of sin that you are ignorant of.

There are more before I'll show you, but some guys dont like reading long post, so I'll pause at those for now.

Real comedy...

So you're telling us Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality...

And those who turned away from such after encountering Jesus are liars...

Those scriptures you've been dancing around, I will put them up here with various commentaries and interpretation from the original languages they were written into English.

One example of same sex relationship approved by God in the old or new testament shouldn't be too difficult to find.

OkCornel:
Real comedy...

The unfortunate part is, you arent good at real comedy, so please reconsider and dont jack in the day job, OK?

OkCornel:
So you're telling us Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality...

Capital Yes, as in, in the affirmative, I am categorically and unequivocably telling yall that Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality per se

OkCornel:
And those who turned away from such after encountering Jesus are liars...

You're just as bad as Shepherd00, repeating a question, you've earlier asked that has already been previously answered or responded to. Why do you guys do that hmm? Who does this?

OkCornel:
Those scriptures you've been dancing around, I will put them up here with various commentaries and interpretation from the original languages they were written into English.

You wouldnt have the need to put anything up, if you've had the strength and courage to admit the lies.

Why not first deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Why not start with the true and original meanings of terms like "porneia", "arsenokoites", "qadesh/qedeshah" "sodomite" that have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals, but translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons, hmm?

Maybe then, we can contextually examine together those scripture, being as I know that you STILL haven't properly and correctly read them, this is why you have to rely on various commentaries. You have not done your own private and personal study, you havent embraced and appreciated 2 Timothy 2:15. Tbh, you should make it your goal to live quietly, mind your own business, and study the Bible correctly and properly, just as I've told you before.

Somebody will just like to do pass themselves, will wake up on Sunday morning, see trouble sleep, but then him and "yanga" will just decide they want to wake up trouble, pull it by the leg. Wetin hin dey find? Na palaver, hin dey find, na palaver, hin go get-e o

OkCornel:
One example of same sex relationship approved by God in the old or new testament shouldn't be too difficult to find.

Face palm, there he goes again, and with the "Dripping Tap" technique, a trick, the repetition ploy used, with the aim to eventually wear down the other, through relentless and continuing mindless repeating like a parrot, something that has already been said and/or previously been written.

Muttleylaff pardon me for backtracking the progress you've made on the thread.It's not possible for me to read through this thread and find what I'm looking for without mental stress.The main reason for my question has been address(the question itself has not) and I'll take whatever y'all have said into consideration in order to get other answers.The etymological aspect you've brought to my attention is interesting I must say and I'll appreciate it if you can tag me to replies addressing that aspect.
I'll be watching this thread from afar cos I don't have the mental energy to mount the dragons(really really long arguments and counter arguments) like y'all have nor am I convinced about the infallibility of the bible so I don't take it's words seriously(my personal opinion).If you are victorious on your quest to deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union you should open a thread that comprehensively clarifies the whole thing cos reading this thread from scratch to gain enlightenment is not advisable.

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff pardon me for backtracking the progress you've made on the thread. It's not possible for me to read through this thread and find what I'm looking for without mental stress.

EmperorHarry, I am sorry and empathize with you, whatever the set of circumstances you are in or find yourself to be in. I have the singular honor and privilege to have that grace. Now I'll be as brief and clearly expressed as I possibly can, all because though all the extraodinary lies requires extraordinally and lengthy replies, I'll endeavour to make my post short, sweet and short, as people dont like reading long posts and some soon again, will accuse me of talking too much

You owe me no apologies, the thread is not a wham bam thank you ma'am 40 seconds man thread, it is a marathon, a labour of love thread.

EmperorHarry:
The main reason for my question has been address (the question itself has not) and I'll take whatever y'all have said into consideration in order to get other answers.

If I am right, your concern was, if SSA person, that is sexually abstinent, period. Will such make heaven? Of course, if such person will, if such believe in Jesus or His commandments. Actually this is no different to someone who isnt a SSA person, that too, is sexually abstinent because such as the grace to be so. Now the point you need to realse is that it is preposterous, to think or made to believe that God disapproves of SSA. I'll leave at just that for now with the reason and question now both addressed for you. As previously told you, door is wide ajar open, walk at your leisure if you need clarifications

EmperorHarry:
The etymological aspect you've brought to my attention is interesting I must say and I'll appreciate it if you can tag me to replies addressing that aspect.

You probably have figured out that what I've brought to your attention that you find so interesting are the elephants in the church not disccussed and not talked about. Christians/believers run away from it, hide by bending down and burying their heads in the sand over them

EmperorHarry, people should stop acting like there is no elephant in the room, when there's a big fat lie elephant in the room, introduce it and when introduced to it, dont just look past the big fat lie elephant in the room and be pretending it isnt there

I recall the other day, telling TV01, to better look the fairy out because I am going to make him discover that the lies he was raised up with, that he learned to believe, as truths, are not truths at all. I promised him, its going to hurt, the truth I meant, because I recall reading Terence James Stannus Gray, saying, "In order to be effective, truth must penetrate like an arrow. And that is likely to hurt"

I also said, TV01 is someone prepped up to be barbecued, but then on his own accord, went on to rub himself down with kerosene and get himself soaked up in gasoline. All I have to do EmperorHarry, is light a match and its boom, boom, match in the gas. Boom Shakalaka!.

EmperorHarry:
I'll be watching this thread from afar cos I don't have the mental energy to mount the dragons (really really long arguments and counter arguments) like y'all have nor am I convinced about the infallibility of the bible so I don't take it's words seriously(my personal opinion)

The Bible is infallible, it is the translations, that best of times, are iffy. Everything in the Bible is completely trustworthy, it is the translation that arent necessarily inspired

I tell you what, I'll tell you what I love and dont love. I admire this kind of spirit that scrutinizes and most especially when done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Mediocrity for me partly, is ignoring the big fat lie elephant in the room, pretending its not there and then be discussing the ants or playing the hot potato game, tossing it about, even before the music begins.

EmperorHarry:
If you are victorious on your quest to deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union you should open a thread that comprehensively clarifies the whole thing cos reading this thread from scratch to gain enlightenment is not advisable.

EmperorHarry, victorious warriors, like myself, win first and then go to war, not the other way round and this thread is fit for purpose without needing another thread opened

EmperorHarry, you need to appreciate that a sincere seeker knows that pearls don't lie on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.

EmperorHarry, the real truth(s) in the Bible, are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles, so the onus rests on you to sift through quite a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them, investigate, examine them all and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them. When I say light, I actually mean has a glow that illuminates and not a glare that obscures

Lastly EmperorHarry, when the piercing needle of truth, is hidden in a haystack of lies, it takes a long post to unravel through the haystack of lies to bring the piercing needle of truth out into the open. So my brother, that is why and how extraordinary lies, requires extraordinary lengthy posts, as short posts harbour and/or hide a multitude of lies and evil(s).

Go inside the thread EmperorHarry, because as you weed through the muck and noise, you will find somewhere in it, the real beauty of it all, the truth about yourself, you seek.

This op is full of comical expertise!
A fellow is pleading for a summary of his lenghty hypothesis and yet the op is still insisting that he combs through an entire 25 page thread to seek answers....abi hypothesis no get summary?

More like trying to find an 'imaginary pin in a humongous dirtbin'!

Emperorharry I wish you well in that 'gulders ultimate search'!

MuttleyLaff:
The unfortunate part is, you arent good at real comedy, so please reconsider and dont jack in the day job, OK?

Capital Yes, as in, in the affirmative, I am categorically and unequivocably telling yall that Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality per se

A capital Yes, you categorically and unequivocally affirmed that The Lord Jesus, Apstle Paul Jude had nothing against homosexuality, then you ended with per se.
What do you mean by Per se here?

MuttleyLaff:
You're just as bad as Shepherd00, repeating a question, you've earlier asked that has already been previously answered or responded to. Why do you guys do that hmm? Who does this?

I never read where you gave an answer to that question. All you wrote here could just be been that answer. Yes or no.

MuttleyLaff:
You wouldnt have the need to put anything up, if you've had the strength and courage to admit the lies.
Why not first deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Why not start with the true and original meanings of terms like "porneia", "arsenokoites", "qadesh/qedeshah" "sodomite" that have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals, but translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons, hmm?

Who in the Bible engaged in a monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, to show us a precedence?


MuttleyLaff, i've lairs, but you top the chart.
You stand in public without any Oita of shame and declare that what Apst Paul talked abt in Rom. 1 is not abt two men having sex?

Why haven't you posted that scripture where Jesus Highly praised homosexual activities yet?

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe then, we can contextually examine together those scripture, being as I know that you STILL haven't properly and correctly read them, this is why you have to rely on various commentaries. You have not done your own private and personal study, you havent embraced and appreciated 2 Timothy 2:15. Tbh, you should make it your goal to live quietly, mind your own business, and study the Bible correctly and properly, just as I've told you before.

Contextually, those scriptures are talking about men sexing men and nothing else. Try as you may to pass off, you'd fail.

MuttleyLaff:
Somebody will just like to do pass themselves, will wake up on Sunday morning, see trouble sleep, but then him and "yanga" will just decide they want to wake up trouble, pull it by the leg. Wetin hin dey find? Na palaver, hin dey find, na palaver, hin go get-e o

Juvenile delinquent.

MuttleyLaff:
Face palm, there he goes again, and with the "Dripping Tap" technique, a trick, the repetition ploy used, with the aim to eventually wear down the other, through relentless and continuing mindless repeating like a parrot, something that has already been said and/or previously been written.

Where did you say it?

MuttleyLaff:
EmperorHarry, I beg to differ, it is not as you mistakenly put it, from my viewpoint, but is, looking at it, from the Bible's viewpoint, because the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next

1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods.

2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too

3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah

4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites".

The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites).

In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed

It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act.

5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with.

EmperorHarry, of course, all SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or "malakoi/malakos", are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, the likes of Shepherd00 in particular, then TV01, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, Ubenedictus, Baddiezz, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Goshen360, elated177, jesusjnr, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, bloodofthelamb, OLAADEGBU, Bejusttoall, kkins25, alBHAGDADI etcetera as they either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words.

I am sure you are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union"

The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. EmperorHarry, you see, I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort.

As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back."

EmperorHarry, let me put you at ease. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. EmperorHarry, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known.

With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

EmperorHarry, lies are necessary, when the truth is too difficult to believe. Be careful about what you're aware and believe about Genesis (i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans.

We learn something new if we are interested enough to dig deep

EmperorHarry, TV01 will have you know that the "homosexual" and "heterosexual" label adopted by the church and used in Bible, to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons are semantics. Well I can live that because it just shows the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon, just not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around, sexual abuse etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom is supposedly loved, faithful to, committed to, honest to, lasting that's life-long loyal to, and all these supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's either same sex or otherwise

EmperorHarry, you dont know any of these guys on this thread like I do. I know every single one of them. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, I know how and what they breathe, I know when and how they sleep, I know what they eat, know when, how and what they like eating, I know when they fart and shiit, I even know the color of their shiits sef. None of them, can share with you what they dont know, as the less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it

I kept telling and reminding them that, I had not only, mounted this homosexuality issue dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, it's after killing it, that I then went to dissect it, curious to find out what the dragon beast has been feeding on, and that EmperorHarry, is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this homosexuality issue dragon beast subject matter and how these guys tick too.

EmperorHarry, there are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures and this is because we have different paths of learning and growth

EmperorHarry, my door is always open to you, so dont hesistate to ask me questions on anything you need clarifications on. I might not for any moment, tell it all, but you can be reassured that, of all I tell, would be truth. I am fulfilled being a frank honest and truthful seen as an arsehole than being a well liked nasty liar

If you have only a day to live, fill it with study and sex. EmperorHarry, trust me on that, even TV01 can testify, at least to the latter part of that my another penny in the truth jar advice.

EmperorHarry. I hope MuttleyLaff convinces you that homosexuality is inclusive in God's original (even when he can not corroborate it with scriptures) and you enjoy it when a fellow man tries to play with your balls.

Just imagine his frenzy trying to pass off a lie wirhout a single scripture behind him.

MuttleyLaff, where in Isaiah did YHWH promised the homosexuals anything? Where did The Lord Jesus Christ praise homosexual activity?

All these your long posts are unnecessary, post only these two scriptures and I will clap for you now.

Shepherd00:
EmperorHarry. I hope MuttleyLaff convinces you that homosexuality is inclusive in God's original (even when he can not corroborate it with scriptures) and you enjoy it when a fellow man tries to play with your balls.

Just imagine his frenzy trying to pass off a lie wirhout a single scripture behind him.

MuttleyLaff, where in Isaiah did YHWH promised the homosexuals anything? Where did The Lord Jesus Christ praise homosexual activity?

All these your long posts are unnecessary, post only these two scriptures and I will clap for you now.

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.

You didn't tell me any specific verse you were looking for. I told you of verses which sentences homosexuality to death.
So, which scriptures were you expecting?

openmine:

Ah, you didn't read when he said that? Oh.

Shepherd00:
Ah, you didn't read when he said that? Oh.

I actually didn't read that particular post by the OP where such was said....have already seen it!

Shepherd00:
A capital Yes, you categorically and unequivocally affirmed that The Lord Jesus, Apstle Paul Jude had nothing against homosexuality, then you ended with per se.
What do you mean by Per se here?

I am shaking the table, yall are comfortably, with a full false sense of safety are standing on, with "per se" snuggly slotted in there.
What do I mean by "per se" in there? #IfYouKnowYouKnow
Well, if you know, you know and who no know, no go know. Sorry.

Shepherd00:
I never read where you gave an answer to that question. All you wrote here could just be been that answer. Yes or no.

I am not surprised you havent, probably has to do with you missing it because you had to go to home cell. No, it isnt all I wrote here, it wasnt that at all

Shepherd00:
Who in the Bible engaged in a monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, to show us a precedence?

At least a pair each side of the Bible halves. Unfortunately you wont be told, at least not by me

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, I've lairs, but you top the chart.
You stand in public without any Oita of shame and declare that what Apst Paul talked abt in Rom. 1 is not abt two men having sex?

Do you see, what I have to deal with you about, hmm? It is you twisting what I've typed and be misrepresenting me with your version of what I've written. That's bad, that's lies, thats's making up falsehoods

Shepherd00:
Why haven't you posted that scripture where Jesus Highly praised homosexual activities yet?

We've been here before. I've already numerous times told you why I am not posting it. Please stop this your "Dripping Tap" technique.

Shepherd00:
Contextually, those scriptures are talking about men sexing men and nothing else. Try as you may to pass off, you'd fail.

Those scripture were talking of males sexing male, in circumstances, conditions or surroundings involving minors, that is children, and especially fascination with prepubescent kids. It also is about pederasty, which is a step above fascination with prepubescent kids, as pederasty, is sexual activity involving a man and a boy. Fyi, it is a man's love of boys from ages 12 to about 17 or 18. In Rome, that is in Apostle Paul's time, it was perfectly normal for an older man to desire and pursue boys.

In the same scriptures, male sexing male, is labeled as an abomination, because of it's link with idolatry sexual worship rituals expecting divine blessing etcetera from such activities. Further on, same scriptures, touches on, men sexing men, by prostituting themselves, either for financial or religious occultic reasons. Other scriptures, touched on men sexing men, by hopping from one bed to another, being promiscuous, commiting infidelity, being disloyal untrusting and cheating

I have already in detail, talked about this earlier, so I wont go into men sexing men, in regards to being "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or a "sodomite"

It is simple Shepherd00, I won't lie to you, whether big or small, as lies are lies, besides I am absolutely sure that, if I did lie, you will later, if not sooner, find out the truth, that I might have lied. I have no agenda except to tell the truth and say it as it is

Shepherd00:
Juvenile delinquent.

Common sense is like deodorant, people who need it most never use it. By most acounts, you are a nasty piece of work and far too full of yourself. Who are you calling a juvenile delinquent, hmmm? Who is your mate, who is your mate on this thread. TV01, is a better person than you are, he will never stoop this low and be getting out of line like this talking and behaving improperly. I know, I've warned you severally but you still dont care, abi.

Shepherd00:
Where did you say it?

You dont pay my bills, I dont owe you anything, I dont have to tell you where I have. Next time pay attention and better attention in fact.
cc EmperorHarry

Shepherd00:
EmperorHarry. I hope MuttleyLaff convinces you that homosexuality is inclusive in God's original (even when he can not corroborate it with scriptures) and you enjoy it when a fellow man tries to play with your balls.

Dont mind this man ojaare, what's his business with, if this is the case, in what you and yours until death do apart, do in the privacy and comfort of your home, hmm?
Balls afterall, are there to be played with, arent they?

Shepherd00:
Just imagine his frenzy trying to pass off a lie wirhout a single scripture behind him.

I dont want to offend you, so I'll refrain from commenting on this

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, where in Isaiah did YHWH promised the homosexuals anything? Where did The Lord Jesus Christ praise homosexual activity?

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
Well, if you know, you know and who no know, no go know. Sorry.

Shepherd00:
All these your long posts are unnecessary, post only these two scriptures and I will clap for you now.

This is déjà vu. It like one of those, "if you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, jump off!" or "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." moments. I am so-so sorry Shepherd00 but I've got trust issues not yet to tell and trust you with both info.

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.

Shepherd00:
You didn't tell me any specific verse you were looking for. I told you of verses which sentences homosexuality to death.
So, which scriptures were you expecting?

Shepherd00, please kindly tell EmperorHarry from the abundance of your vast knowledge and understanding the following:
1/ What again are men sexing men activities that carry a punishment of death by stoning?
2/ Why particularly did these men sexing men activities deemed an abomination and why so it carried a punishment of death?
cc EmperorHarry

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind this man ojaare, what's his business with, if this is case, what you and your until death do apart, do in the privacy and comfort of your home, hmm?
Balls afterall, are there to be played with, arent they?

What did you just say?
Jesus wept!

openmine:

What did you just say?

Dont your missus play with your balls ni, you too good to be true, goody-goody Pharisaical person? I bet you are a one-trick pony man. It has to be missionary style, its only that or nothing. SMH. You're either a fundamentalist, just being over spiritual or both.
cc EmperorHarry

MuttleyLaff:
Dont your missus play with your balls ni, you too good to be true, goody-goody Pharisaical person?

How does that translate into two grown men doing that same thing with each others' balls and how do you even know that such happens?
Unless there is something you are not telling me about your 'intense advocacy' for such acts....

openmine:
How does that translate into two men doing that same thing with their balls and how do you even know that such happens?
Unless there is something you are not telling me about your 'intense advocacy' for such acts....

I know it's not so obvious to you my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan but the balls are part of the erogenous zones of the male body

Ah, I love it when my missus grabs me by the balls and tenderly caresses me there, it is a lovely feeling when she touches and stroke me gently there with her loving touch. Sometimes, when in the sack, she grabs my butt firmly and squeezes that too whenevr I bring her to "heaven", cloud nine at the point of orgasmic state ecstasy

I think you're a prude, my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, nothing to tell you apart from that.

MuttleyLaff:
I know it's not so obvious to you my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan but the balls are part of the erogenous zones of the male body

Ah, I love it when my missus grabs me by the balls and tenderly caresses me there, it is a lovely feeling when she touches and stroke me gently there with her loving touch. Sometimes, when in the sack, she grabs my butt firmly and squeezes that too whenevr I bring her to "heaven", cloud nine at the point of orgasmic state ecstasy

Mr prevaricator am not talking about a man/woman intercourse!

MuttleyLaff:
I bet you are a one-trick pony man. It has to be missionary style, its only that or nothing. SMH. You're either a fundamentalist, just being over spiritual or both.

We are not discussing our sexual intercourse here Mr dodger!
What i do with my beloved or the style used is not a subject for discus here!

MuttleyLaff:
I think you're a prude, my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan, nothing to tell you apart from that.

This is the same guy who accused some one of repetition now regurgitating comments hoping that he will sound intelligible!

MuttleyLaff:
I know it's not so obvious to you my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan but the balls are part of the erogenous zones of the male body

Ah, I love it when my missus grabs me by the balls and tenderly caresses me there, it is a lovely feeling when she touches and stroke me gently there with her loving touch. Sometimes, when in the sack, she grabs my butt firmly and squeezes that too whenevr I bring her to "heaven", cloud nine at the point of orgasmic state ecstasy

I think you're a prude, my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan, nothing to tell you apart from that.

Dear MuttleyLaff. Let's be content with missus handling these issues. This gay thing is just not it no matter how you carry it.

openmine:
Mr prevaricator am not talking about a man/woman intercourse!

[img]https://s3/images/GayPunish.jpg[/img]

openmine, would that by a twist of fate, be you in the above jpeg with the placard and wagging your finger at those two men minding their own business, erhn? They are adult grown men, you know openmine. They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

openmine:
We are not discussing our sexual intercourse here Mr dodger!
What i do with my beloved or the style used is not a subject for discus here!

I am quite aware we werent, but just was putting it into perspective that what is game and good for the goose, is equally game and good for the SSA relationship gander

openmine:

This is the same guy who accused some one of repetition now regurgitating comments hoping that he will sound intelligible!

What repetition are you accusing me of? What have I erroneously and incorrectly learned that I've repeatedly regurgitated here, hmm? Have I repeatingly been asking same questions at every available opportunity huh? Or is it, have I being grinding away using the "dripping tap" technique whilst repeating the questions instead of sticking to whatever is currently being discussed, huh? That's called subterfuge, "dripping tap" technique, is a trick or a dishonest way of trying to achieve something. OkCornel and Shepherd00 enjoy and like playing that trick, so if you are accusing me of something like that, you better be sure about it.

OK aside that, are you afterall not my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan ni? Do you want deny that you dont hold the coveted position and honour of being the dear overzealous and dedicated heckler #1 fan of mine, especially when talking of on this thread ni? openmine I am just following Bible. I am giving to you what I owe you. I am paying you respect and honor, acknowledging that you are my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, that all. Check out Romans 13:7 nau, it's all in there. I've always from the beginning said, everything I type on this thread can be fact-checked, so this one is no exception and you can take it to the bank

Are you "sifially" pained, that I sound intelligible ni? Why then, what's generating this bitterness from you, hmm? It is unhealthy, if you dont know. If EmperorHarry is expecting something from me, he deems will be meaningful and useful info to him, as it crossed your mind openmine, that maybe, it means I've somehow given EmperorHarry reasons to believe in some facts, if not all, that's so far has been typed on this thread?. Is that whats terrified you? Or what exactly is the problem or cause for your dogged determination to heckle and disturb the peace of the thread sef openmine?

Image123:
Dear MuttleyLaff. Let's be content with missus handling these issues. This gay thing is just not it no matter how you carry it.

"And we ourselves know and believe the love which God has for us.
God is love, and those who live in love,
live in union with God and God lives in union with them."
- 1 John 4:16

My dear and beloved nwanne brother Image123, like I told above, my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, these are two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, doing no nobody or anyone any harm. Nothing evil, nothing bad, and nothing wrong going on with them. What they are accused of or painted guilty of, is loving for real, each other and God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.
cc EmperorHarry

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, would that by a twist of fate, be you in the above jpeg with the placard and wagging your finger at those two men minding their own business, erhn? They are adult grown men, you know openmine. They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

I am quite aware we werent, but just was putting it into perspective that what is game and good for the goose, is equally game and good for the SSA relationship gander

What repetition are you accusing me of? What have I erroneously and incorrectly learned that I've repeatedly regurgitated here, hmm? Have I repeatingly been asking same questions at every available opportunity huh? Or is it, have I being grinding away using the "dripping tap" technique whilst repeating the questions instead of sticking to whatever is currently being discussed, huh? That's called subterfuge, "dripping tap" technique, is a trick or a dishonest way of trying to achieve something. OkCornel and Shepherd00 enjoy and like playing that trick, so if you are accusing me of something like that, you better be sure about it.

OK aside that, are you afterall not my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan ni? Do you want deny that you dont hold the coveted position and honour of being the dear overzealous and dedicated heckler #1 fan on this thread ni? openmine I am just following Bible. I am giving to you what I owe you. I am paying you respect and honor, acknowledging that you are my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, that all. Check out Romans 13:7 nau, it's all in there. I've always from the beginning said, everything I type on this thread can be fact-checked, so this one is no exception and you can take it to the bank

Are you "sifially" pained, that I sound intelligible ni? Why then, what's generating this bitterness from you, hmm? It is unhealthy, if you dont know. If EmperorHarry is expecting something from me, he deems will be meaningful and useful info to him, as it crossed your mind openmine, that maybe, it means I've somehow given EmperorHarry reasons to believe in some facts, if not all, that's so far has been typed on this thread?. Is that whats terrified you? Or what exactly is the problem or cause for your dogged determination to heckle and disturb the peace of the thread sef openmine?

Whenever i peruse your irksome posts,i discover why you were obviously hesitant and unable to summarize your long-winded and interminable postulations to emperorharry!
There are some laborious comments from yours that could have been confined to just a few sentences but i guess it was your 'brilliant'(or lack of it) idea to churn many words to sound subtle to unsuspecting folks!
No wonder its still taking your 25+ pages to establish your claims that God sees nothing wrong(Untoward ) with homosexual acts .....what a pathetic situation you have dug your self into

To say that i am perturbed by what is emanating from the fetid-induced fingers of a person who farcically professes to hear from God is not only flagitious but an aberration!

For the very fact that you could conceive the unsavoury thought of two grown men making out with each others private parts as a form of copulation and audaciously equating such disgusting and heinous acts to that of a normal,natural,acceptable and God ordained sexual intercourse,contained in the scriptures,between a MAN and a WOMAN only manifests a fallacious individual who is adamant in conveying the devil's plan to confuse and manipulate those who are unrelenting to discontinue and relinquish these opprobrious and despicable deeds!

I have tried to make some rationality from your latest nauseous comments including your half-witted and inglorious pic(which makes me believe you may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities) but all i keep perceiving is a 'world conformed' individual whose pattern of operation seeks to put tale of lies where there is none in the scriptures!


Atleast i can say i been consistent and transparent with my inquiry and i haven't drifted or become so evasive like yours truly!
So saying you are giving it back to me is like offering me a compliment for staying true to my stance!!
However,can the same be said about you who has been trying inefficaciously to take me off from the main issue at hand and deviate into trivial matters?


Now to your mind-numbing expressions,
"They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships"......

As a titular and self-titled 'postulator' who proclaims the word of God is the truth,what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that "is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God?

As a follow up,You can as well display scriptures that validates such acceptance from God almighty whose words you quite strongly believe in!

Is there any SS union in the scripture that has received blessings from God?

Once again....no tales by moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups!

openmine:
Whenever i peruse your irksome posts, i discover why you were obviously hesitant and unable to summarize your long-winded and interminable postulations to emperorharry!
There are some laborious comments from yours that could have been confined to just a few sentences but i guess it was your 'brilliant'(or lack of it) idea to churn many words to sound subtle to unsuspecting folks!
No wonder its still taking your 25+ pages to establish your claims that God sees nothing wrong(Untoward ) with homosexual acts .....what a pathetic situation you have dug your self into

To say that i am perturbed by what is emanating from the fetid-induced fingers of a person who farcically professes to hear from God is not only flagitious but an aberration!

I wasnt hesitant and unable to summarize any long-winded postulation(s), I actually threw quite a lot of detail, except for the kitchen sink, in there, in that post to EmperorHarry. I hope, unlike you he appreciates it.

You found my comment "God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts" hilarious, you had to grin at it. You even claimed that what a pathetic situation I've dug myself into, and cheesy cheesy smiled after that, well fyi, truth is stranger than fiction, is all I'll say.

Tbh, I've so far learned that the truth doesn't always set you free, people prefer to believe prettier, neatly wrapped up lies. Also that the truth, being tasted, is too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some fundamentalist and over spiritualised Christians

openmine, truth is strong enough to overcome all human sophistries, it draws strength from itself and not from the number of like votes, obtained in its favour from writing up a self servicing post like the one immediately above you wrote.

openmine:
For the very fact that you could conceive the unsavoury thought of two grown men making out with each others private parts as a form of copulation and audaciously equating such disgusting and heinous acts to that of a normal,natural,acceptable and God ordained sexual intercourse, contained in the scriptures, between a MAN and a WOMAN only manifests a fallacious individual who is adamant in conveying the devil's plan to confuse and manipulate those who are unrelenting to discontinue and relinquish these opprobrious and despicable deeds!

You are a killjoy, though I've said earlier that you're prude, fyi, holding balls, is a human being sexual behavior, it's a sexual stimulation act done, at the beginning of a sexual encounter that serve to build up sexual arousal, sometimes in preparation for sexual intercourse or any act meant to bring about sexual pleasure and ultimately orgasm. Put it this way, it's part of what's called foreplaying.

Now share for the education of all. I dare you to, what is despicable in two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships make out or loving each other especially done in the privacy and comfort of their home, hmm?
What particularly is it they do, that you lay your fingers on, that's deserving this your so much hatred and contempt, hmm? Triple please, tell. No holds barred, take no prisoners, tell it like it is, and like I do openmine. Please, I'll crawl over broken bottles to know specifically what is the evil in SSA acts, want to know what devil's plan is, what all this confusion nonsense of the devil is about and means. HBO, that for you means, help a brother out. I fully give you the rights, not to mince words.

openmine:
I have tried to make some rationality from your latest nauseous comments including your half-witted and inglorious pic (which makes me believe you may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities) but all i keep perceiving is a 'world conformed' individual whose pattern of operation seeks to put tale of lies where there is none in the scriptures!

Let's be honest here with each other and stop deceiving ourselves, you are unequivocally disinterested in the considerations of the facts and have in all this matter, no iota of love for truth. Now what I perceive of you and quite a lot of the others, is none of youse have any understanding of the importance of telling the truth. Lies have become necessary for each and every one of youse because you've found the truth too difficult to believe

openmine:

At least i can say i been consistent and transparent with my inquiry and i haven't drifted or become so evasive like yours truly!
So saying you are giving it back to me is like offering me a compliment for staying true to my stance!!
However, can the same be said about you who has been trying inefficaciously to take me off from the main issue at hand and deviate into trivial matters?

The main issue at hand, easily can be worked out or be deduced from mere reading what the subject heading title is of the thread, but you my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, have only being consistent in not wanting to allow the thread to expose all the extraordinary lies, so people can distinctly see them for what they are. You havent drifted from your dogged determination and persistent attempt to prevent people discovering the truth about each and everyone of these serious deliberate mistakes, calculated lies and crime. You have never commented on the thread's main issues, the case in points and other big fat lie elephant(s) in the church room intermittently so far shared and discussed on the thread. The intermittency being thanks to your regular distraction and derailing the thread with your carefully and well planned disparaging remarks. Whilst everybody were invited, including you openmine, in to the boat and to row, you arent rowing, you arent doing nothing like that, but you've being busy drilling holes in the boat, so to capsize and/or sink it, thinking that no one's noticing, no one is looking at you performing your monkey tricks or seeing you.

openmine:
Now to your mind-numbing expressions,
"They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships"......

As a titular and self-titled 'postulator' who proclaims the word of God is the truth, what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that "is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God?

I do not inconsiderately take ownership of what is not legally and rightfully mine. Every believer, and more so, one on his/her mettle, is a moG or woG. There is the backing of the scripture for this, so there is no covetousness, in being known as a moG.

I already have introduced on this thread, the existence, facts and truth of "what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is and also did similar to the one that is "ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God". These have all and each, been presented, as a basis for a candid, heart to heart, truthful and straightforward reasoning and not afraid to call a spade a spade discussion, but what came out of it. Nothing, because you and other christians, bend down with arse raised up, hanging out to the sky and bury heads in the sand, not wanting to talk about it and them.

openmine:
As a follow up, you can as well display scriptures that validates such acceptance from God almighty whose words you quite strongly believe in!

Is there any SS union in the scripture that has received blessings from God?

God is love,
and those who live in love, live in union with God
and God lives in union with them."
- 1 John 4:16

Love is a blessing, and is from God. Right openmine? Well, two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, are doing no one, nobody, not anyone, any harm.

You need to chill, calm down and relax, especially when or if you dont know of and cannot point out, any evil, anything bad, and anything wrong that is going on with them and in their romantic act, of showing and expressing love to each other, being partners in a life long relationship.

What are they being accused of or painted guilty of sef, openmine? The love, loving, is for real and mutual, it's a love for each other. God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love, abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.

openmine:
Once again....no tales by moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups!

The more that you read moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups, the more things you will know and learn about openmine. Sorry, but we all know that, lies gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on, so said Winston Churchill. It's just a matter of, extraordinary lies, require extraordinary garrulous write-ups to counter the extraordinary lies
cc EmperorHarry

Muttleylaff,openmine,Shepherd00 and TV01.I am a liberal individual that understands what ignorance and prejudice can do to unenlightened people and the innocent victims.Sleep paralysis to the unenlightened is caused by demonic powers trying to kill one.Perhaps someone(B) is beside said unenlightened person(A) during such episodes,said unenlightened and "spiritually woke" individual(A) starts questioning the presence of the person at that moment.Let's say A has painted B in negative light prior to the incident,paranoia would make A feel this corroborates his/her suspicions and then said suspicions graduate to perceived fact and heaven forbid A is a honorary gossip, the matter spirals out of control without B the slightest bit aware of what's going on.Imagine a 6 year old being accused of possessing "demons"(for reason out of one's control) beaten,treated with cruelty and unfairly,secluded from an immediate society due to hearsay.Cats are not exempted from this darkness that engulfs the unenlighted.You can only imagine the fate of individuals adults and nonadults with SSA sexual orientation in pitch black countries like Nigeria.I only seek to know just what the bible states clearly about homosexuality so as redirect the ignorant to the only objective source of "infallible" knowledge they deem acceptable. Now if muttleylaff says he has seen the light from the sacred fire and he's lit his Olympic torch in a quest to run the marathon of enlightenment into the darkness that engulfs the ignorant and prejudiced territory of homosexuality in christianity then he should be allowed to given he has packed all he needs to complete this tedious task.
If in the end his torch is put out by the winds of irrefutable evidence,then I'd want to know just how open-minded the bible(when viewed in the context of the average christian) is towards homosexuality which TV01 and openmine have given answers to from their perspective (which represents pretty much the greater population currently) on the subject.If homosexuality is kicked against within christendom for now at least the individuals should not be seen as sinful creatures due to their sexual orientation(which mostly is out of their control by nature) and don't need to be tortured or delivered from the "spirit of homosexuality".

Please note I am straight.It's not everyone that supports homosexuality that is gay or bi.Also,due to the religious nature of the thread I refer to the bible as an objective truth and evidence for or against the subject.
I'd like state that the apparent lack of feminine opinions or lesbian references on this thread makes it kinda gay....

...Just kidding

MuttleyLaff:
I wasnt hesitant and unable to summarize any long-winded postulation(s), I actually threw quite a lot of detail, except for the kitchen sink, in there, in that post to EmperorHarry. I hope, unlike you he appreciates it.

You found my comment "God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts" hilarious, you had to grin at it. You even claimed that what a pathetic situation I've dug myself into, and cheesy cheesy smiled after that, well fyi, truth is stranger than fiction, is all I'll say.

Tbh, I've so far learned that the truth doesn't always set you free, people prefer to believe prettier, neatly wrapped up lies. Also that the truth, being tasted, is too much of a bitter pill to swallow for some fundamentalist and over spiritualised Christians

openmine, truth is strong enough to overcome all human sophistries, it draws strength from itself and not from the number of like votes, obtained in its favour from writing up a self servicing post like the one immediately above you wrote.

You are a killjoy, though I've said earlier that you're prude, fyi, holding balls, is a human being sexual behavior, it's a sexual stimulation act done, at the beginning of a sexual encounter that serve to build up sexual arousal, sometimes in preparation for sexual intercourse or any act meant to bring about sexual pleasure and ultimately orgasm. Put it this way, it's part of what's called foreplaying.

Now share for the education of all. I dare you to, what is despicable in two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships make out or loving each other especially done in the privacy and comfort of their home, hmm?
What particularly is it they do, that you lay your fingers on, that's deserving this your so much hatred and contempt, hmm? Triple please, tell. No holds barred, take no prisoners, tell it like it is, and like I do openmine. Please, I'll crawl over broken bottles to know specifically what is the evil in SSA acts, want to know what devil's plan is, what all this confusion nonsense of the devil is about and means. HBO, that for you means, help a brother out. I fully give you the rights, not to mince words.

Let's be honest here with each other and stop deceiving ourselves, you are unequivocally disinterested in the considerations of the facts and have in all this matter, no iota of love for truth. Now what I perceive of you and quite a lot of the others, is none of youse have any understanding of the importance of telling the truth. Lies have become necessary for each and every one of youse because you've found the truth too difficult to believe

The main issue at hand, easily can be worked out or be deduced from mere reading what the subject heading title is of the thread, but you my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, have only being consistent in not wanting to allow the thread to expose all the extraordinary lies, so people can distinctly see them for what they are. You havent drifted from your dogged determination and persistent attempt to prevent people discovering the truth about each and everyone of these serious deliberate mistakes, calculated lies and crime. You have never commented on the thread's main issues, the case in points and other big fat lie elephant(s) in the church room intermittently so far shared and discussed on the thread. The intermittency being thanks to your regular distraction and derailing the thread with your carefully and well planned disparaging remarks. Whilst everybody were invited, including you openmine, in to the boat and to row, you arent rowing, you arent doing nothing like that, but you've being busy drilling holes in the boat, so to capsize and/or sink it, thinking that no one's noticing, no one is looking at you performing your monkey tricks or seeing you.

I do not inconsiderately take ownership of what is not legally and rightfully mine. Every believer, and more so, one on his/her mettle, is a moG or woG. There is the backing of the scripture for this, so there is no covetousness, in being known as a moG.

I already have introduced on this thread, the existence, facts and truth of "what UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE that is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" is and also did similar to the one that is "ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God". These have all and each, been presented, as a basis for a candid, heart to heart, truthful and straightforward reasoning and not afraid to call a spade a spade discussion, but what came out of it. Nothing, because you and other christians, bend down with arse raised up, hanging out to the sky and bury heads in the sand, not wanting to talk about it and them.

God is love,
and those who live in love, live in union with God
and God lives in union with them."
- 1 John 4:16

Love is a blessing, and is from God. Right openmine? Well, two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, are doing no one, nobody, not anyone, any harm.

You need to chill, calm down and relax, especially when or if you dont know of and cannot point out, any evil, anything bad, and anything wrong that is going on with them and in their romantic act, of showing and expressing love to each other, being partners in a life long relationship.

What are they being accused of or painted guilty of sef, openmine? The love, loving, is for real and mutual, it's a love for each other. God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love, abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.

The more that you read moonlight stories or garrulous write-ups, the more things you will know and learn about openmine. Sorry, but we all know that, lies gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on, so said Winston Churchill. It's just a matter of, extraordinary lies, require extraordinary garrulous write-ups to counter the extraordinary lies
cc EmperorHarry

As i quite assumed correctly,that there is a potentiality for a lion to go through a needle than for a barefaced fabulist like you to avoid being so predictable

Truth is founded on mode or base of inclination!
An atheist’s belief system is founded on its mode of inclination!
A believer in Christ bases its inclination on the word of God!
Any thing aside that is straying from the scriptures and acting as the antichrist!

Revelation 22:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

If indeed your truth must be validated and justified, why is it taking you ages to justify your laborious 'truth' about 'God seeing nothing untoward about homosexual acts'?
Your truth is found no where in the scriptures which makes your claims questionable and perfidious!

First of all,you as a believer who claims to worship God in spirit and in truth should be the last person to ask such an outrageous question about what is despicable in two men indecorously locked together and trying to do what exactly? Have sex?

sexual intercourse
sexual contact between individuals involving penetration, especially the insertion of a man's erect PENIS into a woman's VAGINA, typically culminating in orgasm and the ejaculation of semen.

So what transpires between a man and another man?
Will the man pass his joystick to an "imaginary vagina" of the other man?
Or how do you know that they can play with each others 'balls' if you haven’t 'viewed' such or conceived such thought?
Do you see how benighted,vacuous and non compos mentis such unfortunate thoughts are?
If an atheist can come up with such deeds as enjoyable, then I will be disgusted but not a believer in God’s word who knows the only approved and welcomed sexual intercourse is between a MAN and a WOMAN as ordained and welcome by God in the scripture!
Seriously,it saddens me when a "believer" holds strongly to the schemes of the devil....thereby making a complete mockery of the body of Christ!


Matthew 19:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them MALE and FEMALE,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a MAN will leave his FATHER and MOTHER and be united to his WIFE, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

This is the union God ordained from the beginning to the present and is contained in the scriptures!
This is my stance which is simple,unshaken and unapologetic!
If there was or is an ADDITIONAL union aside that of a man and woman, you may do well to show such in the scriptures which you hapless claim to believe in or forever keep quiet and stop slandering the word of God!

We have had such discus about this narrative but I wont mind saying it again for the sake of posterity!
You chose a title for your thread which to outsiders would sound like one picking out a narrative from an author of a book or half-baked postulations from an unrepentant pervert to substantiate your argument!
However, you picked your inclination basing it from the scriptures but used an entire 25 plus page trying fruitlessly to dispute scriptures from others that oppose your postulations while you have so far been unwilling and unable to even give a near semblance of scripture to validate your claims ab initio!
This proves yet again that your submissions are only a reflection of the creator's disposition……a prevaricating barefaced liar!



I could not help but go through a rib-crackling moment when I saw the scripture that you used as proof of your widely written repetitions of consensual homo deeds!
This scripture if read from the start to the end is God’s love for all those who believe in him which he called his "dear friends"!
There is no place in that sentence of scripture where God ordains and accepts homosexual acts as a norm!
And to think you were asking someone to rightly divide the word but here you are trying so shamelessly and outrageously insert words that are not even there!
What more, you can also fix ‘homosexual’ where the word ‘them’ is written in that scripture…..clap for your self!
Even a layman knows that scripture was referring to those who do what is right before God!
That’s why the scripture in 1 John starts with…

1 john 4:1
Dear friends.....

John 15:15 New International Version (NIV)
15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

Chai this prevaricating barefaced fabulist must be in contention to replace lai mohammed.....from one lie to another lie and now to another lie!
From eunuchs to no condemnation to 1 john 4:16
This is just reprehensible esp for one who is said to be a believer in Christ shamelessly and audaciously slandering scriptures just to coin out homosexuality from 1 john 4:16?

Ofcourse God loves the world which was mainly the reason why he sent and offered his son as an atonement for our sins so that we can go and not be either guilty or continue in sin!

6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John 3:5-10

You cannot do what is wrong the right way!
If God's plan for mankind is a union of a man and woman,who are you to deviate and insist that SS unions are permissible when you are having a torrid time getting such scriptures!


Chill and relax?
Oga prevaricator am just getting warmed up like 'al pacino in scent of a woman'!
Not now that you have started exposing yourself in a humongous manner!
I cant miss this opportunity....
When am thoroughly done with you, confessions of not planning a submission based on scriptures will surface finally!
You don’t need to ask me what I have against homos….that is what you should be asking the bible that did not give any semblance of any kind to God ordaining the union of SS!
I have actually read lengthy posts whose points are precise and definite.However,the same cannot be said about your double-minded submission that claims to have links to the bible but its creator cant find such!
Too bad!

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff,openmine,Shepherd00 and TV01.I am a liberal individual that understands what ignorance and prejudice can do to unenlightened people and the innocent victims.Sleep paralysis to the unenlightened is caused by demonic powers trying to kill one.Perhaps someone(B) is beside said unenlightened person(A) during such episodes,said unenlightened and "spiritually woke" individual(A) starts questioning the presence of the person at that moment.Let's say A has painted B in negative light prior to the incident,paranoia would make A feel this corroborates his/her suspicions and then said suspicions graduate to perceived fact and heaven forbid A is a honorary gossip, the matter spirals out of control without B the slightest bit aware of what's going on.Imagine a 6 year old being accused of possessing "demons"(for reason out of one's control) beaten,treated with cruelty and unfairly,secluded from an immediate society due to hearsay.Cats are not exempted from this darkness that engulfs the unenlighted.You can only imagine the fate of individuals adults and nonadults with SSA sexual orientation in pitch black countries like Nigeria.I only seek to know just what the bible states clearly about homosexuality so as redirect the ignorant to the only objective source of "infallible" knowledge they deem acceptable. Now if muttleylaff says he has seen the light from the sacred fire and he's lit his Olympic torch in a quest to run the marathon of enlightenment into the darkness that engulfs the ignorant and prejudiced territory of homosexuality in christianity then he should be allowed to given he has packed all he needs to complete this tedious task.
If in the end his torch is put out by the winds of irrefutable evidence,then I'd want to know just how open-minded the bible(when viewed in the context of the average christian) is towards homosexuality which TV01 and openmine have given answers to from their perspective (which represents pretty much the greater population currently) on the subject.If homosexuality is kicked against within christendom for now at least the individuals should not be seen as sinful creatures due to their sexual orientation(which mostly is out of their control by nature) and don't need to be tortured or delivered from the "spirit of homosexuality".

Please note I am straight.It's not everyone that supports homosexuality that is gay or bi.Also,due to the religious nature of the thread I refer to the bible as an objective truth and evidence for or against the subject.
I'd like state that the apparent lack of feminine opinions or lesbian references on this thread makes it kinda gay....

...Just kidding

If one is lighting and carrying a proverbial 'olympic torch' in a so called darkness(as you allege),he should ensure he has the right 'resources'(base or foundation) to be certain that the torch will not be dampened by a 'mere wind' along the way!

Like i have told you,there are more than 25 scriptures that reveal a man and a woman union as acceptable and welcome to God!
However,its taking the OP 'centuries',lies and twisting of scriptures to offer just one scripture to validate his claims!

The scriptures are explicit and unambiguous about a UNION/RELATIONSHIP/MARRIAGE between a MAN and a WOMAN that is strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death" which is "ACCEPTABLE AND PERMISSIBLE to God",hence whoever intends to convince me must do so with scriptures and not his own concocted narratives!

His latest goof which is the scripture of 1 john 4:16 as an attestation of God ordaining homosexual acts is an audacious encapsulation of a desperate prevaricator who is only interested in winning a religious argument and priding himself as according to him an 'awakener'!

.....Am no carrier of bad news but believe me,as long as he uses the SCRIPTURES as a foundation of his arguments,his hypothesis will keep attaining a new low in nose-diving and his 'olympic torch' will get blown away by a mild hurricane!

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff, openmine, Shepherd00 and TV01 I am a liberal individual that understands what ignorance and prejudice can do to unenlightened people and the innocent victims. Sleep paralysis to the unenlightened is caused by demonic powers trying to kill one. Perhaps someone(B) is beside said unenlightened person(A) during such episodes, said unenlightened and "spiritually woke" individual(A) starts questioning the presence of the person at that moment. Let's say A has painted B in negative light prior to the incident, paranoia would make A feel this corroborates his/her suspicions and then said suspicions graduate to perceived fact and heaven forbid A is a honorary gossip, the matter spirals out of control without B the slightest bit aware of what's going on. Imagine a 6 year old being accused of possessing "demons"(for reason out of one's control) beaten,treated with cruelty and unfairly, secluded from an immediate society due to hearsay. Cats are not exempted from this darkness that engulfs the unenlighted. You can only imagine the fate of individuals adults and nonadults with SSA sexual orientation in pitch black countries like Nigeria.

EmperorHarry, I am quite sure you know that some Christians spend their whole lives trying to force others to live according to their unstudied opinions and their false veneer of spirituality and over spiritualised actings.

This is why, you'll see the likes of especially TV01, then Shepherd00 and openmine closely following suit behind TV01 and most other christians/believers be claiming that two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships relationships or gay unions transgresses the male-female complementarity which God built into humans at creation. What of the same male-female complementarity which God built into animals and nature at creation, hmm?

EmperorHarry:
I only seek to know just what the bible states clearly about homosexuality so as redirect the ignorant to the only objective source of "infallible" knowledge they deem acceptable. Now if muttleylaff says he has seen the light from the sacred fire and he's lit his Olympic torch in a quest to run the marathon of enlightenment into the darkness that engulfs the ignorant and prejudiced territory of homosexuality in christianity then he should be allowed to, given he has packed all he needs to complete this tedious task.

I have stuff, that if I should drop it on these guys, their legs will buckle and they fall flat on their arse from the sheer weight of it. I havent typed anything substantial yet and they already are each and everytime be screaming blue murder. The trio, TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine, just make me all the time, literally be laughing out loud, watching them go schtum or dropping facts I introduce, as if it's like I've asked them to hold on to a hot potato, even diving under the sofa, to hide from the big fat lie elephants in the room I introduce to them.

Not just enlightenment EmperorHarry, but understanding, insight, awareness and lots of nuggets of information, learning, knowledge and education will come forth from the "desconstructing the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union" thread

EmperorHarry:
If in the end his torch is put out by the winds of irrefutable evidence, then I'd want to know just how open-minded the bible (when viewed in the context of the average christian) is towards homosexuality which TV01 and openmine have given answers to from their perspective (which represents pretty much the greater population currently) on the subject.

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Talking of perspective, the fifth person, not shown anywhere in any of the three pictures above, either isnt standing on anything in the room or is not even in the room and so is not seeing anything at all, as in has no perspective.
C'est la vie, that's the life of perspective, isnt it, in jpegs forms?

EmperorHarry:
If homosexuality is kicked against within christendom for now at least the individuals should not be seen as sinful creatures due to their sexual orientation(which mostly is out of their control by nature) and don't need to be tortured or delivered from the "spirit of homosexuality".

EmperorHarry, dont mind these guys, homosexuality is ancient, it has been with us from time immemorial and it will be here with us, until the end of time, this side of eternity. One poster, in sifia pains, cried out in agony when I typed that in 5-15 years time, gays will be in government in Naija. No one has to be a prophet to know that. It's not sign of the times or end time things, but is just unavoidably inevitable. What was the reason given by Lot, for not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping them? Is there any good Bible student on this thread, worth his/her mettle dare answer that question, huh?

EmperorHarry:
Please note I am straight. It's not everyone that supports homosexuality that is gay or bi.

EmperorHarry, if I am given a pound for every time I've been told and assumed to be not straight on this thread, I soon be fantastiscally rich from being extremely financially wealthy and will contesting with the likes of Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Aliko Dangote, Mike Adenuga, Tony Elumelu, Femi Otedola, Cletus Ibeto, Folorunsho Alakija, Ned Nwoke, Abdulsamad Rabiu, Arthur Eze etcetera and give them a good run for their money.

It's hilarious, when quite a few posters, on this thread, more confused than a fart let ripped out, on the production line of a fan-making factory, say, I am gay, then change, saying I am not gay, and so they're sorry for calling me gay, but then revert back, insisting I am afterall gay. Another just yesterday, I think its openmine, said he is made to believe, I may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities, obviously that is to say, he's made to believe that I am gay. Face palm and SMH at him.

EmperorHarry:
Also, due to the religious nature of the thread I refer to the bible as an objective truth and evidence for or against the subject.

With or without, the religious nature, the evidence SSA is there in the Bible and in Nature. No species has been found in nature, of course this includes human beings, that homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist or be exhibited. EmperorHarry, openmine, Shepherd00 and TV01, you wouldnt be surprised to know that, humans are the only species, known to be homophobic and discriminates against homosexual behaviour. Animals dont shun other gay animals. Animals dont police other of their animals of gay sexual behavior. Animals dont punished nor ostracied each other for exhibiting gay behaviours.

EmperorHarry:
I'd like state that the apparent lack of feminine opinions or lesbian references on this thread makes it kinda gay....

...Just kidding

I disconcur that there is an apparent lack of lesbian references on this thread because in certain instances, I've introduced and used the terms homosexuals and lesbians together in my sentences separated by an oblique stroke (/), otherwise called slash. I also have had the opportunities to introduce lesbians such as Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up to know who her famous daddy is and Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum, who happens to be another very loyal and committed in attitude lesbian, just as Mpho is. Besides all that, when I use the phrase "two consenting adults" it isnt just about homosexuals but it encompasses lesbians too.

I could type on more, but time no dey, there isnt that much time, besides, I wanted this to be a short post
cc EmperorHarry