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|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 10:49pm On Jun 02|
I asked you this;
1. The Lord Jesus referenced the creational purpose of male and female, was such a purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions? Yes or no.
And you responded as follows;
MuttleyLaff:Could you provide some sort of scriptural reference or backing for this please. Especially in light of the clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10
I again asked this
2. If no, without clear biblical writ, and with clear biblical proscription, in a Christian sense, can such relationships be considered moral or sanctified (by the qualifiers you endlessly repeat or any other way)?
And you responded as follows;
MuttleyLaff:Could you outline how the scripture speaks to this please
I also asked this
3. If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?
In the first set of questions, you responded "yes””to the first 2 questions without any reference to scripture whatsoever. The 3rd question you answered by quoting Proverbs 25.2 , but without outlining how you had “searched out” Gods “concealed” plan for LGBTQ+, which presumably is what you were referring to? Yet failing to outline this revelation/enlightened exegesis, that everyone else has missed
In the 2nd set, you merely took the “forcibly read homosex into Gods intent” script, to new heights by saying asserting this;
MuttleyLaff:Basically saying that as God knew, therefore God intended. As God knows everything, does that mean that everything is good? Marrying this with your answer to 1 above, you are implying that not only did God know, He purposely created SSA people?
The incoherence of your logic and assertions is quite painful to work through, but outdone by the totally thoughtless way you blaspheme. MuttleyLaff, before revelation came to homosexualists in the 21st century, did God create, know and intend homosexuals to suffer for 2'000 years because of the "blind orthodoxy" of the church. Is trans doctrine also Gods intent as we both agree He “knew” abut it, way before it became a thing?
MutlteyLaff, these are not considered responses and only serve to drag the discussion backwards. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, but since you have woefully failed to articulate anything meaningful to the quite basic ones I have asked, I am seeing this less as a scriptural discussion and more of an outright campaign by you in consonance with your unabashed LGBTQ+ advocacy.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:21pm On Jun 02|
I came to this thread expecting a flurry of scriptures to buttress your idea or opinion that God sees nothing wrong with homosexuality and i was not impressed!
is this the thread you invited to or is there another?
I don't reply or react to personal opinions about a very important matter as this!
I need scriptures and corresponding scriptures!
You must also reminded that there are some undecided individuals who look up to you due to your maturity in the scriptures....Don't mislead them!
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:55am On Jun 03|
titigenius:See me see wahala, Listen to the pot calling snow black. It is you who has been evasive, until now that you've just mustered some semblance of courage, similarly gotten after having taken double dutch
titigenius:Very good of you that you are ready to "answer" me
titigenius:"Do not add to his words, or he may rebuke you and expose you as a liar."
- Proverbs 30:6
Thank you very much for reminding us what the title of this thread is all about. That it is about deconstructing the Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union. You'll soon see, as we desconstruct, break down and up, the subject matter in toto, to uncover what were all the clobber biblical text verses, not saying, never said and/or did not mean. Deconstruct this myth that homosexuality in per se, is sin, an abomination and/or an act God finds detestable.
titigenius:"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"
- Jude 1:7
I took the liberty to help you reproduce Jude 1:7 to be seen above, because I know you know what it means to give oneself up to lust, fornication or the meaning of the statement: "I am guilty of fornication". That was what is part of Sodom's sin Ma'am, aside from the main and original one of being inhospital, aside not being hospital to people, aside being unfriendly and unwelcoming towards people.
"49Behold, this was the iniquity (i.e. the sin) of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. "
- Ezekiel 16:49-50
From Ezekiel 16:49-50 above, you can see why Sodom and Gomorrah was earmarked for destruction, this in fact, before they even embarked on their gang rape adventure, lusting after strange flesh and having unnatural desires. Na pesin wey get liver, who go wan try go fairk angels nau, no bi so? Which kind of desire be dat. Who does that? Who goes after strange flesh, who lusts after flesh wey no bi human flesh, hmm? Na wa ooo for the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, upon their original meanness, their lack of generosity, their close-fistedness, their unpleasantness, they on top it, desire and lusted after strange flesh, that arent human beings' flesh. This broken their camel's back, making judgement quick, swift and in a hurry one.
Have you now see how God made mention of what type of sin Sodom and Gomorrah committed auntie, hmm?
titigenius:You have just openly disregarded Proverbs 30:6 above. You've shown a contempt for Proverbs 30:6 by your flagrant violation of it. If I am to be given a pound for everytime, you guys, field up misrepresented biblical text verses, like you've done with "Romans 1:26-27" above there, I'll be a billionaire by now. SMH.
I wont address your "Romans 1:26-27" now, so I am advising you to watch out for TV01 responses to my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions at him. Hang about to watch, as his lot and your "Romans 1:26-27" cookie(s) gradually bellies up and crumbles
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:56am On Jun 03|
TV01:Why are you having this false air about yourself, as well has displaying unbearable arrogance, conceit and deceit, erh? You, by each and every post are increasingly becoming an insufferable bully. If you're becoming more conceited and arrogant like this, it makes one wonder what next to expect. You need to take in short deep slow breathes in, then out and calm down because I can cause you maximum damage that will deflate you overbloated ego. I easily can cause you pains, give you severe pains that you would make you grimace and you wouldnt know you winced. Please, by all means do comment, but try jumping down off your high horse and stop all this your proof-texting shenanigans, you've started all again in here, like you've been dotting all over the place elsewhere. SMH.
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
So that I am not falsely accused of dodging your question, I'll indulge you and provide you with some sort of scriptural reference or backing for saying: "A categorically big fat YES "
TV01, the purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions, just as it is, for infertile couples, simply, is to love and be loved back in return
The scriptural reference or backing for this, in Jesus' words, please, is or can be found in Matthew 19:12a, where Jesus stated emphatically and/or publicly said some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth
TV01:I repeat, this is not germane because my response was a big fat YES above and not No, so what are you going on about with here now, hmm?
I envisaged some sort of monkey business will unfold and so why I suggested that the thread have an objective and open-minded poster refereeing activities on it
TV01:Knowing fully well, my purview, you still, would type and talk like that, wouldnt you, as you usually do? Look at you, doing your, again, usual strawman mining stunts, like trying to embroil me into trans doctrine,. What has trans doctrine have to do with me, when my purview, clearly is about consensual adults in SS relationships, hmm?. If you want to introduce it, then fine, but I wont go into it with you yet until I've had the chance to get my questions in, edgeways uninterrupted by your red herring practices.
Listen TV01, when one thing is said, the clever person understands three but, hang on, I think, I have warned you before, to try learn to ride before jumping again, on your high horse, havent I?
Pearls don't lie on the seashore TV01. The desire for pearls, attracts and draws divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so, if one wants pearl(s), one must dive for it
TV01:Thank you for kindly giving me the green light and floor. Time is a snitch, because it soon will tell, whether or not, I truly woefully failed to articulate anything meaningful to your alleged quite basic questions you asked me.
I think you're beginning to realise what you've let yourself into, you've bitten more than you can chew, you should have stayed away, like them shepherd00 and jesusjnr. This thread is not going to be a wham bam thank you ma'am 40 seconds man sprint, but is going to be a marathon. Nobody gets off this bumpy ride car before its wheels comes off.
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker?
2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin?
3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships?
4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together
5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together.
Sebi, you desire a scriptural discussion, hmm, let's see how much, you can face up to, stomach and hold down before you start retching them up, give up, call it a day and say you've had enough hmm.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:56am On Jun 03|
openmine:You will totally agree with all that bloodofthelamb submissions because you havent woke
openmine:I am glad and pleased you were able to make it to the thread. Welcome. I see you were expecting to watch a sprint, when in actual fact, it is a marathon.
These guys wont know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. I have discharged a first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions at TV01. Hang about to watch, as the TV01 cookie gradually bellies up, falls apart, like something dunked in hot tea and crumbles
openmine:Thank you for your concern. Trust me, no harm and top of that, undecided individuals should ask question(s), all in order not to be misled.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 8:18am On Jun 03|
Good morning bro MuttleyLaff
I totally agreed with @bloodofthelamb submissions because he/she has presented its points based on the scriptures which so far i havent seen from the OP which is you!
Secondly,i came hoping to see you start the thread by giving out scriptures and not to prove who has vocabulary skills on nairaland!
I was actually expecting an initial brief on your points before trying to know if its a sprint or marathon!
This thread should be about education and not about trying to score points with your supposed adversaries!
First Make your points first with scriptures and lets start from there....
MuttleyLaff:Like i have said,since you are trying to present a point or two,your statements backed with scriptures should come first so that others can contribute....the way am seeing it,its as if you are having an e-war with TV01...which will definitely end up in a vocabulary war and defeat the purpose of the thread!
For me,i expected you should have started giving out your points....the more you tarry,the more people think you are either dodgy or trying to be clever!
Please present your points as soon as possible!
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|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by solite3(m): 8:21am On Jun 03|
mutteylaff you have no point
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:21pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:Master of Verbosity. TV01 asked you a simple question, but you rambled in the hay only to give this weak answer?
Here is Matt 19:12 for those who may not have the time to check it.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
When I call Muttleylaff a truth thief he wld huff and puff. Here is Muttleylaff telling the world that homosexuals are Eunuchs. For real?
Be it as it may, let us analyze this before we go to the scripture.
Eunuchs is a man who has had his sexual organs removed.
Is a Eunuch the same as an impotent man?
Impotence is an abnormal physical or psychological
state of a male characterized by inability to engage in sexual intercourse because of failure to
have or maintain an erection.
Eunuch is castrated, while an impotent man can have his organs but they won't function.
A Eunuch and an impotent men don't have sex at all, but do the homosexuals?
The Lord is saying that they are certain men who are born without male Instruments, some get castrated maybe because they are slaves serving in the palaces of Kings. But, some, like the Apst Paul, gave up sex for the sake of the gospel. But does this talk about homosexuals?
Do homosexuals have sex?
Which Category did the homosexuals fall under going by Matt 19:12?
Are they born homosexuals?
Are some of them made homosexuals?
Did they make themselves homosexuals for the Kingsom of God?
And, what about Lesbians? Are they Eunuchs too?
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|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:28pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:Going by the Matt 19:12 you posted, will you say Homosexuals are Eunuchs?
Do homosexuals have sex?
Are they homosexuals to further the gospel of Christ?
Okay, How many Revivalists and Reformers were homosexuals who principally made themselves thus for the sake of the gospel?
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:35pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:Always obscure in responding to direct questions.
Can you manage to answer questions are they are asked?
The questions TV01 asked you is 'If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?'
Just answer it directly Muttley.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:39pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:watch it so your chest won't break with how hard you are beating it.
Oh Muttleylaff, You fail woefully in your tempt to pass evil as good.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 1:51pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
What is the law?
Leviticus 18:22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
C.E. V. Leviticus 20:13 It's disgusting for men to have sex with one another, and those who do will be put to death, just as they deserve.
Pls disprove the scriptures and within context too.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:02pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:Everything you mentioned there are encapsulated in
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Again, all you mentioned there are prerequisites in Heterosexual union.
And the evil in it is, God says 'Don't do it'. It's against nature. It is an abomination before Him. It kills prosperity. And, He created things to continue to reproduce according to their kind.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 2:06pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:You ain't seen nothing yet
MuttleyLaff:Fear cash you abi
MuttleyLaff:The scriptures are clear and have been universally accepted by Christian orthodoxy for 2'000+ years. Your "Just Yesterday" re-interpretation of scripture means it is incumbent upon you to clearly refute - with sound reasoning mind, not strident assertion - the former understanding and exegete a new one.
MuttleyLaff:This is another example of you daring to sit as if you are God, which is rich given the way you let fly with invective against me to open your post.
Muttleylaff, please show from scripture where God had infertility as part of His original creational design . As early as the OT, the promise to the Lords people of "none shall be barren" was clear. Further, all those with "closed wombs" would conceive after entreaty to The Most High.
God's created them male and female, instituted marriage and commanded them to "go forth and multiply". How did God (or your royal homosexualist who deigns to...I can't even say it ) expect the SS unions to multiply, or, have infertility as part of that design/plan.
Muttleylaff, why is there no archetype, pattern or shadow of ss unions - because it ain't there that's why? And only one blindly driven by lust or homo-mis-contextualist ideology would even dare suggest it is. Hian .
MuttleyLaff:Such blatant deceit - Eunuchs were as a result of the fall, not the original creation plan. And that is not a reference to SSA persons, it is physical defects in male sexual function or castration. You can lie . (ref - https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/1#78979660).
MuttleyLaff:And a whinger to boot - homosexualist, homosexually
MuttleyLaff:Ogbeni, you offer nothing. Nothing that merits time or attention. It's all bunkum. Ideologically driven balderdash.
MuttleyLaff:Again - The scriptures are clear and have been universally accepted by Christian orthodoxy for 2'000+ years. Your "Just Yesterday" re-interpretation of scripture means it is incumbent upon you to clearly refute - with sound reasoning mind, not strident assertion - the former understanding and exegete a new one.
Why don't you attempt a social argument for sodomy? Not that you can do so successfully, but you'd have much more traction than trying to make the case scripturally. You trip up with every statement. Every utterance leads to blasphemy, illogicality, or a hot mess - you must get your orifices confused .
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:06pm On Jun 03|
MuttleyLaff:Have you been reading at all?
Everything that concerns marriage in the Bible is about a man and a woman. I think the person who shd be posting scriptures to back up is you.
Every scripture you've posted so far is crab.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by kkins25(m): 2:09pm On Jun 03|
Hello, thanks for the mention @ muttley which unfortunately i didnt notice until now. Im getting ready to go to work but would be drop my opinion later.
Do i believe homosexuality is ansin? HELL NO..
Those the bible say homosexualism is evil??
From the narrative of lot and the the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin..
But i dont take the bible as moral authoruty because the bible has been dead for the past 2600 years....although it holds some core wisdom on human nature. However humanity cannot survive in this evolving world by following every word of the bible hence, science and philosophy is the new authority.. Furthermore, the bible is subject to perception bias. Why trust the interpreters? Brb
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:56am On Jun 04|
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?
You are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:57am On Jun 04|
TV01:"People who are proud will soon be disgraced. It is wiser to be modest."
- Proverbs 11:2
"Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall."
- Proverbs 16:18
When arrogance comes, disgrace follows and enters, then comes shame. It is wiser to be modest.
TV01:No, fear can nefa cash me, however I do know that, nothing is as dangerous as an ignorant believer and/or Christian, an informed enemy is to be preferred
TV01:We would have advanced to doing just that, if only you had the mettle to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you.
TV01:Please, pretty please, please reproduce here in verbatim, the invective(s) I let fly and/or levelled at you. If you are unable to reproduce in verbatim the invective, then retract your comment and tender me your profuse apologies
TV01:Look at you, you never can see the woods for the trees. It is not my problem, if you can't get to grips with all I wrote in that section.
Please why couldnt you just have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you instead of this theatrical pantomime act show you are putting on here
TV01:SMH. You still dont get that, the whole thing isnt about about gender or procreation.
I just knew you would baulk at the sight of those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and that you wouldnt attempt the questions
TV01:You are a smart person, but it is heart wrenching, watching and reading you keep on displaying the arrogance of an intellectual delighting in his own ignorance.
TV01:Did Jesus, not in Matthew 19:12a, state emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb with same sex attraction, hmm? Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch, just as same as same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.
TV01, just calm down to let me share a true life story incident with you, so that you'll get a bit of perspective from the "some are born from the womb" comment. The guy in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and enjoying a lovingly SSA relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all, in short, but his mum fondly recalls that, when he was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, said her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy"
TV01:You are borrowing a leaf from Sheperd00. Please dont do that, it is unbecoming of you, to be picking up after Shepherd00, copying his loutish and uncouth bad habit(s). I rather you answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and that you made no attempt answering
TV01:"Homosexuality by scripture works in tandem with the love of the Christ preached."
- In The Universe? by MuttleyLaff: 5:29pm On Jun 02
"Well that's not what you're teaching, or perhaps you are in your own crass way which I warned you about but which you went paranoid on!
A good teacher must understand the level of the student and not confuse them with what is above their level least they do not see what they are being taught and have an excuse to refuse to learn."
- Re: Muttleylatff: What Does Homosexuality Serve In The Universe? by budaatum: 5:49pm On Jun 02
budaatum was trying to warn me, but I went paranoia on him. My apologies budaatum. I misunderstood you and so got the wrong end of the stick
TV01:Just answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and let the discovery(ies) begin o jaare
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|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:58am On Jun 04|
openmine:openmine, where and when did bloodofthelamb present his/her points based on the scriptures, hmm? I dont see any from the below link
openmine:Would that then be my fault, if TV01 flat refused and refuses, to those answer my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, hmm? There is something he is afraid of finding out that is why TV01 cant get himself to answer the questions and get me properly started on the thread
openmine:The education would have started to unfold if TV01 had the courage to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him but sensed something, like danger of getting exposed, so he developed cold feet and bottled up, just like Shepherd00 and particularly jesusjnr is fond of doing.
openmine:Scriptures are already coming on the thread from me, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him
openmine:I dont make it a habit having an e-war, nor do I run away from one
openmime, I was jejely minding my business, in the little corner of mine before TV01 came muscling up to me and gunning for me. It escalated to a point that all and sundry, where making loud hues and cries insistently telling me to respond to TV01, this is why the thread started with addressing his and Shepherd00 questions. There is this friend of mine known as Ranchhoddas or ThothHermes, he was among those fuelling the screaming for me to respond. He at one time had an insane score board with something like TV01 (7) versus MuttleyLaff (0)
All I want, is the opportunity to advance the truth, dispel the lies. I am not interested in any vocabulary war and defeat nonsense. Do you think, I havent got better things to do? That I am that bored and I pass time this way, hmm?
TV01 called me out, saying, I was this and was that, and everyone was hailing him, saying I have met my match etcetera. I kept my head down quietly until the birth of this thread for heads to begin to roll
openmine:Then please I ask TV01 to kindly begin answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him
This is why I suggested having a referee for this thread, I kind of suspected that monkey businesses, would sooner or later be used on the thread. It hadnt taken solite3 and TV01 long to start indulging in them. Would you mind being a referee for the thread?
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04|
kkins25:I am glad you honoured the invite and made it here. You can drop your own opinion(s), once you dont mind, when applicable, it will be headed off with or by facts.
kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has. This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts.
It is better to know the facts, before forming opinions, as that wouldnt make you be like the rest of them, the likes of the TV01, shepherd00, etcetera, having a hard and tough time, accepting the facts of the truth and that I have moved on from the same place, but they are still in the same place. TV01, Shepherd00, elated177, jesusjnr and others have little or no regard for biblical and historical context, they only conveniently ignore it. Now TV01 knew I'll make mincemeat of him, that is why refrained from answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him.
Another day for making the Benjamins things, hmmm?
kkins25:Correct guy, you head dey there gidigba, sharp, sharpishly o jaare.
kkins25:The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them
kkins25:Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors
kkins25:The bible is alive, living and active. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me come alive.
kkins25:I doubt science and philosophy has ever been any new authority kkins because, check out this naaaaa, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all and also watch this kkins, science says, we need four basic elements to survive: Water, Air, Food and Light, but look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself. He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6), breath of life (i.e. John 20:22), I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, John 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46)
kkins25:kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's instructional book for living and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:36am On Jun 04|
MuttleyLaff:with all due respect to what you just said,its the same thing am still seeing just like the other thread!
There has been no single defence on your part to prove that the homosexual acts are okay with God!
All i see is replying scriptures with your own logic or opinions!
Like i have said which i have made explicit,use this opportunity to make your submissions with SCRIPTURES and corresponding scriptures so that others can also contribute and ask questions based on the scriptures you put forward....i dont like back and forth squabbles!
As for @bloodofthelamb,i think his submissions were made clear at the other thread which is what i expected when you invited me to this thread...However,all i see so far here is a trail of vocabulary induced e-war between you and TV01!
And with all honesty,i believe some scriptures that where presented by TV01 should have been refuted by you instantly using the same scriptures!
I also have my reservations when it comes to such abominable acts and my convictions are formulated with or without scriptures!
Hence,when i see such thread,i simply want to know the analogy behind such beliefs!
So without too much talk,please make your submissions on the issue of homosexuality WITH SCRIPTURES AND CORRESPONDING SCRIPTURES!
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 9:55am On Jun 04|
openmine:openmine, what does the title of the thread say, hmm? TV01 is the big hotshot who came out at me, so that is why I am starting with him and as well facing him. If only he just would answer those my four easy, simple, straightforward direct questions to get this whole matter properly started.
I know about all your reservations, it would be addressed, if just TV01 would answer those four questions. It is him holding things up openmine, talk to him
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:15am On Jun 04|
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their own hearts to [sexual] impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25 because [by choice] they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
24 So God gave them just what their lustful hearts desired. As a result, they violated their bodies and invited shame into their lives. 25 How? By choosing a foolish lie over God’s truth. They gave their lives and devotion to the creature rather than to the Creator Himself, who is blessed forever and ever. Amen. 26-27 This is why God released them to their own vile pursuits, and this is what happened: they chose sexual counterfeits—WOMEN had sexual relations with other WOMEN and MEN committed unnatural, SHAMEFUL ACTS because they burned with lust for other MEN. This sin was rife, and they suffered painful consequences.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
1 Timothy 1:9-10 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
1 Timothy 1:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
1 Timothy 1:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:17am On Jun 04|
MuttleyLaff:Okay i await your submissions!
Though like i said the more you tarry,the more people like me think you have no point to offer!
Unfortunately,that's how i think!
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:32am On Jun 04|
openmine:I don't want to talk anymore until TV01 answers those questions so please don't and stop making it look like any form of nothing is happening, is due or down to me.
All you posted up there, them bible verses I mean, will, trust me, be dealt with when TV01, replies with his moniker handle to my four earlier asked questions.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:47am On Jun 04|
You can as well tag the thread a MuttleyLaff VS TV01 Vocabo/lingual e-war!
From your submissions,you just defeated the very purpose of this thread!
When you are ready to prove your points on why God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts using scriptures and not what am disappointingly viewing here,that's when i will grant this thread a view and possibly a comment!
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:51am On Jun 04|
openmine:I think TV01 is buying time or has decided to jack it in and call it a day, knowing fully well he would be exposed and left hung to dry if he should have the courage to answer my four questions. I'll give you a notification mention, if he mans up and replies to them.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:52am On Jun 04|
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:54am On Jun 04|
openmine:All you posted up there, them bible verses I mean, will, trust me, be dealt with when TV01, replies with his moniker handle to my four earlier asked questions.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 10:57am On Jun 04|
MuttleyLaff:You are completely devoid of shame.
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 11:05am On Jun 04|
Shepherd00:Is it a lie.? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?
|Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 11:08am On Jun 04|
Shepherd00:Is it a lie? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?
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