MuttleyLaff:
I am prepared and ready to tell you that to each their own and most especially that Jesus takes you just the way you, so far you are in a romantic, trusting, kind, faithful, caring not cruel to anyone, mutual love that is till death do part SSA relationship.

OkCornel:
Yes, but the question is... would a homosexual remain the same after encountering Jesus?
Perhaps we can also extend this to weed smokers, bestialists e.t.c.

MuttleyLaff:
You better be. Don't say you werent warned and don't come looking for me to gain assistance against whatever fate befalls you

MuttleyLaff:

God SEES NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

MuttleyLaff:
"²²And Judah (i.e. the people of Judah) did what was evil in the sight of the Lord,
and they provoked Him to jealousy with their sins that they committed, more than all that their fathers had done.
²³For they also built for themselves high places and pillars
and Asherim (i.e. Asherah poles) on every high hill and under every green tree,
²⁴and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land.
They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the Lord drove out before the people of Israel."
- 1 Kings 14:22-24

Philanderer homosexuals who enters into casual sexual relationships, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Promiscuous homosexuals potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who abuse and/or misuse "weeding smoking", potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into fairking animals, like as in, into bestiality, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into having multiple partners, into sleeping around, or being monogamish, as TV01 would like to identify it or put it, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

What else perhaps do you also want to extend this with? I asked because I am sensing, you and everyone else, so far on this thread, thinks I believe that all homosexual acts or relationships are good, no I wouldnt believe so, the same way, I wouldn't believe that all non-homosexual sexual acts or relationships are good.

openmine:
Like i have always said, one of the reasons why i was interested and graced this thread was due to the insistence of the OP that he has scriptures to prove God sees nothing UNTOWARD about a consensual homosexual relationship!

Now the problem i discovered is that the OP spent valuable time either disputing scriptures that explicitly condemning homosexuality or wantonly sidestepping very predominant questions that challenged his hypothesis!

One of the questions that have lacked any convincing responses or replies were scriptures that at-least had any kind of connection or proximity that will prove God see nothing untoward about homosexual relationship(whether consensual or not)
Most of the scriptures presented so far by OP which is Matthew 19:12(which was in reference to eunuchs) and Romans 8:1-2 has absolutely no correlation or near connectivity with God's acceptance of homosexual acts!

But lets just say that there were no scripture that had any connection with homosexuality,was there an instance of homosexuality being accepted in any of the scriptures or where God directly or indirectly welcomed or accepted any SS consensual union?

However,there are more than 20 scriptures where God welcomes,accepts and loves the union of a man and a woman!

Like i have told Muttleylaff, if his postulations(Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union) were based on some logic from an acclaimed researcher or author, i would have silently left this thread because such has been debated ad infinitum!
But Op said his postulations were based on scriptures because he said and i quote......

If God said so according to OP,why is it 'next to impossible' for OP to find any scripture that has any semblance or proximity to what was said above?

Why haven't we been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible?


These are pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!
No long story,no puerile dispose and no prevarication!

Shepherd00:
Go ahead and invoke the power of your homosexual god on me let's see how far it can go.

A butterfly thinks himself a bird.

Shepherd00:
You'd have to give one couple who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible. Just one.

Shepherd00:
You'd have to give one couple who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible. Just one.

MuttleyLaff:
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tbh, I as usual, would have ignored this post, but in order to set the record straight and show how this poster keeps on failing to observe the limits of what is permitted and/or appropriate, I just have to do it with proofs and/or evidence, he has been unable to correctly present and correctly provide the URL link to fabricated lies he made about me, just in order for him to tarnish me and just as well to deceive others.

Openmine has a problem as you can see from the above screenshot in understanding the difference between "God sees" and "God said" The first screenshot display was from an interaction between bloodofthelamb and I, at 7:10am On Jun 07 2019, whilst the second screenshot was again between bloodofthelamb and I, but on another and later date at 5:06am On Jun 12 2019 . Everyone except openmine, can see and follow the context of the interaction between bloodofthelamb and I. People like openmine, make lawyers happy.

Can openmine now show me and all, where and when I said anything about "God said" huh? I just got tired of the Ignore Mode ON, I had to temporarily lift it, so to reiterate that, it is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them.

Why is openmine waiting for me, to show him passage(s) in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible? Is that what this thread was set out to do ni?

I have been very generous, calm, accomodating, understanding, cool and OK about the persistent actions and cunning plans by various contributing posters, the likes of budaatum, TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel designed to turn this thread into another topic and issue other than deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union

His remark about "... an acclaimed researcher or author..." made me laugh. These are words said, typically to cover for one's own shortcomings, inferiority complex and inadequacy(ies). Do these his so called "an acclaimed researcher or author" have two heads? Arent they human beings just like everyone else ni?

I guess, openmine, also has not read the part of the Bible, in Psalms, that said "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise" God is no respecter of persons, He uses anyone, He uses fishermen, He uses unlearned people. God uses "non-acclaimed researcher or author" openmine

You still can silently leave this thread whenever it suits you, dont let anyone stop you, as the door is never closed or shut. It's going to always be left wide ajar open

You haven't been able to see any passage in the bible or quote from scriptures where homosexual acts or homosexual couples were permissible because you have been doing fairk all properly reading and correctly studying Bible, that's why openmine.

These are no pertinent questions that Op must do well to adequately respond to!. I owe you no pertinent questions. I am answerable to God and the genuine seeker(s) of the real truth. I did not open this thread up to suck up to yours or others whims and caprices. The minute you understand that, the better for all

Now "Ignore Mode ON" is temporarily off so we both can have a sane, meaningful, healthy and mature conversation. It is also off because I am in a happy mood, but it will pronto be activated and reverted, the moment you start again giving lip and/or making innuendos

MuttleyLaff:
The fact you think its cool and acceptable to talk to a moG and God, in the way you do and continually have been doing, PROVES to me that satanism somewhere is involved. Please dont take it personal or insulting, it is just a honest observation made

Na God who said "I AM WHO I AM," you bin call homosexual god and you desecrate Him sotay, you even use a small "g" for Him, erhn Shepherd00? God, Whom bin say, is the God of everything and everybody. He is the God of all creation, so hmm, you dis nwanne Shepherd00, you wan use small hands, bin take big Hand upon yarself, right? OK oo, but when time reach, wey una go hear, when una go know say bamboo no be chewing stick, no call me ooo or bin look around for me ooo to help plead case on ya behalf for una ooo

You all are indecisive, shying away from the lies that the facts show that terms like porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals.

"A bowl of vegetables with someone you love, is better than steak, with someone you hate."
- Proverbs 15:17

Shepherd00, you and the likes of TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel, are reluctant to thinking in a logical and sensible way that, an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible would be a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part SSA relationships and be one void of a cheating partner, void of a partner that sleeps around, void of a lustful and covetous partner, void of an emotionally manipulative partner, void of a domestic violence abusive or cruel partner, void of a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, void of a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s) etcetera.

I dont know where from, it comes and why the hatred for SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

What is to be feared of SSA persons that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships?

What is scary, evil, bad and wrong in SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, hmm?

You sure like to run even before learning how to, in this order, first learn to crawl, walk and stroll before this running business you naively are considering. You are not ready nor worthy yet, to know, who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible Shepherd00

openmine:
Like I always say, Muttleylaff you talk too much and yet would want to try in vain to make sense out of your nonsensical write-ups as usual!

Oga,in simple terms, where in scriptures does God SEE nothing Untoward about a consensual homosexual act?

As for lifting your ignore mode claptrap, I chuckle uncontrollably because I knew nothing in form of scriptures could come out from from those lying fingers of yours!

Go back and read the back and forth between us and you will see your trails of lies that display a dishonest and deceitful guy who is hell-bent on trying in vain to twist words to sound half logical!

So its no longer 'God said' but now 'God sees'?

I laugh in tongues!

MuttleyLaff:
You are still incorrigble I am seeing. My very dear overzealous dedicated fan heckler, please for the umpteeth time, when and where did you ever read me type and say: "God said" hmm? Please I will crawl over broken bottles to see this proof or evidence of me that I according to you, I typed "God said"

You made a web of lies, that is why you couldnt bring any proof, but to only twist an innocent and matured healthy discussion that was going on between bloodofthelamb and I, that you latched on and only made a dog's dinner out of. You and Shepherd00 need to be careful.

You can chuckle uncontrollably, as much as you like, nobi you get mouth, but remember who chuckles uncontrollably last, chuckles uncontrollably the best.

"Tọrọ kobo kan to yọ, jẹdijẹdi kankan o le gba lọwọ mi", loosely translated means "hell will first freeze up, before you get to see that narrative in the Bible where SSA relationship was not minded"

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

MuttleyLaff:
The Bible doesn't strictly condemn homosexuality per se nor does it condemn sex between homos, what the Bible explicitly condemns, like for example, the Leviticus verses, are homo sex done under pagan influence, done with fertility gods/goddess temple prostitutes. Other verses in the New Testament like Romans, Timothy and Corinthians are against homos interested in prepubescent
children, against promiscuous homos and temple prostituting males.

There is no Bible verse that condemns homosexuality as a whole or generally.

If you need detailed info or other questions, please don't hesitate to ask

openmine:

The bible totally condemns homosexual acts!
Consensual or not isn't the case because what is wrong is wrong and there is no point trying to sugarcoat any....

There are more than 25 verses in the bible that accepts,welcomes and institute a relationship or marriage of two different genders which was validated by God who said in explicit terms......

That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Genesis 2:24

and Jesus also endorsed marriage between man and woman when he said....

He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them MALE and FEMALE, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his FATHER and his MOTHER and hold fast to HIS WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."
Matthew 19:4-6 (ESV)

However,there is no SCRIPTURE that bears any semblance or proximity of an acceptance of homosexual acts in the scriptures be it consensual or not!

If someone says a section of homosexuality in this case loving and consensual couples are now permissible by God,there should be at least on instance or example of such couples in the scripture!

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole. This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

EmperorHarry:

I totally understand what you saying.I'm only looking for verses that don't restrict homosexuality to having sex with the same gender.
This would mean that the bible condemns both the gay person and gay sex but from what I'm aware of it's just the sexual part cos individuals are abused and victimized for being gay but is it warranted?
Does emotional and romantic attraction towards the same sex mean that one should be put to death or in modern day condemned? Or is it when you are having sexual relations with the same sex that you warrant condemnation.

TV01:
From a Christian/Biblical perspective the wording of your query is inherently flawed.

The Bible does not recognise a "homosexual" as type of person. That is a category error. There is nothing like a "heterosexual either. The bible recognises male and female created sexually dimporphous, evidence by the complimentarity of their sexual/reproductive function/ality.

Caegorising people as "homosexual" is wholly a social norm. Widespread, generally accepted, hardly ever questioned. But purely social. No scientist or scientific study ever refers to humans/people as homosexual. Likewise no legal code ever recognises a homosexual as a distinct type of person. Homosexual is always qualified by the word "act".

With the correct biblical understanding in place, your question can be more readily addressed. DO some people experience SSA? Absolutely, it does not make them ontologically or functionally different from those who don't.

Is the attraction in itself a sin? Only if - excuse the seeming pun - a head is given to such lustful feelings. If they are rightly recognised as disordered and not entertained and stood against, it is not sin - just as for opposite sex lust or feelings . SS physical intimacy of a sexual nature is always sin.



TV

EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination.So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?

MuttleyLaff:
The fact you think its cool and acceptable to talk to a moG and God, in the way you do and continually have been doing, PROVES to me that satanism somewhere is involved. Please dont take it personal or insulting, it is just a honest observation made

Na God who said "I AM WHO I AM," you bin call homosexual god and you desecrate Him sotay, you even use a small "g" for Him, erhn Shepherd00? God, Whom bin say, is the God of everything and everybody. He is the God of all creation, so hmm, you dis nwanne Shepherd00, you wan use small hands, bin take big Hand upon yarself, right? OK oo, but when time reach, wey una go hear, when una go know say bamboo no be chewing stick, no call me ooo or bin look around for me ooo to help plead case on ya behalf for una ooo

You all are indecisive, shying away from the lies that the facts show that terms like porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals.

"A bowl of vegetables with someone you love, is better than steak, with someone you hate."
- Proverbs 15:17

Shepherd00, you and the likes of TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel, are reluctant to thinking in a logical and sensible way that, an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible would be a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part SSA relationships and be one void of a cheating partner, void of a partner that sleeps around, void of a lustful and covetous partner, void of an emotionally manipulative partner, void of a domestic violence abusive or cruel partner, void of a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, void of a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s) etcetera.

I dont know where from, it comes and why the hatred for SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

What is to be feared of SSA persons that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships?

What is scary, evil, bad and wrong in SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, hmm?

You sure like to run even before learning how to, in this order, first learn to crawl, walk and stroll before this running business you naively are considering. You are not ready nor worthy yet, to know, who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible Shepherd00

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

Shepherd00:

Pls ask him further why the HOMOSEXUAL ACT is met with a sentence of death everytime is mentioned since God does not condemn it.

I can provide scriptures.

EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination.So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?

EmperorHarry:
@bolded That would be helpful.

openmine:

Its like saying or believing that since you dont indulge in wrongful acts but only in your thoughts,God will definitely see you as righteous!

"Thought is action is rehearsal"

Everything about homosexuality first started with a thought before it metamorphosed into a reality!

The very thought of being attracted to a same sex is enough to imply that you will definitely find a partner and you will one day become affectionate with such partner!

These are the trail of just one thought!

This can be likened to a man looking at a woman in a seductive manner but just because you have conceived that thought implies that you will definitely have sexual actions with such lady!

You cannot be 'gay' on your own in the absence of a partner!
God sees the intent of man and he knows such thought will lead to an action one day hence,he will not permit such thought!

Remember that Jesus said that if a man looks at a lady in a seductive way,he has already committed sin because he already had such thought....

All am trying to say is that,you cannot have a place in heaven because such acts go against the plan of God for mankind!

Though like I have said,the abuse and killing of those who practice such acts is condemnable!

EmperorHarry:

Is it humanity's fault that the plan was distorted after the "fall of man"? The bible kicks against fornication but not the same sex kinda fornication. I'm only asking these questions cause a person can identify as gay and be treated like the devil's twin.
The Catholic priests and nuns who are sworn to celibacy are testaments that one can do without involving in sexual acts(regardless of what they do behind the scenes) and as such identifying as gay doesn't mean one would eventually indulge in sex acts with the same sex.

EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination.So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?

EmperorHarry:
Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender. As a sexual orientation, homosexuality is "an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions" to people of the same sex. It "also refers to a person's sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions."
Wiki

1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex : GAY
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex
: a person who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex.

TV01 and openmine thanks for the replies.I think I've gotten just what I needed to know as regards to my question.I'll wait for Shepherd and those verses.

EmperorHarry:

@bolded That would be helpful.