Movado19, are you related to Ikupakuti?

Hkana:
Movado19, are you related to Ikupakuti?

why did you ask this?

Empiree:
Deep. I can agree with this actually. It means khidr could actually mean a giant leader of Ruhaniyun. As much as I thought to myself to achieve some levels of higher spirituality, it pains when when I realize my limit. Sometimes it looks like those correct baba were not humans. Their level of worship/devotion with their limited knowledge was gold

May Allah give us the strength to always devout entirely for Him and Him alone. The uniqueness of those people stems from.sincerity and yakeen of whatever they read from Quran and hadith and immediately put such into practice.

Do you know there are muslims who don't even believe in the concept of awliyah meeting with Hazrat Khidr?.

I wouldn't be surprised about that. How would you explain the beauty of a ROSE to somebody who is born blind? Practically impossible because he wouldn't understand has he has never "seen" such before or partake in such experience. Look at the exalted station of holy Prophet(saw) more than half of world population if not up to 2/3 still in doubt or outright rejected his message. People only study Quran without thorough grasp of some WISDOM behind it or spiritual benefit, so if you'be experience that before how would you understand this.This is what Sayid Qutub pointed out in Milestone that ealy Muslims learn(memorize etc) as much Quran as they know they can practice while we "indomie generation" lol study for academic and intellectual discuss deriving little to nothing benefit out of it.

Chai, this rank na superb. Many don't believe this but I have heard from confirmed shuyukh in Nigeria and outside Nigeria that it happened. Famous Sheikh we all know with regards to this was Amir Awliya Hazrat sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Buuuuulala.

But bcus of misconceptions today our scholars in line of tassawuf downplayed it. I once listened to a sheik from USA. He was explaining many things around tassawuf. It was in form of question and answer. I forgot the name of this Sheikh. He's originally from India/Pakistan region and a Deobandi group. When asked about a sheik transporting himself to Mecca for salat, he simply downplayed it saying "be careful of these fake shuyukh who made path with shaytan" . He then smiled.

Such his that lofty station for those that can achieve such feast. Bro Movado19 has succinctly answered the question. Before you pull such feast you must have practically subdued your lower self and come to realization that you're NOT this "cloak" called body. Then you experience first hand what takbirat ihram at the beginning can transform you into instant when you begining your salah talk less of many wonderful Quranic words you recited. I pray Allah give us the yakeen and ihklas to worship alone and partake in such spiritual experience that make you forget anything else. Amin

Wave-Particle...
He who knows himself/herself will know his/her Rabb.
Quantum Mechanics begins to become a reality in one's life the moment your spirit "rides" your nafs or ego as a horse; and not the other way around as we see it today.

"Those who strive hard in Us, We shall most surely guide them in our Ways” - Surah Al Ankaboot 29:69

Thanks for this illustration. Now tell me, some body who has not recognize himself, how is going to relate with all this experience/phenomenon? But like the ayah you cited whosoever works in that direction sincerely the divine MERCY would always guide them towards HIM.

Empiree:
why did you ask this?

I see what Hkana saw lol. Can't you see how movavo19 related quantum mechanics with that spiritual experience we are talking about. Thats is how Ikupakuti normally do. Abi Movado19 is Ikupakuti in disguise or sort of "reincarnation" lol

Empiree:
why did you ask this?

I noticed the way he relates spirituality to physics, energy and the others. But his most recent contribution where he mentioned quantum mechanics, wave particle got me.

As regards teleporting little knowledge but we learn as we share, some times it's not on his physical body as I have come to known I might be wrong duo, sometimes when it's almost time for prayer the spirit leaves one's self i.e theiugh trans or beibf fully awarw and goes to Haram or any plane/dimension to pray or do zikir with people either physically or people with same spirits assembled there doing zikir or praying, the physical body still remains.

I had an experience where my friend told me his niece always tells him she goes for Jumma at Haram, I was amazed duo she's been affected by the jin, she said the jin takes her there she always perform sallah and she knows everywhere there, and there's this man who just sits and tells you everything going on in the prophet's mosque different people different things.

But the concept of teleporting is real but sometimes when you teleport your real self is still here and your other self goes there and does what he wants.

Take a light for example pass it on a glass you see some reflectivity taking place where one light becomes multiple and hence reaches so many places others are dim others are bright.

With this an individual would be almost at 3 places at same time.

While being Alive, not the Qareen or Jasasa this time.

But his physical body is still present there but not truly,
Take the home made movies for example when one teleport if they want him back the other guy just takes where he stood and say some things fiam he's back.


It's like the angle of death he's one but can be everywhere at the same time, does many operations at once without compromise.


Take this light as ur Nur/Ruh and the refractive object as a tool Almighty Allah gave you but without this Nur/Ruh being bright enough the tool can't be reflective enough.

My little take might be wrong duo.

The teleportation part is a very sensitive subject....
I believe there is an element of what these guys call astral travel in Sufism?


The journey of the prophet to heaven (All Isra wa Miraj)...
I've always wondered if there is an element bof astral travel in this too....

It's a very sensitive subject to touch, because many people come with daggers and swords(literarily) when we discuss this subject.

Hkana:


I noticed the way he relates spirituality to physics, energy and the others. But his most recent contribution where he mentioned quantum mechanics, wave particle got me.

I have noticed this way earlier since around the time he surfaced. Later I realised he actually sent me email at the time ikupakuti was around. Still they have similar traits.

Yes, it is way beyond layman comprehension. I personally don't deny it.

Alhajiemeritus:
The teleportation part is a very sensitive subject....
I believe there is an element of what these guys call astral travel in Sufism?


The journey of the prophet to heaven (All Isra wa Miraj)...
I've always wondered if there is an element bof astral travel in this too....

It's a very sensitive subject to touch, because many people come with daggers and swords(literarily) when we discuss this subject.

Bakar1:
As regards teleporting little knowledge but we learn as we share, some times it's not on his physical body as I have come to known I might be wrong duo, sometimes when it's almost time for prayer the spirit leaves one's self i.e theiugh trans or beibf fully awarw and goes to Haram or any plane/dimension to pray or do zikir with people either physically or people with same spirits assembled there doing zikir or praying, the physical body still remains.

I had an experience where my friend told me his niece always tells him she goes for Jumma at Haram, I was amazed duo she's been affected by the jin, she said the jin takes her there she always perform sallah and she knows everywhere there, and there's this man who just sits and tells you everything going on in the prophet's mosque different people different things.

But the concept of teleporting is real but sometimes when you teleport your real self is still here and your other self goes there and does what he wants.

Take a light for example pass it on a glass you see some reflectivity taking place where one light becomes multiple and hence reaches so many places others are dim others are bright.

With this an individual would be almost at 3 places at same time.

While being Alive, not the Qareen or Jasasa this time.

But his physical body is still present there but not truly,
Take the home made movies for example when one teleport if they want him back the other guy just takes where he stood and say some things fiam he's back.


It's like the angle of death he's one but can be everywhere at the same time, does many operations at once without compromise.


Take this light as ur Nur/Ruh and the refractive object as a tool Almighty Allah gave you but without this Nur/Ruh being bright enough the tool can't be reflective enough.

My little take might be wrong duo.

Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla said what you said here with respect to sheikh bulala. I have no reason to doubt it

LadunaI:

I see what Hkana saw lol. Can't you see how movavo19 related quantum mechanics with that spiritual experience we are talking about. Thats is how Ikupakuti normally do. Abi Movado19 is Ikupakuti in disguise or sort of "reincarnation" lol

I have long suspected faah. I am only convinced it isn't him when I realised he sent me email when ikupakuti was around. I believed I asked him that time actually when I noticed the same traits but unfortunately he read pass my question without giving answer. Legs crossed

Alhajiemeritus:
The teleportation part is a very sensitive subject....
I believe there is an element of what these guys call astral travel in Sufism?


The journey of the prophet to heaven (All Isra wa Miraj)...
I've always wondered if there is an element bof astral travel in this too....

It's a very sensitive subject to touch, because many people come with daggers and swords(literarily) when we discuss this subject.

Astral travel as I have come to know is more of a dream state like, you on your bed sleeping semi I. that realm your Ruh leaves your body you could see your physical body in the astral travel you create your destinations at tines, you could be in a huge castle and all but all is in your imagination not real.

But the prophet's journey was real he ascended body and soul.

Leaving or entering a realm has to do with stars, our galaxies is filled with stars when a star dies it becomes a blackhole trough which it's used as a gateway for entering or leaving a realm even the angels use this it's like a portal once you enter you move.
A wormhole acts as a shortcut connecting two distant regions in the universe.
God gave this method of transportation to his angels throughout the universe. The Quran calls them 'Ma'arej' and describes how angels use them for long distance travel. Today Moslems know that these 'Ma'arej' is what scientists call wormholes.

Energy isn't needed to navigate there it's Asif you enter a place and voom with the speed of light you are at the other end of a plane gravity does his work here

With this work being done little energy being exacted gravity takes away the concept of space time here little time would cover grate distance like say the travel could be done in like 800,000 years our time but there and then in a jiffy exacting little energy but for us we would use all our energy to meet the 800,000 years timeframe because of
1. Gravity not on our side
2. Our configuration not balanced
And all.

[Quran 70.3-4] (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

The worm holes are like doors in the heavens that links to other heavens/dimension, in those dimension or space they are beauty to behold, very beautiful scenery.

Take an example seeing different stars with different colours changing at spontaneous time with so many side attractions.

Almighty Allah Said
[Quran 15.13-17] They do not believe the Message, like those who preceded them; Even if We [Allah] opened upon them from the heaven a door and they continued passing through it they would say 'Our sight is intoxicated, rather we have been bewitched'. It is We [Allah] who have made towering structures in the heavens and made them beautiful for beholders. And We protected them from every evil spirit accursed.

Even the angels and high spirits are beauty different colour of auras and gems emitting from where they are and themselves.

I had an experience where my friend told me his niece always tells him she goes for Jumma at Haram, I was amazed duo she's been affected by the jin, she said the jin takes her there she always perform sallah and she knows everywhere there, and there's this man who just sits and tells you everything going on in the prophet's mosque different people different things.

But the concept of teleporting is real but sometimes when you teleport your real self is still here and your other self goes there and does what he wants.

Take a light for example pass it on a glass you see some reflectivity taking place where one light becomes multiple and hence reaches so many places others are dim others are bright.

With this an individual would be almost at 3 places at same time.

.

Can you pls share more about that sister story? As much as jinn has some capabilities, there feast would always be inferior to those that are grounded in the knowledge of Kitab like the way Asif did. Yes most of this teleporting take place in spiritual realm not physical and you beginning to have firm faith in them when at some point you realized that you are NOT this physical body but our real self is ruh. And the effect of Quran words/recitation in that sphere on our Ruh and its manifestation make you have better understanding of some QuraMic words.

Thanks for that second illustration of light, it gives more reason why some of things in other world is posible. I once asked one imam/scholar about certain spiritual experience I read, he said you can only better appreciate when you partake in such experience. And that has been the way I am been able to relate well with them even I have yet to truly experience most of it myself.

Bakar1:


Astral travel as I have come to know is more of a dream state like, you on your bed sleeping semi I. that realm your Ruh leaves your body you could see your physical body in the astral travel you create your destinations at tines, you could be in a huge castle and all but all is in your imagination not real.

But the prophet's journey was real he ascended body and soul.

Leaving or entering a realm has to do with stars, our galaxies is filled with stars when a star dies it becomes a blackhole trough which it's used as a gateway for entering or leaving a realm even the angels use this it's like a portal once you enter you move.
A wormhole acts as a shortcut connecting two distant regions in the universe.
God gave this method of transportation to his angels throughout the universe. The Quran calls them 'Ma'arej' and describes how angels use them for long distance travel. Today Moslems know that these 'Ma'arej' is what scientists call wormholes.

Energy isn't needed to navigate there it's Asif you enter a place and voom with the speed of light you are at the other end of a plane gravity does his work here

With this work being done little energy being exacted gravity takes away the concept of space time here little time would cover grate distance like say the travel could be done in like 800,000 years our time but there and then in a jiffy exacting little energy but for us we would use all our energy to meet the 800,000 years timeframe because of
1. Gravity not on our side
2. Our configuration not balanced
And all.

[Quran 70.3-4] (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

The worm holes are like doors in the heavens that links to other heavens/dimension, in those dimension or space they are beauty to behold, very beautiful scenery.

Take an example seeing different stars with different colours changing at spontaneous time with so many side attractions.

Almighty Allah Said
[Quran 15.13-17] They do not believe the Message, like those who preceded them; Even if We [Allah] opened upon them from the heaven a door and they continued passing through it they would say 'Our sight is intoxicated, rather we have been bewitched'. It is We [Allah] who have made towering structures in the heavens and made them beautiful for beholders. And We protected them from every evil spirit accursed.

Even the angels and high spirits are beauty different colour of auras and gems emitting from where they are and themselves.

Thanks for this bro. Let me digest this, I will get back to you lol. Seems more of Ikupakuti like scholars abound now in the forum. Nice to read all this pieces.

With regards to Isra and Miraj of holy Prophet(saw) can you give us more proof to support your position?

Hkana:
Movado19, are you related to Ikupakuti?

Ah no, at all oh!
I believe we are still using torchlight to look for Ikupakuti .
Hopefully, he will resurface soon and bless us with his presence once again InshaAllah.

LadunaI:

Thanks for this illustration. Now tell me, some body who has not recognize himself, how is going to relate with all this experience/phenomenon? But like the ayah you cited whosoever works in that direction sincerely the divine MERCY would always guide them towards HIM.

Hmm! A very heavy question. A lot of people come to this earth and leave without self-realization or recognition due to getting distracted by side attractions of life. This is the main reason for failure.
May Allah forgive us all our shortcomings and grace us with our reason for being and achieve our assignments/goals in life before departure, Amin.

Empiree:
I have long suspected faah. I am only convinced it isn't him when I realised he sent me email when ikupakuti was around. I believed I asked him that time actually when I noticed the same traits but unfortunately he read pass my question without giving answer. Legs crossed

My Shaikh, please help me uncross your legs.
I didn't even realize you asked me a question some time ago and I waka pass!
Please forgive my lapse

Alhajiemeritus:
The teleportation part is a very sensitive subject....
I believe there is an element of what these guys call astral travel in Sufism?


The journey of the prophet to heaven (All Isra wa Miraj)...
I've always wondered if there is an element bof astral travel in this too....

It's a very sensitive subject to touch, because many people come with daggers and swords (literarily) when we discuss this subject.

They need to sheath their swords, wallah!
What is there to fight over when it is there in the Quran koro koro for all to see?!
Something that the West is heavily into and are looking for means to weaponize it. They believe it and we who were given it in a book are still in dispute.

movado19:


My Shaikh, please help me uncross your legs.
I didn't even realize you asked me a question some time ago and I waka pass!
Please forgive my lapse

lol... Your silence convinced me you were ikupakuti until I realized you weren't

Empiree:
lol... Your silence convinced me you were ikupakuti until I realized you weren't

Wallah, I didn't even realize that you asked me a question, hence my seeming silence.
No, I am not Ikupakuti.

movado19:


Wallah, I didn't even realize that you asked me a question, hence my seeming silence.
No, I am not Ikupakuti.

Bcus you pretty much sounds relatively like him. You were already on this platform when ikupakuti was around right?. I remember you sent me email around that time. After he disappears and you became active, i was like this is re-incarnation of kuti. You sound so much like him. That's why i asked that question. You can see Hkana thinks you sound like him. This is somethign i knew long ago. You later kinda said privately in email you sent me that you arent him. Honestly, i sometimes doubt bcus your approach is the same

Empiree:
Bcus you pretty much sounds relatively like him. You were already on this platform when ikupakuti was around right?. I remember you sent me email around that time. After he disappears and you became active, i was like this is re-incarnation of kuti. You sound so much like him. That's why i asked that question. You can see Hkana thinks you sound like him. This is somethign i knew long ago. You later kinda said privately in email you sent me that you arent him. Honestly, i sometimes doubt bcus your approach is the same

You were already on this platform when ikupakuti was around right?.
Na'am, I was.

After he disappears and you became active, i was like this is re-incarnation of kuti. You sound so much like him. That's why I asked that question.
. By Allah, I don't know him one on one and will not be able to point him out in a group of even two or three people.

You can see Hkana thinks you sound like him. This is somethign i knew long ago. You later kinda said privately in email you sent me that you arent him. Honestly, i sometimes doubt bcus your approach is the same.
I am truly not he. I greatly admire him for his tremendous gift of knowledge and gnosis. May Allah bring him back here, Amin.

LadunaI:


Thanks for this bro. Let me digest this, I will get back to you lol. Seems more of Ikupakuti like scholars abound now in the forum. Nice to read all this pieces.

With regards to Isra and Miraj of holy Prophet(saw) can you give us more proof to support your position?

The journey of the prophet it beats any science even if science tries to pick up in it it's only a little fraction just like almighty Allah said no one can grasp his knowledge unless what he makes you know from within.

The concept most of which people doubt from the start was the way he beat space and time
And again how he went up the heavens.

His ascension is a mystery

But my own little cent about it is what I have given before of knowledge I know not much about it's spiritual backup physically.

But I can chip this too sha hope an not derailing.

Even when Angel Jibreel was knocking he wasn't really the one knocking it was the stars that were knocking and informing the angles of who were going troughaccessing their portal
[Quran 86.1-3] And the heaven and the "Knocker" (Tarek in Arabic ﻃﺎﺭﻕ ) How could you know about the "Knocker"? The piercing star (Thakeb in Arabic).

But this knocking star is the one who makes a hole i.e the worm hole

"Thakeb" means the one who makes the hole.

If the hole is open then the Jins do listen to waves and decode them and pass to their associates adding more lies.

The star is what the Jins go to the heavens to listen to, to decode the waves.

It goes like this the heavens and his bodies talk but our hears can't hear them.

[ Quran 41 : 11 ]Then He settled to the heaven , while it was still smoke , and He said to it , and to the earth : Come willingly or unwillingly. They said : We come willingly

The Jins sit and wait for a black hole to knock and open and listen to conversations sometimes they wait years, other times minutes that was when they was permission

[ Quran 72:9. ]And we used to sit there in stations to eavesdrop, but any who intends to eavesdrop now will find a shooting star watching him in ambush.

The shooting star is a protector below the first heaven but it's not the only star present there the Jins follow other stars too but as soon as a black hole is open the shooting star shoots them so as not to gather info.

[Quran 41.12] So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

"We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps and We have made them [these lamps] a means of bombardment on the devils." [Quran 67:05]

The Jins are different then before the prophet it was permissible to listen and then now it's not but they still do but the devil's I think are the ones who are destroyed.

[Quran 62:11.] 'And there are amongst us some that are righteous and some impious; we are groups having different ways.

But I think others still go there to hear about their affairs and that of man without compromise.

[Quran 62:10. ] '[Having said that] we know not whether evil is intended for the inhabitants of the earth or whether their Lord wills to Guide them.

That's because men then started associating and seeking more of assistance from the Jin and thus would make peoples heart more to the Jin than the message of the prophet so they were blocked

[Quran 62:6.] 'And there were men amongst mankind who took shelter with the males amongst the jinn, but they increased them in their error and disobedience.


But in all the star is a major part of every realm and spirituality, it's a powerful creation of Allah almighty Allah even swore by it in it contains time and space, even the sailors then use it to find their way it's like a map and solves coordinates too.
That's why it's like the key to the universe anyone who masters the study of the stars is a king in his own lane it shows the past the present and the future with reference to it's birth and death and linking the tablets to it.

Any astronomer with the full knowledge of this would be very good in science and spiritual matters.

To chip in outside the topic sorry for the digress

on a follow up on the above.

Almighty Allah don't talk to man as well as angels directly even Jibreel.

[Quran 42:51:] “And it is not for any mortal that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a veil, or by sending a messenger and revealing by His permission what He pleases; surely He is High, Wise.”

The angels are mortals they would die one day too even angel Jibreel.

Almighty Allah created the Angels originally from light. They move at any speed from zero up to the speed of light. It is the angels who carry out God's orders. Those angels take their orders from a Preserved Tablet somewhere in outer space, and not from God's Throne. They commute to and from this Preserved Tablet to get their orders from God.

These tablets are seen by the inhabitants of the heavens and they discuss this is where your angel of rizk go too to check and all hope you get so as they are discussing and a worm hole opens not necessarily the angels the inhabitants can be gisting about what they saw and all then the Jin picks up one or two waves and decode.


[Quran 32.5] (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

Even Angel Jibreel too with so much power and wings his station and sending his messages travel the above distance to reach almighty Allah but he already knows he's the one most Knowing


Please any mistakes are mine and am not perfect it's what's in me I share and might be wrong but am open to learning and corrections.

Sorry for the poor way it's all constructed and out of context/text but makes sense with all what we've been saying.

^^^

They [science] tried to meet the challenge. A woman made a video explaining "scientific method" how Nabi Muhammad (saw) ascended. It is on YouTube. She described it as "lighting".

What's more interesting is Sheikh Aboto's explanation. He explained how nabi beat space and time. That the whole process and time spent with Allah was equivalent to a blink of an eye. Or a moment btw standing up from couch and before the warm spot cools off.

This Isra and miraj is really kind of precedent for teleporting of Awliyah

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Honestly, it's like this tread is created for me. Ive been longing to understand some concept which are beyond my reasoning capacity, but it's like this tread is the answer. Honestly Sufism. Is the sweetest thing that can ever happen to someone but people like me doesn't proclaim it in public coz of some peoples dirty mind towards it as they see themselves as d most holy in this world which they lack the knowledge. I love this thread honestly

A game of numbers and stars
Life!

Bakar1:


Astral travel as I have come to know is more of a dream state like, you on your bed sleeping semi I. that realm your Ruh leaves your body you could see your physical body in the astral travel you create your destinations at tines, you could be in a huge castle and all but all is in your imagination not real.

But the prophet's journey was real he ascended body and soul.

Leaving or entering a realm has to do with stars, our galaxies is filled with stars when a star dies it becomes a blackhole trough which it's used as a gateway for entering or leaving a realm even the angels use this it's like a portal once you enter you move.
A wormhole acts as a shortcut connecting two distant regions in the universe.
God gave this method of transportation to his angels throughout the universe. The Quran calls them 'Ma'arej' and describes how angels use them for long distance travel. Today Moslems know that these 'Ma'arej' is what scientists call wormholes.

Energy isn't needed to navigate there it's Asif you enter a place and voom with the speed of light you are at the other end of a plane gravity does his work here

With this work being done little energy being exacted gravity takes away the concept of space time here little time would cover grate distance like say the travel could be done in like 800,000 years our time but there and then in a jiffy exacting little energy but for us we would use all our energy to meet the 800,000 years timeframe because of
1. Gravity not on our side
2. Our configuration not balanced
And all.

[Quran 70.3-4] (a penalty) from Allah (who owns) wormholes [Ma'arej in Arabic] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

The worm holes are like doors in the heavens that links to other heavens/dimension, in those dimension or space they are beauty to behold, very beautiful scenery.

Take an example seeing different stars with different colours changing at spontaneous time with so many side attractions.

Almighty Allah Said
[Quran 15.13-17] They do not believe the Message, like those who preceded them; Even if We [Allah] opened upon them from the heaven a door and they continued passing through it they would say 'Our sight is intoxicated, rather we have been bewitched'. It is We [Allah] who have made towering structures in the heavens and made them beautiful for beholders. And We protected them from every evil spirit accursed.

Even the angels and high spirits are beauty different colour of auras and gems emitting from where they are and themselves.

Interesting expository

Empiree:
This is why I said earlier that Mr. Green existed in spiritual realm 'programmed' by Allah. And the reason I asked why is Khidr(as) not mentioned along with "25 prophets" is bcus these 25 prophets mentioned in the Quran and those other thousands of prophets not mentioned in the Quran were sent to people whether with kitab or not. But Khidr(as) had no record of community he was sent to. Matter of fact, me and albaqir once discussed this issue fairly before when khidr killed a boy. We argued that Khidr was not subjected to sharia of nabi Musa(as). Otherwise, he would have been guilty of murder. Shari'a of Musa haram murder. Why didnt Musa(as) punish him for killing the boy?. This is why I believe that Khidr was not a prophet but a being "programmed" by Allah to teach Musa ilm batin.

The word "servant" used in surah Kahf appears to be generic not specifically
prophethood sense as far as I am concerned. Even 'servant' was used for mushrikun and believers as well in the Quran.

First, I think tafsir based on Ir'fani (mysticism) explanation about the meeting of Hadrat Khidr and Nabi Musa make lot of sense than regular tafsir with so many curry-flavored excuses to justify what Hadrat Khidr did.

Ir'fani explanation is that Khidr simply took Nabi Musa on a spiritual journey to see more about spirituality. None of the happening took place in alam tabi'at (natural world): the fact that Khidr has nothing to do with this realm of ours. It perhaps tell the reason why Yusha ibn Nuh (Musa's companion and eventual successor) was left behind on that spiritual journey.

Second, the verse:

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 65:

Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves."

The word "servant" used in the verse is not of regular meaning used for every sundry. Apparently we are all "servants of God". But this is different Just like "friend of God" used for Ibrahim. All these title are special stations (darajat) reserved for deserved individuals. And they are stations far above nubuwat (messenger-hood) and risalat (prophethood). And there other exceeding stations also.

AlBaqir:




First, I think tafsir based on Ir'fani (mysticism) explanation about the meeting of Hadrat Khidr and Nabi Musa make lot of sense than regular tafsir with so many curry-flavored excuses to justify what Hadrat Khidr did.

Ir'fani explanation is that Khidr simply took Nabi Musa on a spiritual journey to see more about spirituality. None of the happening took place in alam tabi'at (natural world): the fact that Khidr has nothing to do with this realm of ours. It perhaps tell the reason why Yusha ibn Nuh (Musa's companion and eventual successor) was left behind on that spiritual journey.

Second, the verse:

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 65:

Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves."

The word "servant" used in the verse is not of regular meaning used for every sundry. Apparently we are all "servants of God". But this is different Just like "friend of God" used for Ibrahim. All these title are special stations (darajat) reserved for deserved individuals. And they are stations far above nubuwat (messenger-hood) and risalat (prophethood). And there other exceeding stations also.

I agree with you. It is still in line with my position. Sometimes we just hold back some things. I was gonna say the killing of the boy etc were not real. Otherwise Khidr would have been guilty under Sharia