TheGoodJoe:


Zinchenko was on the bench of City for a while but at the moment his understanding of the system of Pep is very high. He is what I will tag a tactical genius and now, Pep can hardly do without him.

If Zinchenko was killing himself for playing time, he might have left City and missed the opportunity of this growth that has made him a gem for club and Country.

Nacho should master the tactics, then give playing time a big shot. I wonder how amounts to rotting on the bench.

TheSuperNerd:

You were hypocritical and that is the truth. Being evasive with much talk doesn't change it mister. Bye bye.

Earthquake3:


Iheanacho is not that young and he's on the bench with Rodgers who could not use Borini, Aspas and Luis Alberto at Liverpool

TheGoodJoe:


I have said this repeatedly but you guys continue to drown in hilarious misconception.

Iheanacho must not grow under Guardiola but I believe his methods are a perfect fit for Nacho. It I not just about Nacho but my idea of player development.

A precise example is John Stones. He is now one of my best defenders in the game, even when City is having a bad game. The Monaco loss is a good example.

The open style and high defense line made Stones more mobile. He is more confident on the ball and expresses himself more with the ball.

There are few clubs in the game that play with more bravery than City.

I like Sanchez for his work rate, dropping deep to build plays, mobility, high press, tracking back. The formula Guardiola plays and trains his players demands this from his front line. This in turn makes players strive for the kind of vigor Sanchez shows.

It is not easy to find a club that can keep Iheanacho on his toes working hard through the clubs training and playing formula. If he leaves, it is up to him to work hard to maintain the discipline.

That is why I want him to work under this condition for one more season.

TheGoodJoe:


My comment April 17, 2017. It is not about use but mastering the system first. Let Nacho train one more year, gain the knowledge and then fight for playing time. He should know that if he masters it, he will excel beyond measures.

timay:


Which kind mumu growth is that. Zinchenko was a winger/Attacking Midfielder. He was practically useless for city in that position. It was when Fabian Delph got injured that made Pep to draft him to the position because he's a natural left footer. It has nothing to do with tactical genius. It happened to Ashley young at Man utd. The guy was becoming useless, because he couldn't bench the wingers we have any longer. He became useful in the club again after being drafted to a full back position, else he won't have stayed this long in Man utd. Point is that, if Nacho doesn't make himself useful at Leicester, he will just run out his contract and they'll let him go, or sell him when an offer comes. But this coming season will be what will decide that

TheGoodJoe:


My comment April 17, 2017. It is not about use but mastering the system first. Let Nacho train one more year, gain the knowledge and then fight for playing time. He should know that if he masters it, he will excel beyond measures.

TheGoodJoe:


Remember, there was Mendy, before Delph and then Zinchenko. Now in some games, Guardiola prefers to even start Zinchenko when Mendy and Delph are fit. That shows a lot how the young man has grown.

In Ukraine, Zinchenko who you pointed above, was a winger plays as a Defensive midfielder. This is due to the young man's insane brilliance in understanding tactical play and movement.

If you like, call it Mumu growth.

timay:


John stones has always been a very Solid Midfielder before Man City bought him, that is why Man City had to spend over 50M to get him, I'm not sure it has anything to do with pep impact.

Pep is a good coach but don't make it look as if the guys playing under him we're average or amateur players before they played for him. A lot of them were big money signing, that should tell you something

timay:


Zinchenko just did what most hungry young players will do to impress, he took his chance well when the opportunity came.

if you say pep developed him, he shouldn't be playing as a defender, but he should have improved his Midfield prowess Zinchenko came into the mix simply because of the unavailability of those two guys you mentioned in that position. He was a logical choice to play that position when Mendy and Delph were not available. It's just the same way you move a Defensive Midfielder to a Center Back position when most of your available defenders are injured.

Rashford came into limelight in 2016 when Man utd had most of their wingers injured, and Luis Van gaal had no choice but to bring an academy player to fill in the position, Rashford grabbed the opportunity, and the rest is history.

Danielnino00:


Last time I checked he ran for us at the last Africa athletic championship... Since he moved to the US he has really improved.. that's proof that we have talents scattered across the country but lack the infrastructure and technical know how to harness them...
For now, he is still with us.. Might even run for us at the all Africa games... But given the fact that athletes can switch nationality anytime, I'm not sure how long we will hold him...
One of those talentles, money spinning Arab country may soon come for him...

TheGoodJoe:


It is not about average amateurs but the players improving at an impressive rate.

TheSuperNerd:
Then the discussion is in error. Try post another derailing topic and see if it won't be deleted. I am a custodian here and This place is strictly Nigeria players and Super Eagles okay.

Even when we discuss non-Nigerian football related topics, we do it here with an understanding and not with this silly arrogance you are displaying as if it is your right to spill whatever, whenever you feel like. Well, I am back... And such nonsense will be moderated.

Humility017:


this is the only thing ROHR is good at....
he is good in recruiting these foreign born players.....but he can't use and maximize their potentials.
we can't trust an indigenous coaches with getting this talents to play for us...
they will first go after and recruit the home based lads all because of the cuts they will get from their signings abroad....
corruption just the bane of our football

ROHR is really agbaya..

ChrisKels:


Finally we have a worthy MOD here. Please endeavour to cut short every nonsensical argument not related to the purpose of this thread, especially, those from goodjoe on Pep, those annoying YouTube videos and quotes he uses to derail this thread, and plz give gustav25, Afobear and his goons live bans from this thread, not nairaland as a whole oo. Errrm I dont know what to say about sir forgiveness, but anytime way Andrew444 call person mama or Papa here, knack am better ban


Finally, if those names on Semid's list fail to improve, try to dey give dem some small-small warning bans of say 2-4days, from time to time

And to urself, anytime wey u use medical terms in here, ban urself. If I see any pia matter, lobotomy, cortices, grey matter, amnesia etc without u banning urself, I go show u pepper

ChrisKels:


Finally we have a worthy MOD here. Please endeavour to cut short every nonsensical argument not related to the purpose of this thread, especially, those from goodjoe on Pep, those annoying YouTube videos and quotes he uses to derail this thread, and plz give gustav25, Afobear and his goons live bans from this thread, not nairaland as a whole oo. Errrm I dont know what to say about sir forgiveness, but anytime way Andrew444 call person mama or Papa here, knack am better ban


Finally, if those names on Semid's list fail to improve, try to dey give dem some small-small warning bans of say 2-4days, from time to time

And to urself, anytime wey u use medical terms in here, ban urself. If I see any pia matter, lobotomy, cortices, grey matter, amnesia etc without u banning urself, I go show u pepper

wayodude:


Surely playing alongside other world-class talent makes you improve it at least appear to. No?

This Guardiola improves players thing makes me laugh.

klexycole:


That's why the real analysts here have backed off. Where's Kog45, Icon4s, and a few other REAL pundits? They are just observing, so many unnecessary lamentations in here.

timay:


That is how they do, they make Guardiola look like a super human that develops every one.

The man is a good coach no doubt, but attributing every player's development to him is now getting boring. The likes of Aguero, David Silva Fenandinho et al are already world class players, any good coach would have worked with them successfully. Instead of people to acknowledge the fact that these guys are potential league conquerers even before pep, they just find a way to make it look as if, it's pep that made them who they are�

andrew444:

Smiles
I don cool down
And you make dem no ban you self abi ?

timay:


Zinchenko just did what most hungry young players will do to impress, he took his chance well when the opportunity came.

if you say pep developed him, he shouldn't be playing as a defender, but he should have improved his Midfield prowess Zinchenko came into the mix simply because of the unavailability of those two guys you mentioned in that position. He was a logical choice to play that position when Mendy and Delph were not available. It's just the same way you move a Defensive Midfielder to a Center Back position when most of your available defenders are injured.

Rashford came into limelight in 2016 when Man utd had most of their wingers injured, and Luis Van gaal had no choice but to bring an academy player to fill in the position, Rashford grabbed the opportunity, and the rest is history.

ChrisKels:


Good, u are coming of age

No! I am Chriskels, I am above the laws, no one bans me

timay:


John stones has always been a very Solid Midfielder before Man City bought him, that is why Man City had to spend over 50M to get him, I'm not sure it has anything to do with pep impact.

Pep is a good coach but don't make it look as if the guys playing under him we're average or amateur players before they played for him. A lot of them were big money signing, that should tell you something

timay:


That is how they do, they make Guardiola look like a super human that develops every one.

The man is a good coach no doubt, but attributing every player's development to him is now getting boring. The likes of Aguero, David Silva Fenandinho et al are already world class players, any good coach would have worked with them successfully. Instead of people to acknowledge the fact that these guys are potential league conquerers even before pep, they just find a way to make it look as if, it's pep that made them who they are�

andrew444:


How many young player have done what zinchenko is doing ?

Zinchenko is not highly rated or overhyped like those English kids this was a player that was bought from a unknown Russian club and he is already doing well at mancity at left back which is not his main position

Rashford grabbed the opportunity and he has. Even doing well

How many English overhyped kid can even do well to get recognized at city ?

timay:


With the kind of Midfield and foward line that Man City has for now, it will be difficult for anyone to break into the mix, whether English or no English, hyped or not. Except your are exceptionally good. A team that someone like Gabriel Jesus starts from the bench, even Leroy sane last season.

Even your beloved Zinchenko knows he stood no chance with that Midfield, that is why he had to grab the full back position with both hands when the opportunity came.

So calm down.

andrew444:


Pep made many players who they are ,but those names you mentioned are already world class for long ,Fernandinho was even world class at shaktar

The players pep improved are many ooo ,if I start the list go Long

Before pep guardiola hope you know sterling was an headless chicken ?

Make I stop here first

wayodude:



Oh was he? A 57 MILLION POUND, Full England international headless chicken abi?

darkelf:


What I mean is; If we were to research cases where the eventual champions of AFCON had a poor start and compare to cases where the champion actually started well, I'm sure that the later would far outnumber the former. That's all I'm saying in essence

andrew444:


Smiles

Coming of age ? Hmmm

Says by a 26 years old kid who is my younger brother

ChrisKels:


That was a figurative statement, doesn't necessarily translate to numbers as u understood it. U only got it literally.

Danielnino00:


What if I told u that this USA women team once lost to Dallas FC u-15 boys team in a friendly?
what if I told u that the super falcons lost to a non league u-16 boys team during their pre AWCON game?

Men and women don't have the same body structure or composure as far as sport is concerned.
It's like saying Elaine Thompson will beat our own Divine Oburududu in a 100m race because she is a world champion and Divine isn't

darkelf:


These are my predictions:

Morocco to win by a lone goal

Senegal wins 2:1

[/b]Cameroon Wins by a lone goal or on penalties[b].

Egypt to Knack them by 3 goals

Madagascar wins 2:1

Algeria to rape them.

Ivory coast defeats Mali in a tight encounter

Ghana triumphs comfortably by at least 2 goals