OkCornel:


So Jesus instructed his followers can go ahead to HATE their brothers, sisters, husbands and wives if they are enemies... Muttley, please bring the scriptural reference where Jesus instructed such...


Wow... Hatred for one's enemies/evil doers must really be a fruit of the Spirit as well...

Stephen must have also hated those that stoned him to death...

Perhaps Jesus hated and cursed those that crucified Him since they're workers of iniquity too...

Word!!!

alBHAGDADI:

Blind bats are getting the words of Jesus wrong. Love your enemies doesn't equate to love everybody in the world. Abi una no go school?

Jesus only said we should love our enemies and he gave example of who they are and how we should love them. He stated that they are those who do bad against us and spitefully use us. He said we shouldn't retaliate but do good to them instead. He's talking about our personal enemies.

An example is that colleague at work who loves to tarnish our image before the bosses. He loves to take credit for our effort and is even working towards ensuring we get sacked. How are we to treat that colleague? We show him love by not retaliating when we have the chance. If we see that he's unable to fulfill a task at work because it's overwhelming, we should help him. This can make him have a change of heart, because an enemy can later become a friend.

But how is a child molester my enemy that some ignorant fools are telling me not to hate but love? He didn't molest me as a child neither did he molest my child. So basically, he's not my personal enemy because he didn't do any wrong to me personally.

But I'm to hate him for what he does to children, destroying their lives, because he's evil. You can't claim to love children yet love child molester. To love him is to keep quiet about his evil.

You can keep quiet about the bad your colleague at work does to you and not report him to the bosses, but you can't do the same for a child molester. If he's not reported because of the misunderstood phrase 'love tour enemies'', then he'll continue to destroy other children.

Oh "love the sinner but hate the sin". To love the sinning child molester is to keep him safe from authorities who want to lock him up. No, he should be locked up forever for his crimes of being a pedophile. To hate the sin is to frown at it but smile at the sinner as he moves on to his next victim. Sadly, the next victim might be your child who might die in the process. Maybe by then you would throw away the veil of political correctness and call for his head.

Love your enemy and neighbor doesn't mean love everybody in the world. If it were so, the below passage which teaches love for neighbor won't also teach contemn (hate) for a vile person.

Psalm 15 (KJV)
15 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.

The passage is saying that before you can make heaven, you have to love your neighbor and Hate a vile person.

To those fools saying we as Christians are to love everybody, how come the Bible requires we hate a vile person? Shouldn't that tell you that loving everybody is never a commandment of the Bible but of the satanic world who don't really love everybody? What they are basically doing is programming you to love what they tell you to love and hate what they tell you to hate.

They tell you not to hate homosexuals because hate is bad. But the moment you express hate for homosexuals, you will see the look on their face and how it will be filled with hate such that they will almost swallow you alive. Yet they preach against hate

Some questions for you sir.. Those whom you just mentioned that you ought to hate, how do you treat them afterwards.. I mean what's your relationship with them like?

Just listen to yourself, a supposed Christian calling another a fool and using other unedifying words even after Jesus pointed out in Matthew 5:22 - "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire." You are so full of yourself, no sense of gentleness at all especially to those who don't hold the same point of view as yours

FOLYKAZE:


Oohhh thanks, I forgot to add that too. Jesus instructed his disciples to hate oneself. That is the worst form of hatred.

You probably don't see how demonic it is to hate oneself, probably you don't understand it wholly, you would have seen how pathetic it is and hide your face in shame instead of putting it out to me.

Hating oneself, hating yourself or myself simply implies self-hatred. Self hatred, also know as self loathing is an extreme hated of oneself, which can be linked to guilt of one action that are viewed as wrong. People who hate themselves are found to have very low self esteem.

How do we define self? Before you missed the point, self isn't just person, it is defined by a lot of factors which are; history, cultural identity, cultural values, race, and lot more. Therefore, it is important to note that hating one history, one cultural values, skin color, race, cultural identifies imply that one hate himself or herself.

So manu Christians are guilty of hating themselves. It starts by disregarding your history, and subscribing to other people history. As a Yoruba person, your history traces back to Sango, Obatala, Oduduwa, Orunmila and many Yoruba ancestors. This historical linkage give person that Yoruba identity. However, many of you Christians disregard your ancestral histories and cling unto ancestral of David, Jesse, Jacob and Abraham. You loathe, dislike and hate your own history, that is self hating.

Your cultural identity appears in your name. People who bear Soyinka, Oguntade, Sangonise, Esudara, etc abort there cultural identity and wear onto themselves slavish names like Isaiah, Abn Saidi, Yakubu, Samuel, Sixtus, Benjamin, etc. The names have no cultural relationship with your background. They are nee tags worn after you disregard your much hated cultural identity. Abi wetin be the meaning of Ibrahim in Yoruba? Or Isaiah in Igbo? Only those who hate themselves abandon their cultural identity to foreign ones.

Haring oneself goes along with inferiority complexity of racial group. Only in Africa Christians trace themselves to Abraham. Only in Africa, Christians affiliate themselves with Cain, Esau and Ham, taking upon themselves curses that are on the head of these people. Only in Africa Christians admit blacks are cursed. Only in Nigeria Igbo Christians abolish their ancestral background and subscribe to Jewish ancestry even when they don't have relationship with Israel.

Someone that hates himself, hating of oneself is equals to distasteful attitude toward one identity, values and history.

Jesus asked you to

You're getting it all wrong sir.. Always taking Scriptural passages out of context And for the records, I'm a Christian, a Nigerian, and I don't link my ancestral history to David's because I'm not an Israelite talk more of David's descendant.. I haven't even seen any Christian who claims such (I don't personally know anyone from Israel). If you know any who is claiming such, why not let us know? Again, I don't have low self esteem and inferiority complex, so why would you ascribe such words to all Christians??

For those who care to know, in the Bible, Jesus often spoke in parables.. He explained these parables to His disciples and people who cared to know. There were some parables Jesus spoke that even His disciples didn't understand, they asked Jesus and He explained the parables to them But for some others who don't believe in Him, who never cared to know, they were left in the dark and may have ended up using logic/reasoning to unravel the truth behind the parables..

You can never decipher Jesus' parables with common sense/logic/human reasoning, you'll only end up in confusion. It is only the Holy Spirit that can give us understanding into everything that has to do with the Word of God and the Ways of God.

My dear FolyK, stop using human reasoning alone to decipher the Word of God.. Ask for the wisdom of God which is pure and full of good fruits.. "Ask and keep asking, and it shall be given unto you..." Matthew 7:7

Thank you

OkCornel:
I am just amazed how someone can be so bereft of understanding to keep on quoting the Old Testament to justify hatred for certain people.

It is very clear Jesus addressed the issue of hating one's enemies in this verse;

Matthew 5:43 - "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'. (AS PRACTICED IN THE OLD COVENANT)


Now Jesus replaced that with a new instruction in Matthew 5 v 44 -


Matthew 5:44 - But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. (JESUS' COMMANDMENT TO HIS FOLLOWERS!)



Jesus hates sin and evil, and expects same from His followers...

But never did He instruct believers should go ahead to hate people for the evil they do!

Thank you for pointing that out sir. There's so much heresy today.. But thank God for His Spirit who helps us discern from wrong and right.. Albaghdadi keep bringing Psalm 15 as his case study.. And just a word from Jesus here is clear enough on the issue of love and hate

Double post...

Makschinchin:


Thank you for pointing that out sir. There's so much heresy today.. But thank God for His Spirit who helps us discern from wrong and right.. Albaghdadi keep bringing Psalm 15 as his case study.. And just a word from Jesus here is clear enough on the issue of love and hate

The funny thing about alBHAGDADI's last post on this thread is that he thinks hiding the sins of an evil doer means having love for such a person...


When he brought up the example of not reporting a paedophile to the authorities for defiling a child as an act of love towards the Paedophile... I couldn't help but laugh...

alBHAGDADI:


Have you met him before? Have you seen him before? Then what's the personal relationship you share other than you following what he tells you as seen in the scriptures?

When you people don't want to obey his words in the scriptures, that's when you come up with the silly excuse of personal relationship saying "leave me alone with how me and my God are handling our issue". Look, don't be fooled. If you are not obeying his words in the scriptures, then whatever personal relationship you claim to have with him is just deceit from you. He has given you orders in the scriptures, follow them and stop creating your own phantom ideology of a relationship.

I guess I'll have to stop responding to your mentions because you keep going round a circle..

God had personal relationship with a lot of people from the Bible: Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Peter, Paul, John, and a host of others. You can read about them to know more.. It's fallacy to say God can be known only through the Scriptures. You aren't having such relationship with Him because you don't believe you or anyone can, and I can guess you've not really given your whole life to Christ judging from the way you sound/behave on this forum.

You have a long way to go sir.. I stopped taking you serious after you affirmed that anyone who is once saved, even if he goes back to sin and dies a sinner will still make Heaven. No wonder you keep using harsh words on people who don't share the same view with you.. Perhaps, you are certain you'll make Heaven even with this kind of lifestyle that's why you keep taking on anyone that gets in your way. Don't be deceived bro.

A word for you from 2Tim. 2:19 - Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

FOLYKAZE:


The same Jesus commanded you guys to HATE your parents, wife, children, siblings and yourself before you can qualify as his disciple.

Why would anyone propagate hatred either to oneself or to one relative all in the name of serving God of Israel?

You quoted Luke 14:26 to back up this claim of yours. You should have continued down to verse 33 to get better knowledge of what Jesus is saying.. But you chose to pick up just one verse and take the true meaning out of it like you always do..

Let's see what Luke 14:26-33 says;

Luke.14.26 - "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
Luke.14.27 - And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
Luke.14.28 - For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it--
Luke.14.29 - lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
Luke.14.30 - saying, "This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
Luke.14.31 - Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
Luke.14.32 - Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.
Luke.14.33 - So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.


Before we continue, don't forget what God said in Exod.20.12 - "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.

So, how can you possibly claim Jesus meant "outright hatred for one's family and oneself" in Luke 14:26, even after verses 27-33 explains it further??

If you must follow Christ you must give him your all.. You can't allow your mother, father, wife, husband, siblings and even your own self to hold you back..
(Jesus said in Matt.18.8 - "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire." ) You shouldn't allow anything or anyone come between you and Jesus.

When Jesus first called James and John the sons of Zebedee, they were in a boat with their father, but at the call of Jesus, they left their father and followed Jesus. That doesn't mean they outrightly hated their dad afterwards in terms of not having anything to do with him anymore, no, but they had to answer their divine calling from that moment in order to fulfil their purpose on earth. Same James and John came with their mother at a particular time, to request a favour from Jesus. Since you said Jesus teaches hate, James and John should never have had anything to do with their mother anymore, neither would Jesus have bothered to heal Simon Peter's wife's mother.

Again let me show you from Mark 7, how Jesus was even displeased with the Scribes and Pharisees for teaching their children to disregard God's commandment to honor their father and mother:

Mark.7.9 - He (Jesus) said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.
Mark.7.10 - For Moses said, "Honor your father and your mother'; and, "He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
Mark.7.11 - But you (Pharisees and Scribes) say, "If a man says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban"--' (that is, a gift to God),
Mark.7.12 - then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother,
Mark.7.13 - making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."


So my dear, you can't possibly say Jesus meant "hatred" like you're painting it to look.

Thank you.

Makschinchin:


Some questions for you sir.. Those whom you just mentioned that you ought to hate, how do you treat them afterwards.. I mean what's your relationship with them like?

Just listen to yourself, a supposed Christian calling another a fool and using other unedifying words even after Jesus pointed out in Matthew 5:22 - "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire." You are so full of yourself, no sense of gentleness at all especially to those who don't hold the same point of view as yours

You have nothing to do with them for they are perpetually evil.

You are calling me a supposed Christian for pointing out the obvious about people? I guess to you Jesus was a supposed Christ for calling the pharisees names.

Mathew 23:15-17
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?


John the Baptist was a supposed prophet for calling the Pharisees vipers.

Matthew 3:7
“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

Paul was a supposed apostle for calling the Galatians fools.

Galatians 3 (KJV)
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

You can never get gentleness from me as long as you hold a false way, just as Jesus was never gentle with the Pharisees who held false believes.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Makschinchin:


I guess I'll have to stop responding to your mentions because you keep going round a circle..

God had personal relationship with a lot of people from the Bible: Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Peter, Paul, John, and a host of others. You can read about them to know more.. It's fallacy to say God can be known only through the Scriptures. You aren't having such relationship with Him because you don't believe you or anyone can, and I can guess you've not really given your whole life to Christ judging from the way you sound/behave on this forum.

You have a long way to go sir.. I stopped taking you serious after you affirmed that anyone who is once saved, even if he goes back to sin and dies a sinner will still make Heaven. No wonder you keep using harsh words on people who don't share the same view with you.. Perhaps, you are certain you'll make Heaven even with this kind of lifestyle that's why you keep taking on anyone that gets in your way. Don't be deceived bro.

A word for you from 2Tim. 2:19 - Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

The so-called personal relationships you mentioned, where did any of the men act however they like? Was it not God always dictating and ordering them like a boss? That's why he always said "I am the Lord".

I should be the one who should stop paying you elany attention because you don't believe you are saved. It simply means you are not saved and not a child of God, so you can't understand the Bible.

Makschinchin:




You may ask why I'm laughing... I'm laughing at the way you carefully took those Scriptural passages out of context, even if something tells me you know better.. Anyways, let us discuss what you mentioned one at a time with the help of the Holy Spirit whom I've called to help me on this:

Ok

Makschinchin:
Sure, the Bible pointed out that Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. But if you go back to the Scriptures, you'll notice that He fulfilled that mission of His here on earth and He even went to countries outside Israel to preach the gospel on many occasion. I've already told you that Jesus didn't forbid His disciples from preaching the Gospel to non-Jews (I've answered this question already). My dear, don't run away from Jesus, the Gospel is for you and I

This is you, my dear Sir, admitting with my line of argument and Bible that Jesus was sent purposely to the lost sheep in the house of Israel. The mission was Jew, not the entire world. I see no reason why you want to slug it out with me after you have accepted the aim/purpose of Jesus, according to the bible, is to preach the gospel to lost sheep of Israel, and not Lion of Assyria.

Another thing I noticed, it is your poor understanding of what made up the kingdom of Israel before it was destroyed about 720BC by the Assyria. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon gave Israel the final blow that saw them scattered worldwide. Read Jer 50:17

Before that, I want you to note that Israel descended from Jacob. He had 12 sons, who multiplied and formed the kingdom of Israel. So, there were twelve land/city that made up Israel. Levi according to the bible do not have territorial allotment (Joshua 13:14, 14:3). While the people/descent of Joseph had two territorial allotments, Ephraim and Manassah (Joshua 14:4). Therefore, in total, there were twelve cities that made up the Kingdom of Israel.

Now, when Babylon struck, only two lands remained as the remaining lands were deserted, occupants fled and scattered around the world. The two lands were Judah and Ephraim.

I also want you to understand that Isreal (the whole kingdom) is known or been referred to as sheep. (Jer 50:17, Psalm 78:71).

Therefore, Jesus is saying in Matthew 15:24 that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This implies, in simple term, that he was sent ONLY to the ten lost tribe of the house of Israel. That is, the 10 tribes of Israel that scattered all over the world seeking solace there when Babylon struck.

Ezekiel 34:5 explained they were scattered because they had no shepherd. This is what Jesus was talking about in the parable of John 10:16 that there are other fold of sheep, which he sent to bring back as a fold and a shepherd. Jesus specifically mentioned that he is a shepherd sent by God. And the bible, made us understand that Israel is sheep. So, in the of the lost sheep, the shepherd was out looking for his missing sheep, not dog or lion. This mean Jesus was out, preaching the gospel to bring back the scattered lost tribe of Israel (sheep). Jeremiah 23:8

Jesus,knowing what the plan is, and what is purpose on earth is, he directed his disciples not to go among the gentiles or the town of Samaritans, but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and preach that the kingdom is at hand. Matthew 10:5-7.

Note the phrase, lost sheep of the house of Israel? These are the ten lost tribe of Israel who Jesus said he was sent to. Israel are Jehovah people Deut 7:6

So sir, it is obvious, from all the bible passages I have presented that God had no plan about non Jew, and Jesus his son was concerned about the Jew only. Explained with Acts 5:30,31 the passage details Jehovah exalted Jesus as the Leader and Savior, to give repentance to ISRAEL and forgiveness to their sins. For salvation is of Israel. John 4:22

Sir, the plan has been on, that Israel will be divided into different tribes, that Lion would attack them and have them scattered. And that they will be reunited which is why Jesus was here. You and me are not in the picture sir.

Makschinchin:
I'll use John Chapter 10 in this case where Jesus is referred to as the Good Shepherd and we all (not Israelites alone), His sheep. The sheep which are not in His fold are those who are yet to believe in Jesus and give their lives to Him, it could be anyone not just Israelites. If it were to be Israelites only, the Bible would have recorded it on countless occasions and there will be no need for Jesus and His disciples traveling out of Israel to preach the Gospel to non Jews.

This is laughable and completely wrong. You see, your submission above is contrary to what is in the bible. If I were to paint the real picture, your submission above are only figment of your imagination and have no substance in the bible.

Jesus messages, wholly, were quotation from old testament. The parable in John 10 included. So I will be right to state that Jesus was quoting from Ezekiel 34. The whole message in Ezek 34 was about the sheep, who the sheep are, the challenges they were facing, and what the future holds for them.

Note vers 30-end of Ezek 34
 30 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God. The family of Israel will know that I am with them and that they are my people.” This is what the Lord God said!

31 “You are my sheep, the sheep of my grassland. You are only human beings, and I am your God.” This is what the Lord God said.


The bible passage above was speaking about Families of Israel, who are known as SHEEP (not believers as you stated).

Therefore, Jesus in John 10:16 was referring to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, meaning the lost tribe of Israel.

Makschinchin:
Oh, so because it talks about the risen Christ, how He appeared to many, and His commandment to His disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world, you want me to believe you?? No way

It is not my doing that some passages of the bible were fraudulently plugged into the bible. The messages may mean alot to you but that doesn't change the fact that it is not in the original manuscript. This is the reason many bible versions removed it. NIV added a footnote which stated that the verse isn't translated from original manuscript. Wherever it came from, it is inherently fraud and outrightly rejected.

Makschinchin:
Sure, he is not the same as Jesus but he is a disciple of Jesus after he was converted. You claim Paul doesn't know Jesus, but the same Paul spoke to the public about his personal encounter with Jesus; how he heard from Jesus and was told what to do by Him (Acts 22:6-10)

The encounter you post a Bible verse to substantiate happens over the years after Jesus had died. That is not what I am saying. I meant, he didnt meet Jesus personally, or in person.

Many of Paul teachings contradicted or attempted develop a new doctrine contrary to what Jesus laid down. Yes I know, the Christianity of this age draw it doctrine from the hogwash laid down from Paul. He doesn't have the expertise, he didnt meet Jesus and do not know his teaching. This is why Disciples of Jesus disagreed with him.

Such person , that says anything contrary to what God had laid down, and contrary to pathway God son follows, is not acceptable.

Makschinchin:
You speak about Jesus hating non Jews, but that is not what that passage is saying.. Let bring that passage here: REVELATION 2:9
"KJV: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
AMP: I know your affliction and distress and pressing trouble and your poverty-but you are rich! and how you are abused and reviled and slandered by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a Synagogue of Satan."

NOTE: Those 'who say' they are Jews.. (Same with Rev 3:9)
Meanwhile Philadelphia and Smyrna are outside of Israel ooo (correct me if I'm wrong)
These passages are in no way talking about Jesus' hatred of non Jews (it's very obvious. Thank God you showed me the passage because I was wondering if what you claim could ever be true )

Rev 2:9, 3:9 were quoted against folks like you and Jesusjnr. In a meantime, before you allude to yourself the nationality of Israel, you should know that there is a curse for such action.

Many Christians told have rejected their ancestry and took upon themselves ancestry of David and Abraham. You will see them tracing their history back to Noah in faraway Israel. My Igbo kinsmen are guilty of this. They are removing their identity, history and heritage and taking on another person history. What a shame.

Even if you allude that you are Jew, it doesn't make you a jew but synagogue of satan that would serve the jew in future.

Makschinchin:
That same verse you are trying to quote said you should hate yourself (which you knowingly omitted), so what exactly do you think Jesus was saying there??

Read about Self-hatred.

Or you don't know people hate themselves? You don't know you hate yourself by subscribing to foreign God?

Makschinchin:
That's not true sir!

Mathew 15:24 is an example of Segregation. You may not agree but it's fact

Makschinchin:
Harmony with Lucifer God forbid o.. Bros, no be me and you wan harmonize with Satan, Tufiakwa Someone who initiated sin and is the reason for all the hardship and evil many suffer today..I can't harmonise with Satan, because he doesn't even wish any of us well.. We are well today and enjoy life through the grace of Almighty God through Jesus Christ, His Son.

Amos 3:6 and Isaiah 45:7 told us God is the source of all evil. That is not my line of argument, I just want you to see that Jehovah is the devil, not Lucifer.

And have you seen what I was saying? There is no truce, no compassion, compromise, forgiveness and true love which is way above all wrongs. In the absence of all these, there will be disharmony.

A God that cannot form a truce and end rancor is demonic. You should stop worshipping such egomaniac dictator.

If Christianity is founded on harmony, and your God is compassionate, he would have set aside the wrong of Lucifer and work with him. This shows there isn't harmony in Christianity.

Makschinchin:
I need you to share Scriptural passages for this.. I no come dey believe you again because you like to take one passage and twist it wrongly to suit you.. Me want to read the full chapter

Deut 32:8-12, Psalm 78:71 these two verses speak about God inheriting Israel.

1 king 8:23 talks about Jehovah been God of Israel.

Please understand me brother, I am not a polish writer or speaker but I have a vast knowledge on subject like this. 2 Cor 11:6. There is no reason to lie, you need reality and that is what I am reeling out.

Makschinchin:
You are filled with hate for our God (I guess something made you feel this way. I'm all ears, I don't mind you sharing -personally- if you wish). Jesus may have come in flesh as an Israelite, but that doesn't mean He is God of the Israelites alone. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the Word of reconciliation" (-2nd Corinthians 5:19).

That is contrary to Matt 15:24 he said he came for Israelite alone.

1 king 8:23 indicated that Jehovah is the God of Israel, not the whole world.

And sorry sir, I do not hate your God. I am only stating facts and setting the record straight. You lots have to know who you worship and how he gave no single fuucck about you.

Makschinchin:
You said He condemned Edom/Edomites because they weren't His; have you forgotten that Edom is Esau, Isaac's son, Abraham's grandson?? Please Go back to the book of Genesis and read about the story of Esau, how he lost his rightful place before God and man.

Sir, is it that you can't see it? Edom was destined to be destroyed by Jehovah. At no time was salvation brought to them. The question I asked is, why can't God save them? Why the bloodied hate and callous wickedness? Did Jesus went to preach to them? Why can't God send Jesus to Edomites and have them saved? Why only the house of Israel?

Please answer these questions.

Makschinchin:
First and foremost, don't try to separate Jesus from God because Jesus is God.

Ehn ehn.

Jesus is Jehovah. Isnt that what you mean?

Makschinchin:
Jesus never forsook the Samaritans and Gentiles. You failed to mention how He preached the Gospel to a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well in John chapter 4. And for the woman of Canaan you wrongly claimed He called a dog, you know too well from that passage that He wasn't literally referring to the woman as a dog. He said a proverb there, Matthew 15:22-28, "It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to dogs" (vs 26), what He meant here could be seen at His first reply to the woman in verse 24, "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Nonetheless, the woman understood the proverb and immediately responded in verse 27, "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master's table". Her response clearly shows that she believed Jesus can still heal her daughter even if she wasn't an Israelite, and YES, Jesus healed her daughter instantly because of her faith (vs 28).

Matt 10:5-6 preceded all these. Ezek 43 told us about Sheep, not dogs or Lions.

The woman child was healed, no dispute.... That is not after she has been insulted and called demeaning name. Jesus did what he did outside the line of duty. No offence there.

My argument is that Jesus line of duty is to be shepherd of sheep (Israelites). And the bring to the lost sheep back to the fold. (lost sheep mean lost tribe of Israel). He affirmed that that is what he is here for, not some other thing he did. Jesus isn't keeper of Lion, Foxes, or Wolf. If he was here for those wild animals, he could have saved them too.

Makschinchin:
STOP TAKING BIBLE PASSAGES OUT OF CONTEXT!! You just claimed Jesus called her a dog and didn't point out what happened in the passage because you want people to believe in the lies you are spreading against the Gospel of Christ.. You won't say the wonderful things Jesus did and is still doing but you will like to turn Scripture passages upside down only to deceive those who don't know the Truth of God's Word. But God won't let you succeed in that in Jesus' Name, AMEN.

What happen after isn't my business sir. The bone of contention is that Samaritan is dog and the woman accepted that. However, Jesus was sent to the lost sheep ONLY, not to dogs or baboons.

Makschinchin:
Following the ways of Jesus is not deceit and can never be. I'll rather encourage you to come into the glorious Light of our Lord and Saviour Jesus and stop yielding your soul, spirit and body to Satan for his evil works against the kingdom of God.

Come to JESUS today!!

God bless you sir.

Your mind has long been sold into perpetual slavery. Free yourself, stop worshipping a hateful, wicked and racist God of Israel.

Makschinchin:


You're getting it all wrong sir.. Always taking Scriptural passages out of context And for the records, I'm a Christian, a Nigerian, and I don't link my ancestral history to David's because I'm not an Israelite talk more of David's descendant.. I haven't even seen any Christian who claims such (I don't personally know anyone from Israel). If you know any who is claiming such, why not let us know? Again, I don't have low self esteem and inferiority complex, so why would you ascribe such words to all Christians??

Thank goodness you have not changed your own ancestry, many Christians out there have done that. They went as far as claiming they are children of Abraham. Majority of the Christians in this country accept the Adam story as fact. They argued that their ancestry stemmed from Adam and Eve. Like wtf?

Makschinchin:
For those who care to know, in the Bible, Jesus often spoke in parables.. He explained these parables to His disciples and people who cared to know. There were some parables Jesus spoke that even His disciples didn't understand, they asked Jesus and He explained the parables to them But for some others who don't believe in Him, who never cared to know, they were left in the dark and may have ended up using logic/reasoning to unravel the truth behind the parables..

You can never decipher Jesus' parables with common sense/logic/human reasoning, you'll only end up in confusion. It is only the Holy Spirit that can give us understanding into everything that has to do with the Word of God and the Ways of God.

The parables were not pulled from the sky sir. In fact, the Good shepherd, sheep, missing sheep and another sheepfold are all drawn from Ezek 43. Read it up sir.

Makschinchin:
My dear FolyK, stop using human reasoning alone to decipher the Word of God.. Ask for the wisdom of God which is pure and full of good fruits.. "Ask and keep asking, and it shall be given unto you..." Matthew 7:7

Thank you

I don here. Welcome

Makschinchin:


You quoted Luke 14:26 to back up this claim of yours. You should have continued down to verse 33 to get better knowledge of what Jesus is saying.. But you chose to pick up just one verse and take the true meaning out of it like you always do..

Let's see what Luke 14:26-33 says;

Luke.14.26 - "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
Luke.14.27 - And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
Luke.14.28 - For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it--
Luke.14.29 - lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
Luke.14.30 - saying, "This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
Luke.14.31 - Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
Luke.14.32 - Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.
Luke.14.33 - So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.


Before we continue, don't forget what God said in Exod.20.12 - "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.

So, how can you possibly claim Jesus meant "outright hatred for one's family and oneself" in Luke 14:26, even after verses 27-33 explains it further??

See this guy, you failed to explain how you understand Luke 14 :26 and very shameful of it, and now you are clinging on verse 33.

Even the verse 33 buttress my points. It stated that you should forsake all before you can follow Jesus. The all includes your parent, siblings, spouse and children.

Just in case you do not
know, forsake mean to abandon, leave (permanently), or renounce.

These mean you have to forsake your parents in the village, and without proper care, let them die. Isn't that a form of hate?

How can you abandon something you love? How can you leave (permanently) what you cherish? These are all form of hatred for you cannot forsake what you love.

On another note, honoring is not opposite of hate. That you honor your Government doesn't mean you love them.

Makschinchin:
If you must follow Christ you must give him your all.. You can't allow your mother, father, wife, husband, siblings and even your own self to hold you back..
(Jesus said in Matt.18.8 - "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire." ) You shouldn't allow anything or anyone come between you and Jesus.

We are saying the same thing bro.

Forsake your parents, you shouldn't allow them stop your relationship with Jesus. Dont allow it by leaving them, disregarding them and forsaken them.

If that isn't hate, I don know what it is

Makschinchin:
When Jesus first called James and John the sons of Zebedee, they were in a boat with their father, but at the call of Jesus, they left their father and followed Jesus. That doesn't mean they outrightly hated their dad afterwards in terms of not having anything to do with him anymore, no, but they had to answer their divine calling from that moment in order to fulfil their purpose on earth. Same James and John came with their mother at a particular time, to request a favour from Jesus. Since you said Jesus teaches hate, James and John should never have had anything to do with their mother anymore, neither would Jesus have bothered to heal Simon Peter's wife's mother.

AMPC If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters—[yes] and even his own life also—he cannot be My disciple.

Amplified bible version used the word 'relative disregard'. Those are not my words. Bible asking you to honor and also disregard your parent. Shouldn't be allowed in our society.

Makschinchin:
Again let me show you from Mark 7, how Jesus was even displeased with the Scribes and Pharisees for teaching their children to disregard God's commandment to honor their father and mother:

Mark.7.9 - He (Jesus) said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.
Mark.7.10 - For Moses said, "Honor your father and your mother'; and, "He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
Mark.7.11 - But you (Pharisees and Scribes) say, "If a man says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban"--' (that is, a gift to God),
Mark.7.12 - then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother,
Mark.7.13 - making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."


So my dear, you can't possibly say Jesus meant "hatred" like you're painting it to look.

Thank you.

In all these sir, how do you explain 'hate' as a word and in contextual aspect? Let us see.

alBHAGDADI:


There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

You sound very authoritarian like a dictator.
Pls, Jesus is not authoritarian, and He never marshalled out orders for anyone to obey.

He called us into a marriage with him, and every marriage is a relationship.

It is "Whosoever Will". This is not the tune of a Dictator that you try to present here.

FOLYKAZE:
The same Jesus told us he was sent to ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, and he directed his disciple to preach the gospel only to the Jew. Not only that, he placed a curse on those who are not jew but claim they are. What a racist god my black kinsmen worship.

@OP, didnt your bible ask you to HATE your father and mother?

Christianity propagates hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony. The love you are preaching is facade.

When you are done consulting for your demons, you can post scriptures to back up your comments here so that I can have fun shredding your arse to pieces.

jesusjnr:
Oops. You forgot to add the part of the saying where He also said "you must also hate yourself."

Perhaps the meaning of hatred in this context exceeds the boundaries of your mentality.

And he is a native doctor o.

Anas09:

You sound very authoritarian like a dictator.
Pls, Jesus is not authoritarian, and He never marshalled out orders for anyone to obey.

He called us into a marriage with him, and every marriage is a relationship.

It is "Whosoever Will". This is not the tune of a Dictator that you try to present here.

When he called you into a marriage with him, was it you alone as an individual or a group called The church?

If it's a group called The church, then how's that a personal relationship?

FOLYKAZE:


See this guy, you failed to explain how you understand Luke 14 :26 and very shameful of it, and now you are clinging on verse 33.

Even the verse 33 buttress my points. It stated that you should forsake all before you can follow Jesus. The all includes your parent, siblings, spouse and children.

Just in case you do not
know, forsake mean to abandon, leave (permanently), or renounce.

These mean you have to forsake your parents in the village, and without proper care, let them die. Isn't that a form of hate?

How can you abandon something you love? How can you leave (permanently) what you cherish? These are all form of hatred for you cannot forsake what you love.

On another note, honoring is not opposite of hate. That you honor your Government doesn't mean you love them.



We are saying the same thing bro.

Forsake your parents, you shouldn't allow them stop your relationship with Jesus. Dont allow it by leaving them, disregarding them and forsaken them.

If that isn't hate, I don know what it is



AMPC If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters—[yes] and even his own life also—he cannot be My disciple.

Amplified bible version used the word 'relative disregard'. Those are not my words. Bible asking you to honor and also disregard your parent. Shouldn't be allowed in our society.



In all these sir, how do you explain 'hate' as a word and in contextual aspect? Let us see.

Just look at how you subtly turned a 'closed eye' to all I explained.. I was waiting to hear your reply concerning James and John coming with their mum to ask a favour from Jesus and the other example I gave.. But from your analysis, you claimed every disciple of Jesus hates parents in the sense of disregarding them and leaving them to die.. Lies from the pit of hell.

I know your type.. No amount of what I type here can make you see the Truth in the glorious Gospel of Christ, you'll rather keep disproving it.. You just want to frustrate the Gospel and make me start arguing with you, but God won't let any of that to happen... It takes only the Holy Spirit to convict you.. And I pray that one day, He will open your eyes and your heart to the Truth of His Word, Amen.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Anas09:

And he is a native doctor o.

Lol!

What an irony!

alBHAGDADI:


When he called you into a marriage with him, was it you alone as an individual or a group called The church?

If it's a group called The church, then how's that a personal relationship?

What is the Church? Do you really know?
I am a Church in a small detail and a group of the called out ones as a whole.

alBHAGDADI, our salvation is not collective, it's individualistic, that is why everyone of us needs to accept Christ individually. A father cannot accept Christ or repent for the sins of his child no matter much he loves him. On the day of judgement, your sins will not be required from anyone else, but from you.

We are the bride of Christ individually sir.

alBHAGDADI:


There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

What kind of Christian are you if you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus?
From Eden God wanted a personal relationship with Adam, hence he came down at he cool of the day to fellowship, have a nice time visiting and conversing with him.

He had a relationship with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, I can go on. Everyone who ever walked with God, was in relationship with Him. How is your own Christianity different?

No wonder you say we shd hate people.
OKcornel, I spot you o. Abeg put mouth for this talk.

Anas09:

When you are done consulting for your demons, you can post scriptures to back up your comments here so that I can have fun shredding your arse to pieces.

You see how stupid you are shey? Even if we don't agree on some issues, you should respect me and I will accord you same respect. Look at how I engaged Makschinchin, that is because he is well mannered. Mufftylaff is also another Christian I like to engage. They followed the bible guidelines as laid down in 1 Peter 3:15,16.

Anas09:

What is the Church? Do you really know?
I am a Church in a small detail and a group of the called out ones as a whole.

alBHAGDADI, our salvation is not collective, it's individualistic, that is why everyone of us needs to accept Christ individually. A father cannot accept Christ or repent for the sins of his child no matter much he loves him. On the day of judgement, your sins will not be required from anyone else, but from you.

We are the bride of Christ individually sir.

@bold

Makschinchin:


Just look at how you subtly turned a 'closed eye' to all I explained.. I was waiting to hear your reply concerning James and John coming with their mum to ask a favour from Jesus and the other example I gave.. But from your analysis, you claimed every disciple of Jesus hates parents in the sense of disregarding them and leaving them to die.. Lies from the pit of hell.

No sir, you always make a wrong conclusion. And please, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that ALL Christians hates their parents. What I said is that Jesus instructed his disciples to hate their parents. Whether his disciples take the instruction to the last letter is not issue here. However, some still have have hateful tendency against their parents.

Same Jesus instructed his disciples to sell off their properties, give sales proceed to the poor and follow him. How many Christians follow the instructions to the last letter? Mary Theresa did but not so many Christians can. That is the hypocrisy called blind followership.

Makschinchin:

I know your type.. No amount of what I type here can make you see the Truth in the glorious Gospel of Christ, you'll rather keep disproving it.. You just want to frustrate the Gospel and make me start arguing with you, but God won't let any of that to happen... It takes only the Holy Spirit to convict you.. And I pray that one day, He will open your eyes and your heart to the Truth of His Word, Amen.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

The scripture is sacrosanct. And has it instructions laid down in simple English. It is only Pharisees choose what and what not to practise.

Christianity as I know it, and the bible which I read is filled with hateful doctrines which shouldn't be allowed in sane climate. The whole religion is founded on hate, divides and disharmony.

Even when you are going astray, I love you brother. Remain blessed.

FOLYKAZE:


No sir, you always make a wrong conclusion. And please, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that ALL Christians hates their parents. What I said is that Jesus instructed his disciples to hate their parents. Whether his disciples take the instruction to the last letter is not issue here. However, some still have have hateful tendency against their parents.

Same Jesus instructed his disciples to sell off their properties, give sales proceed to the poor and follow him. How many Christians follow the instructions to the last letter? Mary Theresa did but not so many Christians can. That is the hypocrisy called blind followership.



The scripture is sacrosanct. And has it instructions laid down in simple English. It is only Pharisees choose what and what not to practise.

Christianity as I know it, and the bible which I read is filled with hateful doctrines which shouldn't be allowed in sane climate. The whole religion is founded on hate, divides and disharmony.

Even when you are going astray, I love you brother. Remain blessed.

Sorry I misquoted you by saying that you said all Christians hate parents.. You said Jesus' disciples..

I still stand by the fact that Christianity is not filled with hateful doctrines as you proclaim..

Remain blessed too

FOLYKAZE:


You see how stupid you are shey? Even if we don't agree on some issues, you should respect me and I will accord you same respect. Look at how I engaged Makschinchin, that is because he is well mannered. Mufftylaff is also another Christian I like to engage. They followed the bible guidelines as laid down in 1 Peter 3:15,16.

***Makschinch.n is a female ooo ***

Makschinchin:

***Makschinch.n is a female ooo ***

Oh mama. That is nice to know

Makschinchin:



I still stand by the fact that Christianity is not filled with hateful doctrines as you proclaim..

Many have been lured into Christianity with those deceit. Were you not the one that don't want to have anything to do with Lucifer? That is the root of all hatred. It starts from hating Lucifer, to hating imaginary enemies in the village and pray that they die by fire (my boss be mfm and that is her line of prayer).

I was once like you my dear. But, history has shown that Christianity isn't the right path, Islam isn't either. Africans should look inward. Africans should disregard all form of religion that subject us to enslavement either in form of mind, skin color, ethnicity, and even sex.

It is demeaning that Jehovah silent all women in church and synagogue. Women in Christianity are second class human who have little or no value. The Heavens have no single woman. In Islam, women have no value outside sex and production of old children. And our women still cant see this.

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alBHAGDADI:


@bold

Oh. I use to think you were a Believer.

FOLYKAZE:


Many have been lured into Christianity with those deceit. Were you not the one that don't want to have anything to do with Lucifer? That is the root of all hatred. It starts from hating Lucifer, to hating imaginary enemies in the village and pray that they die by fire (my boss be mfm and that is her line of prayer).

I was once like you my dear. But, history has shown that Christianity isn't the right path, Islam isn't either. Africans should look inward. Africans should disregard all form of religion that subject us to enslavement either in form of mind, skin color, ethnicity, and even sex.

It is demeaning that Jehovah silent all women in church and synagogue. Women in Christianity are second class human who have little or no value. The Heavens have no single woman. In Islam, women have no value outside sex and production of old children. And our women still cant see this.

Do you have idea about Yoruba spirituality? You are important to us in this spiritual system. Ifa value women. Check us out

So satanism is the right path, why then aren't you cozy staying in your shrine but always want to talk Christianity which is not the right path. Are you confused?

FOLYKAZE:


No sir, you always make a wrong conclusion. And please, stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that ALL Christians hates their parents. What I said is that Jesus instructed his disciples to hate their parents. Whether his disciples take the instruction to the last letter is not issue here. However, some still have have hateful tendency against their parents.

Same Jesus instructed his disciples to sell off their properties, give sales proceed to the poor and follow him. How many Christians follow the instructions to the last letter? Mary Theresa did but not so many Christians can. That is the hypocrisy called blind followership.



The scripture is sacrosanct. And has it instructions laid down in simple English. It is only Pharisees choose what and what not to practise.

Christianity as I know it, and the bible which I read is filled with hateful doctrines which shouldn't be allowed in sane climate. The whole religion is founded on hate, divides and disharmony.

Even when you are going astray, I love you brother. Remain blessed.

I asked that you post scriptures backing your comments @bolded here. Can you pls post them?