jesusjnr:
Ok if you say so.

I just wanted to expose him for who he was, for He knows me very well and I also know him.

Okay

CaveAdullam:
AMP:Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!
2 Corinthians 5:17

I concur with you. But as the OP will say, we cannot all agree on the same thing.

It is better to forge ahead with your new life in Christ than look for ways to repay your past sins when Christ Jesus has sets you free.

Restitution ti long ti stressful............. Can any really fulfill the demands of Restitution i.e from birth till you became born again?

Let the Holy Spirit leads.

Thanks.

God bless.

EnthronedbyGod:
1- That's not the meaning of that verse - Old things( sins forgiving, our old nature in Adam passed away) , all things become new( New nature in Christ).

2- It has nothing to do with repaying for past sins, for no man can repay for sins, cos Christ has already paid for it, but rather having a conscience void of offence towards God and man.

3- No man can restitute for all he has done for that's impossible and unrealistic, but sometimes the Holy Spirit brings some things to our memory so that we can make our ways right.
Jesus said the prince of this world cometh and hath nothing in me.

CaveAdullam, your quoted 2 Corinthians 5:17 is a relevant verse. We have become a brand new person, the old self is shed

How long is a piece of string. I agree with you that restitution is too long, is too stressful and that its best to let the Holy Spirit lead and guide one, just as I previously mentioned about Zacchaeus, who instead of the normal restitution law (i.e. Leviticus 6:4-5 or Numbers 5:6-7) that demanded one must make full restitution for a particular sin, by paying the value of the sin/crime and on top, add a fifth of the sin's value to it, Zacchaeus was lead by the Spirit to give half of his property to the poor and pay four times as much as he owed, to those he had defrauded and/or cheated on, in any way, so if the total value plus fifth value amounted to $100 then means Zacchaeus actually paid out $400 instead of $100. He not only restituted but also paid back his victims with compensation, which is a form of recognition of loss, suffering or injury he caused his victims. Not to forget, also gave away half of his posssesion to the poor. Did OP who was thumping his chest, that he did such and nothing happened to him, that most of his victims didn't even collect back the items he returned, as they were even happy he contacted them because God had gone before him, to soften their hearts, done better Zacchaeus', hmm? Did OP add a fifth on top of the original value before going to these people erhn? Did OP give half of all his possessions to the poor hmm? Yeah, right I never thought OP did either of the two how Zacchaeus did.

Now, being that restituition has been done by Jesus Christ for us, as I've earlier said, and, as you've said too, then only do what you have to do, as in, do as you're being persuaded and/or led by the Holy Spirit to do.

EnthronedbyGod:
Do you mean if you defrauded me of #5m and I see you after 3 years , I wouldn't arrest you, because you have become born again claiming Christ has washed away your sins.
My brother if you did such and I caught you when I was an unbeliever I would lock you up in jail and forget you.

Whats the relevant of this comment. Na pesin wey no get shishi, go repay you back after defrauding you 3 years ago kwa? Las las na only lock up somebori for jail una fit sabi do, and the brother will do evangelism for cell spread the gospel and for the glory of God too.

EnthronedbyGod:


3[b]No man can restitute for all he has done for that's impossible and unrealistic, but sometimes the Holy Spirit brings some things to our memory so that we can make our ways right.[/b].

If at all restitution should be done, it must be done completely!!! That's my stand. If the Holy Spirit brings to your memory "somethings", what about other things He neglected, are they not worthy of restitution? or is He now partial?No, God forbid!

Since no man can restitute for all he has done because it's impossible and unrealistic, I think the Holy Spirit will not lead any man to proceed with restitution. If any man proceed with restitution it must be as a result of his troubled conscience and not as a result of the leading of the Holy Spirit(because he won't lead man in tasks that are impossible and unrealistic). A conscience that has fully come to the knowledge and understanding of grace of the Lord Jesus Christ by faith won't be troubled by restitution.

Nevertheless, let the Holy Spirit leads.

Thanks.

God bless.

EnthronedbyGod:


That question was impressed upon my heart.

This is the message I have for you.

1- You didn't stumble upon this thread, God brought you here.

2- You used to pray the rosary and nothing happened, because you were ignorant.

3- God wants to draw you closer to Himself, that's why you think you stumbled upon this thread.

4- You got some knowledge from this thread which stirred up something in your spirit, but you despised the knowledge and decided to continue in your past ways of praying rosary.

5- If you hadn't come across this thread, you wouldn't have had that attack, because you would have still been ignorant.

6- The spirit behind the rosary(queen of heaven) decided to fight back so as not to loose you.

7- The occultic shop you ran into is your worship centre- God was trying to tell you through the dream, that you thought you were running away from the queen of heaven, not knowing you're still running back into the fallen angels domain.


How long will you halt between 2 opinions?
Choose you this day whom you will serve.

God bless

Do you have any message from God to me this morning?

CaveAdullam:
If at all restitution should be done, it must be done completely!!! That's my stand. If the Holy Spirit brings to your memory "somethings", what about other things He neglected, are they not worthy of restitution? or is He now partial?No, God forbid!

Since no man can restitute for all he has done because it's impossible and unrealistic, I think the Holy Spirit will not lead any man to proceed with restitution. If any man proceed with restitution it must be as a result of his troubled conscience and not as a result of the leading of the Holy Spirit(because he won't lead man in tasks that are impossible and unrealistic). A conscience that has fully come to the knowledge and understanding of grace of the Lord Jesus Christ by faith won't be troubled by restitution.

Nevertheless, let the Holy Spirit leads.

Thanks.

God bless.

Let's agree to disagree, I'll rather stick to what the Holy Ghost taught me, however I'll like to ask you 2 questions and I'll need a sincere and direct answer from you.

1- If you got a job with a fake certificate, and along the line you got born again.
Will you continue with the job, since Christ has forgiven your sins, or will you go to the management and tell them you're resigning?.


2- If you were the governor of Lagos state and looted $20million dollars and ran to Cambodia after your tenure. The EFCC then declared you wanted.
While in Cambodia you got born again, and noticed you still had about $15million left, will you restitute the money or continue your stay in Cambodia, spending the money since your sins have been forgiven.

TabletMan:
Do you have any message from God to me this morning?

You can send me a PM, but I don't have any message for you, the message I have for you is the one I just gave you.

EnthronedbyGod:
Let's agree to disagree, I'll rather stick to what the Holy Ghost taught me, however I'll like to ask you 2 questions and I'll need a sincere and direct answer from you.

I earlier narrated the Zacchaeus model, who instead of the normal restitution law (i.e. Leviticus 6:4-5 or Numbers 5:6-7) that demanded one must make full restitution for a particular sin, by paying the actual value of the sin/crime and on top, add a fifth of the sin's value to it, but Zacchaeus was taught and lead by the Holy Spirit to give half of his property to the poor and pay four times more to those he had defrauded and/or cheated on, which meant, if the total value plus fifth value amounted to $100 then Zacchaeus actually paid out $400 instead of $100. He not only restituted but also paid back his victims with compensation, which is a form of recognition of loss, suffering or injury he caused his victims. Not to forget, also gave away half of his posssesion to the poor.

These two questions you're asking have nothing to do with the CaveAdullam position of, "if at all restitution should be done, it must be done completely" and should be similar to the Zacchaeus model, if it at all, could be helped.

EnthronedbyGod:
1- If you got a job with a fake certificate, and along the line you got born again.
Will you continue with the job, since Christ has forgiven your sins, or will you go to the management and tell them you're resigning?.

Resign

EnthronedbyGod:
2- If you were the governor of Lagos state and looted $20million dollars and ran to Cambodia after your tenure. The EFCC then declared you wanted.
While in Cambodia you got born again, and noticed you still had about $15million left, will you restitute the money or continue your stay in Cambodia, spending the money since your sins have been forgiven.

Why should I stay and be a fugitive for life, no, I will asap access contact channels to EFCC, explain whats left of the money and explore with them, what plea bargain options I can enter and/or take advantage of.

EnthronedbyGod:



You can send me a PM, but I don't have any message for you, the message I have for you is the one I just gave you.

The message you gave to me, Is it from God?

EnthronedbyGod:




Let's agree to disagree, I'll rather stick to what the Holy Ghost taught me, however I'll like to ask you 2 questions and I'll need a sincere and direct answer from you.

1- If you got a job with a fake certificate, and along the line you got born again.
Will you continue with the job, since Christ has forgiven your sins, or will you go to the management and tell them you're resigning?.

I will resign.

EnthronedbyGod:

2- If you were the governor of Lagos state and looted $20million dollars and ran to Cambodia after your tenure. The EFCC then declared you wanted.
While in Cambodia you got born again, and noticed you still had about $15million left, will you restitute the money or continue your stay in Cambodia, spending the money since your sins have been forgiven.

while still in Cambodia, I will contact the EFCC so as to discover the best plea option, sort things out and send them the remaining money. The essence of seeking the best plea option is to avoid any form of disturbance when I arrive Nigeria.

Thanks.

God bless.

TabletMan:
The message you gave to me, Is it from God?

@EnthronedbyGod, @finalboss @tabletman @tomtween1
EnthronedbyGod may the grace of God be with you. I don’t comment on Religion thread and avoided commenting on this but you have succeeded in forcing me out.
You started this thread condemning the catholic hierarchy but i continued to follow even encouraged others to follow it as you have some expository that will enrich people spiritually.
Unfortunately, along the line, you left the mission of expository of spiritual aspect of cultism and delved into Catholic Church and trying hard to turn this beautiful thread into a denominational bashing and counter argument.
Please face the cult you are well versed in and stop drawing unnecessary attention because Catholics hardly reply such bashing.
I am highly amazed that not less than 10 years after your conversion, you are now an authority in catholic doctrines that have withstood centuries, starting from the dark ages to the present. You questions the infallibility of pope (I bet you do not know what it means), priests unmarried life, intercession of the saints etc.
@tabletman being attacked in his spirit and dreams after coming in contact with this thread is in another level entirely and I regret ever encouraging anybody to continue with this thread.
I will not ask you to desist from condemning the Catholic Church as you always insist that you write according to the direction of the Holy Spirit but always try to sieve your personal opinion from direction of Holy Spirit.
Peace be unto you.

[quote author=EnthronedbyGod post=80209050][/quote] Good day sir,how are you doing today ,just want to let you know that I have finished the 7days prayer and fasting...I so much appreciate your spiritual love and concern...pls let me know what to do next and maybe if you have questions to ask me ...waiting to read back from ypu

Have to question to ask you...pls let me know when you get this

A lots of talks and disagreement about The Catholic Church!! Anyway I don't have any personal grudges against them, I like the way their choir songs sounds solemn, but I'm not just in agreement with their mode of worship, same way I'm not in agreement with olumba olumba or whatever gathering that will require me to pray to God through a Saint, a symbol or whatever apart from the name of Jesus alone!

EnthronedbyGod:




Let's agree to disagree, I'll rather stick to what the Holy Ghost taught me, however I'll like to ask you 2 questions and I'll need a sincere and direct answer from you.

1- If you got a job with a fake certificate, and along the line you got born again.
Will you continue with the job, since Christ has forgiven your sins, or will you go to the management and tell them you're resigning?.


2- If you were the governor of Lagos state and looted $20million dollars and ran to Cambodia after your tenure. The EFCC then declared you wanted.
While in Cambodia you got born again, and noticed you still had about $15million left, will you restitute the money or continue your stay in Cambodia, spending the money since your sins have been forgiven.

The thing is some people may hear stories like these of impossible restitution as being championed by certain poster and decide to go on a stealing spree or sinning spree with the hope of giving their life to Christ then enjoying their loot. Thoughtful and subtle questions though.

CodeTemplar:
The thing is some people may hear stories like these of impossible restitution as being championed by certain poster and decide to go on a stealing spree or sinning spree with the hope of giving their life to Christ then enjoying their loot. Thoughtful and subtle questions though.

CodeTemplar:
Just as I was thinking. A lot of souls are still taking their chances to profitably trade with sin and make money for themselves before "repenting".

"But God said to him,
‘You fool! This very night your life will be required of you.
Then who will own what you have accumulated?’"
- Luke 12:20

"Make no mistake about this:
You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest."
- Galatians 6:7

You made a similar comment as can be seen above, to which I proffered Luke 12:20 and Galatians 6:7 in response to it, but the import and meaning of Luke 12:20 and Galatians 6:7 went swoosh over your head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "you didn't know warris going on"

Who gave them a guarantee they will live to enjoy the loot, erhn. You think they can mock God or take God for a schmuck, huh? Just let me bite my tongue before I start sin against God and man, smh.

@EnthronedByGod, I am really restraining myself from engaging certain characters like I did before.

The reason I asked about restitution and repentance is the popular notion among youths that they can safely afford to belong to something (a club or cult) and make money for themselves with it before accepting Christ, then enjoy their salvation booty.
You may have noticed the guy mentioning me and sampling scriptures that aren't relevant to these points and clearly out of context. I don't want to be seen as the one derailing but may have to reply.

kelechiodo:


@EnthronedbyGod, @finalboss @tabletman @tomtween1
EnthronedbyGod may the grace of God be with you. I don’t comment on Religion thread and avoided commenting on this but you have succeeded in forcing me out.
You started this thread condemning the catholic hierarchy but i continued to follow even encouraged others to follow it as you have some expository that will enrich people spiritually.
Unfortunately, along the line, you left the mission of expository of spiritual aspect of cultism and delved into Catholic Church and trying hard to turn this beautiful thread into a denominational bashing and counter argument.
Please face the cult you are well versed in and stop drawing unnecessary attention because Catholics hardly reply such bashing.
I am highly amazed that not less than 10 years after your conversion, you are now an authority in catholic doctrines that have withstood centuries, starting from the dark ages to the present. You questions the infallibility of pope (I bet you do not know what it means), priests unmarried life, intercession of the saints etc.
@tabletman being attacked in his spirit and dreams after coming in contact with this thread is in another level entirely and I regret ever encouraging anybody to continue with this thread.
I will not ask you to desist from condemning the Catholic Church as you always insist that you write according to the direction of the Holy Spirit but always try to sieve your personal opinion from direction of Holy Spirit.
Peace be unto you.

I'm so sorry if my honest question about salvation in the catholic church offends you.


I simply asked because of the "queen of heaven" being the same as Allah comment.

I can't condemn the catholic church of which I am still part of; even though I don't believe in 1 or 2 teachings.

[quote author=EnthronedbyGod post=80209050][/quote] I have completed the fasting...just want to let you know what next to do

CaveAdullam:
I will resign.


while still in Cambodia, I will contact the EFCC so as to discover the best plea option, sort things out and send them the remaining money. The essence of seeking the best plea option is to avoid any form of disturbance when I arrive Nigeria.

Thanks.

God bless.

So you can agree to make a plea with the EFCC for the sake of avoiding trouble, but you're here indirectly discouraging a young man whom I advised to restitute.


So saving face is more important to you, than making peace with people you wronged before your salvation.


Well you just justified my stance on restitution, with your answer.


please don't argue any further, cos I'll ignore



We can now agree to disagree.

kelechiodo:


@EnthronedbyGod, @finalboss @tabletman @tomtween1
EnthronedbyGod may the grace of God be with you. I don’t comment on Religion thread and avoided commenting on this but you have succeeded in forcing me out.
You started this thread condemning the catholic hierarchy but i continued to follow even encouraged others to follow it as you have some expository that will enrich people spiritually.
Unfortunately, along the line, you left the mission of expository of spiritual aspect of cultism and delved into Catholic Church and trying hard to turn this beautiful thread into a denominational bashing and counter argument.
Please face the cult you are well versed in and stop drawing unnecessary attention because Catholics hardly reply such bashing.
I am highly amazed that not less than 10 years after your conversion, you are now an authority in catholic doctrines that have withstood centuries, starting from the dark ages to the present. You questions the infallibility of pope (I bet you do not know what it means), priests unmarried life, intercession of the saints etc.
@tabletman being attacked in his spirit and dreams after coming in contact with this thread is in another level entirely and I regret ever encouraging anybody to continue with this thread.
I will not ask you to desist from condemning the Catholic Church as you always insist that you write according to the direction of the Holy Spirit but always try to sieve your personal opinion from direction of Holy Spirit.
Peace be unto you.

Why are you sentimentally calling out those monikers.

I repeat I have nothing against the catholic church.

Did you actually see the part where the guy asked of my opinion? or did you allow your sentiments to get the better part of you.


Did I just start spilling out what I did, or did I do that because someone asked me to?

I have nothing against denomination, for their is none in heaven, no denomination gives salvation as I stated earlier.

I'm sorry if I angered you, but I stand by what I said.

I'm not here to whip up sentiments, but to speak the truth regardless of whose ox is gored.


God bless

thekoko007:
Good day sir,how are you doing today ,just want to let you know that I have finished the 7days prayer and fasting...I so much appreciate your spiritual love and concern...pls let me know what to do next and maybe if you have questions to ask me ...waiting to read back from ypu

You have my email, talk to me via mail

tomtween1:


I'm so sorry if my honest question about salvation in the catholic church offends you.


I simply asked because of the "queen of heaven" being the same as Allah comment.

I can't condemn the catholic church of which I am still part of; even though I don't believe in 1 or 2 teachings.

It is well with you brother.

You know I intentionally ignored that question where you asked of my personal opinion, because i knew it might make people say I hate the catholic church.

I decided to later reply, because I wanted you to first understand fully that there was no salvation in any denomination.


We humans don't like the truth.


I even went ahead to tell you that your dream might mean you having a ministry to fulfill with the Catholics

I never even advised you to leave the catholic church, so I don't know why the guy is angry.


Hold on to the truth , which you believe in regardless of what anyone feels, cos it's the truth that sets free.

CodeTemplar:
@EnthronedByGod, I am really restraining myself from engaging certain characters like I did before.

The reason I asked about restitution and repentance is the popular notion among youths that they can safely afford to belong to something (a club or cult) and make money for themselves with it before accepting Christ, then enjoy their salvation booty.
You may have noticed the guy mentioning me and sampling scriptures that aren't relevant to these points and clearly out of context. I don't want to be seen as the one derailing but may have to reply.

I must admit that I'm very proud of you and your actions so far.

That guy is also quoting me intentionally, but as you can see I ignored him.

God bless you for your self control.

TabletMan:
Do you have any message from God to me this morning?

I earlier told you , that your help comes from God alone.

I only interpreted the dream you had as I was led by the Spirit.

We all have access to God through Christ and if you pray through Him alone with sincerity of heart, you'll get the answers you seek.

If you need my counsel, send me a PM

EnthronedbyGod:



I earlier told you , that your help comes from God alone.

I only interpreted the dream you had as I was led by the Spirit.

We all have access to God through Christ and if you pray through Him alone with sincerity of heart, you'll get the answers you seek.

If you need my counsel, send me a PM

Are you sure holy spirit led you to translate the dream for me?

TabletMan:
Are you sure holy spirit led you to translate the dream for me?

This is the last reply I'd give you on this issue.

As I stated earlier, we all have access to God through Jesus Christ, you can go to God through Christ with sincerity of heart and He will give you the answers you seek.

I'm not God, I'm just a tool in His hands.

You don't seek assistance from someone whom you already have doubts on.

God bless

CodeTemplar:
@EnthronedByGod, I am really restraining myself from engaging certain characters like I did before.

You're restraining yourself because you're really nothing but just a bonafide and confirmed cry baby

CodeTemplar:
The reason I asked about restitution and repentance is the popular notion among youths that they can safely afford to belong to something (a club or cult) and make money for themselves with it before accepting Christ, then enjoy their salvation booty.

Your warped mind and obsession with mammon doesnt make you realise that God is not mocked. Whats the guarantee, that the alleged youths after they make the filthy lucre, will live to enjoy it, huh? Reason this ting well nah, hmm? Even when pesin dey cry, pesin sabi still dey see road nah.

"Enjoy their salvation booty" indeed. Nothing wey miguard, no go, from house gate, see wetin pass road. Wetin vigilante no go see and read for evening. "... salvation booty" indeed. Smh

CodeTemplar:
You may have noticed the guy mentioning me and sampling scriptures that aren't relevant to these points and clearly out of context. I don't want to be seen as the one derailing but may have to reply.

The Luke 12:20 and Galatians 6:7 scriptures went swoosh over your head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "you didn't know warris going on"

CodeTemplar:
I don't want to be seen as the one derailing but may have to reply.

If truth is revealed then the thread isnt derailed. Why not open more threads than the one you've already opened and notify me about it, if you're unable to say anything here, hmm?

EnthronedbyGod:
So you can agree to make a plea with the EFCC for the sake of avoiding trouble, but you're here indirectly discouraging a young man whom I advised to restitute.

CaveAdullam has agreed to make a plea with the EFCC because it is the right thing to do and it is within his powers to do so. CaveAdullam has not discouraged restitution. CaveAdullam has not once knocked restitution. Now watch CodeTemplar have a sudden clever idea, based on coming from reading this comment, that CaveAdullam is MuttleyLaff, just as MuttleyLaff is jesusjnr

EnthronedbyGod:
So saving face is more important to you, than making peace with people you wronged before your salvation.

Well you just justified my stance on restitution, with your answer.

Where and how did "saving face being important than making peace with people you wronged" creep into the matter on ground now, erhn. Even if one tried, you couldn't make this stuff up! You couldn't even write it for a movie script.

EnthronedbyGod:
please don't argue any further, cos I'll ignore

Typical narcissist attitude and the dropping testicles threat to ignore response.

Fyi, CaveAdullam has not at any time argued. What CaveAdullam has done, was he presented fact(s), truth and reality that total or complete restitution is impossible and further added by advising to go by however the Holy Spirit leads the concerned about doing or going about restitution, but your problem is you are on a power trip with a cringingly imposing air about you. You're not listening, you switch off to what interlocutors like CaveAdullam or MuttleyLaff have said, because you're unconsciously arrogant and hate being countermanded by any other person, like for example CaveAdullam, who had a better and more rounded information than the one you put forward. You're not just a hogger but you also think of yourself, as who is CaveAdullam and/or MuttleyLaff to stand up to you and that its only you who gives roadside directions and/or lessons on the thread

EnthronedbyGod:
We can now agree to disagree.

CaveAdullam, when your point is stronger than theirs, you'll often find people, just like OP, resorting to saying, "we can now agree to disagree" All in attempts to stop the truth coming forward or out.

"Agree to disagree" is a statement or slogan repeated frequently by most narcissists, when they can’t accept being wrong and/or proven inaccurate.

EnthronedbyGod:
I must admit that I'm very proud of you and your actions so far.

I know what's the appropriate response to a comment like this, but I will just bite my tongue, so I dont offend God and neighbour.

EnthronedbyGod:
That guy is also quoting me intentionally, but as you can see I ignored him.

I quote you, so you'll see the error in your ways. I know that good advice is always certain to be ignored but thats not a good enough reason or excuse for me, not to give it, even if I can see you take pride in your performance behaving like the proverbial tetchy miguard gateman.

You ignore because you cant stand being stood up to and by someone who is not the typical indoctrinated sheeple. You're used to people yessirring you left, right, centre, top and bottom, but forget say, nobi for one man's roof, rain dey only fall.

EnthronedbyGod:
God bless you for your self control.

You forgot to add: "Keep up the "good" work" to join.

EnthronedbyGod:



You have my email, talk to me via mail

,sir I don't have it

EnthronedbyGod:



I must admit that I'm very proud of you and your actions so far.

That guy is also quoting me intentionally, but as you can see I ignored him.

God bless you for your self control.

Good to know. You must have noticed the pattern of one user account posting things them another combative user account stepping up to interpret and taking it personal to explain another man's idea.
The whole basis for his sustained attack on me now is that I do not that realize or know that "God cannot be mocked" - a scripture I probably used over a dozen times on Nairaland.

Back to topic, what do you make of seers and diviners or divinations?
I asked because I see a strong link between them and cultists. What are the effects of divination on the one being assessed or the victim so to say? In fact I believe almost all new members get researched by an old member and wonder the most effective way to about avoiding such for unwilling 'potentials'.

I felt if people are aware of consequences of their actions they will understand better the far reaching consequences of cultism and occult practises and stay clear of it.

CodeTemplar:
Good to know.

Good to know what, hmm? Give it a rest. Your beloved EnthronedbyGod isnt admitting to you that you're grabbing the wrong end of the stick. You're a real hard-case incorrigible and one of the whiniest posters I've ever come across on NL.

CodeTemplar:
You must have noticed the pattern of one user account posting things them another combative user account stepping up to interpret and taking it personal to explain another man's idea.

Another agreeing user account steps up to corroborate what a previous user account has put forward. There is nothing being personal in doing that, its being just pleased to read that someone else out there, has similar school of thought

CodeTemplar:
The whole basis for his sustained attack on me now is that I do not that realize or know that "God cannot be mocked" - a scripture I probably used over a dozen times on Nairaland

"The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none,
but knowledge comes easily to the discerning"
- Proverbs 14:6

Would always asking more questions, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

You really think higly of yourself to be worth attacked, hmm?. If you do realize or know that "God cannot be mocked", then you wouldnt be advancing the thought that some people believe they are that clever enough to pull a fast one of God, by obtaining filthy lucre and then later sit back without repercussions to comfortably enjoy it

CodeTemplar:
Back to topic, what do you make of seers and diviners or divinations?
I asked because I see a strong link between them and cultists. What are the effects of divination on the one being assessed or the victim so to say? In fact I believe almost all new members get researched by an old member and wonder the most effective way to about avoiding such for unwilling 'potentials'.

I felt if people are aware of consequences of their actions they will understand better the far reaching consequences of cultism and occult practises and stay clear of it.

The Bible both in the Old Testament and New Testament is very clear about it position and/or stance against seers and diviners or divinations, psychic or clairvoyance. They are all what the devil uses as workshops. The devil also takes advantages of and uses readily gullible tools who make themselves available as soon as when getting involved in cultism and occult practices.

I usually say, if you pry and stare into darkness, be mindful that the darkness too, might just, turn round and stare back at you. God help the person, who hasnt a light to stand up to and defy the darkness with, or if there's no one around to hand over a torchlight or candle, to help the person with and pronto get out of the frigging black abyss. That person will just holler, scream blue murder, like the winch of Endor, when the demon stares back at him/her.

Using kosher or halal, in this instance, just as a matter of borrowing a parlance. The gifts which will be kosher or halal (i.e. appropriate) when put side by side with psychic, clairvoyance, diviners, seers etcetera are godly spiritual gifts: the spiritual gift word of knowledge, gift of discerning of spirits and gift of prophecy

Hello EnthronedbyGod, I really appreciate the work you are doing here and I pray for an increase of the grace of God upon u. Have really followed this topic and have been blessed through it. Please I sent you a pm , there are issues bothering me that I will like to discuss with you through mail. Remain blessed.

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@EnthronedbyGod, @finalboss @tabletman @tomtween1
EnthronedbyGod may the grace of God be with you. I don’t comment on Religion thread and avoided commenting on this but you have succeeded in forcing me out.
You started this thread condemning the catholic hierarchy but i continued to follow even encouraged others to follow it as you have some expository that will enrich people spiritually.
Unfortunately, along the line, you left the mission of expository of spiritual aspect of cultism and delved into Catholic Church and trying hard to turn this beautiful thread into a denominational bashing and counter argument.
Please face the cult you are well versed in and stop drawing unnecessary attention because Catholics hardly reply such bashing.
I am highly amazed that not less than 10 years after your conversion, you are now an authority in catholic doctrines that have withstood centuries, starting from the dark ages to the present. You questions the infallibility of pope (I bet you do not know what it means), priests unmarried life, intercession of the saints etc.
@tabletman being attacked in his spirit and dreams after coming in contact with this thread is in another level entirely and I regret ever encouraging anybody to continue with this thread.
I will not ask you to desist from condemning the Catholic Church as you always insist that you write according to the direction of the Holy Spirit but always try to sieve your personal opinion from direction of Holy Spirit.
Peace be unto you.

Why are you threatening him to desist from talking about the falsehood of the Catholic organization? If there's truth in her, her fruits shall be made manifest, if not the fruits shall show as they are showing everywhere.

I think we shd stop concerning ourselves with Church organizations but rather focus on the salvation of our souls, because las las, na our soul go stand before Christ, no be Church organization.

Here is what the Word of God says;


Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

When the Lord comes to judge us, our Church denominations wont be a requirement for acquittal or condemnation.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
On that day, it shall be 'he who served God and who served him not'. Not the church you attended.

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

That day shall not respect persons or class.

Repent today and accept the New Nature offered by Jesus today.