₦airaland Forum

dokyOloye:
Why comment on what you don't fully understand?
Let me give you an example, a lab scientist is trained to run test,with a little background scientific knowledge of the basis of diseases.
A pathologist is a doctor who specializes in laboratory tests with a deep knowledge of clinical basis, signs and symptoms, etc of diseases.
B/w d a test done by a scientist and a pathologist, which will you consider more reliable?
Do you know sometimes, a patient goes in for surgery, loses blood, then does a test to check d blood level and it comes out higher than d one b4 the surgery and the scientists pushes it out like that to d doctor.Meanwhile all d clinical info is on d request form.Now this error might not be a human error but due to spoilt reagent,equipment etc.
Now a pathologist will likely dismiss d result,collect another sample and repeat d test.
With a knowledge of d foregoing, who should be heading d lab?
Who was d first lab scientist?
Who was d first pharmacist?
All are doctors.

What then is the duty of the lab scientists, pharmacists etc.Why not shut down everything so the doctors can handle them? I await your response on this

EVILFOREST:
This is what u get from LAB. SCIENTISTS In Nigeria, meanwhile their colleagues out there in the overseas are making WAVES in research....
They are after SALARY EQUITY and SHOULDER RUBBING...this stems from cumulative envy and hatred for the medical doctors.

Don't WORRY, very Soon the MEDICAL DOCTORS will all Leave and spaces will be created for u all to exercise ur Skills in Medical Practice....
Then Let's see if NATIVE DOCTORS won't do better ....

See how myopic your brain is?

So the doctors should be doing the work of a scientist eh... Fool

dokyOloye:
Take an easy de lie.
Doctors/pathologists who are usually very few in number came and "chased" scientists who are usually plenty like flies away.
Doctors want to do d jobs of pharmacists,how?Dispense drugs?Abi work in pharmaceutical companies to constitute drugs?
Doctors want to do d job of radiographers,how?
The doctor you saw was operating an x-ray machine?

Na so una de take deceive public but when shiit hits d fan,all of una go run ,doctors will take d blame.
Why do you think nurses have never protested the fact that doctors do nursing work in the intensive care unit and SCBUs where premature babies are nursed?
I just de pity d general public.

Oga..whether you like it or not,Pharmacists roles has evolved and they no longer just dispense. You better update yourself on WHO best pharmacy practice

Damianpaul:
Let me start by saying clarifying some impressions
1. Medical Doctors here represented refers to a specialists in medicine called Pathologists
2. Pathologists are medical specialists recognized and practicing all over the world.
3. Pathologists usually practice in Tertiary health settings where specialized care is offered.
4. Pathologists have laboratory expertise and clinical training and so help to manage complicated cases with other Medical Specialists.
5. There is No form of interference between a Pathologist and A Lab Scientist..
6. Lab Scientists in Nigeria have a morbid fear of Pathologists because of their personal interests.
7. Lab Scientists interns and even Students attacked Pathologists in training with no just cause
8. Even after intervention of senior members of Management and the DVC UniCal, they destroyed hospital property.
9. Lab Scientists have just shot themselves in the foot with their barbaric behavior.
10. Watch this space for more details.

Can u listen to yourself?


What was a medical doctor doing in a science Laboratory in the first place?


Did the fight happen in the theater?



How can a Medical Laboratory Scientist destroy his own equipment?


I put it to you that the doctors came to the Laboratory to fight the scientists and thereby broke those equipments....


You suck at telling the truth jhooor



Toad!

What's the reason for all this rancour?

Beating up anybody is a crime.If I were the victim, I will sue the offender to court.

dayleke:
This has been brewing for the longest time.
The lines have been drawn.
Why can't everyone just do their job?

PATIENTS FIRST!!!!!

The attackers should be arrested and charge to court for assault/attempted murder of fellow workers and will full damage to properties.

Nigerians must learn to work with civility and stop committing crimes while hiding under the umbrella of unionism.

Elukapendragon:
Can u listen to yourself?


What was a medical doctor doing in a science Laboratory in the first place?


Did the fight happen in the theater?



How can a Medical Laboratory Scientist destroy his own equipment?


I put it to you that the doctors came to the Laboratory to fight the scientists and thereby broke those equipments....


You suck at telling the truth jhooor



Toad!

oyatz:
Nigerians must learn . . . civility .

Yeah right.

dumodust:
You don't know who a pathologist is... Your whole medical laboratory technology field, they created it. You're a mere technician... Stop fronting for the public and girls on nairaland, doctors are raiding your department daily and your women are succumbing because they know.
We are sorry, you can't head a hospital lab, you are not authorized for quality control, you have no license to interphase with patients, the knowledge you think you have, sadly you do not. This is the plain truth, if you are so good, pls treat yourself and your relations and stop ranting online only to slip in through the back door of a clinic to whisper to the doctors. You guys are now the biggest threat to public health with your mushroom labs everywhere concocting results and culturing staff, even prescribing dangerously and promoting bacterial resistance.
You all know nothing and are after your pockets.
If this trend continues, all doctors will completely start boycotting all test results and investigations unsupervised and unauthorized by medical specialists in charge of that area. It will get to that point and we will see who will have a job. The older generation didn't deal with it decisively, we will do so in the interest of patient safety for which we are responsible and will be liable for

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_laboratory_scientist
You are not smart, dear. It's all because of the ego. There is no hospital in the developed world that doesn't have a laboratory and these laboratories are headed by a medical laboratory scientist. Even in the UK, they have a consultant medical laboratory scientist. You are so fixated the only you're corrupt environment.

r2b:
If you are being told lies about pathologist being superstar in the UK, na lie. In the first instance Biomedical Scientist and Doctors don't have any reason to brush because they are both allowed to get to the climax of their profession without hindrance unlike the way doctors go about trying to stop other professionals here. We have Consultants that are Biomedical Scientist, Nurses, Physiotherapist and Pharmacist in the UK. Anyone with the right requisite education can train to become Clinical Scientist otherwise called Pathologist. It is not an exclusive preserve of any health professional. Doctors in the UK are very civil and respects their biomedical colleagues, I have had course to interact with them and found them to be a clear departure from the bossy ones we have here.

I wish I can like this 100000000000 like time

chiedozie198100:
the truth is that doctors have started losing releance in Nigeria (i know u will doubt me

but how many times have u walked into a hospital when you fall sick?

u first port of call is a lab or a "chemist".

it's only in very serious emergencies that u look for a doctor.

I have doctor friends who have started attaching themselves to labs n big pharmacies.

when dem been dey tells dem say the consultancy fees paid in clinics were high n unnecessary, they did not know it would chase patients away.

This is wrong practice even though am a medical laboratory scientist. The only test I know I can do for a patient without asking him if he/ she has seen a doctor is FBS, genotype and blood group. But the doctor won't know their limit. Sometime after performing a test for a patient, he/she will ask me to help her explain the result, I would ignored because I don't want the patient to question the doctor unnecessarily but the Doctor will always want to step into other professions.

oneman2k7:
Stop ranting bro, what doctors can't get through the court of competent jurisdiction, they cannot get it through emotions on social media, the law is very clear sir, doctor can't head the lab, it is an abbreviation to international best practice and aliens to Nigerian law. If u like call erudite medical laboratory scientists a technician or even bricklayers, they still remain the owner of medical laboratories. An era where doctors are termed omniscience is gone for good. The authority we have in laboratory diagnosis and testing still remain a trained medical laboratory scientists. The ealiers doctor recognise professional authonomy of medical laboratory scientists, the better. Emotions and name calling will never give doctors the medical laboratory science department. Patients are at the centre of all medical professionals who are rendering one services or d other to better her treatment. The ego and overselousness of Nigerian physicians is killing Nigeria healthcare as been rated as one of the worst in the world. Stop ranting once again

Like I said, stop looking for relevance... If you have to look for it and buttress your points, it was never there... The patients will choose in due time... Keep quacking

beamtopola:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_laboratory_scientist
You are not smart, dear. It's all because of the ego. There is no hospital in the developed world that doesn't have a laboratory and these laboratories are headed by a medical laboratory scientist. Even in the UK, they have a consultant medical laboratory scientist. You are so fixated the only you're corrupt environment.

Is the UK I practiced in or another UK? I never encountered a med lab scientist because I had no need to talkless of a consultant med lab , if I need questions answered about results, there's a pathology department or haematology with consultants and residents that have call bleeps.
Like I said, stop spreading false info to impress the public that you matter. I never worked with consultant nurses though we had nurses that helped and we're good. Physiotherapists were never called consultants, they knew there jobs when invited.
Pharmacists were mostly on their own and they were never consultants in the UK, they just did their jobs, checked the drugs orescribed, checked allergies and interactions and supplied. They never hung stethoscopes or touched the patients.
Stop impressing local people who haven't travelled with your fake ojuelegba stories

chiedozie198100:
the truth is that doctors have started losing releance in Nigeria (i know u will doubt me

but how many times have u walked into a hospital when you fall sick?

u first port of call is a lab or a "chemist".

it's only in very serious emergencies that u look for a doctor.

i have doctor friends who have started attaching themselves to labs n big pharmacies.

when dem been dey tell dem say the consultancy fees paid in clinics were high n unnecessary, they did not know it would chase patients away.

The quacks have arrived!
These are the killers you hear of, they are not doctors

dumodust:
Is the UK I practiced in or another UK? I never encountered a med lab scientist because I had no need to talkless of a consultant med lab , if I need questions answered about results, there's a pathology department or haematology with consultants and residents that have call bleeps.
Like I said, stop spreading false info to impress the public that you matter. I never worked with consultant nurses though we had nurses in urology that helped and we're good. Physiotherapists were never called consultants, they knew there jobs when invited.
Pharmacists were mostly on their own and they were never consultants in the UK, they just did their jobs, checked the drugs orescribed, checked allergies and interactions and supplied. They never hung stethoscopes or touched the patients.
Stop impressing local people who haven't travelled with your fake ojuelegba stories

May be you are doing a cleaner job over there. I gave you the information with source. I know you are somewhere under bridge in lagos.

dokyOloye:
How does the pathologist whose work starts and ends in d lab know d state of the patient when he'snot d surgeon?
The same clinical information on the lab request form which the scientists glance over is what he bases on.
4 days ago,I was called to see a patient in my friend's clinic cos he wasn't around.
Patient was brought in unconscious, known diabetic and did a test in a private lab 2 days b4 d incidence.
Turned out his random blood sugar was 475mg/dl,d lab scientist who ran d test told him to GO HOME, TAKE HIS DRUGS AND REST instead of telling him to rush to the nearest hospital.
Now,if it were a pathologist that told him that,I would've speedily reported him to the medical council cos it was war b4 the man could be resuscitated, veins were already collapsed.
You see why a scientist can never suffice for a pathologist.
Well,you will never understand, I just pity d masses you ppl use as cannon fodder for your ego trip.

These people are just on a mission to kill off Nigerian patients, it's endemic in the public and I wonder when it became legal for medical lab scientists to prescribe and inject things. They have no medical license which makes it a crime.
A lot of people will be in jail in the future when patients start to go to court

beamtopola:
May be you are doing a cleaner job over there. I gave you the information with source. I know you are somewhere under bridge in lagos.

The typical response by quacks ��
Guy... When did you go to the UK? Quote a reference here pls and stop yacking. I have never seen anybody advertise for consultant pharmacist, physiotherapists or nurses on NHS jobs website.
People pls Google 'NHS jobs' and search for yourself.
You must be a consultant cleaner or mopper I guess

dumodust:
Like I said, stop looking for relevance... If you have to look for it and buttress your points, it was never there... The patients will choose in due time... Keep quacking

Unfortunately u are not making any meaningful sense, I said before that emotions and name calling will not diminish the status of a registered medical laboratory scientists. I will advise that u tell your medical colleagues to stop quakery by practicing what they know nothing about

dumodust:
Is the UK I practiced in or another UK? I never encountered a med lab scientist because I had no need to talkless of a consultant med lab , if I need questions answered about results, there's a pathology department or haematology with consultants and residents that have call bleeps.
Like I said, stop spreading false info to impress the public that you matter. I never worked with consultant nurses though we had nurses that helped and we're good. Physiotherapists were never called consultants, they knew there jobs when invited.
Pharmacists were mostly on their own and they were never consultants in the UK, they just did their jobs, checked the drugs orescribed, checked allergies and interactions and supplied. They never hung stethoscopes or touched the patients.
Stop impressing local people who haven't travelled with your fake ojuelegba stories

You must have actually practiced as a cleaner in the UK hospital or mistaken your village hospital for a UK hospital.
This is an example of a consultant biomedical Scientist in the UK, he also a fellow of Institute of Biomedical laboratory Science (FIBMS) and Royal college of pathology (FRCPATH)

There are many of them in the UK you claimed to practice, and yours truly have had the honour of working with some of these cerebral colleagues during my molecular research.

dumodust:
The typical response by quacks ��
Guy... When did you go to the UK? Quote a reference here pls and stop yacking. I have never seen anybody advertise for consultant pharmacist, physiotherapists or nurses on NHS jobs website.
People pls Google 'NHS jobs' and search for yourself.
You must be a consultant cleaner or mopper I guess

You can never see cause you don't steady fast your brain. Just read the source I gave to you, there isn't any source more reliable than Wikipedia. Mind you, there isn't any western country hospital that doesn't have a medical laboratory. Just stop commenting with emotion.

Sctests:
You must have actually practiced as a cleaner in the UK hospital or mistaken your village hospital for a UK hospital.
This is an example of a consultant biomedical Scientist in the UK, he also a fellow of Institute of Biomedical laboratory Science (FIBMS) and Royal college of pathology (FRCPATH)

There are many of them in the UK you claimed to practice, and yours truly have had the honour of working with some of these cerebral colleagues during my molecular research.

That's is how they keep deceiving their self. If really she/he is a doctor in uk, believe me he will be so humble like a someone who just had a cold water bath.

GhostWisperer:
what research have medical doctors carried out in Nigeria.

Una still dey depend on the West to treat old sicknesses like TB, malaria .

Ordinarily CS surgery una go open the full belle and disfigure the patient for life. Ordinary fibroid dey hard una. Una medical books and practice is still last century research work of Mongo Park era.

And una proud pass peacock with nothing upstairs. That's why US and UK health establishments no dey accept una without exams.

But dem dey accept Ghana & Cotonou without exams ba

Fools full naija walahi...na only this country I dey see how pure unadulterared hate can make someone permanently stupid & mentally disabled for life

mediclife1987:
But dem dey accept Ghana & Cotonou without exams ba

Fools full naija walahi...na only this country I dey see how pure unadulterared hate can make someone permanently stupid & mentally disabled for life

So because of your irreversible mental retardation, you're now pairing Nigeria and Benin Republic and Ghana is same boat? When they are not even part of the subject matter of this thread?

I don't know if you're looking at the world through a drug-fogged glass or you're thinking with a brain permanently damaged from cheap intoxicants.

But describing you as an idiot is an understatement.

Somehow, you're biologically compromised and mutated evolutionarily.

What a despicable slip of humanity!

dayleke:
It's division of labor we talking about here.
Everyone knows their job now. Will a lab scientist be prescribing drugs? No.
Will a Dr be reading plates on d bench? Probably but ma scientist work.
Will a Dr be filling out prescriptions? No . Na pharmacist work na.
Why can't we all just get along and let each pesin do their job?

So na Pharmacist dey fill out prescriptions? Naija which way now?

mediclife1987:
So na Pharmacist dey fill out prescriptions? Naija which way now?

It seems you didn't get my point.
Each discipline has its job cut out for them.
Eg, Drs see patients, write prescriptions n order lab tests
Pharmacist fill it out.
Lab scientists/technologists perform d diagnostic tests.
Nurses do d care of d pts.
Etc. Etc

GhostWisperer:
So because of your irreversible mental retardation, you're now pairing Nigeria and Benin Republic and Ghana is same boat? When they are not even part of the subject matter of this thread?

I don't know if you're looking at the world through a drug-fogged glass or you're thinking with a brain permanently damaged from cheap intoxicants.

But describing you as an idiot is an understatement.

Somehow, you're biologically compromised and mutated evolutionarily.

What a despicable slip of humanity!

You stated Nigerians aren't taken abroad without writing exams, hope you know even oyinbo Doctor that graduated in the US or UK still writes the same exams?

I've been reading your responses on here so far and you are good in wasting words, just to end up not making any sense. From your 2nd Paragraph all you succeeded in doing is spewing junks and saying nothing.

Honorable Patrick wannabe...

dayleke:
It seems you didn't get my point.
Each discipline has its job cut out for them.
Eg, Drs see patients, write prescriptions n order lab tests
Pharmacist fill it out.
Lab scientists/technologists perform d diagnostic tests.
Nurses do d care of d pts.
Etc. Etc

Guy all over the world, Doctors write prescriptions. There's a reason developed countries won't sell you even VitaminC without a "Doctor's Prescription".

What do you gain in intentionally misleading the public for God's sake? Your loved ones could suffer it's consequences too you know?

mediclife1987:
You stated Nigerians aren't taken abroad without writing exams, hope you know even oyinbo Doctor that graduated in the US or UK still writes the same exams?

I've been reading your responses on here so far and you are good in wasting words, just to end up not making any sense. From your 2nd Paragraph all you succeeded in doing is spewing junks and saying nothing.

Honorable Patrick wannabe...

let's start from your name, Mediclife.

You see, you, like most Nigerian doctors, are suffering form what I call attention deficit Syndrome and chronic low self-esteem.

You're a quack and a medical fraud!

Who cares if you're a doctor? But you come up with a stupid moniker to let the whole world know you're a doctor. Mediclife.

You see , most of you idiots in medical school got there for ego gratification not for the love of health. That's why you're always fighting with fellow health workers like radiologists, pharmacist, lab scientists, biochemists and all. And coming to nairaland, you chose a fancy name Mediclife for yourself, to let everyone know you're a doctor. You must be a daft and a unadulterated idiot, you know.

Mumu, coming to your stupidity, Nigerian medical doctors aren't automatically accepted in the UK and US. Period.

You're bringing Benin and Ghana. Idiot. Why not bring south Africa or Egypy?

Daft+

dokyOloye:
Why comment on what you don't fully understand?
Let me give you an example, a lab scientist is trained to run test,with a little background scientific knowledge of the basis of diseases.
A pathologist is a doctor who specializes in laboratory tests with a deep knowledge of clinical basis, signs and symptoms, etc of diseases.
B/w d a tests done by a scientist and a pathologist, which will you consider more reliable?
Do you know sometimes, a patient goes in for surgery, loses blood, then does a test to check d blood level and it comes out higher than d one b4 the surgery and the scientists pushes it out like that to d doctor.Meanwhile all d clinical info is on d request form.Now this error might not be a human error but due to spoilt reagent,equipment etc.
Now a pathologist will likely dismiss d result,collect another sample and repeat d test.
With a knowledge of d foregoing, who should be heading d lab?
Who was d first lab scientist?
Who was d first pharmacist?
All are doctors.

@Ningi2020


Don't mind @dokyOloye and this his fake illustration.



Medical Laboratory scientists quality control results!!



Giving instance with Hb Level that a Student Medical Laboratory Scientist can actually tell factors that can give rise to increase or decrease Hb level.

Try again!

ceaser:
It's the lab scientists that you still see referring to 'emselves as "lab doctors" abi? That is even nothing. They have their own problems too within their rank; scientists vs technicians and it is a big thing, soon to get uglier than scientists against doctors.

And well, other "budding" disciplines too use to stethoscope as a means of identification and are gradually adopting the "dr" prefix such that very soon, every personnel in the hospital environment, from the accountant down to the orderly will need to be called a doctor.

Funny enough, regardless of the fact that they are the ones expected to, I don't see doctors crazy about this fad of sticking stethoscopes to their dashboards or rear view mirrors but other hospital non-doctor employees have adopted this style. Now does that not mean some complex issues?

I think with this upsurge of kidnapping for ransom, no doctor would even wanna risk advertising himself as a potential prey so as many as possible can decide to carry the stethoscopes around. Even the engineers, lawyers, hospital admin staff are free to if they so desire. It's really not about what you display, is it? It's basically about the skills that gives you away as the real doctor.

What u wish for, does not and will never exist.

I am sure your are not informed!!!!.

Sctests:
You must have actually practiced as a cleaner in the UK hospital or mistaken your village hospital for a UK hospital.
This is an example of a consultant biomedical Scientist in the UK, he also a fellow of Institute of Biomedical laboratory Science (FIBMS) and Royal college of pathology (FRCPATH)

There are many of them in the UK you claimed to practice, and yours truly have had the honour of working with some of these cerebral colleagues during my molecular research.

The guy works for viapath ( notice the consultant statement was made after viapath was formed, an independent private organization). In the NHS, he was never mentioned as that with patients., even an electrician can consult for private organisations on matters related to wiring like all technical issues including lab technology . I'm talking of consultant in hospitals slowpoke, people that handle issues related to direct patient care. You can consult on the technical aspects and help with supervised work but as per bringing it to patient care directly, that can't happen. It's the same in the US.
it doesnt take the professional out of the guy, he's good in what he does and I'm sure if you send him an email, he will explain slowly in simple terms that you can understand that he works via consultant pathologists.
Like I said, go on NHS jobs and find me a job offer for consultant to a med laboratory technologist or search the NHS for one existing. Don't give me viapath

oneman2k7:
Unfortunately u are not making any meaningful sense, I said before that emotions and name calling will not diminish the status of a registered medical laboratory scientists. I will advise that u tell your medical colleagues to stop quakery by practicing what they know nothing about

You my friend are the blockhead in this matter, stop trying to elevate yourself, you are where you are currently because you knew nothing since primary and secondary school. Mediocrity never pays and won't pay now, try politics or switch careers to NURTW