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blueAgent:
If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.
“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5

this blinded and confused beelzebubAgent also thinks that trinity
doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, laugh

it comprehends nothing

blueAgent:
The trinity doctrine says there are:
3 beings who are co-eternal
3 beings who are all immortal
3 beings who are all powerful, all
knowing etc.
3 beings who are worthy of worship and
praise
3 beings each acting a different role
So if all three members of the Godhead then they are script playing father and son ?

Paul is warning you.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that
Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that
denieth the Father and the Son .
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same
hath not the Father : but he that
acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father
also. ” 1 John 2:22-23
“And this is life eternal, that they might
know you the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom you have sent. ” John 17:3
“He that believeth on the Son has
everlasting life : and he that believeth not
the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of
God abideth on him. ” John 3:36
“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31

you see your problem? You dont even know what Trinity is you just gobble anything watch tower throw at you
Trinity is never three beings.

[quote author=blueAgent post=81994309][/quote]If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

Yes that what in wrote in the article, God gave birth to Jesus,

The BEGOTTEN should be understood literally that why Jesus is called Son.

Am not a JW I cannot speak on what I don't know.

solite3:
you see your problem? You dont even know what Trinity is you just gobble anything watch tower throw at you
Trinity is never three beings.

There is no argument or evidence for whatever you claim trinity is.

johnw47:
this blinded and confused beelzebubAgent also thinks that trinity doesn't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, laugh
it comprehends nothing

So explain to me what trinity is?

johnw47:
this blinded and confused beelzebubAgent thinks that trinity
doesn't believe that Jesus came in the flesh, ha ha
such a know nothing of no understanding, and false accuser like satan:

Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Anti-Christ.

johnw47:
trinity is three persons Father, Son and Holy Spirit being the one God

but this confused blinded false accuser says trinity is Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the same person as the Father, laugh

How can God be father and son at the same time?

johnw47:
this blinded confused lying beelzebubAgent
like false jw's cannot stop lying, it's why he sides with them
birds of a feather



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

But the Bible calls anyone who denies that Jesus is not the literal son of God an ANTI- CHRIST.

johnw47:
trinity is three persons Father, Son and Holy Spirit being the one God

but this confused blinded false accuser says trinity is Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the same person as the Father, laugh

How can God be father and son at the same time?

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

Here is one more example to consider
that many have overlooked. Revelation1:1 states, “The Revelation of Jesus
Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant
John: ” This revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God. Why would Christ need His Father to reveal these things to
Him if He knew all things? See also Gill's Commentary on John 10:30 in relation
to Mark 13:32.
This also reveals that Jesus cannot be the one true God the Father as the trinity doctrine claims. Was Jesus
Always Immortal?
The Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus Christ is co-equal with His Father in every way. Thus it is claimed that since
the Father cannot die, then His Son cannot die either. But the Bible says
there is only One person who cannot die and He is God the Father. The Bible says
when Jesus appears that He will show, “who is the blessed and only Potentate,
the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and
everlasting power. ” 1 Timothy 6:15-16 .
This can only be our Heavenly Father for
He is the One whom “No man hath seen... at any time. ” John 1:18 . The
Father is the one “ who alone has
immortality. ” Yet we know that one day we will “put on immortality.” 1
Corinthians 15:53
So when the Bible says the Father “ alone has immortality” it must mean immortality in an absolute and unlimited
sense. The Bible reveals that the Father
is the only One who cannot die under any circumstances. Jesus was made
subject to death and “ died for our sins. ”
1 Corinthians 15:3 . Man can die, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ” Ezekiel 18:20 . Angels can die, “everlasting fire,”
is “prepared for the devil and his angels. ” Matthew 25:41 . God said to Satan, “I will
bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to
ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee... and never shalt thou be any more. ” Ezekiel 28:18-19 . So
it is true that the Father is the only person who cannot die under any circumstances, which excludes His Son who tasted death for every man ”
Hebrews 2:9 . So Christ was not
immortal when He was here and the primary reason for Him becoming a human was so that He could die for our
sins. The Son of God suffered a real death for our sins. (Isaiah 53:6 and 1 John 2:2 ).

blueAgent:
How can God be father and son at the same time?

you couldn't comprehend that or anything oh one of no understanding

blueAgent:
But the Bible calls anyone who denies that Jesus is not the literal son of God an ANTI- CHRIST.

ha ha confusion in your every post

blueAgent:
How can God be father and son at the same time?

repeating yourself oh know nothing, see your confusion yet, of course not you have been blinded, laugh

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blueAgent:
So explain to me what trinity is?

beelzebubAgent you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to one of absolute no understanding

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

i will point out how duh you are though

blueAgent:
Anti-Christ.

laughing, says false accuser beelzebubAgent, son of your daddy the devil

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

beelzebubAgent
your comrades in false beliefs the false jw's say you will be killed at armageddon

johnw47:
you couldn't comprehend that or anything oh one of no understanding








ha ha confusion in your every post







repeating yourself oh know nothing, see your confusion yet, of course not you have been blinded, laugh

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It's obvious you cannot explain the fraud you claim.

Let me ask you this question without God will Jesus exist?

blueAgent:
It's obvious you cannot explain the fraud you claim.

Let me ask you this question without God will Jesus exist?

oh most stupid one, you think i would chat with a sewer mouth false accuser

blueAgent:
Anti-Christ.

beelzebubAgent beware of armageddon

I don't know if you are a Christian.
let me enlighten you a little:

1) John 1:1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. (here, Jesus is the word)

2) John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us ( Jesus is the word that became flesh which is God)
the above 2 scriptures proved that Jesus is God.
Trinity is same as God the Father, son and the Holy Spirit Matthew 28:19

Arguments on social media will never change anything, because each commentator have decided on what he or she will settle for. But to get to the root of all these, what a right thinking persons ought to do is go straight to the answer of this difficult question then try to correlate the answer to the workings of each argumentator.

For instance, the one who knows best regarding this is Jesus of Nazareth. He said so much about those who will prove to be his true followers during the time when the world suffers great commotion.

Why not just go straight to the identification marks foretold by Jesus himself? So that any religious group that fails to meet up with his foretold marks is cast out as a failure. And anyone discarding the idea of a unique group surely is afraid of been cast out as part of those who failed woefully.

Certainly if Jesus' true followers exist today, the whole world should be able to single them out amongst all other religious groups as one body of a happy global family of peace loving worshipers. Because that's exactly what Jesus seriously prayed for! John 17:20-23

Whoever discards such a proof is surely saying Jesus is nobody, because there is no other person God will grant any request before that of his only begotten son who prayed to his father for a global family of peace loving worshipers to be globally recognised as ONE BODY! John 13:34-35

Owologbo:
I don't know if you are a Christian.
let me enlighten you a little:

1) John 1:1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. (here, Jesus is the word)

2) John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us ( Jesus is the word that became flesh which is God)
the above 2 scriptures proved that Jesus is God.
Trinity is same as God the Father, son and the Holy Spirit Matthew 28:19

Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not.
Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say?
THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high
God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1
time.
JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6
times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times.
HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times;
'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of
Christ' 2 times.
TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

Wayo solite3 wey no get sense, continue to lie..
Psalms 90:2,how did Jehovah "born the mountains " and "gave birth to the earth? "

** Psalms 90:2
"Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God"

born, create, give birth ,brought forth, produce (beget= begotten, past tense/past participle of beget)
These 6 words are synonymous.
The Hebrew word "qanah" covers all of them.

solite3:
@1) You see your problem? You dont even know what Trinity is you just gobble anything watch tower throw at you.

@2)
Trinity is never three beings.

Wayo solite3 wey no get sense. U sabi LIE well well.


Trinity


"The Trinity holds that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature". Wikipedia


@2) A person (whether human or spirit) is a being.

solite3:
The word translated as beginning means Arche
Which can either be translated as
1. The ruler
2.first
3. Origin
The word arche can somehow be interpreted as ruler
It cannot be interpreted as first created the book of John has already silenced any notion that christ is part of the creation.
The most accurate word be origin or source which agree with the other scriptures.

The new word translation is wrong to have interpreted Rev 3:14 as the first of the creation by God since John already told us that All things created was done by Christ.

Wayo solite3 Pharisee & twister...

John1:1 "in the beginning..." does NOT mean 'the ruler..." ,solite3 can't TWIST it.

John 1:1-2says "the Word was with (ho theon) the God ".
PROOF: Jesus is NOT the God.
V3 "The world was made THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him. "
The same word ,THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him" @1Cor8:6. Col 1:16. Heb1:3).
The Greek lexicon is "Dia"= through him, by means of him.. , NOT "by him"
Your KJV, @ Colossians 1:15 says "Jesus is the first born of every creature ".
That expression is very clear enough.
Solite3 LIAR twisting the meaning of beginning.....

Rev3:14 (KJV) "the beginning of the creation of God" . NWT is accurate, in accord with KJV.
Mark 13:19 "..the beginning of creation..."
Mark10:6 "the beginning of creation..."
Phil4:15"the beginning of the gospel "
Mark13:8 "the beginning of birth pangs "
Matt24:21 "the beginning of the world "
Gen49:3 " the beginning of my strength"
"The beginning of (the) creation",
"beginning of the gospel "
"the beginning of birth pangs "
"the beginning of the world",
"the beginning of my strength"

** In ALL of these, "the beginning" means 'the start or first' (Compare Genesis 49:3. Deu21:17. In both instances," the beginning of my strength" is MY FIRSTBORN. "Jesus is firstborn of every creature", Col 1:15,KJV).
@ Rev3:14,he is "the beginning of the creation of God"
"The beginning" at Rev 3:14 does NOT mean 'the ruler', 'source' or originator'


In the same manner, "the beginning of birth pangs " OR "the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the ruler', 'source' or originator' of birth pangs/the world.

blueAgent:
It's obvious you cannot explain the fraud you claim.

it's obvious beelzebubAgent cannot stop lying
"it's obvious i won't explain trinity to one of no understanding", would have been a honest comment

blueAgent: Let me ask you this question without God will Jesus exist?

laugh, it's impossible for Father God not to exist
a idiotic question from a idiotic person of no understanding

oh so duh beelzebubAgent thinks trinity is not believing in the Son of God

the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is the trinity, ha ha, he has no understanding at all
a false accuser like his daddy the devil:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Maximus69:
Arguments on social media will never change anything, because each commentator have decided on what he or she will settle for. But to get to the root of all these, what a right thinking persons ought to do is go straight to the answer of this difficult question then try to correlate the answer to the workings of each argumentator.

For instance, the one who knows best regarding this is Jesus of Nazareth. He said so much about those who will prove to be his true followers during the time when the world suffers great commotion.

Why not just go straight to the identification marks foretold by Jesus himself? So that any religious group that fails to meet up with his foretold marks is cast out as a failure. And anyone discarding the idea of a unique group surely is afraid of been cast out as part of those who failed woefully.

Certainly if Jesus' true followers exist today, the whole world should be able to single them out amongst all other religious groups as one body of a happy global family of peace loving worshipers. Because that's exactly what Jesus seriously prayed for! John 17:20-23

Whoever discards such a proof is surely saying Jesus is nobody, because there is no other person God will grant any request before that of his only begotten son who prayed to his father for a global family of peace loving worshipers to be globally recognised as ONE BODY! John 13:34-35

false jw mad™ max

keep on trying to convince yourself, you may come to believe it one day
surely no christian believes your self righteous puffed up nonsense
no christian of the true faith, that is

Janosky:
Wayo solite3 wey no get sense, continue to lie..
Psalms 90:2,how did Jehovah "born the mountains " and "gave birth to the earth? "

** Psalms 90:2
"Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from beginning to end, you are God"

born, create, give birth ,brought forth, produce (beget= begotten, past tense/past participle of beget)
These 6 words are synonymous.
The Hebrew word "qanah" covers all of them.

@ bold why the insult? This is the fruit watch tower produce.

As for what you wrote there argue it with blue agent

Janosky:
Wayo solite3 wey no get sense. U sabi LIE well well.


Trinity


"The Trinity holds that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature". Wikipedia


@2) A person (whether human or spirit) is a being.

Watch tower zombie
How can you argue against what you dont even know? Because watch tower has brain washed you to hate and spew bile.

Janosky:
Wayo solite3 Pharisee & twister...

John1:1 "in the beginning..." does NOT mean 'the ruler..." ,solite3 can't TWIST it.

John 1:1-2says "the Word was with (ho theon) the God ".
PROOF: Jesus is NOT the God.
V3 "The world was made THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him. "
The same word ,THROUGH ("Dia" by means of ) him" @1Cor8:6. Col 1:16. Heb1:3).
The Greek lexicon is "Dia"= through him, by means of him.. , NOT "by him"
Your KJV, @ Colossians 1:15 says "Jesus is the first born of every creature ".
That expression is very clear enough.
Solite3 LIAR twisting the meaning of beginning.....

Rev3:14 (KJV) "the beginning of the creation of God" . NWT is accurate, in accord with KJV.
Mark 13:19 "..the beginning of creation..."
Mark10:6 "the beginning of creation..."
Phil4:15"the beginning of the gospel "
Mark13:8 "the beginning of birth pangs "
Matt24:21 "the beginning of the world "
Gen49:3 " the beginning of my strength"
"The beginning of (the) creation",
"beginning of the gospel "
"the beginning of birth pangs "
"the beginning of the world",
"the beginning of my strength"

** In ALL of these, "the beginning" means 'the start or first' (Compare Genesis 49:3. Deu21:17. In both instances," the beginning of my strength" is MY FIRSTBORN. "Jesus is firstborn of every creature", Col 1:15,KJV).
@ Rev3:14,he is "the beginning of the creation of God"
"The beginning" at Rev 3:14 does NOT mean 'the ruler', 'source' or originator'


In the same manner, "the beginning of birth pangs " OR "the beginning of the world", CAN NOT mean "the ruler', 'source' or originator' of birth pangs/the world.

without him nothing was made that was made. So how can he be created wirhout himself?

Jehovah witness organisation interpreted Rev 3vv14 as the first creation by God.
When the bible says all things was created by Jesus.

Through Jesus all things both vissible and invisible came into being and he existed before all things that was created.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jehovah witness lie that God did not create all things by Jesus Christ but their lies are clearly exposed by the bible

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created all things by christ Jesus not some things.

John 1:2-3 The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The word was with God at the beginning not created he didnt say God ceated the word and then use him to create all other things but rather the word was already with God except they want to say that the word was created before the beginning which will contradict their proverb 8vv22 claim.

Rev 3 :14 meant Jesus is the source of all creation, which very much agree with the rest of the scriptures. A word can be used differently depending on the message to be passed. Created, begotten, beginning are exmple of words used differently to pass a message.
In proverb 8vv22 It is ridiculous to think that God really created wisdom otherwise it wilould mean God had no wisdom before he created wisdom.
The word created or quanah can also be interpreted as possess , which is of course the rather correct interpretation.
In same way the beginning in Rev 3vv14 cannot be interpreted as first creation which would mean he is part of the creation but the most accurate and sincere rendition is source.

solite3:
@1)
Jehovah witness organisation interpreted Rev 3vv14 as the first creation by God.

2)
When the bible says all things was created by Jesus.

Through Jesus all things both vissible and invisible came into being and he existed before all things that was created.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jehovah witness lie that God did not create all things by Jesus Christ but their lies are clearly exposed by the bible

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God created all things by christ Jesus not some things.

John 1:2-3 The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

,@3)
The word was with God at the beginning not created he didnt say God ceated the word and then use him to create all other things but rather the word was already with God except they want to say that the word was created before the beginning which will contradict their proverb 8vv22 claim.

Rev 3 :14 meant Jesus is the source of all creation, which very much agree with the rest of the scriptures. A word can be used differently depending on the message to be passed. Created, begotten, beginning are exmple of words used differently to pass a message.
In proverb 8vv22 It is ridiculous to think that God really created wisdom otherwise it wilould mean God had no wisdom before he created wisdom.
The word created or quanah can also be interpreted as possess , which is of course the rather correct interpretation.

@1 )
Revelation 3:14 "the beginning of creation of God" means the start of creation.
In the same manner, "the beginning of
birth pangs " CAN NOT mean "the ruler',
'source' or originator' of birth pangs.
Solite3 Liar.

*@2)
All things came from the Father"
"Through Jesus Christ"
The key word is "THROUGH" Jesus or by means of Jesus".
If you like quote Eph3:19, John1:3 , 1 Cor8:6, Col 1:16,17 etc.
The Greek word "dia" =through or by means of", showcased your mumu FRAUD.


@3)
Englishman's Concordance
Genesis 4:1
HEB: קַ֔יִן וַתֹּ֕אמֶר קָנִ֥יתִי אִ֖ישׁ אֶת־
NAS: and she said, I have gotten a manchild
KJV: and said, I have gotten a man
ISV
she said, "I have given birth to
a male child"

NET Bible
:she said, "I have
created a man just as the LORD did!"
NHEB
"I have acquired a man with the LORD's help."

Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

Wayo solite3 LIAR.....
Genesis 4:1 how did Eve /acquire/ gotten/created a man with Yahweh's help?

Genesis 14:22.14:19, how did Yahweh possess the heaven and earth?
Yahweh possessed heaven and earth, possessed the creature personified as wisdom in Prov 8:22, because Yahweh OWNED them by creation.
Jesus Christ was already a son before he was born on earth (Isaiah 9:6. Heb1:5).
Can a son in heaven (Rev3:5) exist before his Father or be his Father ? No !!!!!
Solite3 , you're a confirmed FRAUD alongside your FRAUD doctrine.