johnw47:




Joh 1:3 

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

johnw47 :
normally, and as in my father begat
me, means i didn't exist before hand
in Jesus case oh know nothing, when
Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created

Emusan:


Brother you have time for these brainwashed JWs sha...

They can't reason for themselves that's why they argue blindly.

Look at the point you raised....which is exert fact John 1:3 stated: "All things came into existence through him and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." NWT

Look at the two @underlined phrases and see how deluded they are, if it has possible for them to insert word like "OTHER" into that text like they do to others they would have done so.

I've used this line to reason with them both on this forum and one on one before yet they are still swimming in their self delusions.

How can you say Christ was FIRST CREATED and scripture keeps saying ALL THINGS came through same first created being.

Ask them how do they understand John 1:3 and see funny answers....

solite3:

The word translated as beginning means Arche
Which can either be translated as
1. The ruler
2.first
3. Origin
The word arche can somehow be interpreted as ruler
It cannot be interpreted as first created the book of John has already silenced any notion that christ is part of the creation.
The most accurate word be origin or source which agree with the other scriptures.

The new word translation is wrong to have interpreted Rev 3:14 as the first of the creation by God since John already told us that All things created was done by Christ.

Solite3 , False preacher . It 100% Contradict the scripture at underlined, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says The Father is the source of all . Eat that nonsense u wrote Above

solite3:
You dont understand what you typed.
I AM is clearly God's name and Jesus referred to himself as I AM.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

blueAgent:


It is obvious you lack comprehension.

Jesus meant that he was existing before Abraham which is true becos his father ,God brought him forth before the World was made.

From that my initial post you will find that the IAM Jesus was referring to was not the one of Exdous which God alone can claim, but he was only saying that he was existing before Abraham.

Right in that post I gave you, you would find other examples of people who used the same word translated IAM.
Does that mean they are claiming to be God?.

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

solite3:

As for what you wrote there argue it with blue agent

solite3:

Crap
Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev3vv14

He is before all things, how can he that is before all things be part of it.

John tells us nothing was created without Jesus
That has already rubbished all your claim.

solite3:

You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

solite3:

That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

Janosky post=:

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.



Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

Janosky post=:

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.

Janosky:
Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.Psalms 90:2, Yahweh begat, gave birth, born the mountains and the earth.

Janosky:

Prov 8:22, Jesus is a creature , the wisdom personified in Prov8:22-30 & 1 Cor1:24.

Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.

Janosky: Prov2:6 Yahweh is the source of wisdom.
John5:26 Yahweh is the source of life.

Janosky:
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

blueAgent:

The Bible says
when Jesus appears that He will show, “who is the blessed and only Potentate,
the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and
everlasting power. ” 1 Timothy 6:15-16 .
This can only be our Heavenly Father

johnw47:


@1)
Joh 5:26  For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself
the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate person), now having life in Himself as father does,

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

He is the first and only begotten, not the first created,






again, those verses do not show that Jesus was created oh cannot stop lying sieve for a brain

Psa 90:2  Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


Father begat the Word who always existed in Him, not created

proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature, of
Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works"

God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all, just like other verses say also:



1Co 1:24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 

oh dud duh duh, yes, we know Christ is the power and wisdom of God, and you think God(Father's) power and wisdom is created, that God didn't have power and wisdom before He bought it forth as the Word come Jesus Christ, such a duh

God's wisdom and word is part of God - is God, just as my wisdom and word is part of me - is me

God's wisdom - His Word no longer is just a part of God(Father), but became a seperate identical person to Father
:

 Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old

Janosky:


Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, LIE LIE CROOK..
"Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, "
proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature.. God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all,




,Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

*** Genesis 14:19,22, Based on Johnw MUMU FRAUD THEORY, Yahweh "possessed" Heaven, Yahweh NEVER created heaven.....

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30, is a creature of God personified as wisdom, (1 Cor 1:24,gives his identifiy to be Jesus), your FRAUD can't change it..

Janosky: Col 1:15. King James Bible
(Jesus) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"
Col 1:15 (KJV) is beyond twisting.

Janosky:
Johnw MUMU FRAUD man says
"the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate Person).
He say " Jesus exist in the Father", that is , Jesus been get house inside him Father.... Lol
FRAUD man MUMU johnw Pharisee.....
Ogidigan of Falsehood..

Janosky:


Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, LIE LIE CROOK..

Johnw MUMU FRAUD THEORY

your FRAUD can't change it..



Johnw MUMU FRAUD man

FRAUD man MUMU johnw Pharisee.....
Ogidigan of Falsehood..

johnw47:



so confused beelzebubAgent of absolutely no understanding

1timothy certainly is about the Father being King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

and rev 17 is about The Word(Jesus) being King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Barristter07:


Solite3 that doesnt have sense, The I AM of Exodus Described himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . Help me ask him: Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?

solite3:
No man can explain God but yet he exist.
The fact that something cannot be explained does not mean it is non existant.
What is important is that it is supported by the bible.

solite3:
The word trinity is not in the bible just as the word Bible is not in the bible but the concept is taught in the bible.

johnw47:


beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
having absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than you

johnw47:



blinded beelzebubAgent

do you read the posts, go back and read mine again
i'm not having discussions, enlightening you, a sewer mouth false accuser
you will have to stay with your lies and confusion

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Janosky:

Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Psalms 90:2, Yahweh begat, gave birth, born the mountains and the earth.
Prov 8:22, Jesus is a creature , the wisdom personified in Prov8:22-30 & 1 Cor1:24.

Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.

Prov2:6 Yahweh is the source of wisdom.
John5:26 Yahweh is the source of life.


Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

Barristter07:


Emphasis on " Apart from him "



Revelation 3:14 on his been created. No question please ! U can choose to stay deluded, Thats your problem .

I ask you again : If all things came through Christ, What came though the Father ? ? ( Romans 11:36 )

[NOTE: Unless you mean both are one same PERSON, if they are not what is that creation that came through the father as well ]

johnw47:
Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


i posted a very good short section of a commentary showing that: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is indeed God
in fact three times i posted it, and three times it was deleted
perhaps a mod is a false jw or some other Father, Son and Holy Spirit hater

if any christian wants to read it, send me a email: achristian@asia.com
and i will send the short commentary to you

Barristter07:


Solite3 , False preacher . It 100% Contradict the scripture at underlined, 1 Corinthians 8:6 says The Father is the source of all . Eat that nonsense u wrote Above

Barristter07:


An angel also answers "I AM " nah , , So that angel is God himself ?

Barristter07:


Solite3 that doesnt have sense, The I AM of Exodus Described himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . Help me ask him: Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?

Barristter07:


You just finished yourself

God acts of Creation are described as Giving birth, what does God gave Birth to the , Mountains, earth and productive land mean ? Psalm 90:2

Barristter07:


Jesus is not the source - Or u want to contradict the scripture ?

Hahahahaha



Something was Created THROUGH the Father . what ?

Barristter07:


The greek word John used also mean " APART frpm " Him . so that shows the context is limited to things Created through him.

If all things in FuLL sense of the word actually came through Jesus, begs the question: What then came through the Father ? Or did scripture lied creation came through him too ?


God, for whom and through whom all things exist, , to make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. - Heb 2:10

What exactly Came through him ?