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BabaIbo:
Reply Tete7000 quote...

alBHAGDADI are you avoiding tete7000 quote?

I've replied him already. I told him that since he misunderstood Jesus to mean that nothing that goes inside of a man. can make him unclean, then you and him can go drink Sniper tonight.

Pls aside King James version, what other version or edition of the Bible do we have?

samonak:
Here comes the question:

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION?

Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition, just like you claim too. Wine/alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol?

WINE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). Since the scriptures was born out of the Jewish context, it is better we consider the "sitz im leben" (life setting or cultural context) of the words of the scriptures in relation to the Jewish culture in order to aid better understanding. In this vein, language comes into play. From the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), the Hebrew word for wine in Genesis 14:18 is "yayin". This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean "FERMENTED WINE", not grape juice as you may think. This same beverage (yayin or alcoholic wine), when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36).

Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptural passages make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.
Naturally fermented wine is between 10 percent and 14 percent alcohol. Higher alcoholic wines are fortified wines. On special occasions, God even allowed use of what is translated as “strong drink.” This term comes from a different Hebrew word — "shekar" — which is used 22 times in the Old Testament, and refers to alcoholic drinks made from dates and other fruit. The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad (Psalm 104:15). Why have some people turned this blessing of God into a curse? The answer is that many people do not follow God’s instructions. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine (tirosh).” The Hebrew word tirosh, meaning “new wine”. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine (yayin) and new wine (tirosh) take away their understanding." Grape-juice do not possess this effect. Put differently, Tirosh is an intoxicating wine if used in excess.

Having journeyed through the Old Testament, let us take a look at the new Testament.

WINE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
While the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament on the other hand was entirely written in Greek. Hence, we shall focus our mind on the Greek language in which the New testament was written. John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (Luke 1:15). However, Jesus Christ drank oinos (wine) (cf. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he drank like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation. In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today.

According to the Greek Bible, Jesus’ first miracle was to change water into wine (oinos) NOT grape juice. Some people who preach total abstinence claim that this miracle was to turn water into grape juice. LOL… This is because, they tend to interpret the Scriptures based on their "myopic understanding". Can you imagine a Jewish wedding banquet where everyone drank only grape juice?! (which is very difficult to imagine). The ancients did not have refrigeration or any other method of preventing grape juice from fermenting. On this occasion, Christ turned six jars of 20 or 30 gallons each into wine (oinos). This was no small miracle. This wine was of the finest quality — “You have saved the best wine till now” (John 2:10). At wedding feasts, the hosts normally started with the best wine, and they would bring out lesser-quality wines later.
Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos (alcoholic wine) in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin. Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Do not get drunk on wine (oinos)” (Ephesians 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine (oinos) because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.

Some of the Corinthian Christians were getting drunk at the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:21). They were using fermented wine, following the example that Christ had set for them. Paul did not tell them that they were using the wrong kind of wine. He simply told them to eat and drink at home, and to participate in the Lord’s Supper in a respectful way. In Romans 14:21, Paul says that it is good not to drink wine or eat meat if it offends a weak brother. He is referring to fermented wine; grape juice wouldn’t offend anyone. The implication is that there’s nothing wrong with the wine in itself, except when it is abused.

However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol, like the beer Pope Benedict XVI (emeritus) drank on his 90th birthday.
Alcohol, consumed in moderation, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of alcohol in moderation is a matter of CHRISTIAN FREEDOM.
If you're weak, then do not consider drinking it. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful; and this is exactly what the Bible condemns.

Above all, I am not proposing that alcohol must be consumed by all; if you maintain that intake of alcohol is bad for you, ok! That is simply your opinion; as pointed out, It is a matter of "Christian Freedom", hence, do not look with disdain on someone who consumes alcohol in moderation or consider him/her a sinner. Besides, not only excessive intake of alcohol is a sin, the bible also condemns gluttony (such as excessive intake of food etc.) Hence, if you consume an excessive amount of soft drinks or other foods, it is also a sin!

I'm sure the guy will still come and say nonsense about this. He'll tell you they were drunk on water or fruit juice

BRASH:
if it was fruit juice that paul was talking about, why did he have to emphasize it as if it was a fibidden thing? If it was juice which according to u was a common thing, don't u think timothy didn't need paul to tell him to drink what he has been drinking already?

Paul had to tell Timothy about how wine could cure his stomach ache because Timothy didn't know of such. If he knew, we won't be reading about it today because he would have just helped himself with it.

And don't make it look like fruit juice was something Timothy drank every day like water.

samonak:
Here comes the question:

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION?

Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition, just like you claim too. Wine/alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol?

WINE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). Since the scriptures was born out of the Jewish context, it is better we consider the "sitz im leben" (life setting or cultural context) of the words of the scriptures in relation to the Jewish culture in order to aid better understanding. In this vein, language comes into play. From the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), the Hebrew word for wine in Genesis 14:18 is "yayin". This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean "FERMENTED WINE", not grape juice as you may think. This same beverage (yayin or alcoholic wine), when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36).

Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptural passages make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.
Naturally fermented wine is between 10 percent and 14 percent alcohol. Higher alcoholic wines are fortified wines. On special occasions, God even allowed use of what is translated as “strong drink.” This term comes from a different Hebrew word — "shekar" — which is used 22 times in the Old Testament, and refers to alcoholic drinks made from dates and other fruit. The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad (Psalm 104:15). Why have some people turned this blessing of God into a curse? The answer is that many people do not follow God’s instructions. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine (tirosh).” The Hebrew word tirosh, meaning “new wine”. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine (yayin) and new wine (tirosh) take away their understanding." Grape-juice do not possess this effect. Put differently, Tirosh is an intoxicating wine if used in excess.

Having journeyed through the Old Testament, let us take a look at the new Testament.

WINE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
While the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament on the other hand was entirely written in Greek. Hence, we shall focus our mind on the Greek language in which the New testament was written. John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (Luke 1:15). However, Jesus Christ drank oinos (wine) (cf. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he drank like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation. In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today.

According to the Greek Bible, Jesus’ first miracle was to change water into wine (oinos) NOT grape juice. Some people who preach total abstinence claim that this miracle was to turn water into grape juice. LOL… This is because, they tend to interpret the Scriptures based on their "myopic understanding". Can you imagine a Jewish wedding banquet where everyone drank only grape juice?! (which is very difficult to imagine). The ancients did not have refrigeration or any other method of preventing grape juice from fermenting. On this occasion, Christ turned six jars of 20 or 30 gallons each into wine (oinos). This was no small miracle. This wine was of the finest quality — “You have saved the best wine till now” (John 2:10). At wedding feasts, the hosts normally started with the best wine, and they would bring out lesser-quality wines later.
Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos (alcoholic wine) in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin. Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Do not get drunk on wine (oinos)” (Ephesians 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine (oinos) because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.

Some of the Corinthian Christians were getting drunk at the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:21). They were using fermented wine, following the example that Christ had set for them. Paul did not tell them that they were using the wrong kind of wine. He simply told them to eat and drink at home, and to participate in the Lord’s Supper in a respectful way. In Romans 14:21, Paul says that it is good not to drink wine or eat meat if it offends a weak brother. He is referring to fermented wine; grape juice wouldn’t offend anyone. The implication is that there’s nothing wrong with the wine in itself, except when it is abused.

However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol, like the beer Pope Benedict XVI (emeritus) drank on his 90th birthday.
Alcohol, consumed in moderation, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of alcohol in moderation is a matter of CHRISTIAN FREEDOM.
If you're weak, then do not consider drinking it. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful; and this is exactly what the Bible condemns.

Above all, I am not proposing that alcohol must be consumed by all; if you maintain that intake of alcohol is bad for you, ok! That is simply your opinion; as pointed out, It is a matter of "Christian Freedom", hence, do not look with disdain on someone who consumes alcohol in moderation or consider him/her a sinner. Besides, not only excessive intake of alcohol is a sin, the bible also condemns gluttony (such as excessive intake of food etc.) Hence, if you consume an excessive amount of soft drinks or other foods, it is also a sin!

@TVSA

Did t I tell you before that the wine Paul was talking about in Holy Communion is not alcoholic wine? He wasn't telling them not to drink alcohol towards getting high. He was actually telling them about the bread and fruit juice used for the Holy Communion.

He simply said they shouldn't think that the bread and fruit juice aka wine was for a feast. I believe the people were disappointed that they were served tiny pieces of bread and very little content of wine. So Paul told them that if they needed to eat and drink like a feast, they can do that on their homes, because the Holy Communion doesn't served such purpose. Simply put, it was not a feast to eat and drink as you like.

So early, Paul wasn't talking about alcohol. Read the passage again in 1 Corinthians 11

alBHAGDADI:
The Bold part is where your problem lie, lazy reader. If you had read the entire write-up, you would have seen that the Bible speaks two kinds of wine: Fruit juice and alcoholic beverage.

Paul didn't advice Timothy to take alcohol. It was fruit juice he advised. Telling Timothy to take alcohol is the same as going against the Book of Proverbs 23:31 that says we shouldn't even look at alcoholic wine not to talk of drinking it, regardless of the amount.


Now, go back and read the OP again, Mr personal encounter with God who throws away the word of God just to operate based on his own conscience.

Sorry dude, it is alcohol with with it's antiseptic property that is proven to be beneficial for some stomach trouble, not fruit juice! There is no way the ancient Jews could have stored fruit Jews.

How about when Jesus gave an illustration about storing new wine in old wine cloth? Was he referring to fruit juice?

TVSA:
I've heard something new today. Someone can be drunk on fruit juice? Do you know the meaning of to be drunk on something?

Drunk
verb
past participle of drink.

adjective
affected by alcohol to the extent of losing control of one's faculties or behaviour.
"he was so drunk he lurched from wall to wall"
synonyms: intoxicated, inebriated, drunken, befuddled, incapable, tipsy, the worse for drink, under the influence.

You talked of English when you don't understand simple English or you're playing dumb to win an argument , there's a difference between "drunk" as a verb and as a noun or adjective. When I say I've drunk fruit juice, it's different from I'm drunk of fruit juice. To be drunk of fruit juice doesn't even make sense.

Drunk as a noun or an adjective means to be intoxicated. You even said you can be drunk on water?
English dey hard you? You can't be drunk on anything that's not intoxicating. Stop murdering English language.

I explained English, you played dumb not to know, I quoted original Greek, you discarded it as false. What else do you want?

I think say na only me see that "drunk on water" line o... Can water of fruit juice make one lose his/her sense of control?
The op fail to note history.
Op, where did Christianity started from?
Jews or Romans or Greeks or Arabs?

Yeye dey worry you.

alBHAGDADI:
Alcohol doesn't come at number 100? So says someone who doesn't drink. Since you want to play a stubborn goat, go get a bottle of Jack Daniels or McDowells and drink it. Five minutes later, drive your car. If you go one a mile successful, then I will agree that alcohol is no danger to man.

Alcohol is deadly especially the spirit/rum type which has higher percentage of alcohol by volume.
Beer is moderately okay but not stout which has alcohol content higher than beer.
Alcohol reduces or slows down the optimum function of the brain,hence,clear perception of matter cannot be absolutely processed.
Therefore, accident can occur or getting into dangerous actions easily because of poor judgement.
Alcohol intake increases your chances of having liver cancer,liver cirrhosis and HBV (curative herb available).
Drink moderately if you must(minimize hot drinks).

God bless you Op

What happened to Noah. Abi? The one his daughter saw him naked

alBHAGDADI:
No, English is hard for you.

Drunk as used in the passenger is not talking about being drunk to a fault. Remember, Drink, Drank, Drunk... Sink, Sank, Sunk.

Go and study English. The word drunk is mot oy associated to alcohol. If it were, then Jesus was wrong to give the people more of what they were already drunk of.

Mr English man

The master if ceremony in the Bible just placed a statement. In the wedding, the wine wasn't enough. He simply said on a normal wedding, when people have had their fill from good wine, that's when the bring out the 'less' wine. Hello, good wine here is not talking about fruit juice, its talking about quality and expensive wine. He was surprised when Jesus brought out a more quality wine through that miracle. Simply put, it wasn't fruit juice.

But didn't Jesus turn water into wine?
Do u think it's chivita that people drank there?
All the 5 Thousand people will not drink only chivita, some people drank Beer, some drank palmwine, some people drank hot drink and so on... Even Noah in the Bible was a drunkard

alBHAGDADI:
@TVSA

Did t I tell you before that the wine Paul was talking about in Holy Communion is not alcoholic wine? He wasn't telling them not to drink alcohol towards getting high. He was actually telling them about the bread and fruit juice used for the Holy Communion.

He simply said they shouldn't think that the bread and fruit juice aka wine was for a feast. I believe the people were disappointed that they were served tiny pieces of bread and very little content of wine. So Paul told them that if they needed to eat and drink like a feast, they can do that on their homes, because the Holy Communion doesn't served such purpose. Simply put, it was not a feast to eat and drink as you like.

So early, Paul wasn't talking about alcohol. Read the passage again in 1 Corinthians 11

I don't understand again o, first paragraph, Paul was talking about alcohol, last paragraph, he wasn't talking about alcohol.
Your writings are not coherent. He was talking about alcoholic wine, you can't be drunk on anything that's not intoxicating, so how did fruit juice now entered the discussion?

wine

/wʌɪn/

noun

an alcoholic drink made from fermented grape juice.

"he opened a bottle of red wine"

synonyms:

Oga saint, alcohol is not sin but too much of it can lead to sin. Not all of us check bible verses but I know the part where Jesus said if your right arm cause you to sin cut it off does that mean to cut it of because it can cause you to sin?

Noah and his family were spared because he believed in God but the same Noah got drunk and was dancing naked when his son saw him.

In the 80s Pastor Kumuyi asked deeper lifers not to own TVs because it can lead to immorality and sin does not mean owning a TV is sin.

alBHAGDADI:
The Bold part is where your problem lie, lazy reader. If you had read the entire write-up, you would have seen that the Bible speaks two kinds of wine: Fruit juice and alcoholic beverage.

Paul didn't advice Timothy to take alcohol. It was fruit juice he advised. Telling Timothy to take alcohol is the same as going against the Book of Proverbs 23:31 that says we shouldn't even look at alcoholic wine not to talk of drinking it, regardless of the amount.


Now, go back and read the OP again, Mr personal encounter with God who throws away the word of God just to operate based on his own conscience.

olodo

alBHAGDADI:
Paul had to tell Timothy about how wine could cure his stomach ache because Timothy didn't know of such. If he knew, we won't be reading about it today because he would have just helped himself with it.

And don't make it look like fruit juice was something Timothy drank every day like water.

pls show me a passage in the bible where 'fruit juice' is mentioned. don't try to twist or interprete the scripture. Just show me fruit juice and i will take u serious

alBHAGDADI:
Go and read the OP

If you agree, proverb 31:4-5 Is talking about alcoholic wine.
But you don't agree that 1 Timothy 5:23 is referring to alcoholic wine. Then you are really enslave to your believe


Check Luke 7:34, Are they accusing Jesus of drinking fruit wine

BabaIbo:
I think say na only me see that "drunk on water" line o... Can water of fruit juice make one lose his/her sense of control?
The op fail to note history.
Op, where did Christianity started from?
Jews or Romans or Greeks or Arabs?

The guy is only grasping at straws. Anything just to make him win the argument.

I wanted to just glance Trough and say nothing. Tho I don't take alcohol. But for you to have said something like Jesus turn water to non alcoholic wine, made me know you are clueless of the DEFINITION OF WINE.
for you to call anything wine it must posses from 0.5% content of alcohol and above....... nothing like non alcoholic wine. STOP SPIRITUALIZING EVERYTHING WITH THE BIBLE AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE WRITING ANYTHING.

For this same reason is why you won't see non alcoholic wine in those bottled drinks(eg Eva) u see something like non alcoholic sparking fruit drink.

Note:any drink that you see non alcoholic wine, just knw that drink is substandard or locally done by an illiterate...

tck2000:
God bless you Op

another olodo

All wines are Alcoholic, the ones without alcohol are fruit drinks not wine. It has to go through fermentation process to be called wine.

alBHAGDADI:
Paul had to tell Timothy about how wine could cure his stomach ache because Timothy didn't know of such. If he knew, we won't be reading about it today because he would have just helped himself with it.

And don't make it look like fruit juice was something Timothy drank every day like water.

There's no way fruit juice can cure stomach ache....

Wine contains alcohol and ancient people knew alcohol kill organisms and numb pain.....
That's why they pour it on wounds to aid healing and use it as anaesthetic when performing minor procedures on patient in ancient times....

In bible times, sanitation was poor and drinking contaminated water was quite common....
People believed drinking polluted water was the cause of stomach ache...
Wealthy people generally avoid drinking water, rather ate their meals with wine......
Common people who had no choice, normally drink wine when they come down with stomach ache, hoping it will cure the ailment....
That was why Paul advised Timothy to start drinking wine as a remedy for his stomach ailment....

Example 1. you could remember a man who chooses to caserates himself for God because he didn't want to commit sin, what advise do Bible gave to him about alcohol? He ask him to be taking alcohol for the good of his body. I cant remember the verse clearly where it is in the bible but read something similar to it. I will encourage you to read what Bible say about alcohol Please read verse

1Tim 5:23 " Stop drinking only water and use a little wine because of your stomach and your illnesses"

When Bible say not to do something, it also say in another verse to do it. But In moderation is koko. alcohol is good but excess is bad. Nah you go use your sense in moderation.

Please read something related to it also
Example 2
Gen 3 vs 3
Gen 3 vs 22

SIRTee15:
There's no way fruit juice can cure stomach ache....

Wine contains alcohol and ancient people knew alcohol kill organisms and numb pain.....
That's why they pour it on wounds to aid healing and use it as anaesthetic when performing minor procedures on patient in ancient times....

I'm bible times, sanitation was poor and drinking contaminated water was quite common....
People believed drinking polluted water was the cause of stomach ache...
Wealthy people generally avoid drinking water, rather ate their meals with wine......
Common people who has no choice, normally drink wine when they come down with stomach ache, hoping it will cure the ailment....
That was why Paul advised Timothy to start drinking wine as a remedy for his stomach ailment....

So says a doctor with no certificate.

You mean Paul told Timothy to drink alcohol which the Bible said we shouldn't EVEN LOOK AT as seen in Proverbs 23:31?

According to you, Paul contradicted the Bible.

biggerboyc:
If you agree, proverb 31:4-5 Is talking about alcoholic wine.
But you don't agree that 1 Timothy 5:23 is referring to alcoholic wine. Then you are really enslave to your believe


Check Luke 7:34, Are they accusing Jesus of drinking fruit wine

Go and read the OP again, that's if you did before.

MrPresident1:
Just do your own part by warning the people, person wen dey cry still dey see road.

Tell the people to protect their skulls by hiding it in Jesus. Asteroid is coming before 30th September 2019

No astroid is coming by that time, and no astroid is poised to hit earth soon.

alBHAGDADI:
So because Jews drink alcohol today, we are now to disobey the word of God? And who told you Jews I've God today?

So because there was no refrigerator back then, it now means they didn't see the need to invent fruit juice? Look, refrigerator was invented because people saw the need to preserve things, fruit juice being one of them. Mind you, if you had read the OP, you would have seen that fruit juice existed in the days of the early Jews as stated in Isaiah 65:8 and also Songs of Solomon 8:2. This is contrary to your Mr Historian knowledge.

why did Jesus turn water to wine ?

cjaylala:
another olodo

Just say you love Alcohol and we would understand.

BRASH:
pls show me a passage in the bible where 'fruit juice' is mentioned. don't try to twist or interprete the scripture. Just show me fruit juice and i will take u serious

Songs of Solomon 8:2

Well,I don't have anything to say to u...because u feel they say it was fruit juice then u concluded using the the Bible to balance it.

However u mean,it is the same Bible they use to defraud people of their money called Tithes and first fruits in this ur Nigerian churches.

No pastor can deceive me using the same Bible cos what they do is to extract a verse and gbam ur head will spin and before u know it,u are gone.

If u want to read the Bible, pls read a complete chapter for better understanding as this would help u to understand the true meaning of actual fact from fiction.

Without argument, I know for sure that whatever God create has its beauty.
So,stop deceiving people if in doubt let us read the following:
Psalm 104:14-15
Ecclesiastic 3:13 and 9:7
Timothy 5:23
And this does not also ignore the fact that Jesus of Nazareth turned water to wine.

In proverbs 31:4 king Lamuel was advised by his mother not to drink wine so that he would not forget the law. Take note,there was no mention of fruit juice rather wine and strong wine.

That is how far I can go for now.