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lilbest4:
is this not what you call victim blaming? 100% of men who rape women are psychologically unsound, why would you be alone with such people? You should have respect for your body

It’s not victim blaming my dear. You don’t even touch people who are not capable of making sound decisions if they have been impaired in any way. That’s rape you know. You also should not put yourself in a situation where you can be accused as a man. Rape is a forceful, violent and unwanted act. Majority of perpetrators are men sadly, due to their sexual apparatus.

Most of the women raped by men are not alone with them, they are mostly random acts of violence. Majority are raped by people they know or family members. The minute few who follow men home from clubs are not stable. A responsible man should protect himself from such, especially when drinking is involved. Once they say no, it means no! To prove rape, there are tests done you know, and forced sex leaves tears so these girls mostly have physical evidence. Why always your Nigerian brothers being accused though?

Your Nigerian brothers think no means harder and a lot of them have gotten into big trouble for that. This is because they bring their mysoginy from Nigeria where they believe it is their right to access a woman’s body who gives them the faintest green light.

If it’s a group of people who go home together then, at least you have other people there with you just in case she goes mad. But alone with a stranger? Don’t even do that to yourself as a man.

baby124:
I have lived in the west. I have clubbed in the West. The people who will go home with you straight from club are 90% not emotionally or mentally stable. How can you even be comfortable bringing an absolute stranger into your home and sleeping by them all night if something is not wrong with you? What eye find Na him see.

This is textbook victim blaming,an antithesis to everything you are supposed to stand for.

Say a lady,managing partner at a law firm, decides to get naughty & have a one-night stand. She goes to a club and takes a stranger home for this after they agree to get down. Sometime later she gets back to her senses since according to you she was not mentally stable for bringing a stranger home,yet the stranger still forces her, would you blame her or the stranger for this?
And if u will not blame her anymore, why?
Can mental instability be cured within hours?

You do not have to try shutting me up if you cant answer this please as i have noticed is common here.

missjo:
This is textbook victim blaming,an antithesis to everything you are supposed to stand for.

Say a lady,managing partner at a law firm, decides to get naughty & have a one-night stand. She goes to a club and takes a stranger home for this after they agree to get down. Sometime later she gets back to her senses since according to you she was not mentally stable for bringing a stranger home,yet the stranger still forces her, would you blame her or the stranger for this?
And if u will not blame her anymore, why?
Can mental instability be cured within hours?

You do not have to try shutting me up if you cant answer this please as i have noticed is common here.

My dear. I don’t have the energy to argue with you.

baby124:
My dear. I don’t have the energy to argue with you.

Lol,and just as i thought. Shutting me up. splendid

baby124:
It’s not victim blaming my dear. You don’t even touch people who are not capable of making sound decisions if they have been impaired in any way. That’s rape you know. You also should not put yourself in a situation where you can be accused as a man. Rape is a forceful, violent and unwanted act. Majority of perpetrators are men sadly, due to their sexual apparatus.

Most of the women raped by men are not alone with them, they are mostly random acts of violence. Majority are raped by people they know or family members. The minute few who follow men home from clubs are not stable. A responsible man should protect himself from such, especially when drinking is involved. Once they say no, it means no! To prove rape, there are tests done you know, and forced sex leaves tears so these girls mostly have physical evidence. Why always your Nigerian brothers being accused though?

Your Nigerian brothers think no means harder and a lot of them have gotten into big trouble for that. This is because they bring their mysoginy from Nigeria where they believe it is their right to access a woman’s body who gives them the faintest green light.

If it’s a group of people who go home together then, at least you have other people there with you just in case she goes mad. But alone with a stranger? Don’t even do that to yourself as a man.

lmao. Not that silly word," misogyny" that word is simply a lie just like India vs Nigeria football match that ended 99-1.
No means no and consent can be withdrawn during sex is a dumb standard. How do you prove she actually said no? You people also say not all rapes involved tear the amount of double standard lol. Most women who accuse men of fake rape ( regret sex) aren't strangers they could be friends. The ones who accuse men of fake violence( hitting a woman back because she hit you first) could be husband and wife so I don't get the point in your epistle

lilbest4:
lmao. Not that silly word," misogyny" that word is simply a lie just like India vs Nigeria football match that ended 99-1.
No means no and consent can be withdrawn during sex is a dumb standard. How do you prove she actually said no? You people also say not all rapes involved tear the amount of double standard lol. Most women who accuse men of fake rape accusation ( regret sex) aren't strangers they could be friends. The once accuse men of fake violence( hitting a woman because she hit you first) could be husband and wife so I don't get the point in your epistle

I have told you how it works in a sane world. How you interpret it is up to you. Don’t use your values in another man’s land where laws actually work. If a man says no and is drugged by a woman for sex, she would be charged with rape too. Consent is key and at the point it’s withdrawn you STOP! Man or woman. I am done with this argument. I have things to do with my time. Ciao!

No sane judge will charge you with rape for regret sex if there is no evidence! There are rape kits you know? These women are actually examined! Don’t buy the frivolous stories told my your Nigerian brothers who are largely guilty. Trust me, I know a few of them who went to prison. They tell everyone it’s a frame up till you see the court documents. It’s an indictment on how they are raised to see women.

baby124:
I have told you how it works in a sane world. How you interpret it is up to you. Don’t use your values in another man’s land where laws actually work. If a man says no and is drugged by a woman for sex, she would be charged with rape too. Consent is key and at the point it’s withdrawn you STOP! Man or woman. I am done with this argument. I have things to do with my time. Ciao!

their law is stupid which is why their men are deciding to recline from their society which will lead to the fall of the said society that's the purpose of the thread.

Guilty until proven innocent means he has already lost his job and dragged on social media. Wait are you seriously trying to defend these stupid laws and stereotypes in the West?

missjo:
Lol,and just as i thought. Shutting me up. splendid

Sorry Missjo. I know you are playing devils advocate so Day will break before we are done. I don’t have the time for that today but I promise you that our day will come

lilbest4:
their law is stupid which is why their men are deciding to recline from their society which will lead to the fall of the said society that's the purpose of the thread

It’s not stupid. It’s valid. If I do not give you consent to my body then you have violated me. Speak to men who have been raped through the anus about consent. When you have the penetrating apparatus it may not seem as bad. But when you are the one penetrated forcefully then the experience may be different!

lilbest4:
Guilty until proven innocent means he has already lost his job and dragged on social media. Wait are you seriously trying to defend these stupid laws and stereotypes in the West?

Most companies do not want negative attention, neither do they have time to give you holidays to prove yourself in court. which is why when you are a working adult, be you man or woman you conduct yourself responsibly.

baby124:
It’s not stupid. It’s valid. If I do not give you consent to my body then you have violated me. Speak to men who have been raped through the anus about consent. When you have the penetrating apparatus it may not seem as bad. But when you are the one penetrated forcefully then the experience may be different!

it's a stupid law. How do you prove that it wasn't consensual? Do you know how stupid "consent can be withdrawn during sex " is? Nobody was there when they were having sex because she says she told him to stop is not even proof at all. She says I told him to stop, he says it's a lie she didn't, why should her word hold more value than his since nobody truly know what happened?
Rape kit argument is nonsense. You people said it yourself that not not all rapes involved tear. If they were both having sex and after orgasm she decide to "withdraw" the consent (lmao) how will your rape kit detect that it wasn't a continuation of the initial activity at a higher pace and intensity?
If the law wasn't stupid why are their men running away from their society?

baby124:
Most companies do not want negative attention, neither do they have time to give you holidays to prove yourself in court. which is why when you are a working adult, be you man or woman you conduct yourself responsibly.

you don't even know what you are saying

lilbest4:
you don't even know what you are saying

You are trying to argue with someone who has been in the system? Well experience is the best teacher.

lilbest4:
it's a stupid law. How do you prove that it wasn't consensual? Do you know how stupid "consent can be withdrawn during sex " is? Nobody was there when they were having sex because she says she told him to stop is not even proof at all. She says I told him to stop, he says it's a lie she didn't, why should her word hold more value than his since nobody truly know what happened?
Rape kit argument is nonsense. You people said it yourself that not not all rapes involved tear. If they were both having sex and after orgasm she decide to "withdraw" the consent (lmao) how will your rape kit detect that it wasn't a continuation of the initial activity at a higher pace and intensity?
If the law wasn't stupid why are their men running away from their society?

Continue arguing in complete ignorance. First attempt your fantasies and lack of home training abroad first. I am done here

baby124:
Continue arguing in complete ignorance. First attempt your fantasies and lack of home training abroad first. I am done here

Lmao. How you carry yourself is sickening and absolutely disgusting because you don't even know anything at all, To you logic and common sense is wrong

baby124:
It’s not victim blaming my dear. You don’t even touch people who are not capable of making sound decisions if they have been impaired in any way. That’s rape you know. You also should not put yourself in a situation where you can be accused as a man. Rape is a forceful, violent and unwanted act. Majority of perpetrators are men sadly, due to their sexual apparatus.

Stop rationalizing BS.

Most people know what constitutes rape. Including rapists. The difference is rapists don't care.

That statement in bold proves how far out of depth you are with reality. Because you're effectively saying any guy who picks up a lady at a club or bar is a rapist. Alcohol impairs decision making and to the best of my knowledge most folks in said locations take alcoholic drinks.

You might as well call bars and clubs rape havens.

As you clearly failed the social class where everyone was taught that there is a long line from light-headed to passed out.

And now you're using illogical, draconian laws to justify a line of thought that doesn't even hold up to decent scrutiny. And then say since its the law it has to be accepted at face value. Yet, same you has a problem when other countries set up and enact illogical laws that disenfranchise women.

It's the classic, it doesn't matter when I do it. It only becomes a problem when someone else does it.

Oh and it gets better. If a guy says said laws are too murky and decides to go his own way, that's a problem as well. How dare he disagree with a law that has my blessing?!

So where do you draw the line? Is a man who has sex with his agreeable slightly inebriated wife also a rapist because she clearly couldn't have given consent by your illogic?

And yet I thought there was only one homo stupidus on the thread. It appears you guys move in herds.

Bottom line if you think the logic of the law doesn't matter in the West. In the same vein, the logic of the law that women shouldn't travel out of Saudi Arabia without male permission doesn't matter. Be f*cking CONSISTENT!

-Lord

baby124:
Sorry Missjo. I know you are playing devils advocate so Day will break before we are done. I don’t have the time for that today but I promise you that our day will come

Lmao,devils advocate? You sly you,trying to wriggle out this one
Baby124 I do not need a day to come for us,whatever that means. Just needed an answer to the question and that is it. And if you do answer, my response will be OK just to prove to you i really had no intentions starting an argument either.

missjo:
Cococandy, we must not drag this further. I can see from your profile that you are based in the US and going by your antecedents,you also identify as a feminist.
This subject is something we have dealt with as a group and your line of arguments have been brought to the fore countless times so i understand you. As a feminist,do you belong to any active women organizations in your city?
I am asking because i can get some of my colleagues at the center for global women's leadership out of Rutger's to contact the state chapter (of a women's advancement organization which i am hoping you will be registered with as an active feminist) and furnish them with the research on how tackling cultural foundations as a first step, provides a speedy solution to gender inequality in sub-saharan Africa. What you call social aspects are just consequences which a social intervention will only placate but not eliminate completely.

If you are up for it,of course.

Cococandy

pocohantas:
Anyone that claims the Nigerian man is at a disadvantage in a marriage is a highly deluded being.

disadvantage is about perspective and individual values. There are men and women who see marriage as a disadvantage

monex:
disadvantage is about perspective and individual values. There are men and women who see marriage as a disadvantage

The perspective under review, the perpective which is the basis of the movement- being child-support and alimony has nothing to do with the Nigerian man. He is at heavy advantage.

Sorry not interested

missjo:
Cococandy

cococandy:
Sorry not interested

Wow,so much for being feminist

missjo:
Wow,so much for being feminist

So because I schooled you on how social issues are cultural issues (something a secondary school student would know), you want to do what again?

Find out what state feminist chapter I belong to or if I’m registered with them and what what?
You’re not a serious somebody.

If you had any argument AT ALL IN beginning of this thread, you’ve since lost it. At this point, no one even knows what you’re talking about. Just move on.

cococandy:
So because I schooled you on how social issues are cultural issues (something a secondary school student would know), you want to do what again?

Find out what state feminist chapter I belong to or if I’m registered with them and what what?
You’re not a serious somebody.

If you had any argument AT ALL IN beginning of this thread, you’ve since lost it. At this point, no one even knows what you’re talking about. Just move on.

I do not know how u schooled me or if you are even qualified to school me on any subject. I only know that i offered to share with your organization (if u had been registered with one,which you obviously are not) a research by the CWGL on the topic. It is not sent to individuals,but organizations interested in working on gender inequality in sub-Saharan Africa.
I honestly do not understand what u think you know about this that is going to discredit a reseesrch work put together by women in academics over the space of some years. Then telling me i am not a serious person,lol

The joke among most of you here writes itself.

I’m not interested in sharing that research with you.
Anything substantial you have can be posted on here.
And I don’t know how you arrived at your need to share anything with my “organization” from that simple post I corrected you about.
Talk about deflection.
Please move on already like I said before.

missjo:
I do not know how u schooled me or if you are even qualified to school me on any subject. I only know that i offered to share with your organization (if u had been registered with one,which you obviously are not) a research by the CWGL on the topic. It is not sent to individuals,but organizations interested in working on gender inequality in sub-Saharan Africa.
I honestly do not understand what u think you know about this that is going to discredit a reseesrch work put together by women in academics over the space of some years. Then telling me i am not a serious person,lol

The joke among most of you here writes itself.

cococandy:
I’m not interested in sharing that research with you.
Anything substantial you have can be posted on here.
And I don’t know how you arrived at your need to share anything with my “organization” from that simple post I corrected you about.
Talk about deflection.
Please move on already like I said before.

Sigh
How have you ever made any progress in fighting gender inequality if all you have been doing is posting things on the internet instead of doing the leg work?

You’re the one making that assumption.

But anything to digress . I get it
Maybe sometime at the end of your run about on this thread, we will come to understand how your carrying placards for feminists in Johannesburg (or wherever) gives you the standing to redefine social issues and separate them from cultural issues.
While you’re at it, redefine social studies as well.

missjo:
Sigh
How have you ever made any progress in fighting gender inequality if all you have been doing is posting things on the internet instead of doing the leg work?

cococandy:
You’re the one making that assumption.

But anything to digress . I get it
Maybe sometime at the end of your run about on this thread, we will come to understand how your carrying placards for feminists in Johannesburg (or wherever) gives you the standing to redefine social issues and separate them from cultural issues.
While you’re at it, redefine social studies as well.

I am not redefining anything,just thought to share the works by other people whose qualifications and judgments are known & trusted far more than yours on the subject.

And Sacramento is not in jo'burg cococandy.

Funny how some people are trying desperately to force others into debates even when they are clueless and have made no tangible points so far........ . I admire the maturity of some ladies here......it's best to ignore the clueless folks. [quote][/quote]

pocohantas:
The perspective under review, the perpective which is the basis of the movement- being child-support and alimony has nothing to do with the Nigerian man. He is at heavy advantage.

It's MGTOW. Not MGTOWBOM (Men Going Their Own Way Because Of Marriage).

The crux of the movement is to have as little to do with any society that is harmful to men, particularly in the sense of establishing norms, social constructs, or laws that value the challenges women face over the challenges men face.

That goes beyond child support and alimony. And has as much to do with the extant state of things as with the trajectory.

The sole reason why feminism draws the ire of the movement is because it is the most vocal belligerent in the Battle of the Sexes.

The Nigerian man, and most men in the majority of non-Western countries, view the plights of the Western Man as sad and are being vigilant. It explains why they're reluctant to make concessions and readily rebroadcast horror stories, because we know all to well that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

So whether it's the fact that the courts in the US found it prudent to order a man who was raped in the US to pay child support for the child resulting from that rape incident.

Or the fact the French legal system considers it illegal to ask for paternity test.

Or the fact that Israeli law enforcement as a matter of principle declines to prosecute false witnesses in sexual assault cases.

And that no feminist group is decent enough to admit that "maybe we went too far on that count" based on the "By Any Means" doctrine.

Then yea, you'd have sensible men going: "You don't mean it." That, that, that could easily be us. And if we don't set a perimeter, that WILL be us in the near future.

So no, men in more conservative cultures are not going to wait until they have to pay alimony for life to an unproductive, conniving, excessively entitled waste of space and oxygen before they go, "you know what, I think things are getting too weird around here."

-Lord

LilMissFavvy:
Funny how some people are trying desperately to force others into debates even when they are clueless and have made no tangible points so far........ . I admire the maturity of some ladies here......it's best to ignore the clueless folks.

E tire person, I can't even be bothered

LilMissFavvy:
Funny how some people are trying desperately to force others into debates even when they are clueless and have made no tangible points so far........ . I admire the maturity of some ladies here......it's best to ignore the clueless folks.

Why not go the extra mile and just vacate the thread rather than giving each other shoulder pats and having your heads locked in each others privates like a chain of cunnilingus.

-Lord