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| Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:14am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Why does God not declare himself as the God of Adam? For we know that Abraham sinned even as Adam did. Why then did He not call himself the God of Adam? Why did He not say the God of Abel, the seed of Adam? Why instead did He call himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob? Why according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham? Why from among all men should God have called himself the God of these three particular persons? 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by 2special(m): 12:21am On Sep 28, 2019 |
He does as he please... No one can question his action 4 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by paxonel(m): 1:27am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Who says God did not declare that he was God of Adam? by giving Adam instruction on what to do and Adam obeyed, what do you call that, man to man relationship? |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Nobody: 3:40am On Sep 28, 2019 |
The reason is because of the covenant he made with Abraham which was passed on to isaac and Jacob hence he introduce himself as The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by hakeem4(m): 5:40am On Sep 28, 2019 |
OP you can’t understand god with your human mind you need to speak to the Holy Ghost so he can translate the word of god to you The reason why I think Christians don’t call him god of Adam is probably because Adam never did anything extraordinary. Look at Abraham he almost sacrificed his son Moses divided the water in twos  Adam was literally useless. He didn’t do anything spectacular apart from eating the forbidden fruit. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 7:15am On Sep 28, 2019 |
hakeem4:How about Enoch,Methuselah,Noah and the rest.Notice how Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and so are those forming the Jewish genealogy.The Jews made the bible basically about them- the so called chosen people. 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MuttleyLaff: 11:53am On Sep 28, 2019 |
ichuka:Nwanne, hi, long time. The reason is because as you know, the word God, is synonymous with "influential power". God influenced Abram when he told Abram to leave his country, his relatives and his father's house to a place He would show him, and Abram obeyed. Adam when he disobeyed God's word, didn't do so under the influence of God. So therefore, gets himself disqualified from having God seeing Himself, as the God of Adam. Its just as simple as that. If further illumination is needed please don't hesitate to ask 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:10pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You are right Bro. But my view point is on Abraham Isaac and Jacob why not just God of Abraham alone,why must He include Isaac and Jacob too? He choose these three personalities for a reason. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:12pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
BeLookingIDIOT:Yes not God of Enoch and Noah etc |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:14pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
2special:God always has a reason for doing anything. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MuttleyLaff: 12:15pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
ichuka:Adam for being naughty and disobedient doesnt go with God declaring Himself the God of Adam. It'll be like as if God condoned his wrongdoing. God didnt just start with Abraham alone, He continued with Isaac and then Jacob, later known as Israel. Remember how He first blessed Abraham and talked about his descendants etcetera, then eventually 430 years plus later, Moses told the Israelites that the God of their fathers, sent him to them etcetera The covenant to bless the world was through what was promised Abraham and re- stated with Isaac and Jacob 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:20pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
paxonel:There's a difference between a student in the university and someone that just wrote jamb. The latter is trying to be admitted into a school,while the first already carries the school name. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 12:25pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
solite3:But He also entered a covenant with Noah after the flood Gen9:17..New American Standard Bible And God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth." |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by orisa37: 1:06pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
He is God and Creator of Everything. He is God of you. Abraham was a different Covenant from Adam. And that's why you hear it like that. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by paxonel(m): 1:28pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
ichuka:you don't expect the bible to indicate everything do you? The bible did not indicate God saying I'm the God of Adam just like it did when God said I'm the God Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but certainly he was the God of Adam and the scriptures does not need to indicate that. Why? Because he created Adam. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Nobody: 2:20pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
ichuka:the covenant God entered with Abraham was special in that it also concerns the coming of the seed (Christ) through whom the whole world will be blessed. It was a promise that was yet to be fulfilled in the old testament but fulfilled in the new. When God refers to himself as The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob he reminds the hearer of the certainty of the Abrahamic covenant. Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Jesus used this verse to reinstate the fact about the certainty of God's promise of resurrection which is to be fulfilled by Jesus, neither time nor events can override the promise God made to Abraham through the seed both in the restoration of Israel to their original possession and of the coming resurrection. I Am the God of Abraham isaac and Jacob is a powerful reminder that what he has promised to the patriarchs he would fulfill it. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MuttleyLaff: 8:03pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
solite3:I dont think ichuka is satisfied that his questions have been given fair treatment answers so the following reattempts to shed more light. 1/ Why does God not declare himself as the God of Adam? Answer: You first, need to know who God is and how God is defined God is a force that has the ability and capacity to do anything. God is a power that has the ability and capacity to make anything act in a particular way. God couldnt declared Himself as the God of Adam, because Adam by choice and freewill decided not to be influenced by God 2/ For we know that Abraham sinned even as Adam did. Why then did He not call himself the God of Adam? Answer: It has nothing to do with knowing that Abraham sinned even as Adam did, but that the incriminating evidence is that Adam disobeyed God, and so this act prevented God from able to call Himself the God of Adam. On what basis, what will justify God calling Himself the God of Adam 3/ Why did He not say the God of Abel, the seed of Adam? Answer: God could have said that about Abel that He is the God of Abel, but He didnt. He didnt say so, not necessarily that it isnt true but that God in His wisdom didnt say it. 4/ Why instead did He call himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob? Answer: God started with Abram, when He influenced Abram, and told Abram to leave his country, his relatives and his father's house to a place He would show him, then after when Abram obeyed, God made a covenant with him (i.e. read Genesis 15:18-21 about it) The promise God made with Abram didnt just stop or end with Abraham, as God kept the promise going, by repeating and confirming it to Abraham's son, Isaac (i.e. notice this in Genesis 26:3, where God said to Isaac: Live here as a foreigner in this land, and I will be with you and bless you. I hereby confirm that I will give all these lands to you and your descendants, just as I solemnly promised Abraham, your father) The assurance given to Isaac was continued and passed on to Isaac's son, Jacob, later known as Israel (i.e. notice how in Genesis 28:13, it staetes that, at the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, “I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants) God calls Himself the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob based on the promise He made and the formal agreement to each one of those individuals 5/ Why according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham? Answer: #1/ Abram believed God, and God because of this, counted him as righteous because of his faith. #2/ The prophetic, the first gospel mentioned to Eve in Genesis 3:15, began to unravel with Abraham, when God in Genesis 22:18, said to Abraham: "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." There ichuka is why, according to the flesh was our Lord Jesus, is presented in the New Testament as having been born of the seed of Abraham. 6/ Why from among all men should God have called himself the God of these three particular persons? Answer: Revisit the answer given in #4 above. "Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? (i.e. I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me)" - Jeremiah 32:27 Meanwhile if I were you, I wouldnt be splitting hair, because King Darius in Daniel 6:26, honors God, with the "God of somebody" line, by stating: "I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end." Remember, the word, God is synonymous with "influential power". God is a supernatural entity and has the capacity to have positive effects on someone's or something's character, development and/or behaviour. God is the Affect, that brings about positive effects. The word God, is closely associated with influencing or tending to suggest an idea of influence ichuka, Jeremiah 32:27 above just re-echoes that, Yahweh, is God over every creation, creature or creativity, as in, God, in the sense that He influences and/or influenced them 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 6:41am On Sep 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Thanks so much Bro I will add something to what you have already said in my next post regarding the three personalities . Thanks again |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 6:42am On Sep 29, 2019 |
Ex3:6 New American Standard Bible He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God. Apart from the fact that God had covenanted with these three men, He takes them up as representative personages. He chooses them to represent three types of men in the world. What type of man is Abraham? He is a giant of faith. He is rather uncommon; in fact, he is quite special. As the God of Abraham, God declares himself to be the God of excellent people. Yet, thanks be to God, He is not only the God of the excellent. Were He merely this kind of God, we would sink into despair because we are not persons of excellence. But God is also the God of Isaac. What type of person is Isaac? He is very ordinary. He eats whenever he can, and sleeps as he has opportunity. He is neither a wonder man nor a wicked person. How this fact has comforted many of us! Yet God is not only the God of the ordinary men, He is also the God of the bad men: He is the God of Jacob too, for in the Scriptures Jacob is pictured as one of the worst persons to be found in the Old Testament. Hence through these three persons, God is telling us that He is the God of Abraham the best, the God of Isaac the ordinary, and the God of Jacob the worst. He is the God of those with great faith, He is the God of the common people, and He is also the God of the lowest of men such as thieves and prostitutes. Suppose I am special like Abraham; then He is my God. Suppose I am ordinary like Isaac; then He is also my God. And suppose from my mother’s womb I have been bad like Jacob was in that I have striven with my brother; then He is still my God. He has a way with the excellent, with the common, and with the worst of humanity. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MuttleyLaff: 7:35am On Sep 29, 2019 |
ichuka:"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? (i.e. I am the LORD, the God of all humankind. There is, indeed, nothing too difficult for me)" - Jeremiah 32:27 You have confirmed what God in Jeremiah 32:27 was conveying about being the God of all flesh or the God of all humankind, that He is the God of the good, the bored and the fugly He is God of the good (i.e. Abram/Abraham), He is God of the bored & ordinary (i.e. Isaac) and He is the God of the fugly bad (i.e. Jacob/Israel) 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by 1Sharon(f): 7:57am On Sep 29, 2019 |
hakeem4: You say he is useless. Is Adam not your fada? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Bruno3000(m): 8:09am On Sep 29, 2019 |
You are right. Same with Methuselah dem. They just occupied space, no achievement whatsoever. THEY LACKED THE SPIRITUAL C.V. TO WIN THE HEART OF GOD. hakeem4: |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by hakeem4(m): 8:30am On Sep 29, 2019 |
1Sharon:well i cant claim him as my father cause he probably never existed. |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 9:15am On Sep 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Correct again bro He's not just the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob nor is He just the God of ochibuogwu5, HRHQueenPhil(f), Ihedinobi3, nnamdiosu(m), ireneony(f), Explorers(m), Ishilove, Pidggin(f), Anas09, MuttleyLaff, live4dgospel(m), italo, doyinbaby(f), solite3(m), richmekus, bloodofthelamb(m), annyplenty(m), SonofIssachar, jiggaz(m), emvico(m), pamijlove(f), BIBLESPEAKS(m), joyberry(f), pressplay411(m), ScienceWatch, titilayo1993(f), plainbibletruth, fabem(m), An2elect2(f), shdemidemi(m), DrummaBoy(m), Enigma(m), Candour(m), Alwaystrue(f), OLAADEGBU(m), Goshen360(m), aletheia(m), bigd4050, 5solas(m) /1sharon But The God of All Flesh |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 9:19am On Sep 29, 2019 |
hakeem4:lol Maybe you need a refresher in bible class 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 9:22am On Sep 29, 2019 |
1Sharon:Don't mind him |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by CAPSLOCKED: 9:36am On Sep 29, 2019 |
2special: ABSOLUTEY CORRECT. THEN I WONDER WHY PEOPLE PRAY, TRYING TO INFLUENCE HIS ACTIONS AND INACTIONS. 3 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by 2special(m): 9:39am On Sep 29, 2019 |
The best approach is to pray for the holy spirit to interpret whatever l don't understand to me...there are something beyond human comprehension. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by ichuka(m): 6:06pm On Sep 29, 2019 |
2special:Yes the Spirit is our Teacher and the course is Christ. 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Ihedinobi3: 9:43pm On Sep 29, 2019 |
ichuka: ichuka:Hello. Your question is a very good one. I'm afraid that my answer will differ to some significant degree from yours. Solite3 already began the right answer, so that is where I will be continuing from. I am offering my answer not for a debate but for correction and for help to anyone who may be willing to learn what the Bible teaches. To begin then, God designates Himself as He does because of His Covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Yes, the Lord made a covenant with Noah and his descendants, just as He later did with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but a cursory glance at the two covenants shows that they were quite different. While in the Noahic covenant, the Lord is guaranteeing to humankind as a whole that it will have its full time and all resources it needs to make its choice about the Lord, the Abrahamic covenant was concerned with Redemption. That is, the Lord was guaranteeing that Satan will never again be allowed to tempt humanity in a way that can lead to its total annihilation. He was guaranteeing the preservation of human free will, the provision of everything human beings need to make their choice about God, protection from even the animals in such a way that human life would be preserved. That covenant was made with every living creature of every kind (Genesis 9:16), so it was really about the preservation of human kind from the kind of interference that Satan did in the matter of the Nephilim. Man was to have all the time allotted to him by the Lord - all of his seven thousand years - to make his choice about the Lord. Satan would never again bring things to such a bleak position that all of humankind would be nearly exterminated in such an awesome judgment as the Flood. During the Tribulation, the Lord will indeed make human beings so scarce that they will be rarer than gold of exceptional quality (Isaiah 13:12). Even then, mankind will not be so rare that only a family of 8 will be found on earth. There will still be a considerable population left at the Lord's Return, and even after the Seven Thunder Judgments, there will be possibly several million human beings left on earth. That is not to mention the Lord's pity on the rest of the world's living creatures, which will survive in equally relative abundant quantities. This is to show that the Lord keeps His Word. The Abrahamic Covenant, on the other hand, is concerned not merely with the survival of the human race, but with its Redemption. Although the Lord guarantees a fair chance to choose to even unbelievers through His Covenant with Noah, with Abraham, His concern is with believers, that is, the faithful among the humans, the Church, Israel, God's Own Share of the Human Race. Abraham was the first Hebrew (Genesis 14:13; 17:1-23). You may remember that in the days of Abraham's great-great-great-grandfather Peleg, the Lord divided the world's homogeneous population into nations. They continued their rebellion against Him in their respective languages and cultures. God chose Abraham specifically to build a new nation for Himself through him. That nation was to be the conduit through which the whole world would be saved. It was to be the Messiah's nation. Abraham was a man of faith just like Adam, Abel, Seth, Enoch, and Noah. They all believed in the Lord and looked forward to His Redemption, but Abraham was the one through whom the Lord was going to work that Salvation out by the creation of a nation. He was rigorously tested for this reason. He was led by the Lord away from his idolatrous family to live in an idolatrous and dangerous land where the Lord protected him. He was kept from having a child for much longer than many of us can endure. Then, when he did have the child, the Lord tested him with a command too hard for many of us to bear. He passed these tests in flying colors. The last one which demanded the sacrifice of Isaac was actually a type of what God intended with Abraham. Just as Abraham was to give up Isaac, the Lord was going to give up His One and Only Son. That was the whole point of the nation that was to come out of Abraham. What about Isaac? Abraham had many sons including Isaac's older brother Ishmael. Isaac was the only one of them who inherited God's Covenant with Abraham, because he too trusted in his father's God. His patience in the matter of the wells in Genesis 26, his patience in waiting for a wife, and in waiting for his wife to have children, is a clear demonstration of his great faith in the Lord. He was the one through whom Israel would come, not the other sons of Abraham. So, he was the next father of Israel. Jacob? No, Jacob was not one of the worst people in the Old Testament. That is an incredibly unfair assessment of the man. There are few believers today and there are very few throughout the history of humanity who are as great as Jacob was. His was a more tortured history with the Lord, it is true, but he was perhaps the best illustration of what Israel as a nation would be. Israel as a nation is violently passionate and zealous for the Lord whenever it is at all interested in Him, but it is also a most rebellious nation whenever it is not interested in Him. It is an all-or-nothing kind of nation. Jacob was a lot like that. He was a man who lived on his wits or else he was a man who depended entirely on the Lord. In his youth, he depended on his cunning. As he got older, his attitude changed. He grew to be a most trusting believer in the Lord. His life was full of terrors, but the Lord delivered him out of them all so that he could say both of the following: [9]So Jacob said to Pharaoh, "The years of my sojourning are one hundred and thirty; few and unpleasant have been the years of my life, nor have they attained the years that my fathers lived during the days of their sojourning." Genesis 47:9 NASB [16]The angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads; And may my name live on in them, And the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And may they grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth." Genesis 48:16 NASB All these three men were remarkable believers. Abraham had Paradise in Sheol named after him, for example. Isaac was a type of none other than the Lord Jesus Himself. Jacob was also Israel, himself a type of the eternal nation Israel, which is actually the Church, the Bride of Christ. It is incredible how these men were honored by the Lord. They were the fathers of Israel. The Redemption that all believers from Adam until the last believer to die before the Cross waited for was made possible through their obedience. That they are three in number is also significant since three is the number of the Godhead. God made it so as to make it clear that Israel was and would be His Own Special Nation. As we have come to learn in the New Testament, Israel is the eternal organization into which all believers of the Church Age beginning from Adam until the last believer to believe before the Second Advent are sorted. We who believe are part of Israel. In Resurrection, this will be confirmed with our new bodies and rewards. Those who believe after the Second Advent will be sorted into other nations in the Eternal State. Israel is very special indeed, not least, as I said, because it is God's Firstborn among the nations. So, when God calls Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, He is referring to His Plan of Redemption, His Plan to redeem us through our free will choice to believe in Him and accept the Perfect Sacrifice that He provides in our behalf for our sins against Him. The Cross, after all, is the Foundation of all Creation. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Anas09: 12:40pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
ichuka:What is the purpose of this? |
| Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by Nobody: 2:07pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
ichuka: He is NOT the God of the dead but of the living! Luke 20:38 All those who have alienated themselves from God are DEAD spiritually speaking {Matthew 8:22} Satan is the first, followed by Even and Adam, then a host of other angels and humans also joined Satan in the rebellion. All these are God's children, whether human or angels but destruction awaits them all. Job 1:6 From his memory book their names can't be found {Hebrew 11:4-32} that's why he(God) speaks of himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These ones struggled to remain loyal to him until death. Jesus also spoke that this our God is his own God as well {John 20:17compared to Luke 23:46}, because Jesus remained faithful to his God until death! John 19:30 Of course God also have individuals who aren't Jews in his memory book e.g Job {Job 1:1}, but when speaking with Israelites he often mention names familiar to them. You can't expect him to start listing the names of all those in his memory book. That's why he made sure that the good deeds of those he cherished were documented in the Bible so you and i can examine anyone from what was written about Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Whoever lived a virtuous life like these ones are well kept in his mind for resurrection! 2Chronicles 16:9a But as for Adam, Eve, Cain, Nimrod and other evildoers, they're gone as in GONE FOR GOOD as their names can't be found anywhere in God's memory ~ The Book Of Life! Revelations 20:15 God bless you!  4 Likes 3 Shares |
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