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| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by ServantsOfTruth: 11:32am On Oct 06, 2019 |
If a Christian witnesses an accident and the only spare money they have is their tithe, it is good to use it to save the life of the accident victim, instead of bringing it to church for the pastor. What is the great law in the world ? It's love 3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? 4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; 5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6 And they could not answer him again to these things. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 11:35am On Oct 06, 2019 |
executive12:They are both in charge of God's house 1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by ServantsOfTruth: 11:37am On Oct 06, 2019 |
If your mother is dying and the only money you have is your tithe money will you go give it to the church and let your mother die? 3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? 4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; 5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6 And they could not answer him again to these things. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Hausaman1: 11:37am On Oct 06, 2019 |
fabienjoe:As usual, buy Wine and jolly till dawn, buy wine jolly till dawn the cycle continues. What a religion. Turn water to wine 1st miracle. Dem Larger people. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Bukasint: 11:44am On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Are you blind didn't you see it's says don't neglect the Levite's living in your towns did God say his house?? |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by puresaint(m): 11:45am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Fr. Oluma St Luke's Kubwa ....Abuja That year |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 11:48am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Thank you! alBHAGDADI: |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by HabuD: 11:50am On Oct 06, 2019 |
You have spoken my mind. People should do exactly what the bible commands and don't add anything or detract from it to suit man or a situation. alBHAGDADI: |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Ronline(m): 11:52am On Oct 06, 2019 |
God bless you Rev. for that.. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 11:56am On Oct 06, 2019 |
ServantsOfTruth:What you've done is to make it seem like Jesus said we can trample on the laws of God in certain situations. This means that if you are praying to God to show you the way to treat your mother and he hasn't answered, you can go meet a sorcerer, a thing he commands against? The Sabbath is a day meant for no work. People were meant not to do any work that brings monetary profit. That's why they could take their bath, eat, keep the house clean etc. But trading and doing business was prohibited. The Pharisees went extreme by preventing every other activities, that's why they were surprised that Jesus healed a man on Sabbath day, something that is not business nor brings monetary profit. Jesus had to explain to them that Sabbath doesn't prevent them from doing certain things. They simply didn't understand what Sabbath represented. Helping an accident victim is good but don't call it you paying your tithe. Help the person them go pay your tithe. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by drmistng: 11:59am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Malachi 3 was never intended to be a message for New Covenant Christians, and the “church” was never the “storehouse” for New Covenant giving. In further studying the book of Malachi, we know that Numbers 35, Joshua 21, 2 Chronicles 31:15,19; and Nehemiah 10:37-38; 13:10 show that the Levites and priests lived in provided suburbs of designated Levitical cities. The people brought food to the Levitical cities, and then the Levites only brought 10% of that to the priests at the Temple, and then the priests at the Temple were to share with “Levites and singers and gatekeepers” (Nehemiah 13:5). The people were never the ones who were commanded to bring all the tithes to the Temple, therefore Malachi 3:10 must only refer to the priests who had removed the tithe from the storehouse, as seen in Nehemiah 13:5-10 (Eliashib the priest and Tobiah had taken over the storeroom and hadn’t given the proper share to “Levites and singers and gatekeepers”). Since the Levites had not been given their prescribed portions of food, “they and the singers who were to conduct the worship services had all returned to work their fields”. The priests had stolen the tithe from the Levites, and also the priests had married pagan wives, (“one of the sons ?of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was a son-in-law of ?Sanballat the Horonite; therefore I drove him from me”, Nehemiah 13:28). Then came along a priest (Ezra) and a governor (Nehemiah) who had the literal zeal to literally cleanse the defiled priesthood and restore the priests to their covenant (Ezra 9-10; Neh. 13:8-13, 29-31). We must not ignore this historical context of Nehemiah and Ezra when reading the book of Malachi. Those who were guilty of robbing God in Malachi 3:8 were the ministering priests and not the people. The majority of the book of Malachi is addressed to dishonest Old Covenant priests (see verses 1:6 and 2:1). For the second time, in verse 2:1, God distinctly makes it clear that He is specifically addressing the priests. Since there is no corresponding text anywhere else in the book of Malachi where God has changed his primary audience, then the conclusion must be that God didn’t change his primary audience for the remainder of the book, and is still speaking directly to priests. The only specific covenant mentioned in Malachi is God’s Covenant with the priests (and Levites). Malachi 2:8 says, “you priests have left God’s paths. Your instructions have caused many to stumble into sin. You have corrupted the covenant I made with the Levites”. The curse in Malachi 3:9 had already been used 4 times by Malachi in specifically addressing the priests. If Malachi 3:5 had referred to the entire nation sinning by oppressing the needy by not bringing tithes, then why are the priests NOT included in the list of those who need the tithes? Logic dictates that the priests must AGAIN be the OPPRESSOR rather than the OPPRESSED. Throughout the book of Malachi, the priests have been the main villains. So again, in Malachi, God is angry at the priests, and it’s the priests who have robbed God and they are the ones who are then presented with the choice of either blessings or curses. THEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT Matthew 23:23, Tithing is for your heart, then it’s more of a heart issue than anything else. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Jesus confirmed at the beginning of Matt 23:23 that tithes only came from food. Money was never ever offered as a tithe even if that’s all you had to give. Let’s not neglect the former part of the entire conversation in Matthew 23 where Jesus words also said to “you” to obey the Pharisees. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 11:59am On Oct 06, 2019 |
HabuD:What I typed sounds very bitter to all those critics, but it's the truth which is always bitter. The Reverend's words sounded sweet and pleasing to them because they are lies and lies are always sweet. That is just how the anti-christ will deceive many. He will tell them sweet lies and they will embrace it against the word of God |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by William5432: 11:59am On Oct 06, 2019 |
perousd:Much love bro, you answered it all. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Joshmanfashion(m): 12:00pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Lalastical abi Wetin dem they called am our pastors are so corrupt to the level of following your tithes up to see if you are remitting innocently, the most important thing is to remove it spend it on what God would have used it for if the money is given to him directly. Thank you
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| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Kaycee54321(m): 12:02pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
'God's money' that Pastor will end up using to give his family lives most of his members cannot afford.... Even Benny Hinn that brainwashed a lot of people has had a second thought due to pity after all the flexing ![]() Anyways, since Florence told me how one Pastor used to promise her money after collecting offering and tithe, I kuku stopped. Jati Jati. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 12:02pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Bukasint:Is the accident victim of the tribe of Levi? ![]() |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Dwizeone: 12:04pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Tithe is not for the new convenant believer, it’s a lot to explain with the scriptures. alBHAGDADI: |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Rabbi8: 12:06pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Dozi05:God Bless You as I tap from your blessing... |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 12:09pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
perousd:Your last paragraph doesn't explain the need to help an accident victim. It says help the brethren. The brethren here means our brothers in Christ. Not everyone is your brother. Satan has his own children, therefore they can't be your brethren. 1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Now, how do we love or help our brother? We help them from the tithe money we pay to church. If a brethren had an accident, the church is informed and money is sent from tithe collection to cater for his medical bills. Doing that is doing same to God. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by BrainSanitizer: 12:10pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:And which is more qualified to be a temple (house) of God? The Church building or the human body? 1 Cor. 6:19 |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 12:18pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:This is a counsel from the pit of hell, even the devil can quote scriptures wrongly to support every heresy as you have done here. The two great laws are love your GOD with all your heart, soul, mind and strength (not with your tithes to your church), while the second is love your neighbour as your self (with all your material and spiritual resources). You cannot be going to the church with your tithes and be involved in an accident and not use the money to treat yourself first. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by gidjah(m): 12:25pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Apination:hmmmm I kinda get your point here sir, I am a clergy and I shall ever be ready to tell my members that while thite are not a MUST in this new testament, (God already paid a thite of all , using Christ on the cross)Sacrificial giving and offerings are the very most important, since they are not under oath or law. I HAVE A QUESTION HERE TOO, WHO ARE THE LEVITES (without inheritance )in this new testament?the pastors, bishops, etc ??this would answer our questions and clear out our arguments |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by studentofTruth: 12:25pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Anybody that sees something wrong with this teaching hasn't learned anything from the parable of the Good Samaritan! |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by studentofTruth: 12:27pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
gidjah:There are no Levites in Christendom! |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by kelly72: 12:32pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Lolz, Abraham proceeded to sacrifice his son as God commanded him, but a pastor was not meant to take Isaac's body for food after the sacrifice. Anyways, the priest was right. Nowhere in the Bibile was a congregation asked to give 10% of each person's money to one pastor. Instead, Bible said you should bring it to God's storehouse and you will be blessed. In the Bible days no one man owned the church, the apostles and the early Christians lived like a community, the tithes were for taking care of the widows, the orphans, the strangers, the Levites, the weak and of course, leaders of the faith but go and read Paul's letter to the Romans. He said eventhough he was entitled to be fed by the people, he chose not to and decided to work, so that nobody misunderstood his intentions. Even the early Christian leaders washed their hands off the sharing of food and left it for a committee so that they could concentrate on spreading the gospel. In much of Europe, you are a catholic, some orthodox Christian or you are considered not a Christian. The world over, Christian groups pull money including tithes together to do humanitarian services that advance the gospel of Christ. But what a typical Nigerian pentecostal church goer understands is that God requires him to give a tenth of his monthly income to his pastor, who then buys personal property everywhere, boasts about how he needs a private jet and lives life on God's money like a drug baron whilst the tithe payers languish in poverty. Only in Nigeria |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by studentofTruth: 12:33pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:And what did you learn from the parable of the Good Samaritan? |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by gidjah(m): 12:35pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
ursullalinda:you are very correct about ty, the way and manner we have turned this religion to disgusts me, do u know people would hardly come to church this days if theres nothing for them to gain?God has now be ome naija bet system, God must give u back for everything u give to him as if God owes man ?If God gives us anything, its because he chooses to favour that person. The clergyies are now playing on the mind of members as if in a game were u trade !People now do not give out of the love for God rather for what they wanna get back in return !!what a mess !! |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by sexyking1: 12:40pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Jesus never mentioned tithe in the Bible, but He specifically and emphatically mentioned giving to the poor as the only access to the kingdom of God! But because of your greed and one store church your loots opens all over Nigeria, you embrace that verse in old testament and forsake other verses in the same old testament. |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by erico2k2(m): 12:41pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:what did the bible refer to as tithe? |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by erico2k2(m): 12:41pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
sexyking1:Thank you Joor |
| Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by gidjah(m): 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
studentofTruth:in this era of new testament you mean ? |
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