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HeyCorleone:
These are truths.

And I'm surprised to see many JWs attack your person rather than try to counter the points you raised.

I for one know that nothing gets a Jehovah's Witness hard like condemning the Catholic Church. It gives them the ultimate erection. And I'm Catholic. I read their tracts. I see the sneak disses. I just laugh.. Childish.

What I like is their voluntary nature. Something similar to Catholicism. But they are quite pompous. An evidence to that fact is the topic of this thread. Quite unnecessary and very infantile.

Very unnecessary thread. they sure do love to blow their trumpet.

rottennaija:
See the screenshot below to see how mentally enriching it can be

I like how you can take a little part of something to represent the whole

I hope you didn't miss out on the part I mentioned I don't agree with all their doctrines.

OkCornel:
I don’t agree with some JW doctrines, and I regularly make it known to them. They also tell me it’s normal, as we cannot agree on everything.
However, kudos to the things they’re getting right. Their Awake and Watchtower publications are well researched and informative. I read them from time to time.

Now be sincere and honest, are Awake and Watchtower publications trash and jargons?

Acrobatics01:
Usually, our prayers are said calmly, we don't disturb others with our prayers since we are praying to the one who hears and knows everything.
As individuals, we say a lot if private and personal prayers, some if them will involve emotions that we cry just like Hannah did when she went to the temple.
All these are noticed by us and God and no one else.

Why wouldn't you people follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ as he prayed when Lazarus died? Did he pray in his heart?

Edybleketara:
their biggest problem is hypocrisy. outwardly jws behave like saints, but in secret, they do the opposite of what they preach.
they also have a knack for berating other religions. they believe they are the only ones who will be saved, and refer to other religions as Babylon the great- the world empire of false religion.

You are right, I had a landlord then in school whose house was just opposite his fellow Witness but they were cat and dog
The church tried to settle their differences but no way, and I wondered how they worship same place

I have said it many times on this forum that Jehovah witnesses are my favourite brand of Christians.

Unlike the other loud mouths,

they walk the talk.

Jehovah witnesses are not 'Christians'. They are a sect that try to draw their tenets from the Christian faith, but deny the core essence of it. They deny the mystery of godliness - God being manifested in the flesh and justified in the Spirit.

Emescot:
I like the fact they don't believe in hell, their explanation on that makes sense, but I hate the fact they don't pray before anything, I hate the fact they don't see Jesus as God, I hate the fact that they think their Bible is the only correct one, I hate that they teach that every other religion is a tool of the devil, they teach that Christ will found a temporary kingdom here on earth, but forgot I that Jesus said in John's Gospel "My kingdom is not of this World...".

What do I know self...

Don't you believe your own bible is the correct one?

Holysholay:
My neighbor who is a JW never came to my baby naming ceremony nd dey never came to say hi to d newly born baby... and u want me to believe dat religion is ok?

They claimed dey are JW nd dont attend Naming ceremory. I asked them if its burial ceremony dey like to attend.

OP, I hate this particular neighbor for this.

Chai
Are you a Christian?
What would Jesus do?

1 John 2 (King James Version)
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 4 (King James Version)
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1: 7 (King James Version)
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

sacx:
Jehovah witnesses are not 'Christians'. They are a sect that try to draw their tenets from the Christian faith, but deny the core essence of it. They deny the mystery of godliness - God being manifested in the flesh and justified in the Spirit.

Emescot:
I like the fact they don't believe in hell, their explanation on that makes sense, but I hate the fact they don't pray before anything, I hate the fact they don't see Jesus as God, I hate the fact that they think their Bible is the only correct one, I hate that they teach that every other religion is a tool of the devil, they teach that Christ will found a temporary kingdom here on earth, but forgot I that Jesus said in John's Gospel "My kingdom is not of this World...".

What do I know self...

"if Christians imbibed some of their lifestyles" - you're implying JW aren't Christians, the same way they condemn you guys too. Confusion! confusion!! Confusion!!! That's why when a person says " I am a Christian", you will need to ask which one of the thousands of christianities the person follows.

TemmyT002:
Other Christians also behave differently from what they preach so...

I know, but they exalts their selves before men

How can a group whose founder is a member of free mason that his teachings are contradictory to the message of Christ, be seen as the standard. As far as am concerned they teach heresies.

The witch of Endor showed more hospitality and acceptability to king Saul than that the JW ever showed to anybody.
Should we then aspire to become witches?
Content is more important than packaging; expect of course the intent is deception.
What is the content of JW's teachings? They claim to be Christians, [followers of Christ] but what they teach runs contrary to what Jesus Christ himself taught. They have even altered some contents of the bible to accommodate and validate their erroneous doctrines.
I give an instance: In the book of Genesis 1: the creation account opined that God Almighty created the Heavens and the earth, as well as all things therein by His 'WORD'; this 'WORD' was in the gospel of John 1: 1-4; clearly identified as Jesus Christ Who is one and same as God from the beginning.
But in distorting the truth, the JW group, either because they do not believe in the Trinity concept or whatever, decided to reprint the 'WORD' to start with small letter 'w' and by so doing belittled the God nature status of Jesus Christ to that below an idol. Get a copy of their sect bible and confirm this by yourself.
Another false doctrine the JW sect usually peddle around, is teaching that there is no hell fire where those who do not repent of their sins and embrace the salvation plan of Jesus Christ will be confined to for eternity. This is contrary to the direct teachings of Jesus Christ, Whom Himself made many references to hell fire. Matthew.5:22.; Mark.9:43-48; Luke.16:23-24; Rev.21:8;
Christianity is basically the faith God Himself designed to save mankind from the eternal damnation sin condemned us all to.
But then, if the JW sect is teaching that eternal damnation in hell does not exist, then their classification as Christian believers is a misnomer.

Kolping:
1 John 2 (King James Version)
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 4 (King James Version)
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1: 7 (King James Version)
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Whoever denies that Jesus is God does not know the Father nor the Son.

OkCornel:
I like how you can take a little part of something to represent the whole

I hope you didn't miss out on the part I mentioned I don't agree with all their doctrines.



Now be sincere and honest, are Awake and Watchtower publications trash and jargons?

A publication with the shell life of 10 years, is it trash an jargons?

ngwababe:
But the Bible called it everlasting torment in a lake of fire, what then do they mean by total destruction? If souls that did not sin will go to paradise, then, where will the souls that sinned go?

I'm yet to believe you in that part of the holy spirit, a JW should prove me wrong.

They will cease to exist

studentofTruth:
We have been there!
Bro, there's no answer to that question without diminishing any of the four attributes of God, according to Christian teaching: omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, and infinitely loving. Agreed, logically speaking, it's impossible to possess all the four attributes, but God transcends logic.

Make peace with that and move on.

Something that may you not to cross the red line — "God loves you infinitely (in a personal sense)" is a scam!

God's love for you is only to the extent that you're a part of his game — just the way a farmer loves his tool; a pharmacust loves his laboratory rats, or an embryologist loves the cells he's using for his research.

Remember this, you need Him more than He needs you!

Peace to your soul brother!

thanks...I appreciate your opinion

TemmyT002:
Taking Nigeria as a case study, if you are not a Jehovah’s Witness, you must have heard from some pastors or some other Christians like you about how the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the wrong gospel. You must have heard them say that they use the wrong Bible. They must have told you to kick them out of your house or never let them in. They might have even told you that listening to them could lead you to Hell Fire.

My view about them changed when I related with one of them during an external tutorial class. There was a single guy among the rest in a mixed class of Christians and Muslims. This guy was the only Jehovah’s Witness. We all had a lot of fun bullying him. We made jest of his bag and made jest of the fact that he was a Jehovah’s Witness.

Despite all these bullying, he never retaliated. We were still kids back then and our knowledge of the Bible was what we were taught in our different churches. We argued over some verses in the bible and the guy took pains to explain some topics based on what he had been taught. We all shut him down, of course.

Years later, I had the opportunity to visit one of their Kingdom Halls. I had read a lot of their FREE publications and I wanted to see what they did there. I was wowed. I have been to many other churches but this Kingdom Hall was different.

The surprising part was that after the service, I met this guy again and he was so happy to see me. I was surprised. I thought he would make jest of me and ask why I was there. Instead, he and the other people there showed me love.

How are the Jehovah’s Witnesses better Christians than the rest of us?

1. THEY FACE MORE PERSECUTIONS

The Bible says “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”- Matthew 5:10

John 15:18- “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”

2 Timothy 3:12 – “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.”

You will agree with me that Christians in Nigeria also get persecuted but the persecutions occur mostly in the Northern part of Nigeria. Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, are many all over the world and they are persecuted more than all other Christians of different denominations. The recent one occurred in Russia.

The Southwestern part of Nigeria, which is full of the Yorubas is considered to be full of people who are tolerant and accept you into their society no matter your status or religion. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses still get persecuted there most of the time.

I watched an American movie about the Second World War and at the end of the movie, some statistics were listed based on the number of people who were killed by Hitler’s Soldiers. Apart from the Jews, the homosexuals, and blacks, I was surprised to see Jehovah’s Witnesses listed among them too.

2. DONATIONS ARE VOLUNTARY

Unlike in other Christian churches where people are forced or even threatened to make donations, donations in Kingdom Halls of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are quite voluntary. When you walk into one of their Halls, you will see a box right at the entrance calling you to make voluntary donations.

In other churches, publications are not free. Pastors and General Overseers write a lot of books. Some churches even produce a lot of books for the benefit of their congregations but these books are not free. This is different with Jehovah’s Witnesses.

In each Kingdom Hall, at least the ones I have been to, there is a special place where lots of books and publications are arranged. You can pick any book depending on the language you want for free.

You might have seen them giving out books on the streets and they would never ask you to buy them. They would instead ask you to make voluntary donations. Even if you don’t have money, you can go ahead and pick. They are more interested in making sure you gain the knowledge of God’s word.

3. MEMBERS AND SOCIAL MEDIA

Do you know a Jehovah’s Witness who doesn’t ‘preach’ on social media? When Jesus was leaving the earth, he asked his disciples to go all over the world and preach the gospel.

Thankfully, we are in the jet age where you can share information that can reach people all over the world. Unfortunately, today’s Christians rarely make use of this opportunity to preach the gospel.

There are lots of Christians who have huge followers on different social media platforms but unless they are pastors, you would rarely see them post anything related to the gospel on their accounts. Instead of sermons you will see them posting their beautiful pictures.

Jehovah’s Witnesses’ members post different topics on Facebook, WhatsApp, Twitter, Pinterest, and so on. Whatever they learn in their Kingdom Halls or conventions, they make sure they share them online.

Other Christians prefer to share nonsensical topics and topics that won’t touch your life positively in anyway. They are supposed to share the sermons they learn from their different churches every Sunday but they would rather share posts concerning Big Brother Nigeria or other nonsense.

4. EVANGELISM

This is one of the things they are known for. Apart from the social media, radio and other modes of evangelism, the Jehovah’s Witnesses preach the gospel by walking from house to house.

Despite the fact that a lot of people reject them, they still keep on. Everything in their minds is looking for one or two people whose lives they can touch positively. You see them walking in the sun, with their umbrellas and bags, with no shame. They prefer to follow God’s instructions and they do this at least twice in a week, walking long distances.

5. TESTIMONIES

Their testimonies are different from those of other Christians. While other Christians give testimonies about what God has done in their lives, most of the testimonies usually involve material things of the world. This is good but there is always something missing.

Other Christians testify about the new cars they just purchased, the new child they just had, the new house they just built and so on. The testimonies of Jehovah’s Witnesses involve turning over a new leaf, giving their lives to Jesus and becoming a model example.

They have different stories on testimonies like these. When you read about people changing and turning over a new leaf, you will be encouraged and you will want to have the same experience. In one of their publications, I read about a Japanese Kamikaze soldier who fought in World War Two and then became a Jehovah’s Witness and began to preach the gospel. I was wowed.

6. THEY ARE ORDERLY AND CALM

Have you ever walked into a Kingdom Hall? As you approach the place, you would believe they are not holding any program because you won’t hear anything. It is only when you enter into the Hall that you will realize that there is a program going on after all.

Other churches love the use of loud speakers. You could be far away and you would hear the different speakers from different churches booming and screaming. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Kingdom Halls do not pollute the air with noises.

During their programs, they never compete for Bible reading. We all know this. In Pentecostal churches, when the pastor calls a Bible verse, you see fifty people trying to read the same verse at the same time. You would think the fastest reader would be paid for it.

The ‘winner’ is usually the fastest reader. This usually causes fracas among the readers after church services and you may sometimes see two ‘readers’ keeping malice against each other.

The reverse is the case in Kingdom Halls. When a Bible verse is called or when a question is asked, people would raise their hands in order to respond. Everything is calm and quiet. You feel peace in your heart. You forget your problems.

7. SHOW OF LOVE

Many churches in Nigeria love to welcome newcomers. Some churches serve them foods and drinks and collect their phone numbers. The choir members sing a song of welcome and then some top leaders of different groups walk over to the newcomers to shake their hands and welcome. That’s all.

At the end of the program, everyone leaves and forget the newcomer. This occurs in most churches. When a newcomer’s phone number is gotten, all the church want to do is to make sure the newcomer becomes a member and comes always.

In Kingdom Halls, this is different. After the service, almost everyone walks over to you to shake your hand and welcome you with beautiful smiles. Then they politely ask if you would want free Bible study.

There are so many other ways by which the Jehovah’s Witnesses are better Christians than the rest of us and we need to emulate these qualities. There is a very big difference if we are being sincere with ourselves.

Showing love to one another is the key to peaceful nation. Despite the number of churches in Nigeria, in different states and in different streets, corruption is still rampant. Ethnic bigotry and tribalism is till rampant. Something is wrong somewhere and it is all in our hands to change things.

Emulating the qualities of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is the key.

SOURCE: https://opinionsandstories.com/how-the-jehovahs-witnesses-are-better-christians-than-the-rest-of-us/

Proudly JW

Psoul:
Well, my dear, I truly knw that your question was not really to build ur spiritual faith. You were asking just to twist the Bible a little.
Now let me clear you here.
God never created Adam and Eve to turn around to punish them. It is just like saying that God created Judas to betray Jesus and still God turned around to punish him.

The fact is that There is Satan in this world. So long as there is the existence of Satan here, bad things are bound to happen. Now, do God destine any man in particular to accomplish the bad thing? No...He will never do that. God created everyone with living conscience. He gives every man total freedom to chose between bn good or bn bad.

So God created Adam and Eve to enjoy and live happily in the Garden, they made their choice and god God offended. Just like in the case of Judas. The duty of betraying Christ was not handed over to Judas. It was available for anyone that will allow himself to be used by Satan. God knows that if He sends His son, Satan will like to kill him so that the mission will not yield fruit not knowing that killing Him will make it yield fruit faster. So Judas availed himself for that job. It could have bn anyone else.

Let me give u a practical example. Let's assume u are a student. You have a good looking smartphone. U know that if you leave ur phone unattended to in an open class, it will be stolen by someone. You want to know some of those students stealing ppl's stuff. Probably, u want to shame them to deter others.
Now, u drop ur phone in that empty class. God to somewhere and hide. U will be watching ppl coming and leaving the class. Some will come, see the phone and go their way. Someone who will allow himself to be used by Satan will take the phone, switch it off and convert it to his. If u catch this person and punish him/her, will I be right to say that you destined that person to steal ur phone?
You did not, but among many, he/she allowed him/herself to be used by Satan.

thanks for your contribution but you've not tackled my question...or should I say what you're saying in essence is that God does not know everything

Edybleketara:
their biggest problem is hypocrisy. outwardly jws behave like saints, but in secret, they do the opposite of what they preach.
they also have a knack for berating other religions. they believe they are the only ones who will be saved, and refer to other religions as Babylon the great- the world empire of false religion.

isn't that what all religions and sects do? at least think before rushing to claim FTC

witnesses are far better than these charlatans calling themselves xtians yet they cant help a member of their congregation

Edybleketara:
Well at least you're not denying it. There's hope for you guys after all.

Perhaps you can share the same hope with Jesus who (amidst various religious groups of the first century) said "I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

If Jesus say this and even said his followers will become one with him and his father! John 17:20-23

And you now see only one religious group having all the attributes the OP mentioned, yet you're expecting them to view others (who do not share their faith) as worshipers of their God. Matthew 12:46-49
Are you been truthful to yourself or deceiving yourself?

Holysholay:
My neighbor who is a JW never came to my baby naming ceremony nd dey never came to say hi to d newly born baby... and u want me to believe dat religion is ok?

They claimed dey are JW nd dont attend Naming ceremory. I asked them if its burial ceremony dey like to attend.

OP, I hate this particular neighbor for this.

you are just getting emotional over nothing. Is it a must he should pay you a visit?

Blackvic1:
wait did you just say that the Roman Catholics were persecuted by whom exactly please? Please get your facts correctly, the Romans persecuted Christians till they adapted to the religion and named it Roman Catholic and they ruled the world for almost 2000 years

You are right, but after losing that influence

Persecutions against the Catholic Church took place throughout the pontificate of Pope Pius XII (1939-1958). Pius' reign coincided with the Second World War, the commencement of the Cold War and the accelerating European decolonisation. During this time, the Catholic Church faced persecution under Fascist and Communist governments.

The Nazi persecution of the church was at its most extreme in Occupied Poland. The defeat of Fascism at the end of World War Two ended one set of persecutions, but strengthened the position of Communism throughout the world, intensifying a further set of persecutions - notably in Eastern Europe, the USSR, and, later, the People's Republic of China. The Catholic Church was under attack in all Communist governed countries and lost most of its existence in Albania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Communist China and the Soviet Union (including Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutions_of_the_Catholic_Church_and_Pius_XII

https://www.challies.com/articles/the-false-teachers-charles-taze-russell/
In 1881 Charles Taze Russell co-founded the Zion's Watchtower Tract Society with William Henry Conley as a non-profit, non-stock corporation with Russell listed as President in Allegheny (now part of Pittsburgh), Pennsylvania, USA. Their purpose was for the printing and distribution of religious tracts. The magazine spoke of the end of the current world system. He denied many key Christian doctrines including eternal punishment, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the existence of the Holy Spirit. After his death, Rutherford’s followers maintained control of the Watch Tower Society and officially renamed themselves Jehovah’s witnesses in July 1931 as a religious movement. The Watch Tower Society remains the official religious body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Today there are some 8 million Jehovah’s Witnesses in the world.

Witnesses of Jehovah: A Shocking Expose of What Jehovah's Witnesses Really Believe by Leonard and Marjorie Chretien
https://archive.org/details/WitnessesOfJehovah
Leonard and Marjorie Chretien were Jehovah's Witnesses for 22 years of their adult lives, until formally resigning from the organization known as The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Socitey in August 1982

Witnesses Of Jehovah (1986)
https://archive.org/details/WitnessesOfJehovah1986
Witnesses of Jehovah (1986) is a documentary recounting the history of the Watchtower Society and explaining the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. Includes testimonies by former Witnesses.

The Watchtower & the Masons: A Preliminary Investigation by Fritz Springmeier
https://b-ok.cc/book/1089035/062282
https://archive.org/details/SpringmeierFritzTheWatchtowerTheMasons

Jehovah’s Witnesses: The Religion that Lies to 8 Million People by Sylviane Nuccio
https://medium.com/@SylvianeNuccio/jehovah-s-witnesses-the-religion-that-lies-to-8-million-people-f977dc8a8c9c

Edybleketara:
their biggest problem is hypocrisy. outwardly jws behave like saints, but in secret, they do the opposite of what they preach.
they also have a knack for berating other religions. they believe they are the only ones who will be saved, and refer to other religions as Babylon the great- the world empire of false religion.

This is not correct!

drips8:
The JWs are not allowed to think for themselves or question the rules because outside thoughts are said to be from the devil.
JWs have to disown family or friends whoever leave the faith and cut them off completely.
They have also had a lot of failed prophecies.
JWs members are banned from reading religious texts from other beliefs but will gladly teach people of other faiths about theirs.
The watchtower group claims politics is evil but they are aligned with the UN.

Failed prophesies like? I will like to know sir.
Secondly, how are they aligned with UN

rottennaija:
A publication with the shell life of 10 years, is it trash an jargons?

Are Awake and Watchtower publications trash and jargons? Yes or No

MUSACALLY:
By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” - John 13:35

Love is the identifying mark of true Christians.

The Holy Spirit is the mark and love is just one of the fruits of the holy spirit.


Guru maraji was preaching about love and daddy freeze seeking validation invited Gurumaraji an Hindu shaman to his show.

Even book haram members will tell you they have love for Allah that's why they are bombing people.

Any Tom dick and harry can preach love. Don't let anyone deceive you with talks of love, love, love.


TEST ALL SPIRITS.

tomju:
Have you ever come across personification as a figure of speech? "The river claps its hands", giving human attributes to non living things. Saying He or Him doesn't erode the fact that a spirit is a force!

Not his hands or her hands.

John 14:9 King James Version (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 12:45 King James Version (KJV)
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

sacx:
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Whoever denies that Jesus is God does not know the Father nor the Son.