Please those of u voting today u people should vote for who will help the emigration to canada more easy ..am applying next year ����

Bawss1:
Hahaha


I will return later in the day to address the posts directed at my comments. The responses were just as I had suspected... Hopefully, all of this should make for some interesting discussions going forward.

Anyways

Have a great day, people!

I'm curious to see your response. All I ask is to back up your claims with facts, not feelings or emotions. I want to see how a Nigerian who came to Canada under the EE now wants the country to reduce immigration.

When will election result be announced?

Jbelieve:
When will election result be announced?

Within 24. 48 hours if close. Looks like it'll be close though.

maternal:


I had this discussion with a Yoruba guy who's been in Canada going on 10 years. He came through the EE, he's now a citizen and will be voting in his 2nd election. He
lives a good life and started a family. He refuses to vote liberals because according to him they're opening the border, letting a lot of immigrants in without vetting them. I honestly wanted to slap him. Canada is actually one of the hardest countries to get into. I feel this man likes the advantage he has over his family and friends in Nigeria. Very wicked man.

10 years ago will be FSW (occupations in demand) when Jason Kenney was minister of citizenship and immigration. In those days applications and landing takes 5 to 10 years from start to finish.

Bawss1:
Hahaha


I will return later in the day to address the posts directed at my comments. The responses were just as I had suspected... Hopefully, all of this should make for some interesting discussions going forward.

Anyways

Have a great day, people!

It would indeed be an interesting discussion. I likely know where you are coming from. No harm in everyone sharing their opinion in the discussion. We are all adults.

Alot of Nigerians, especially in Alberta share your sentiment. In addition, some Nigerians are also voting for Cons based on moral/religious issues as was seen in the US elections.

salford1:

10 years ago will be FSW (occupations in demand) when Jason Kenney was minister of citizenship and immigration. In those days applications and landing takes 5 to 10 years from start to finish.

Lol no wonder

Bad belle pipu

Lmao

At least he still moved

DexterousOne:


Lol no wonder

Bad belle pipu

Lmao

At least he still moved

Who knows? I won't call them bad belle sha. I am sure they have their reasons and not just for some petty stuffs. It's more complex than that. e.g. Infrastructure and social amenities/services have not been able to keep up with the increase in population (this one I know Sha). There are also lots of misinformation out there fueling anti-migrant sentiments. Better to let Bawss explain his reasons before anyone slams him.

In my opinion, If like 7 or 8 years ago, when jobs were scarce and hard to come by (i.e. days of NotCanada), I could understand the sentiment of not wanting lots of immigrants, but Trudeau worked hard in terms of job creation especially for non regulated professions..New immigrants are atleast getting jobs in non regulated fields, apart from maybe Alberta and Sask that have been hit by low price for oil and potash.

However, Nigerians are a different breed of people
They vote based on funny reasons.
Do you know some Nigerians vote right wing parties because of gay/lesbian stuffs, while their bros are using the same gay/lesbian format to apply for refugee in Quebec and anywhere else in the world.

Trudeau bashing continues at work today. I just stay quiet so no one labels me a traitor

maternal:


I had this discussion with a Yoruba guy who's been in Canada going on 10 years. He came through the EE, he's now a citizen and will be voting in his 2nd election. He
lives a good life and started a family. He refuses to vote liberals because according to him they're opening the border, letting a lot of immigrants in without vetting them. I honestly wanted to slap him. Canada is actually one of the hardest countries to get into. I feel this man likes the advantage he has over his family and friends in Nigeria. Very wicked man.

@bolded Just say a Canadian-Nigerian so you don't stir a tribal storm

safex:


@bolded Just say a Canadian-Nigerian so you don't stir a tribal storm

You are the only one noticing this

salford:

Who knows? I won't call them bad belle sha. I am sure they have their reasons and not just for some petty stuffs. It's more complex than that.

In my opinion, If like 7 or 8 years ago, when jobs were scarce and hard to come by (i.e. days of NotCanada), I could understand the sentiment of not wanting lots of immigrants, but Trudeau worked hard in terms of job creation especially for non regulated professions..New immigrants are atleast getting jobs in non regulated fields, apart from maybe Alberta and Sask that have been hit by low price for oil and potash.

However, Nigerians are a different breed of people
They vote based on funny reasons.
Do you know some Nigerians vote right wing parties because of gay/lesbian stuffs, while their bros are using the same gay/lesbian format to apply for refugee in Quebec and anywhere else in the world.

Trudeau bashing continues as work today. I just stay quiet so no one labels me a traitor

Different breed of people indeed

safex:


@bolded Just say a Canadian-Nigerian so you don't stir a tribal storm

Kiss my a$$. You pay my internet bill ?

Calm down!

maternal:


Kiss my a$$. You pay my internet bill ?

Hi guys, so i was thinking, i don't know if anyone has tried this before. I need your inputs and your opinion on this. I saw the highlighted while doing my research on how to bring a spouse to Canada as a permanent resident. Is it not possible to apply for PR for your spouse and while the application is in the pipeline apply for a work permit for her since work permit get approved within few months compared to PR for spouse that takes almost or over a year

smh!!!

D

I like your response to him. Some people will just be acting like they are in control of one's life. They plenty for here.
If tribal storm start nko, what's your own... Nobody even picked it until u did.
Some of them never ever travelled out, No Ppr, dem dey Niger dey control people wey dey Canada.

maternal:


Kiss my a$$. You pay my internet bill ?

maternal:


Meche onu gi. Onye ara. Since when is it a crime or tribalistic to address someone by their tribe ? Idiot. Don't address me anyhow again.

You know some people are tribal sensitive
Most of us did not even think that direction
But this is Nigeria

DexterousOne:


You know some people are tribal sensitive
Most of us did not even think that direction
But this is Nigeria

My point ooo
Some people just have a misplaced priority, cant you read and digest the main information and go. As I am a yoruba person sef I didnt reason it that way at all.

Apparently they are the ones the writer is talking about. STIR STORM ko STIRRup ni.

Note: If anybody disagrees with my write-up below, I expect that you do so maturely and professionally. No name callings or abuses of any form please.

This election is way more than just immigration, so let us not narrow it down to only immigration issues. Even if we were to narrow it down to immigration issues I am seeing a lot of half facts and half lies many people on this platform are talking about regarding the conservative plans for immigration.

Yes, conservative plans to reduce immigration level (fact), but what people are not saying (maybe they don’t know) is that for the most part they (conservative) are only trying to reduce the percentage of refugee category (people that mostly do not add to the economy but rather take away from it) which the liberal has increased drastically since taking over power while they the liberal have been reducing the percentage of economic/skilled worker immigrant (i.e. EE) which are the actual people that contribute to the economy. Now tell me, for those of you castigating people that are in support of reduction in immigration level via reduction in percentage of refugee immigration, how many Nigerians are migrating to Canada as a refugee compared to the number that come through economic/skilled worker immigrant (EE)? I may be wrong, but my guess is that 95% come through EE and about 5% through refugee (my figure may be wrong, but I am very sure it is close). And by the way, we all know that almost all refugee claimants from Nigeria are not true refugee but rich people claiming to be refugee.

In my view, considering that Nigerians migrate to Canada mainly as economic/skilled worker immigrant, we stand to get more Nigerians into Canada under the conservative plan (because the focus is on more economic/skilled worker immigrant) as against the liberal plan which is in favour of more refugees.

salford:

Who knows? I won't call them bad belle sha. I am sure they have their reasons and not just for some petty stuffs. It's more complex than that. e.g. Infrastructure and social amenities/services have not been able to keep up with the increase in population (this one I know Sha). There are also lots of misinformation out there fueling anti-migrant sentiments. Better to let Bawss explain his reasons before anyone slams him.

In my opinion, If like 7 or 8 years ago, when jobs were scarce and hard to come by (i.e. days of NotCanada), I could understand the sentiment of not wanting lots of immigrants, but Trudeau worked hard in terms of job creation especially for non regulated professions..New immigrants are atleast getting jobs in non regulated fields, apart from maybe Alberta and Sask that have been hit by low price for oil and potash.

However, Nigerians are a different breed of people
They vote based on funny reasons.
Do you know some Nigerians vote right wing parties because of gay/lesbian stuffs, while their bros are using the same gay/lesbian format to apply for refugee in Quebec and anywhere else in the world.

Trudeau bashing continues at work today. I just stay quiet so no one labels me a traitor

@Salford1

I like the way you differentiated yourself from some other people in your message above about not calling people bad belle people simply because their view is different from yours. This is our Canadian value, we disagree, we voice it out and we are still friends even if we differ politically.

Now, there are many points you raised that I totally disagree with (the items in bold). I don’t know how long you have been a permanent resident in Canada, but I have been a permanent resident in Canada going through liberal government (Jean Chretien and later Paul Martin), then conservative government (Stephen Harper) and now another liberal government (that I hope will end today) while living in 2 different provinces (Ontario and Alberta). In all those periods, the liberal government were always bad period for professional jobs (notice I did not just say jobs. I said professional jobs). Yes, liberal tend to create a lot of minimum wage jobs while professional job suffers. This is what has just happened since 2015 till now as well. While under conservative, a lot of both professional jobs and minimum wage jobs are always created. So, all this mention of job creation liberal is talking about are mainly minimum wage jobs with very little professional jobs being created. Now tell me, how many Nigerians coming here via EE want to end up working in minimum wage jobs rather that in their professional jobs. I am sure many new immigrants here can confirm if it has been easy for them to get professional jobs they dream of getting when they started their EE journey and what the impact of liberal job creation is in their lives.

salford1:

10 years ago will be FSW (occupations in demand) when Jason Kenney was minister of citizenship and immigration. In those days applications and landing takes 5 to 10 years from start to finish.

I honestly think that you are being mischievous with your statement that application takes 5 to 10 years when Kenny was the minister of citizenship and immigration. You chose not to add that the backlog was a result of the liberal government of Jean Chretien and later Paul Martin. They created the backlog and could not fix it. Kenny came in and tried to fix it first by introducing the FSW (occupations in demand) which reduced it a little bit and he later introduced the current EE. The backlog has been completely eliminated and fixed with Kenny’s EE before the current liberal government came and continue with the good work of Kenny. You even mentioned it yourself in your post below that Kenny (conservative introduced EE.

salford1:

EE was the brainchild of Jason Kenney and Chris Alexander under Harper.

Finally, for me, I vote for low tax (more money in my pocket), I vote for my Canada living within her means and not living on debt that my great grand children will not be able to pay (as the liberals are currently doing and will continue to do), I vote for balancing the budget, make the economy business friendly so that we can create more professional jobs (not just minimum wage jobs). I vote against the fear mongering of the liberal government rubbishing the conservative platform. I vote against the party that makes it look like it is bad to be successful and they penalize you for being successful. Hence, I voted for change already during the advance polling so that I can help get people out to vote for change today.

I am 100% sure this 'Maternal' guy isn't Yoruba and that he highlighted the supposed tribe for malicious reasons!
Whoever you are, you can say whatever you like in defence of your poorly construed post, but it will not eliminate your underlying bigotry.
God has helped you to reach a country like Canada, but you still haven't shed the vestige of tribalism ingrained in your mentality. Break your chains!

[quote author=maternal post=83327912]

I had this discussion with a Yoruba guy who's been in Canada going on 10 years. /quote]

ChiefDaddy1:


You are the only one noticing this

Turns out he was not the only one and he was right, but your bigotry wouldn't let you see beyond your nose. I'm sure a significant number of people noticed it but just decided it wasn't worth their time.

!

MarquisDeSade:


Turns out he was not the only one and he was right, but your bigotry wouldn't let you see beyond your nose. I'm sure a significant number of people noticed it but just decided it wasn't worth their time.

Im sorry are you talking to me in particular?

Cape Breton Island, Novo Scotia
Great place for camping

And u can't do same and pass....

MarquisDeSade:


Turns out he was not the only one and he was right, but your bigotry wouldn't let you see beyond your nose. I'm sure a significant number of people noticed it but just decided it wasn't worth their time.

Hadampson:
Cape Breton Island, Novo Scotia
Great place for camping

The picture looks like jollof rice at first

SixSigma1:
Note: If anybody disagrees with my write-up below, I expect that you do so maturely and professionally. No name callings or abuses of any form please.

This election is way more than just immigration, so let us not narrow it down to only immigration issues. Even if we were to narrow it down to immigration issues I am seeing a lot of half facts and half lies many people on this platform are talking about regarding the conservative plans for immigration.

Yes, conservative plans to reduce immigration level (fact), but what people are not saying (maybe they don’t know) is that for the most part they (conservative) are only trying to reduce the percentage of refugee category (people that mostly do not add to the economy but rather take away from it) which the liberal has increased drastically since taking over power while they the liberal have been reducing the percentage of economic/skilled worker immigrant (i.e. EE) which are the actual people that contribute to the economy. Now tell me, for those of you castigating people that are in support of reduction in immigration level via reduction in percentage of refugee immigration, how many Nigerians are migrating to Canada as a refugee compared to the number that come through economic/skilled worker immigrant (EE)? I may be wrong, but my guess is that 95% come through EE and about 5% through refugee (my figure may be wrong, but I am very sure it is close). And by the way, we all know that almost all refugee claimants from Nigeria are not true refugee but rich people claiming to be refugee.

In my view, considering that Nigerians migrate to Canada mainly as economic/skilled worker immigrant, we stand to get more Nigerians into Canada under the conservative plan (because the focus is on more economic/skilled worker immigrant) as against the liberal plan which is in favour of more refugees.



@Salford1

I like the way you differentiated yourself from some other people in your message above about not calling people bad belle people simply because their view is different from yours. This is our Canadian value, we disagree, we voice it out and we are still friends even if we differ politically.

Now, there are many points you raised that I totally disagree with (the items in bold). I don’t know how long you have been a permanent resident in Canada, but I have been a permanent resident in Canada going through liberal government (Jean Chretien and later Paul Martin), then conservative government (Stephen Harper) and now another liberal government (that I hope will end today) while living in 2 different provinces (Ontario and Alberta). In all those periods, the liberal government were always bad period for professional jobs (notice I did not just say jobs. I said professional jobs). Yes, liberal tend to create a lot of minimum wage jobs while professional job suffers. This is what has just happened since 2015 till now as well. While under conservative, a lot of both professional jobs and minimum wage jobs are always created. So, all this mention of job creation liberal is talking about are mainly minimum wage jobs with very little professional jobs being created. Now tell me, how many Nigerians coming here via EE want to end up working in minimum wage jobs rather that in their professional jobs. I am sure many new immigrants here can confirm if it has been easy for them to get professional jobs they dream of getting when they started their EE journey and what the impact of liberal job creation is in their lives.



I honestly think that you are being mischievous with your statement that application takes 5 to 10 years when Kenny was the minister of citizenship and immigration. You chose not to add that the backlog was a result of the liberal government of Jean Chretien and later Paul Martin. They created the backlog and could not fix it. Kenny came in and tried to fix it first by introducing the FSW (occupations in demand) which reduced it a little bit and he later introduced the current EE. The backlog has been completely eliminated and fixed with Kenny’s EE before the current liberal government came and continue with the good work of Kenny. You even mentioned it yourself in your post below that Kenny (conservative introduced EE.



Finally, for me, I vote for low tax (more money in my pocket), I vote for my Canada living within her means and not living on debt that my great grand children will not be able to pay (as the liberals are currently doing and will continue to do), I vote for balancing the budget, make the economy business friendly so that we can create more professional jobs (not just minimum wage jobs). I vote against the fear mongering of the liberal government rubbishing the conservative platform. I vote against the party that makes it look like it is bad to be successful and they penalize you for being successful. Hence, I voted for change already during the advance polling so that I can help get people out to vote for change today.

Your post are always very good and a delight to read. Even though you come here just once in a while.

My reply below might not be coherent as I am still at work.

I landed when Harper was the PM and can't really say much about the previous government before Harper. You are right about Kenney Introducing the occupation in demand. I came to Canada when the conservatives only accepted 1,000 people per occupation for a max of 20,000 per year for the 20 occupations on the list. Lots of Nigerians do not and will not qualify back then. Who knows what level the immigration numbers would be reduced to when the conservatives get in? I remember that all applications submitted prior to 2007 were cancelled and application fees refunded. CIC started on a fresh page and the Cons limited intake. This helped in getting rid of the backlog maybe? Immigration is actually one of the least of the factors I considered in making a decision. I just could not see how Sheer would better the economy much more than what Trudeau has done.

I also had a different experience when I landed in Canada. could be because I worked in a regulated profession, but friends that did not work in a regulated profession and landed the same time I did still had a tough time getting good jobs. Alot did survival jobs, even those in IT who now seems to be enjoying a surplus job market at the moment. Then I would discourage people about coming to Canada. Nowadays, people are getting jobs even from Nigeria, good jobs and not unprofessional jobs. This is why mentioned that it seems Trudeau was doing better in terms of job creation.

Even though there might be an increase in tax should the Liberal get in. I doubt if that will be much to the extent of affecting people that are already well off. My family's income is at a point where we get nothing from the government due to being placed on a higher tax band. We are still going to get screwed by any government in power anyway. lol. I do not bother much about that because we should really be taking care of our down trodden or those struggling to make ends meet This from from taxes paid by the well offs. This helps keep crime rate down.

I do agree with you about the deficit. However, I still don't see how the Conservatives would be able to help in reducing deficits without bringing in more tax. All we have heard has been cuts, cuts and more cuts. Cuts would likely create more problem for money to be spent on. I believe Harper had a deficit when he was in power too but I am not totally sure.


It was a bit tough for me to decide on what party to vote. I mentioned in one of my previous post that I can't really see what Sheer is bringing to the table that would swing some of us in the middle to vote Con. Truedeau had scandals here and there which dipped his ratings to me. Both parties were a tie on who to vote, but I eventually went the Liberal as they have a better plan when it comes to diversity and inclusion. If Ambrose was still the Con's leader, I would have easily voted Con without giving it a 2nd thought.

The provincial Cons here in Saskatchewan aka SaskParty are actually doing well and were able to balance the budget via the introduction of new taxes or increase existing tax, and not cut cut cut like Kenney is proposing in Alberta, I still don't see how a government can cut it's way into a balanced budget.

I read the article below this morning before going to vote. It also helped me in making a decision as per the performance of the economy (Truedeau vs Harper).

https://business.financialpost.com/executive/posthaste-which-party-will-be-better-for-canadas-economy-theres-one-that-may-have-a-marginally-better-plan/amp

I do not think my vote will make much difference here in my riding anyway. Sask is majorly conservative. A Con would be representing my riding in parliament.

@SixSigma,

Thanks for your write up but I disagree. To counter some things you said.

Yes, conservative plans to reduce immigration level (fact), but what people are not saying (maybe they don’t know) is that for the most part they (conservative) are only trying to reduce the percentage of refugee category (people that mostly do not add to the economy but rather take away from it) which the liberal has increased drastically since taking over power while they the liberal have been reducing the percentage of economic/skilled worker immigrant (i.e. EE) which are the actual people that contribute to the economy.

Refugees add as much, if not more than anybody to the economy. This stigma/lie that has been going around for years, as been proven wrong many times. The Vietnam refugees in the 60's I believe, both U.S soldiers fleeing from the draft or actual Vietnam citizens have done well in Canada. The current Syrian refugees that came what 4 years ago are doing as good if not better than EE. Creating jobs and adding to the economy. These are facts, data kept by the federal government, which you can research and validate for yourself. Ironically refugees are so bad, that many municipalities were begging the federal government to settle them in their region. Why would they want individuals who wouldn't contribute to their economy come there ? Because refugees do contribute to the overall economy. A good amount of refugees are degree educated if you don't know. The Syrian refugees weren't illiterates from the streets. Lastly, any individual who touches Canadian soil and claims refugee, the federal government MUST hear their claims. This is according to the agreement sign by the Canadian government with the UN. How can any government reduce the refugee category ? Our government must hear a refugee claimant and be in partial. To reduce that category, you're basically saying you're going to reject claims ahead of time ?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugees-halifax-entrepreneurs-economy-1.3317089

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/refugees-pay-more-income-tax-than-millionaire-investor-immigrants-1.2984982


how many Nigerians are migrating to Canada as a refugee compared to the number that come through economic/skilled worker immigrant (EE)? I may be wrong, but my guess is that 95% come through EE and about 5% through refugee (my figure may be wrong, but I am very sure it is close). And by the way, we all know that almost all refugee claimants from Nigeria are not true refugee but rich people claiming to be refugee.

Are you God ? How do you know this without listening to their cases ? You already have a mis-conception about Nigerian refugee claimant. I can't believe an immigrant, a black African is this anti- immigration. Do you know how many oyibo people I've met who are against the EE and don't feel immigrants coming in with that program should be here; especially Nigerians ? In short do you know how many oyibo's hate you and the fact you're here ? And you're spreading the same hateful sentiment towards your fellow people trying to come here ? Lastly you are confusing refugees to irregular refugees. Go research the difference.


we stand to get more Nigerians into Canada under the conservative plan (because the focus is on more economic/skilled worker immigrant) as against the liberal plan which is in favour of more refugees.

Not true and the liberals have said and proved otherwise. You don't become a G7 nation with a high quality of life by only trying to recruit refugees. 99% of new Nigerians I've met are educated people who came under the EE. The other 1 percent are refugees, and even them are very educated and ready to work. Skilled workers cost the country nothing. Why wouldn't they favor them ?


Yes, liberal tend to create a lot of minimum wage jobs while professional job suffers. This is what has just happened since 2015 till now as well. While under conservative, a lot of both professional jobs and minimum wage jobs are always created. So, all this mention of job creation liberal is talking about are mainly minimum wage jobs with very little professional jobs being created

Another lie. There are many factors that go into job creation. Such as the value of the Canadian dollar, available talent pool, etc. But the first thing a country must have is the talent pool. This pro Liberal government who has focused on Skilled workers has made other companies take noticed. As a result companies are moving in to take advantage of the available talent. Add that to the fact if you invest in USD and operate in Canadian dollars you save money on operation costs. And with Trump closing off the borders, the smart liberal government has taken advantage. I mean if the liberal government was so bad for business, why would Uber invest 200 million dollars in Canada and set up shop in Toronto ? Why is Toronto the fastest growing city in North America, along with the fastest growing tech hub as well in North America ?

Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi, an Iranian refugee, has been vocal about President Trump's immigration stance.

"The American Dream is the single most incredible brand in the world. Everyone knows what the American Dream means," he said at a business summit in New Delhi earlier this year. "I'm worried that with the attitudes that the administration has about immigration etc., that wonderful brand is getting ruined."

Meanwhile, the Canadian government has been expediting work permits and temporary resident visas as part of a two-year pilot to help innovative companies land highly skilled workers.

Ya the Liberals don't create or attract professional jobs with their backwards immigration policies. lol

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/13/technology/uber-canada-office/index.html

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