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LegendHero:
First of all you don't need to have an American friend to access the link I sent to you. The Library of Congress made it an open source so you can actually view it on your own. I live in Atlanta tho but I know people that have access to the LOC from Nigeria.

Second, I will give you multiple link and screenshot now to validate my claim. If after this you are still adamant of saying I am dubious or wrong then I have to leave you to your fate. Although other Nairalanders can learn one or two things from our conversation.

Library of Congress Homepage: https://www.loc.gov/
Book title: A few facts relating to Lagos, Abbeokuta, and other sections of Central Africa. (You can search for this on your own tho)
Book Direct Link: https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t8042/?st=gallery

Screenshot attached below for some of the book pages in its original form.

mercyville:
Tell me any tribe in the world that has their race name tied to their names if they are not slaves like you OSUS.

You have Igbokwe which means Slavekwe,Igboukwu meaning Slaveukwu etc so that you do not forget that you are slaves.Have even ever wondered why Ijaw minority people took you as slaves?


Yoruba have a robust history. We were empire builders while you were walking all over the forest with totoris...
Learn....

Repeatedly through the ages and from credible sources in oral and written history it is established that the foundation for the Kaaba was laid by Abraham. It was an altar for sacrificing to the divine. This was before Judaism, which came when Children of Israel were given faith through Moses, who was of the lineage of diviners. Moses' brother, Aaron, was the Chief Priest of the people and from him the articles of faith and the creed of altar worship and blood offering evolved to become a faith.

So Aaron was a Master Diviner, Abraham was a Master Diviner, Noah was a Master Diviner. In fact Noah was perharps the first instructed on animal and blood sacrifice on the altar.

These were all Semitic people, or so we believe. Master Diviner in their tongue is called Rabbi.

Master Diviner in Yoruba is called Araba.

Yoruba would have been in its original something close to Araba, such as Ya'Raba, the followers of Araba or the People of Divination.


Araba, Rabbi, Arab, Yoruba, are all the same lineage in form and meaning.

here back to the Yoruba oral roots.

First, I would like my Muslim and Christian readers to please have an open mind here. This is not a religious discussion, it is strictly an exploration into the culture and meaning of Yoruba and I am not able to fully unveil and demistify the knowledge without touching on subjects very dear and close to your faith and heart. This is not a disrespect or lack of belief, I believe in Oneness of God as taught and practiced in Yoruba philosophy and I also believe in the divinity of his Highness. So bear with me brothers and sisters.


The tradition that Yoruba came out of Midian is true, and it is a fact that the Kaaba in Mecca is a shrine that housed an altar which at one time before Judaism, Christianity and Islam, belonged to Yoruba diviners who housed their objects of deity worship in it and offered their sacrifices in it.

I asked if any Yoruba know where the Yoruba name Salome came from. No one has yet answered this question. How about Gebu, anyone know where it came from? Dawuda, Apata, Gebu, Salome...all authentic Yoruba names used culturally long before we knew Islam or Christianity...and yet are all present in the Bible. How is it possible?


Many people still believe that Arabic or Semitic sounding terms in Yoruba language are non-origin and were results of assimilation from our closeness and sharing border territory with Hausa. I started to expose authentic Yoruba names and terms that are cognate with Semitic tongue and for which no equivalence exist in Hausa language. I would like here now to stretch the expose further and let Yoruba take pridPe in their own origin and authenticity.

At a time when world order revolved around Babylonia and Egypt and Mesopotamia, Yoruba was a Supreme power and colonist in Afro Asia. Yoruba left and relocated after loosing power and influence and refusing to conform to a new world order that emerged behind it...

justnairalande:
I seriously believe there is something wrong with your brain.
When did I say I needed an american friend to access the website ?
When did I say i were in nigeria ?

justnairalande:
Well, if you don't know that wikipedia is a website in which the common man can write what he pleases and modify what he doesn't like, then now you know. Also, I am not going to boast knowmedge of the validity of the website called library of congress. I just assumed it were valid. If after asking my american friends, it turns out it wasn't valid, then I will let you know. Right now I don't have sufficient info on it. I don't know if it is actually attached to the us congress or if it is a valid historical source.

Here is what I do know, what you are saying wasn't on the page you posted. If you are quoting a certain page (other than the one you posted) then post the page and let us see. Do I need to walk you through doing things in a logical manner or are you going to grow up a little.
In other words, you haven't proven nothing. FFK's statement is still valid.

Makuos19:
MUST READ !!!

Have you always thought about where the word Yoruba originate?? Have you heard many misconception and misapprehension that left you baffled?? That was what got hold of me too so I decided to dig into it.
What is the meaning of Yoruba? Does it have any inclination to our language? This is a thought provoking topic that needs profound reasoning and intense research for better understanding.

It is time we faced the monster that keeps trailing us whom many try to ignore. In Yoruba culture, appellation is often derived from a prerequisite factor or foretelling. For fact telling, some name their child Owolabi hoping the child will bring fortune to the family, another one is that almost all Yoruba towns have their names derived from an event or a factor as illustrated in; Eba-Odan – Ibadan, Abe Okuta Olumo – Abeokuta and Ibi ti Ile ti yo – Oyo and so forth. However, these factors appear not partake in the word Yoruba.

I asked a lot of people to define Yoruba, nobody had a clue so I decided to return to history and I delved into what Yoruba scholars of the past centuries had written. Slowly I began to unravel the mystery of our name.
The first hint I got was from an ordinary search which spouted Yoruba. What does that mean?? I carried on, I moved on to the always ready Yoruba dictionary written by Samuel Ajayi Crowther which defines ‘Yoruba’ as a bastard and deceitful person.

Another came from the one I found on a scholarly written journal of Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu who insisted Yoruba is a name derived from Hausa language which means deceit. He claimed he found the definition at York Museum in England dating to the 19th century.
Before I go further here, I would like to stress how the name came aboard. It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa.

Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter. Another one I stumbled on was narrated by another scholar who said the name Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

The Igbos had cleansed themselves off ‘Yinmiri’, a name the Hausa-Fulani had technically given to them. The igbos have today refuted Yinmiri to be a derogatory word, however, the reverse is the case for the Yoruba. From findings I have made, Yaribansa is a Fulani word meaning Bastard. An extremely derogatory word in Yoruba discourse.

I read one of Professor Ade Ajayi’s book “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” where he insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.

Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers. The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation.

Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.

Furthermore, I have read the Odu Ifa and I have familiarised myself with many Ogede Ofo, Iwure and Ewi of the past generations and I have never heard where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.

I am penning this for us to know the origin of the word Yoruba, it is a bitter pill to swallow especially now that the name has travelled far and wide, should we try to augment our appellation Yoruba? certainly too late to make any sort of modification. We might as well just carry on dealing with it.
Source & Written By: Bola Olalekan
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/

LegendHero:
This is what you said below. You are tryna ask your American friend to validate the book. Isn't this what you said.

You have been abusing me since but I did not reply back just because I don't want to derail the thread.

Pay attention bro!

awgumayor:
Nobody is disputing the origin of yoruba whether they come from Israel or Saudi Arabia as you are mentioning araba, rabbi, arab. The question here is the origin and meaning of yoruba.
FFK is an intelligent person and well learned, he must have done some very good research before coming out to tell the world that he no longer wants to be called a Yoruba man ...because he knows the gravity of it. Why can't you go to one of the national newspapers with all your proof and counter him.

LegendHero:
Third Image: The print from the Library of Congress in early 18th century, that mentioned the word Yoruba and even referred tho the name 50 years later before the coming of the Dan Fodio Jihad.

justnairalande:
What in that comment says "I need american friends to access the website" ?

Let me help you by giving you the quote in full:

"Also, I am not going to boast knowmedge of the validity of the website called library of congress. I just assumed it were valid. If after asking my american friends, it turns out it wasn't valid, then I will let you know. Right now I don't have sufficient info on it. I don't know if it is actually attached to the us congress or if it is a valid historical source."

Also, where did I say I were in nigeria ?
Too much lies makes you see and here things which do not exist.

LegendHero:
1824 is the year which Alimi assasinated Afonja. Even the Dan Fodio caliphate Itself started in 1804.

Like I said in my earlier reply to you, the Yoruba name preceded all those years and it would be absurd for FFK to link it with the Hausa/Fulanis

justnairalande:
Actually, 1860 is within the 19th century.
The nineteenth century is the interval [1800;1899], this is because the first century is [0;99]. So you just add one to the quotien of the division of the year by 100. For example, we are in the 21st century. Not the 20th !
So your document was published past mid 19th century, not early 18th century.
And when was the coming of Dan Fodio ? Besides, it is understood that the words fulani and haussa are used interchangeably by FFK.

mercyville:
lol

It seems you are greatly disturbed,aren't you?

Hope you are not a trader who cannot spell slave(Igbo)?

I told you that article was cooked up possibly by an OSU.There is no Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu..



Now read this.. 1829....you can download too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people


Etymology Edit

As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" (or more correctly, "Ya raba" was originally in reference to the Oyo Empire and is the usual Hausa name for Oyo people (yarabawa) as noted by Hugh Clapperton and Richard Lander.[26] It was therefore popularized by Hausa usage[27] and ethnography written in Ajami during the 19th century by Sultan Muhammad Bello, it states that the hausa's that refuted the Islamic beliefs migrated to Yoruba land who's religion is in conformity with the tsumburbura, they periodically migrated to seek refuge throughout the 15th and 16th century. The extension of the term to all speakers of dialects related to the language of the Oyo (in modern terminology North-West Yoruba) dates to the second half of the 19th century. It is due to the influence of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the first Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Crowther was himself an Oyo Yoruba and compiled the first Yoruba dictionary as well as introducing a standard for Yoruba orthography.[28][29] The alternative name Akú, apparently an exonym derived from the first words of Yoruba greetings (such as Ẹ kú àárọ? "good morning", Ẹ kú alẹ? "good evening" has survived in certain parts of their diaspora as a self-descriptive, especially in Sierra Leone.....



From the history book,you will get to know that the whites that went to the North first and heard about Yoruba from the Hausa who called them what the Yorubas of Oyo...Katunva... usually calked themselves.....Ya raba...were the ones that wrote the name Yoruba according to what they heard...

bluke:
there is a need for you to dig deeper than this.
Historically, yorubas were said to nave migrated from mecca and medina, maybe the old name of medina may lead somewhere.

LegendHero:
Yes you are right, there are manuscripts that alludes to the fact that the Yorubas migrated from Mecca. But you should be mindful of not mixing the source with civilization. Those period of little after AD years may not capture the true historical sequence but when man was able to document evidences from atrtefacts and other stuffs about Africa is usually within those 12th - 19th century.

Oyo Kingdom was the headquarter of the Yoruba civilization which explains why the name Yoruba has to be related to Oyo in this context. Ife was the source of the Yorubas and no one is doubting that but the civilization is Oyo and the kingdom is well documented in history with credible sources.

LegendHero:
Okay what do you mean by validating the website called the Library of Congress? The fact that you don't know the Library of Congress beats my imagination to the extent of claiming you need a friend to validate the LOC first.

If you do basic library rudiments in your undergraduate in Nigeria , maybe 100 level ( I believe this is a prerequisite for every course), you would have heard of Library of congress as part of the standardized call up number for sorting library texts.

I am even tired of trying to explain things to a grown up man.

justnairalande:
Once again mr explainer, you are assuming I studied or live in nigeria.
Second of all, yes I do have doubts about the validity of the website. I have doubts on evrything when they have not been proven to be valid.
Skepticism is the most important part of Cartesian thinking.
And, yes I will ask my american friends if the website is valid or not.
If you can prove to me that the website is valid then fine, if you can't then it is still to be proven.
Appart from that even if it were the website of the congress of the usa, it's validity as a source of historical documents would still notbe proven.
Although there are available experts I can ask these questions.
Francly, all you are doing is deviating from the topic.
now we are discussing the validity of a website rather than the topic.
FFK's claim still stands ! You have proven nothing.

justnairalande:
Actually, 1860 is within the 19th century.
The nineteenth century is the interval [1800;1899], this is because the first century is [0;99]. So you just add one to the quotien of the division of the year by 100. For example, we are in the 21st century. Not the 20th !
So your document was published in 1860 whis is past mid 19th century, not early 18th century.
And when was the coming of Dan Fodio ? Besides, it is understood that the words fulani and haussa are used interchangeably by FFK.

LegendHero:
I thought you read the document and the writer claim that it was documented 50 years earlier and he just published it in 1856. Do you know about publishing? Do you know you can start writing your book in 2019 and publish in 2040? Even after the writer made his claim you still come here and started discussing 18th century with me. Did I ever told you I don't know the 18th century or any other century timeline?

mercyville:
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Go and read this or use acrobat reader....download and assimilate it..It is 1829..

https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

mercyville:
.
Go and read this or use acrobat reader....download and assimilate it..It is 1829..

https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

Makuos19:
Don't attack me. But rather Attack your brother for telling you the TRUTH

Meanwhile,

What is the meaning of the word Yoruba?

Have you always thought about where the word Yoruba originated from? Have you heard many misconception and misapprehension that left you baffled? That was what got hold of me too so I decided to dig into it.

What is the meaning of Yoruba? Does it have any inclination to our language? This is a thought provoking topic that needs profound reasoning and intense research for better understanding.

It is time we faced the monster that keeps trailing us whom many try to ignore. In Yoruba culture, appellation is often derived from a prerequisite factor or foretelling. For fact telling, some name their child Owolabi hoping the child will bring fortune to the family, another one is that almost all Yoruba towns have their names derived from an event or a factor as illustrated in; Eba-Odan – Ibadan, Abe Okuta Olumo – Abeokuta and Ibi ti Ile ti yo – Oyo and so forth. However, these factors appear not partake in the word Yoruba.

I asked a lot of people to define Yoruba, nobody had a clue so I decided to return to history and I delved into what Yoruba scholars of the past centuries had written. Slowly I began to unravel the mystery of our name.
The first hint I got was from an ordinary search which spouted Yoruba. What does that mean?? I carried on, I moved on to the always ready Yoruba dictionary written by Samuel Ajayi Crowther which defines ‘Yoruba’ as a bastard and deceitful person.

Another came from the one I found on a scholarly written journal of Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu who insisted Yoruba is a name derived from Hausa language which means deceit. He claimed he found the definition at York Museum in England dating to the 19th century.
Before I go further here, I would like to stress how the name came aboard. It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa.

Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter. Another one I stumbled on was narrated by another scholar who said the name Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

The Igbos had cleansed themselves off ‘Yinmiri’, a name the Hausa-Fulani had technically given to them. The igbos have today refuted Yinmiri to be a derogatory word, however, the reverse is the case for the Yoruba. From findings I have made, Yaribansa is a Fulani word meaning Bastard. An extremely derogatory word in Yoruba discourse.

I read one of Professor Ade Ajayi’s book “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” where he insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.

Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers. The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation.

Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.

Furthermore, I have read the Odu Ifa and I have familiarised myself with many Ogede Ofo, Iwure and Ewi of the past generations and I have never heard where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.

I am penning this for us to know the origin of the word Yoruba, it is a bitter pill to swallow especially now that the name has travelled far and wide, should we try to augment our appellation Yoruba? certainly too late to make any sort of modification. We might as well just carry on dealing with it.

By Bola
http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

justnairalande:
Once again, an other attempt at fraud.

The publisher didn't claim the book was written 50 years before it was published. Besides, the book was published in 1860, and 50 years before 1860 is 1810 which is still within the 19th century !
Also the book mentions the year 1842 and events taking place in the year 1842. So unless the writer is a time traveler, I don't see how he would have wrote his book in 1810 while talking about events happening in 1842.

Oh I get you want to say the writer took more than 50 years to write his book. Should I start laughing now ?
You see why you guys are known for hypocrisy ? Deception is all you guys always offer.

mercyville:
Read the cooked up article.He mentioned Dr Taiwo Aryanbolu but there is no Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu....probably cooked up by another faceless person..
Okay,who is Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu....Google it.He is non existent...fake news again.You have been scammed.


This is genuine from 1829..

.https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

LegendHero:
LOL. why are you disgracing yourself online bro . why nao

Library of congress is a classification system for classifying library text worldwide. Either you school in Nigeria, USA , Mali, or China, you will be taught about Library of congress in your undergraduate.

Go online now and type library classification systems used in the world and you will see the Library of Congress. When you don't know the basic thing like this how won't you swallow the rubbish FFK is saying.

Trying to discuss with someone like you will actually be a brain drain but I will take the pain to help you get over your ignorance.

awgumayor:
Nobody is disputing the origin of yoruba whether they come from Israel or Saudi Arabia as you are mentioning araba, rabbi, arab. The question here is the origin and meaning of yoruba.
FFK is an intelligent person and well learned, he must have done some very good researches before coming out to tell the world that he no longer wants to be called a Yoruba man ...because he knows the gravity of it. Why can't you go to one of the national newspapers with all your proof and counter him.

awgumayor:
Nobody is disputing the origin of yoruba whether they come from Israel or Saudi Arabia as you are mentioning araba, rabbi, arab. The question here is the origin and meaning of yoruba.
FFK is an intelligent person and well learned, he must have done some very good researches before coming out to tell the world that he no longer wants to be called a Yoruba man ...because he knows the gravity of it. Why can't you go to one of the national newspapers with all your proof and counter him.

justnairalande:
It seems you are too dumb to understand your own tools:

"The Library of Congress is the nation's oldest federal cultural institution, and it serves as the research arm of Congress"

The above is what I got by just typing "library of congress" on google.
How does this contradict what I am saying. The library of congress is indeed the library of the us congress.
It took me 1 minute to get that.

And you the explainer ... ? tell me some more bulls.hit.

LegendHero:
Don't mistake my words. What I meant is that you can write a book in 2019 and it get published in 20150. Also, it is possible to write a book for that long if you are also trying to document your life history to publish later in the future. It can go both ways.

Also most times, publishers get hold of manuscripts that dated several decades backward and publish them but they always make sure they note in the text that it was a documented manuscript from past years but was published during the later years. These are basic things that you should know but I don't know why you keep getting your mind fixated on irrelevances.

What do you mean by not quoting events of 1810 in a book written in 1842? Do you mean there is no book published of recent that do not mention events of past decades? What rubbish are you even saying? Do you mean an author must only talk about the years of his book without referring to historical facts that happened decades or centuries later?

mercyville:
You are the dumbo here.Has he given you any proof?
.We have given you enough proofs to refute whatever your watery brains have lapped up but I have forgotten that the whites met you all walking all over with your totoris when they came visiting in 1921.you cannot assimilate...so sad..

LegendHero:
Your problem is that you think I am arguing with you but NO, I am lecturing you because you are not even a measure when comparing intellect judging by the way you are replying my contributions.

Yes, Library of congress is the USA congress research arm and even a 10 year old boy knows what the congress meant when talking about USA.

I challenge anyone on Nairaland that did GNS/Library prerequisite in 100 level to say they don't do the callup number classification system that mentioned Library of Congress.

Attached is the simple google search of "Library of Congress Classification"

LegendHero:
Your problem is that you think I am arguing with you but NO, I am lecturing you because you are not even a measure when comparing intellect judging by the way you are replying my contributions.

Yes, Library of congress is the USA congress research arm and even a 10 year old boy knows what the congress meant when talking about USA.

I challenge anyone on Nairaland that did GNS/Library prerequisite in 100 level to say they don't do the callup number classification system that mentioned Library of Congress.

Attached is the simple google search of "Library of Congress Classification"

mercyville:
lol
We are on a lecturing trip today.
We are faced with chowder heads not the brilliant ones,I suppose..