₦airaland Forum

LegendHero:
I am not disputing the contributions of the Hausa or other sources to the Yorubas. Neither did I ever said the Hausa did not have history with the Yorubas concerning the trade and etc.

What I however said was that Islam got to Yoruba land through the Malian traders and not the Hausa people. If you have any other source to conclude that Islam got to the Yorubas through Hausas please tell me and give the source.

Check my earlier reply of the Arabic words used by both Yoruba and Hausa which most Hausa always believes originated from them. Those words are Arabic words that have been borrowed by both tribes and can’t be said to the indigenous language of one of these tribe.

You mentioned most Hausa words were used by Yorubas but I just told you those words are actually Arabic. Some sources said the Yorubas originates from Makkah, if those sources were right then we can opine they learn those Arabic words from the source.

mercyville:
Zzombie..

mercyville:
You are the dumbo here.Has he given you any proof?
.We have given you enough proofs to refute whatever your watery brains have lapped up but I have forgotten that the whites met you all walking all over with your totoris when they came visiting in 1921.you cannot assimilate...so sad..

Ibrahimmrfish:
You might be right and i wrong.That is the beauty of history.I like your responds,it is mature.Can you recommend a history book or a link on the Malian and Yoruba Islamic link,i will very much appreciate it.If it true i very much need to know more about it.

awgumayor:
It hasn't come to insult. It was neither igboman nor hausaman that said it. It was FFK the son of the soil that said so. I'm sure that before ffk could come out in public to say this kind of thing he must have visited a lot of yoruba archives, asked some deep questions, done some researches. He knows Yoruba history more than many of you that are calling him names here.

awgumayor:
It hasn't come to insult. It was neither igboman nor hausaman that said it. It was FFK the son of the soil that said so. I'm sure that before ffk could come out in public to say this kind of thing he must have visited a lot of yoruba archives, asked some deep questions, done some researches. He knows Yoruba history more than many of you that are calling him names here.

LegendHero:
What do you mean by FFK knows Yoruba history than any of us on here?

How do you know he knows history more than anyone of us here and which sources did FFK cite in the ridiculous claim he wrote up there?

Because he was a former minister meant he knows history more than us? C'mon you can do more than this.

Also do you know the type of people on Nairaland or you think everyone on Nairaland is a kid or poor man that can't lay hand on historical prints?

LegendHero:
I am not disputing the contributions of the Hausa or other sources to the Yorubas. Neither did I ever said the Hausa did not have history with the Yorubas concerning the trade and etc.

What I however said was that Islam got to Yoruba land through the Malian traders and not the Hausa people. If you have any other source to conclude that Islam got to the Yorubas through Hausas please tell me and give the source.

Check my earlier reply of the Arabic words used by both Yoruba and Hausa which most Hausa always believes originated from them. Those words are Arabic words that have been borrowed by both tribes and can’t be said to the indigenous language of one of these tribe.

You mentioned most Hausa words were used by Yorubas but I just told you those words are actually Arabic. Some sources said the Yorubas originates from Makkah, if those sources were right then we can opine they learn those Arabic words from the source.

LegendHero:
Rubbish, read this thread from page 1 to this place to reveal your ignorance. Yoruba name already existed ling before the Fulani/Hausa made contact and there is credible sources to back that claim.

You are here bringing blog website to back up your claim without any known sources or actual Image of the original sources. Seems you are even more confused than the former guy and it seems FFK have a lot of low level IQ people to convince with his ridiculous claims.

Makuos19:
I no say e dey pain you. But your brother has already said the truth and there is nothing u can do about it
http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

AmuDimpka:
Fani said it ..not me and I have seen many ijebu and Okun that have said they aren't Yoruba and that isn't their name

Oga deal with them....and not

awgumayor:
No, not because he was former minister. Ffk have been vocal, hardly a week passed by for him not to write one thing or the other in the national newspapers.You can take it easy to convince us to believe that ffk is not telling the truth. Most of us come here to learn, especially me. Almost every day I visits this forum just to read comments, to learn and to laugh.
Since the topic came up, there is some thing that I discovered from some of the comments here that got me thinking. I discovered that the most Yoruba of the old were merchants. They did business with the hausas, malians etc. My question is why are most Yoruba of today not so adventurous like the Yoruba of the old?

mercyville:
lol
You have all gone hay-hay after your souls have been arrowed with bare and authentic hot facts..pele.

gwafaeziokwu:
This guy is cunny I swear. When you hold him on any part of argument he will switch to another narrative trying to confuse you.

Before now, you mentioned that there were no previous contacts between Hausa and Yoruba prior to the invasion of Ilorin by the Jihadists therefore the name Yoruba couldn't have come from the Hausa traders. Now someone has come to dispute that fact and you deny ever making such false claim.

Also the same person has told you that Islam existed in the north before the Jihad of Dan Fodio. That what happened in the early 1800s was simply a regime change. Which nullify your argument that Islam couldn't have been introduce to yorubas by the hausa because there wasn't any trace of Islam in hausa land prior to the Jihad.

The question therefore is,if there were earlier contacts through trade between Hausas and Yorubas what name did the Hausas refer that Yorubas with.

mercyville:
lol
You have all gone hay-hay after your souls have been arrowed with bare and authentic hot facts..pele.

LegendHero:
Let me reply you coz I always like to be clear in my approach.
FFK the deranged fellow said that the name Yoruba was not in existence until the 18th century and why he said that was that those period are the time the fulani jihad happened with Oyo.

I already opined countless times here document fact that give credence to the fact that the Yoruba name was first used by Bābā, Aḥmad ibn Aḥmad, 1556-1627. The scholar was a renowned islamic scholar that had a lot of writings about West Africa and their religion at that time and during his voyage to the Yoruba area, he coined that name as a description of those inhabitants. His manuscripts is part of the famous Timbuktu manuscripts.

Islam already existed in Yoruba land by 1655, infact a mosque was already built in Iwo in this period. Islam got to the Yoruba through the Malians and not the Hausa. Can you please point out where i said Islam did not exist in the North/Hausa prior to the Jihad?
I am a Muslim so I know to spread Jihad, they have to be a Muslim first in those days. Just like a person must be a Christian first before they can spread the gospel.

some of the Yoruba language are of arabic origin which is not even contained in the Hausa or Songhai language, there are lot of examples to support the fact and even the bro I spoke with earlier is from the North and he gave a statement that I may be right and he may be right. Well I have sources to back my claim if you want.

Your last question is somehow coz the word "Yoruba" was first used in 17th century, how them can you ask that question of what the Hausas called them at that time. What name did the European called all the tribes of Nigeria when they came? What name did the Yorubas called the Igbos when they first met? What name did the Igbos called the Hausa when they first met?

Makuos19:
Truth is bitter
http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

mercyville:
I tell you,truth is very,very bitter


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/142477-the-bitter-truth-about-the-igbo-by-femi-fani-kayode.html

Makuos19:
Dont digress...
http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

mercyville:
Fani Kayode....


Now, let us look at a few historical facts and one or two more Igbo ”firsts’ that many may not be familiar with to buttress the point. The Igbo people were the FIRST to carry out a failed coup on the night of Jan 15th, 1966 under the leadership of Major Emmanuel Ifejuna, Major Chukuma Kaduna Nzeogwu, Major Christian Anuforo, Capt. Ben Gbulie, Major Timothy Onwatuegwu, Major Donatus Okafor, Capt. Ude, Capt. Emmanuel Nwobosi, Captain Udeaja, Lt. Okafor, Lt. Okocha, Lt. Anyafulu, Lt. Okaka, Lt. EzedIgbo, Lt. Amunchenwa, Lt. Nwokedi, 2nd Lt. J.C. Ojukwu, 2nd Lt. Ngwuluka, 2nd Lt. Ejiofor, 2nd Lt. Egbikor, 2nd Lt. Igweze, 2nd Lt. Onyefuru, 2nd Lt. Nwokocha, 2nd Lt. Azubuogu and 2nd Lt. Nweke in which they drew FIRST blood and openly slaughtered and butchered leading politicians and army officers from EVERY single zone in the country except their own

MelesZenawi:
In case you missed it.

Femi fani rejects been referred to as yoruba..

Makuos19:
https://www.babalawoobanifa.com/2019/07/the-meanings-and-origin-of-word-yoruba.html?m=1

mercyville:
We will send Igbo warriors to go and crown him the King Of the Osus.He is now a bonafide Osu

LegendHero:
The topic has already been debunked coz the tag Yoruba already existed even before the Hausa/Fulani knew the road to Oyo kingdom.

The first mosque was built in 1655 even when the Hausa never even thought of migrating to Oyo.

The Malian traders brought Islam to the Yorubas which explains why our old people call Islam Esin Imale (religion of the Malians)

Shonghai scholar Ahmad Baba actually was the one that gave that name to the Oyo people to classify them.

So either FFK is mentally deranged or he is psychologically handicapped to even mention that the name originated from the Hausa/Fulanis.

Also if you check front page, you will see the prints from library of Congress that captured Yoruba name in the early 18th century. Fulani invaded Oyo toward the late 18th century or early 19th century. So where did FFK the crack head got his news from?

FrLukas:
I'm sure you think you've typed something reasonable.

I initially wanted to read through and not contribute a word to this thread cos it doesn't deserve any. You don't cast pearls and silver before swine as is shown here already. But I saw your post and I couldn't help myself.

First, your so-called "greatest take away" is based on falsehood probably colored by resentment and bias against the Yoruba people.

What you call greatest take away shows you can't even analyse and sift out nuggets from mud. Every group that answers the name "Yoruba" admit that they have one progenitor and they speak a local variant of the general Yoruba language, from Egba to Ondo. Were Yorubas always united? No. There was constant civil war amongst the various sub ethnic groups. But did they ever deny that they weren't from Ile-Ife or that Oduduwa was their progenitor? No.

Second, tagging a whole people deceitful or implying that ”many of them still are" shows your bias in full glare. I believe the words "deceitful" and "betrayer" which a particular tribe in Nigeria always use as a prop whenever they want to insult the Yorubas is as a result of the civil war.

My only response to them and probably to you also in case you fall in that same category is to look to your immediate past history. Don't look too far. Also, look at the present crime situation of Nigeria and make your judgement.

While no race is made up of only angels, I dare say those pointing fingers at others wouldn't do so of they have any iota of shame in them.
I won't say more than that.

For your information, in case you are not aware, the Yorubas are majorly a people of integrity and prosperity. They don't need to "become" one like you have so self-righteously put it.

I am a proud Yoruba and if you are proud of your ethnicity, put it out here and let's place it on a scale against Yoruba integrity and prosperity.

As for FFK, one doesn't exchange words with a loose cannon. Pretending to have sense isn't exactly the same as having sense. He and Reno Omokri are aberrations of the human genome. That's for sure. No apologies whatsoever.

maak400:
Well written. The level of hatred and bile the igbos exhibit towards Yoruba is out of this world! I have never seen a whole tribe display so much hatred towards another like the way igbos are doing. It’s really a shame.

gwafaeziokwu:
This was where you made the claim. Which contradict what ibrahimmrfish is saying. According to him Islam existed in kano as early as 1400, while the first mosque was built in Oyo in 1655. You denied this by saying the word yoruba existed before any Hausa trader set foot in Oyo empire. There fore you are denying in its entirety the very fact that Hausa muslims might have introduced their religion to the Yorubas through acculturation. You premised this assumption on the fact that the Jihadists invaded Oyo empire by the 18th century. There by confirming his assertion that the Jihad was about regime change and does not show that there were non existing Muslim population in the so called empire.


Let me quote the guy verbatim.

"Islam is already in Hausa land b4 1800 google name of kano kings,their name is Islamic since the 1400 and Borno were muslims since 1090 AD.The jihad of 1804 was a regime change.And there was contact between Yoruba and Hausa b4 Yoruba have any contact with Mali.So Islam likely find it way to Yoruba land through Hausa b4 the jihad of 1804,many Yoruba words are even borrow from Hausa so you can not just go on changing history.Hausa have a well written and history of traveling and trade that dated centuries b4 any ever heard of Yoruba,i never heard of Yoruba trade caravan crossing the Sahara.
The Songhai scholar Ahamad baba most have heard the name from Hausa people,cause some part of Hausa land was under the control of the Songhai empire for a while."

I am no authority on the Yoruba - Hausa historic account but judging by your intellectual summersaults, you prefer the name Yoruba coming from a Shonghai scholar than as a derisive word used by the Hausa to describe your people. The sentiments is well understood but don't project idealism in the place of facts.

AmuDimpka:
hmmmmm that is funny but the meaning of Igbo is from the word ndigboo meaning the people of ancient...but before I cantake you serious...Just name one town in the whole yoruba that has yoruba as prefix or suffix.

If you cant...can you shut the hell up and agree with FFK ...Fac him, he is yruba and he is in a better position to tell us....the meaning of Yruba and I agree with him , not your rants