no one having a true knowledge and understanding of Islam leaves the religion.

@Fatima(sis fatie); you are obviously an intelligent and independent minded young lady. but being born into a muslim family does not make one muslim. you have been presented with an oppressive image of Islam hence your angry backlash.
focus on Islam and not on muslims.
i was initially going to be silent but i hurt when i see a person move from truth into falsehood, so i will be brief.i respect your right to decide not to believe as a muslim, but i am quite positive that that decision is based on misinformation. sister do not be deceived by your intelligence, there is a God or else "Who wrote the Koran", have you seen any mistake in the Koran.
i hate to barge in unto people's lives but i will ask you only one favour that is that you wait sometime before making your decision and that during this period you try to seek knowledge about true islam from reliable sources. thereafter decide on the path to follow.
May God bless and have mercy on you.

Honestly only a true scholar with good knowledge of islam can be able to defend it easily . I would say some things but i am on mobile.

@Abdulsleek

I'm an atheist. Ex-muslim.
I left Islam because I do not agree with it. Some morals, some punishments.......

I have no belief in God because we have no evidence for him. Its that simple.

You said somewhere that Allah is wrong.

I agree with you. COMPLETELY WRONG. I was told to never put my morals or principles before Allah's own. I'm not sorry, my reason says different. I have no interest in worshipping an ignorant God( no offence).

This your questions will finally lead you 'astray'. Not necessarily into atheism but you will definitely leave the religion. Maybe become a deist if you still believe in God.

My point is, trying to find answers here is futile. You will get rationalizations. And rationalizations. And finally, a GODDAMN take it or leave it.

I left it.

I'm VERY busy. I stopped posting for a while now.
So, I may never reply.

Take care.

Avicenna: @Abdulsleek

I'm an atheist. Ex-muslim.
I left Islam because I do not agree with it. Some morals, some punishments.......

I have no belief in God because we have no evidence for him. Its that simple.

You said somewhere that Allah is wrong.

I agree with you. COMPLETELY WRONG. I was told to never put my morals or principles before Allah's own. I'm not sorry, my reason says different. I have no interest in worshipping an ignorant God( no offence).

This your questions will finally lead you 'astray'. Not necessarily into atheism but you will definitely leave the religion. Maybe become a deist if you still believe in God.

/My point is, trying to find answers here is futile. You will get rationalizations. And rationalizations. And finally, a GODDAMN take it or leave it.

I left it.

I am really starting to wonder myself. The failed answers that I hae been getting are quite depressing.

Avicenna: I'm VERY busy. I stopped posting for a while now.
So, I may never reply.

Take care.

I will soon stop posting here to.


The people here are now against me since they failed to address issues that I raised. Goodluck to them

Hmmmmm time shall tell.

and when I said Avicenna was also logicboy they said it isn't true now we are seeing the convergence of the deluded character.

Let me say a few things .

2. Like they said in present time but at the time of the prophet(s.a.w) Muslims lived peacefully with pagans and the likes so it is just the people of this days that do not do as the prophet(s.a.w) did and a lot of muslims dont know anything solid about Islam and how the prophet (s.a.w) lived yet they will start all kinds of problems and attach it to islam . Even at the time of the prophet he was treated badly and insulted but he still lived peacefully with pagans except when Allah (SWT) asked them to fight back.

3. A man is allowed to marry non muslims because he can preach to the woman and convert her but theres a good chance the woman will be opressed and possibly forced to convert. This is meant to protect women and no one is forcing them to marry their girls to muslims if thats how they feel.

4. The prophet said to say what is good or keep quiet . So making insultive jokes on someone or his faith is entertaining right ? Well in islam if you do that you just get sins and as long as the person does not forgive you then you just increase your sins. And it is islamic manners to talk and treat others nicely unlike the west whom even mock someone harass them even resulting in suicide.

@Abdulsleek:

by AbdulSleek(m): 12:33am

Avicenna: I'm VERY busy. I stopped posting for a while now.
So, I may never reply.

Take care.

avicenna is VERY busy to even tell his family and the non nigerian muslim girlfriend that he "has abandoned God and Religion [both of which these believe]". How do you atheists do it when you stop believing there is no God and do not ascribe that says God exists? Do you abandon more than The Two because it seems that each of the atheists I have read his or her post always abandon Honesty but pick up not telling the truth to your family and friends, instead? You all seem to drop telling your folks the truth instead picked up deceit, and all matters of deceptions. No one of you is bold enough to tell his or her "theist" family.

The one who is in adultery will not tell his/her partner s/he is a "chop and clean mouth" person. You people seem to be worshiping your parents because of their money from which they support you, your partner because of his/her goods and money you must need. But those people you cant tell worship God and adhere to religion. They are better than you because they are not keeping their relation with God as n belief and being a member of a religious group [never mind is the right religion or not] secret.

avicenna will accept any new information that his professor gives him. But he didnt know it until the professor tells him. And if he doesnt accept it he will flunk the class/course.
abdulsleek if he is a muslim will accept whatever his employer tells him. and if he refuses to accept he can be let go.



@Abdulsleek:

I will soon stop posting here to.

The people here are now against me since they failed to address issues that I raised. Goodluck to them

you know that you have no shame? you are the first man i know who has no good jealousy and willing to protect his female folks. At my age, i will not sleep with my wife when i believe that my children may even sense that we may be having sex.ual intercourse. I guarded my mother as a son should, even against my own father, though I knew they belong to each other. in reality i pick up the respect for my wife's honor from how my father treated my mother.

you on the other hand is easy to release you "muslim mother" to a man, any man who is kind by your definition, regardless of other things. At least thats what you said because your father was unkind to your mother. A muslim who is able to fast and didnt, able to pray, but not should not be proud of not doing them. you seem to be happy about your condition. Yet white brits are turning to Islam by the dozen, and you from nigeria got to your job in england to begin abandonment of Islam. You are the only nigerian in england and you are the only muslim with jobs along side non muslims?

Sweetnecta: @Abdulsleek: avicenna is VERY busy to even tell his family and the non nigerian muslim girlfriend that he "has abandoned God and Religion [both of which these believe]". How do you atheists do it when you stop believing there is no God and do not ascribe that says God exists? Do you abandon more than The Two because it seems that each of the atheists I have read his or her post always abandon Honesty but pick up not telling the truth to your family and friends, instead? You all seem to drop telling your folks the truth instead picked up deceit, and all matters of deceptions. No one of you is bold enough to tell his or her "theist" family.

The one who is in adultery will not tell his/her partner s/he is a "chop and clean mouth" person. You people seem to be worshiping your parents because of their money from which they support you, your partner because of his/her goods and money you must need. But those people you cant tell worship God and adhere to religion. They are better than you because they are not keeping their relation with God as n belief and being a member of a religious group [never mind is the right religion or not] secret.

avicenna will accept any new information that his professor gives him. But he didnt know it until the professor tells him. And if he doesnt accept it he will flunk the class/course.
abdulsleek if he is a muslim will accept whatever his employer tells him. and if he refuses to accept he can be let go.



@Abdulsleek: you know that you have no shame? you are the first man i know who has no good jealousy and willing to protect his female folks. At my age, i will not sleep with my wife when i believe that my children may even sense that we may be having sex.ual intercourse. I guarded my mother as a son should, even against my own father, though I knew they belong to each other. in reality i pick up the respect for my wife's honor from how my father treated my mother.

you on the other hand is easy to release you "muslim mother" to a man, any man who is kind by your definition, regardless of other things. At least thats what you said because your father was unkind to your mother. A muslim who is able to fast and didnt, able to pray, but not should not be proud of not doing them. you seem to be happy about your condition. Yet white brits are turning to Islam by the dozen, and you from nigeria got to your job in england to begin abandonment of Islam. You are the only nigerian in england and you are the only muslim with jobs along side non muslims?

u are such a joke. U are delusional, I feel sorry 4 those who leave around u.

^^^

I think the only person being pitied is you who is so engross in catching fun that Islam all of a sudden begin to look backwards .

^^ misogynist.

^^^

Really is that what you teacher called you when you bullied the girls in you class?

Yea right deal with it! She's gone and do quit with the self pity. alHAMdulilah there's no opportunity for 'honor killing' miso

ok change for the better and stop bullying women, but do join women support group, i think you need to understand that a woman gave birth to you so stop the hate!

Slavery can be traced back to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi (c. 1760 BC), which refers to it as an established institution.[3] Slavery is rare among hunter-gatherer populations as slavery depends on a system of social stratification. Slavery typically also requires a shortage of labor and a surplus of land to be viable.[4] David P. Forsythe wrote: "The fact remained that at the beginning of the nineteenth century an estimated three-quarters of all people alive were trapped in bondage against their will either in some form of slavery or serfdom."[5]

Slavery is no longer legal anywhere in the world.[6] Mauritania abolished it in law in 1981[7] and was the last country to do so – see Abolition of slavery timeline. However, the number of slaves today is higher than at any point in history,[8] remaining as high as 12 million[9] to 27 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

when people refer to today as modern slavery, we will think it is better of, how deluded we are? Slaves those days dont even live like we do today......... it is only wisdom you thank God for your life cos you are not any better than that guy on the street.

i think there is need for another thread where slavery and islam is discussed. from history, did islam really encourage slavery?

Paris-Love:
These images may look funny, but they underline the sad reality of the Muslim minds and world. The segregation between men and women in Islamic countries make young men to grow without any understanding of women and with no ability to interact with them as equals.
How can one expect of such men like StalWARTS to become normal human beings or husbands? Muslims grow up dysfunctional. Anyone marrying a Muslim is asking for trouble.

I wont like to use a negative word on you. but actually, i always think i need to learn more but when i see peoples comments/speak (like yours above) i tend to want to rejoice in my ignorance. first, how do you know that those guys are muslims since the dressing is a tradition. its just funny how the world makes effort to bash islam these days.
if we say its a mystery that man lusts after woman(do your study on that), and islam warns that man should lower his gaze, and woman should avoid show off-how does that relate to no understanding of women. non-muslims grow up functional by chasing after(having cannal knowledge of) woman as early as 12 yrs- so they know women very well, they grow up and want to marry a virgin. and we will want to ask, who values a woman more?

@abdulsleek, if its true that you just pick a name so as to give views that mock at Islam, you will only live with your furry for who ever gets deluded by you will be as lost as you are.
if 2 people have different views of anything (islam), it is up to you to learn so as to know which is the truth. I pray for your guidiance as i leave you in your predicament.

[quote
author=Avicenna]@Abdulsleek

I'm an atheist. Ex-muslim.
I left Islam because I do not agree with it. Some morals, some
punishments.......

I have no belief in God because we have no evidence for him. Its that
simple.

You said somewhere that Allah is wrong.

I agree with you. COMPLETELY WRONG. I was told to never put my morals
or principles before Allah's own. I'm not sorry, my reason says
different. I have no interest in worshipping an ignorant God( no
offence).

This your questions will finally lead you 'astray'. Not necessarily into
atheism but you will definitely leave the religion. Maybe become a
deist if you still believe in God.

My point is, trying to find answers here is futile. You will get
rationalizations. And rationalizations. And finally, a GODDAMN take it
or leave it.

I left it.[/quote]

Who exactly is doing the rationalizing here.
The basis of faith in Islam is the Koran:
We believe the form and content of the Koran could not have been
invented by a human 1400 years ago.
We believe in the messenger that was sent with the Koran, and we try to
follow his example to the best of our knowledge and ability.
you sir and other atheists are the ones who rationalize their disbelief.
Some people do not believe that the HIV virus causes illness, some
people do not believe in intra nuclear sub atomic particles, in spite of
proof. So each man is free to choose whatever his intellect will allow
him to believe. There is no take it or leave it here, but I see you chose
to leave it. And so what do we say to those who leave it to follow their
own personal whims, after having shown them proof: GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD
RUBBISH! It’s that simple, really.

vedaxcool: and when I said Avicenna was also logicboy they said it isn't true now we are seeing the convergence of the deluded character.

no vedaxcool, avicenna is not logicboy.
logicboy,cheers01,logicboy03, abdulsleek etc. is the most sincere and probably most intelligent of the atheists. see his posts as "logicboy" when he was new to nairaland, then he was completely honest, and never claimed to be a muslim. he was going out with a muslim arab lady whose family objected to the association. unfortunately for him, Islam places the muslim community above the individual, muslim or non muslim.

Thanks for quoting me. It's seems mac deemed it fit to hide my post. Although you could have added the images so others can get the picture clearer [quote author=ghazzal]
I wont like to use a negative word on you

don't please. That would break my heart. [quote] i always think i need to learn more but when i see peoples comments/speak (like yours above) i tend to want to rejoice in my ignorance.

we'll have a lot to learn. We should also keep an open mind while at it.

first, how do you know that those guys are muslims since the dressing is a tradition. its justfunny how the world makes effort to bash islam these days.

nobody is trying to bash your religion. It's already bashing itself. Most of the time islam is in the news it's not a good news. Take for example the teen activist that was shot by muslims for campaigning for female education. Here's the link to the original story https://www.nairaland.com/1072928/muslims-funny-when you can find out more. Google is your friend.

if we say its a mystery that man lusts after woman(do your study on that), and islam warns that man should lower his gaze, and woman should avoid show off-how does that relate to nounderstanding of women.

how does it not? Is it every time a man looks after a woman the he lusts after her? Well, that maybe the case for muslim men.

non-muslims grow up functional by chasing after(having cannal knowledge of) woman as early as 12 yrs- so theyknow women very well,

if you don't have carnal mind there's no way you would think every relationship between male and female involves sex. I don't even know why you think having carnal knowledge of a 12yr old child(you called a 12yr old woman!) Is wrong given that your own prophet did the same thing with a much younger child at 9yrs old. Is it when it's termed 'marriage' that it's ok? [quote] they grow up and want to marry a virgin. and we will want to ask, who values a woman more? [quote] A woman is covered from head to toe just to hide her ‘awra,’ which is the Islamic vocabulary for the part of body that arouses sexual desire in a man, or the ‘shame’ of her. Thus, sexual organs are shameful parts of a body! It is a great insult to a woman to depict her entire body as shameful. It is also a great insult to
all men. Why? Because, this gives the impression that men are like beasts that are on the street, just on the lookout there for women to prowl on for sex. This is completely nonsense. Tell me mister is that your definition fo valuing women?

snubish: no one having a true knowledge and understanding of Islam leaves the religion.

@Fatima(sis fatie); you are obviously an intelligent and independent minded young lady. but being born into a muslim family does not make one muslim. you have been presented with an oppressive image of Islam hence your angry backlash.
focus on Islam and not on muslims.
i was initially going to be silent but i hurt when i see a person move from truth into falsehood, so i will be brief.i respect your right to decide not to believe as a muslim, but i am quite positive that that decision is based on misinformation. sister do not be deceived by your intelligence, there is a God or else "Who wrote the Koran", have you seen any mistake in the Koran.
i hate to barge in unto people's lives but i will ask you only one favour that is that you wait sometime before making your decision and that during this period you try to seek knowledge about true islam from reliable sources. thereafter decide on the path to follow.
May God bless and have mercy on you.

I have seen mistakes in the kuran. Surah 86:6-7 is a lie! ' [16:15] is also not true. 20:87 and 20:95 are also fat lies!!!!. history recorded something else. And beside, most of the saying of the kuran where copy from per-Islamic Arab text

^ shala, or wotever your name is. frankly, the format of this your post is not encouraging. . . . which language is this? seeing this post, i wouldn't advise you to read a Koran. stick to watching cartoon network!

snubish: ^ shala, or wotever your name is. frankly, the format of this your post is not encouraging. . . . which language is this? seeing this post, i wouldn't advise you to read a Koran. stick to watching cartoon network!

it is English ok. It should be qur'an and not karan. Are you satisfy?

shala:
I have seen mistakes in the kuran. Surah 86:6-7 is a lie! ' [16:15] is also not true. 20:87 and 20:95 are also fat lies!!!!. history recorded something else. And beside, most of the saying of the kuran where copy from per-Islamic Arab text

which history and recorded by who? what is the reference used? you need to wake up from your slumber.

go to science and ask what is the function of mountains......... pls seek knowledge. every sane mind should love to learn i suppose. at least google it before saying it is a lie it will show your objectivity. but now, its clear you are not objective.

dont take a part of the book and reject even a minute part if you don't want to be a kaafir

AbdulSleek: Thank you for your reply.

I agree with many parts but I will adress the small part that I dont agree with soon

Ever wondered why we act the way we do? What determines our actions and behaviors? What tells us to react in a certain way? It is the belief. Belief is faith. It is the system that dictates our practices, values, behaviors and attitude. It is the belief that determines our perspectives towards different things and situations in life. Belief is the strongest reality of who we are. It is our belief that defines us, that differentiates us from others and resonates in one’s own self to guide us in the choices of right and wrong.

The solution to a lot of problems of humans lie in the belief system. A lot of answers to our queries and curiosities lie in the belief system. It is this belief systems that creates religions that separate us- the Muslims, from the other religions. It is our belief that tells us how the world came into being, how the humans were created, why the humans were created, how humans were divided into different religions and sects, how to worship God and what lies outside the confines of our belief system that can cause harm to our faith. The birth, life, death and everything that happens in between is the teaching of our belief. Even what happens after death and why does it happen also comes from the belief. It is the belief that tells us who has the supremacy over all and who is the Creator of us all, who created all these creations, the universe, the earth and the seven skies.

A general explanation of belief is a strong emotion that brings certainty. When you have strong certainty about certain ideas, people, or perspectives, it forms a belief. Beliefs can be positive or can negative as well. Beliefs can be internal i.e. about one’s own self and can be external, i.e. about others. Belief is also, in most the contexts, taken as the faith. The word is associated with the religious relevance of it. It is the belief system that determines our choices in life or, contrarily, it is our choices in life that reflect our belief system. It is due to this reason, people from different faiths, religions and belief system behave differently and have different views, ideas, opinions, choices and attitudes.

Belief is different from judgment. It is different from knowledge. Knowledge comes from some authentic verifiable source. Judgment is a formed opinion. Belief, on the other hand, are the thoughts, perspectives and attitudes that are built unconsciously and turn us into who we are. Most importantly, knowledge is what has been confirmed and verified, whereas people from certain beliefs do not seek for verification or validation. If it is your belief, it has to be accepted by the peers without any kind of evidences, proofs or logics.

Belief systems cannot always be manifested. This means that from the general attitudes, behaviors and habit, the belief systems cannot be inferred or judged. Belief systems are so deep rooted, so unconsciously developed and expressed that sometimes even the person himself or herself gets confused but what his or her belief system is. However, it is the forms of expression, the attitude the behavior that allow a certain degree of manifestation in this whole scenario. Within certain religions, different belief systems form distinct sects. Some of the commonly found sects in our context include Sunni, Shiah, Christians and many more. Again, it is the difference of actions, practices and attitudes that reflect this difference of beliefs.

The beliefs of a person are the mental representation of the world around him or her. The reason why it is important to identify, understand and explore the belief systems is because it is one of the foundations in building societies and civilizations. When a group of people together share the same belief system, it gives to a society and then this group of people keeps multiplying and hence the societies and sects continue to have the same belief system across all generations. People or groups or societies from different beliefs can interact with another with a significant level of tolerance and knowledge of the beliefs of the other.

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LagosShia:
Please I would advice you watch these short videos on muslim-christian marriages:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=zMuTyDED81c

http://m.youtube.com/
watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=4fvdk_0GN_Y

I commend you for ur comments but these people will only keep on stalling on the pretext of intolerance and injustice,
1:My religion is Islam and I only answer to ALLAH,so I don't care what the non Muslims thinks of me
2:If I have a daughter and I pray I have them,I will not allow them to marry a non Muslim.And the same applies to the male.My brother is having this issue,he wants to marry a Christian girl but my parents are warning him not to dare do it and in the end,if he does,they will still give their blessings but they would prefer Muslims for Muslims and Non Muslims to Non Muslims
3:If truly Christians are Tolerant,then Islamophobic attacks would not have Increased more than 200% in recent yrs,they claim they don't want the Muslims,that we will Destroy their communities but their Governments have been fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda more than 20yrs,still nothing to show for it
4:To the OP,if you like,let her marry Non Muslim or not,its both ur choice and hers and you are not going to answer to us-other Muslims.
5:To those that will call me terrorist or a liar(that I'm using Taqqiya),either you write it to me or just think in your heart,it's your problem, people have called me terrorist and liar and all sorts of name uncountable times,those words don't hurt anymore and I'm used to them.
6:To the Muslims who are having a shaking stance about their belief,may ALLAH out a holding stance on your Deen especially the OP

Jesus never claimed to be prophet and God didn't call him one in the Bible. It was due to people's ignorance in the bible. Read John 8 to know who Jesus Christ is?

Salaamu'aleikum brother,
Since you are in UK, try to contact the likes of Muhammad Hijab, S. A. L. A. M team e.t.c.
They are always more than willing on matters of Inter-religious debates.