omenka:
They were suggestions. Bye.

seunmsg:


The south west has never demanded that APC should zone its presidential ticket to the region. Our position is very clear; the two leading political parties should zone their presidential tickets to the south.

Igbos on the other hand are the ones insisting that APC must zone its ticket to the south east or else, they will support a northern candidate on PDP platform.

2023 presidency belongs to the south and every zone have equal right to present candidates for the office.

0monnak0da:

Never is such a long time.
The primary place where you can make any change in this life is in your own mind. How do we optimize our diversity?
We do not really talk to each other except to quarrel and threaten when we should be dialoguing and negotiating
I think if Nigeria is to amount to anything we must first understand ourselves.
The Eboes are quite easy to understand. Historically they never evolved any form of political organization or administration beyond the clan level . So historically they are not prepared for modern statehood .
I agree with them in the sense that Nigeria cannot go on as it is and so to that extent the presidency is not the real issue rather the issue is what do we have in common as "Nigerians" if we cannot find that commonality then they are right that we must break up.
We all have to make compromises. There are many in the core north" who act as if they won the Biafra war and so can impose their will on the rest.
That may work with 1 or 2 million not 50 million people. We must have a federal structure with resource control similar to what happened in the 60s if not we will never progress no matter who is president.

The Eboes are bitter about the civil war and other Nigerians have their different issues with them. The way I see it we have to find a way of compromising and reconciling but this must be based on truth and justice. Sadly many Eboe politicians and opinion leaders are very dishonest but this is the same in the North. I am biassed but of these 3 groups the Yorubas are the ones that do not seek to dominate anyone
The Eboes as a group are politically immature and so do not think strategically before acting . The contemporary Eboe world view is that they lost the Biafra war because of the Yoruba and this clouds their objectivity.
On the issue of presidency there was no reason for Eboes to vote Bashir Tofa who even lost in his home state of Kano .They did it out of hatred for Yorubas and then they tell themselves Yoruba hate them. A kind of Stockholm syndrome
The reason the SW want one Nigeria is very different from that of the North. The North does not think in terms of contributing but in terms of receiving with a strong sense of entitlement. I am sorry to say this but The north as it is today is a liability to the country. This can change in 20 years if education for girls particularly is prioritized and child marriage stopped.

The core north as you call it think very strategically but I am sorry to say it is the wrong strategy. It is not a strategy of human development but rather one of Islamism( i.e political Islam) . There is no country in the world where Islam (or Christianity) has brought economic development. The core north has to accept that Sharia has to go. If that does not happen then the country must break sooner or later. We have Islam in the SW but it is not the same as Islamism.
There are many in the North who like to kid themselves that it is just a matter of time before they achieve their Islamist aspiration

One thing we fail to realize is the extent to which our existence as a nation depends on European powers and the US. All we need to do is look at Syria,Libya and so on.
It will not take these powers 1 year to break Nigeria up into warring ministates while they drain our meagre resources
Hating each other therefore as attractive as it is is no solution. We must compromise,dialog and AGREE on a Nigeria by consensus.
I am in favour of dialoging with Eboes but not allowing them to rewrite history

0monnak0da:

The issue here is the claim that in 1999 presidency was zoned to the SW and the SE supported it and so now the SW should reciprocate and allow the SE to get the candidacies of both APC and PDP in 2023

Are we in agreement that this is UNTRUE
Ekwueme was entitled to contest and no one protested then

Now some are saying if SE are not given both tickets the sky will fall
We only mention this to prove that it was not zoned to the SW as many FALSELY claim.
Yes I agree that the APC presidency should be open to contest in the South but some people are saying it must be the SE only because the presidency was zoned to SW in 1999, a lie.
please can you name the person who said APC should "ZONE" presidency to SW. I am sorry but that claim is false and dishonest
I fully support a contest in APC and PDP among the ENTIRE south

seunmsg:


The south west has never demanded that APC should zone its presidential ticket to the region. Our position is very clear; the two leading political parties should zone their presidential tickets to the south.

Igbos on the other hand are the ones insisting that APC must zone its ticket to the south east or else, they will support a northern candidate on PDP platform.

2023 presidency belongs to the south and every zone have equal right to present candidates for the office.

izombie:
yes. If it should be about zoning then whenever it comes to the south it should automatically go to south east because the south west has already done 8 years when it was zoned to the south. If ekwueme had won obj in 99 i will be first in line in support of south west now.
All the same, i am all for restructuring this country or we break up. Best thing for a better nigeria and best thing for nigerians.

izombie:
[b] igbos [/b]never said the presidency was zoned to the south west in 99 but that the yorubas have done their 8 years from 1999 to 2007 and so it should be the time of igbos in 2023.

DMerciful:
Zoning the presidency to North automatically goes to NW. Zoning to South goes to SW! So where is the equity when we know that these two regions have advantage in religious alliance (Islam).

izombie:

We have heard the likes of fashola say that apc and buhari will zone the preaidency to the south west in 2023 if you people support buhari in .

0monnak0da:
You contradict yourself when you say "GBAM!!".
Actually you care " That it is NOT a Yoruba". That is you mission in life.
You voted against Abiola for Tofa so this attitude of if "I cant have the baby divide it in two" , if we can't be president then let the North rule is not "consequential" on anything recent as you like to pretend.

IT IS AN ANCIENT HATRED

Some of us were around during the June 12 elections.

The truth is that 6 months to the election no one had heard the name Bashir Tofa in much of the south

Even today no one can say anything about him apart from the fact that he was a candidate and yet he swept the votes in he SE .

How do we explain that

The Eboes have always had the same attitude so please do not pretend that it is a new phenomenon

seunmsg:


Jonathan defeated Buhari in 2011. Igbos are very dominant in PDP and they can push seriously for the ticket of the party.

In politics, you plan ahead and strategies to get what you want. Tinubu invested heavily in APC since 2013. He won’t give up what he has laboured for simply because of equity. Equity as far as I’m concerned is benefiting from ones hard work.

DMerciful:
How do you achieve Igbo presidency with Yorubas in the ticket? Why can't 1999 be repeated for SE for the sake of equity and equal participation?

Solsix:

I don't have your time. The only people clamoring for igbo president are the politicians of igbo extraction and thier clonies. What an average igbo man wants is a working Nigeria so that his business will thrive.

0monnak0da:
Why do I want to achieve that ? Why is that a necessary goal for other Nigerians at this time?
I need persuading I think we had a similar debate in the north this time (last election}North West versus North East approached in the spirit of democracy once again the NW triumphed.
They are ethnically different just like SW and SE though similar in religion but the NW triumphed AGAIN no one is talking about equal participation and it is not possible to participate equally in occupying the office of president. Not all members of FIFA can host the World Cup but some have hosted twice Even if that were to be over what time span and with what methodology do we measure that.? That can only be achieved by constitutional enactment not the permutations of party politics.
Again why not demand that constitutional change if it is so important? Rotation is North South not micro rotation. If it was to be micro then that must start now you cannot backdate it and there must be acknowledgment that either Ekwueme was wrong to contest. If not then we must contest for ever

What if Ekwueme had won and served 2 terms . Would the SE have sat back and allowed SW go unopposed after the North might have done 8 years?

DMerciful:
In Nigeria, the are 6 geopolitical regions and not 2. North and South are not regions unless you want us to go back to the Northern and Southern protectorates. When people speak about North and South, they are trying to give undue advantage to NW and SW due to their seeming voting population, and most especially their common Islamic religion that makes alignment btw them easy. If zoning will sideline some region then better to forgo it. Igbos is more about restructuring and you know it

dammiecool:

Y did ekwueme contested d ticket with obj in 99 n 2003 if it was zoned to yoruba to compensate them.

DMerciful:
Omenka Quotasystem
How come you guys are calm to the Ops rude comments? Because he is against Igbos? No wonder the common hatred for Igbos is what unites Nigerians! You repeatedly tried to make him understand your intent yet his brash reply did not ginger you two to give him a serious response. Yeye dey smell

omenka:
When you're done crying, take a glass of water and sleep. You will be alright lad.

Talk anyhow, you go chop ban add untop. Better check your emotions.

DMerciful:
How do you achieve Igbo presidency with Yorubas in the ticket?

Why can't 1999 be repeated for SE for the sake of equity and equal participation?

Why should the North suddenly be interested in supporting the SE in its political quest or even be concerned about it? To the point of even making power concessions in their interest like you're begging for?

What support has the SE given the North to even expect such support? Insults? Constant antagonism? Hatred and blackmail against their much loved PMB? 5% protest block votes against their favorite candidate?

I mean what really? Do you now see how you people play politics like thoughtless toddlers? I hope you now get the picture.

As to your first question, you need to outplay Yorubas by mending fences and building better alliances or else just like you fear, an Igbo man will continue to be beaten silly by any Yoruba man (or 12 year old kid) on the same ticket in any national election in this country for the next 100 years.

DMerciful:
If only you had told that guy same thing when he gave you a bloodied nose I would have known you aren't a coward. You were supporting him yet he gave you a bloodied nose only for you to transfer the aggression to me

QuotaSystem:


Why should the North suddenly be interested in supporting the SE in its political quest or even be concerned about it? To the point of even making power concessions in their interest?

What support has the SE given the North to even expect such support? Insults? Constant antagonism? Hatred and blackmail against their much loved PMB? 5% protest block votes against their favorite candidate?

I mean what really?

As to your first question, you need to outplay Yorubas by mending fences and building better alliances or else just like you fear, an Igbo man will continue to be beaten silly by any Yoruba man on the same ticket (or 12 year old kid) in any national election in this country for the next 100 years.

QuotaSystem:


Why should the North suddenly be interested in supporting the SE in its political quest or even be concerned about it? To the point of even making power concessions in their interest?

What support has the SE given the North to even expect such support? Insults? Constant antagonism? Hatred and blackmail against their much loved PMB? 5% protest block votes against their favorite candidate?

I mean what really?

As to your first question, you need to outplay Yorubas by mending fences and building better alliances or else just like you fear, an Igbo man will continue to be beaten silly by any Yoruba man on the same ticket (or 12 year old kid) in any national election in this country for the next 100 years.

0monnak0da:


https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

0monnak0da:


https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

DMerciful:
Was Abiola not insensitive to have had a Muslim_muslim ticket and you expect the Igbos that are Christians to support him?

DMerciful:
Yorubas don't trust or like Igbos. The North does not like or trust them yet these two groups insist on one Nigeria the most. But the handwriting is on the wall and many people know it. The reason Biafra agitation has not gained appreciable traction is because the Igbo politicians believe they have a chance after Bubu . If this is thwarted, they will be fully calibrated that there is no point being in a place where you're not wanted! CIA prediction must come to pass or they will make it come to pass, just a matter of time. Emir Sanusi already said the modern Igbo man will fight his war and earn an honourable peace like the Germans did but I bet you, the Igbos will not loose a war twice!

DMerciful:
Yorubas don't trust or like Igbos. The North does not like or trust them yet these two groups insist on one Nigeria the most. But the handwriting is on the wall and many people know it. The reason Biafra agitation has not gained appreciable traction is because the Igbo politicians believe they have a chance after Bubu . If this is thwarted, they will be fully calibrated that there is no point being in a place where you're not wanted! CIA prediction must come to pass or they will make it come to pass, just a matter of time. Emir Sanusi already said the modern Igbo man will fight his war and earn an honourable peace like the Germans did but I bet you, the Igbos will not loose a war twice!

0monnak0da:

I think you are being melodramatic.

War?? Why because of presidency?

And if there was presidency no war??
Is it really worth it?
Have you seen what war looks like?
People talk of war as if it is the Big Brother House

DMerciful:
It's not about presidency but a clear message that we will keep marginalizing you. A clear message that we will ensure you never become number 1 in the nearest future! A message of collective dislike ! So what's the point on being where you're not wanted?

Bragalane:
Your father can wail about Igbo threads but he is excited when foolish Igbos open countless thread on Lagos Osun Tinubu Buhari etc